is kevin martin trade bait

[tyrant]

he's playing too well to not be considered in a small pacakage. to bring in that big man we've needed so badly. im all for keeping kevin martin. i believe bibby and artest play great with martin. its just the horrible play of our big men and this rediculous coach that has us looking like a junior college. bibby and artest have their nights when they struggle. but the burden shouldnt be on their shoulders, especially when we get outrebounded in 15 of 18 games and have no one that can play with their back towards the basket.
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forget about sentiment, would it be a good business decision to trade martin/miller or martin/whoever to get a big man?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

..better be for a young stud or we've just mortgaged our future.

 

[nbrans]

Uh, no.

 

[Ryle]

Only problem I'm having with Kevin is that he seems to have taken Bibby's approach in playing defense. Meaning, he just doesn't seem to care as long as he is scoring as his D has been bad in the last month or two.

 

[Jechtsphere]

At this point Martin is the last guy you think about trading.

Trade him for what big man? There aren't any that would make trading Martin worth while.

We traded away young guys before and it didn't turn out for the better. (Wallace)

 

[fnordius]

At this point Martin is the last guy you think about trading.

Trade him for what big man? There aren't any that would make trading Martin worth while.

Straight across for David Lee would work, but wouldn't solve our deeper roster/payroll problems. And Geoff and Isiah would probably both be worried about the risk of being killed by angry mobs.

Nobody trades away promising young bigs, so I see no point in thinking about it.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Wallace wasn't traded he was left unprotected during the expansion draft (which is even stupider than trading him).

But I wouldn't trade Martin unless I was getting something huge in return. Chances of him being traded are slim to none, but he still aint untouchable.

 

[rhythmless]

wallace was NOT traded; he was left unprotected during the bobcats expansion, and they chose him. we were stacked at the time, and he was used little. no one wnated to see him go, and the organization was very high on his potential.

 

[rhythmless]

damn, dime droppers faster

 

[Dime Dropper]

Of course I am

 

[rhythmless]

kevin martin is our greatest trade piece, but what would you get for him that you would actually go for? hes coveted by fans way too much to give up. what would you give him for? its a little silly to trade away a young emerging star for another young emerging star when you want to build towards something. specially if you want a big, youd be trading 80 on the dollar just to have the other team consider trading away a big man with any sort of potential or skill.

 

[tyrant]

Rhythmless: kevin martin is our greatest trade piece, but what would you get for him that you would actually go for? hes coveted by fans way too much to give up. what would you give him for? its a little silly to trade away a young emerging star for another young emerging star when you want to build towards something. specially if you want a big, youd be trading 80 on the dollar just to have the other team consider trading away a big man with any sort of potential or skill.

nice post. i see what you mean about trading 1 emerging star for another. but when they play different positions it makes a world of difference. especially since we already have fire power on the wing WITHOUT martin. if paired with the right big man..bibby and artest would have field days. and if price got a few more minutes he could turn into a good backup. i'm kinda back and fourth with cisco. he just has a horrible shot selection. but with time he can also be a resemblence of doug christie. i dont see him being better than that.​

 

[rhythmless]

youre right, a different position (say pf) would do wonders for our team. however, to get a big with skills equating what youre giving up, there needs to be a catch, like unproven, all potential, headcase, etc. quality bigs just dont get traded dollar for dollar. if you look at all the star bigs without a catch, theyre at their team through FA or draft.

if garcia could end up like doug christie, he would surpass my expectations. doug christies bball iq was off the charts compared to garcia. he was our primary ballhandler, allowing bibby to be the scorer that he is. right now, all i see from garcia is potential for shooting and ball handling. i havent seen him really be a good passer when he is in the game. passing takes court vision, and a good bit of patience, and i dont see it in him right now.

in regards of martin, what you can get, you dont want, and what you want, you aint gettin.

 

[sidney]

Only way trading Kevin makes sense is if we go into serious "win now" mode. That means we trade him in a package for a guy like KG. We try to contend for 2-3 years with Mike, Ron, and KG and Minny goes into young rebuild mode.

Unless we are building an instant contender, Martin is the only guy we don't trade.

 

[rhythmless]

i feel the same way sidney. if you want contender now, u give up your kids and expirings for stars in their prime with fat contracts.

if you want to build for the future, you trade away everyone else for picks and kids.

