Is it wise to not extend Garcia?

If we were to extend Garcia right now to a MLE sized deal, he would become a Poison Pill Provision contract. This will make him very difficult to trade, as his current salary would count as an outgoing for us, but his incoming salary to another team would be the average of this year and all the years of his extension, so if we extended him to 5 years at the MLE it would mean his contract would count as about 6 million incoming to any team that was to trade for him.

As it stands now, we are in a position to be able to put together a nice package in a trade during the season and up to the deadline. We have 2 first round picks, Bobby's expiring and Mikki's partially gauranteed deal next year as well as Brad's large contract who will be an expiring next year. Youth, exprings, and picks have been the formula the last few years in order to aquire a star/superstar type player, and of our youth, Garcia is probably the most expendable of our young guys who will actually have value to another team. However, as a PPP contract, using Garcia as any kind of sweetner in a deal would become substantially more difficult, and even if it could be worked out, would result in us having to take back more salary, and with our eyes still focused on the 2010 offseason, there's a chance that something like that could muck up a deal that otherwise would bring some real talent back.

I would much rather keep our options open this season, with so much change going on right now in the organization there's no reason to have our hands tied at all for a projected 6th man/borderline starter. If at the end of the season it turns out that Garcia has improved significantly and is exactly what we are looking for long term, he's still a RFA so there is little chance of actually losing him. I just think that this organization should be focused on aquiring a star/superstar player in order to get back into contention, and there's no reason at all to hurt our chances at someone like that because it might help get a rolepayer on a better contract.
 
If we were to extend Garcia right now to a MLE sized deal, he would become a Poison Pill Provision contract. This will make him very difficult to trade...

If we were to extend Garcia right now, it would not be with the intention of trading him. If a deal opened up where we needed to include a SF with reasonably equivalent salary/talent as Garcia, we'd send off Salmons.
 
If we were to extend Garcia right now, it would not be with the intention of trading him. If a deal opened up where we needed to include a SF with reasonably equivalent salary/talent as Garcia, we'd send off Salmons.
That's kinda my point. If you extend Garcia, you take the option of trading him off the table. If a deal was to open up, the other team may really like Garcia and have no interest at all in Salmons, or Salmons' contract is too large for salaries to work, so why limit ourselves.

I personally don't think Garcia is going to blow up next year an earn himself a significantly larger contract than he would sign right now, so I would rather have the flexibility to trade anyone on the roster than commit yet another long term MLE deal to a roleplayer on a team that has arguably yet to aquire a star, especially for roleplayer who plays the easiest position there is to fill. I'd rather see him play out this season, trade him if a trade arises that helps the team, and if not, re-evaluate where the team is next offseason, see how Donte Greene has progressed and who we get in the draft, then determine his value to us. A lot can change in a year. Yes, this way you do risk possibly getting him at a bargain, but risk/reward wise I'd take my chances by having him available should a situation present itself that could bring us an impact type player.
 
?????? I've had three people read this, trying to figure out WTF it means, and no luck yet.

MLE is a stretch. He has ??? all over his D, and his offensive IQ is not all its made out to be. His three, is the best of all member of the kings. MLE, i agree, but not until he deserves it. Who is Garcia anyways? It sometimes pays to be proficient in English. LPGA is bringing it up, and Garcia should too. He could be on his way to becoming the next michael jordan, but the media wouldn't know