 

[Padrino]

every player on the kings is trade bait if it brings back pieces that will aid in rebuilding with the future in mind. that said, it is unlikely that you'd be able to get a younger and more productive scorer than martin in a trade, so unless he was a part of a multi-player trade that brought the kings a superstud big man, then i don't anticipate he'll be moved.

 

[CaminoChaos]

At this point Martin is the last guy you think about trading.

Trade him for what big man? There aren't any that would make trading Martin worth while.

We traded away young guys before and it didn't turn out for the better. (Wallace)

Wallace wasn't traded. He was taken in the expantion draft.

 

[Jechtsphere]

It's been corrected twice before, I was wrong, I get it lol.

 

[gunks]

Hypothetical situation:

Say trading Martin was the only way to get rid of KT (in a package)...Would you do it?

 

[Warhawk]

Hypothetical situation:

Say trading Martin was the only way to get rid of KT (in a package)...Would you do it?

In return for what? Garnett? Kobe? Starbury? Candiman? There is no way to answer your question as-is.

 

[Bricklayer]

Martin isn't trade bait for anything less than KG pretty much. That's not because a scoring guard is all that and a bag of chips, but because he is a good young starter on a rebuilding team. He should be the last piece you move UNLESS its a move to get a KG type player (of which there is only one) to try to win now.

 

[tyrant]

i'd let martin go for kg, brand, j. oneal, amare, dwight howard, ben wallace. i think duncan, yao and dirk are the only three big men in the league who are 100% untouchable

 

[Troy]

Only way trading Kevin makes sense is if we go into serious "win now" mode. That means we trade him in a package for a guy like KG. We try to contend for 2-3 years with Mike, Ron, and KG and Minny goes into young rebuild mode.

Unless we are building an instant contender, Martin is the only guy we don't trade.

The only bigs I'd be interested in by trading away our future with KMart is:

KG or the new stud on the block DH (Dwight Howard).

 

[thedofd]

It would be interesting to know whether the Kings received any offers from KMart at trade deadline. The only way I could see them trading him would be as part of a package for a very good, young center/power forward, someone along the lines of Chandler or Okafor (then again, those guys probably aren't available).

For the Kings to make major strides, they have to find someone who they can pencil in for 12 rebounds and half a dozen changed shots (as opposed to blocked shots) a game.

 

[rhythmless]

id consider amare and dwight as untouchable as the other bigs mentioned. on the untouchable bigs, id put dwight at the top. there isnt anything that anyone could give to the magic for DH

 

[rhythmless]

Hypothetical situation:

Say trading Martin was the only way to get rid of KT (in a package)...Would you do it?

taking your question without any other assumptions, i say no. kevin martin is better than kt is bad.

 

[thedofd]

i believe bibby and artest play great with martin. its just the horrible play of our big men and this rediculous coach that has us looking like a junior college.

I think that KMart and Miller have a nice thing going, sort of like Peja and Vlade did. Some of KMart's most eye-opening plays come off Miller's set-ups.

 

[thedofd]

id consider amare and dwight as untouchable as the other bigs mentioned. on the untouchable bigs, id put dwight at the top. there isnt anything that anyone could give to the magic for DH

I agree, which is why I didn't mention them. Chandler has played so well lately that he's probably untouchable; with he and Paul, the Hornets are set up for success. Okafor may be the most readily available guy that fills a couple of the Kings' holes, if only because the Bobcats have so many other areas of need.

 

[Troy]

i'd let martin go for kg, brand, j. oneal, amare, dwight howard, ben wallace. i think duncan, yao and dirk are the only three big men in the league who are 100% untouchable

Yeah those pesky 3 big Texas franchise players!

Just about anyone is tradeable for the right price, some there are just so good you cannot get any better at the same position like Lebron and Kobie.

 

[ParniValjak]

Martin isn't trade bait for anything less than KG pretty much. That's not because a scoring guard is all that and a bag of chips, but because he is a good young starter on a rebuilding team. He should be the last piece you move UNLESS its a move to get a KG type player (of which there is only one) to try to win now.

I still wouldn't move him for a KG because that would mean another quick fix and a window of opportunity of maybe two years to get the championship. Thats just too much of a risk to go for a quick fix. Certainly with the type of roster we have with all the mismatched pieces.

The only way I would trade Martin is for a young talented tall, but Martin alone wouldn't be anywhere near enough to get someone like Bosh or Howard both of whom are untouchable of course.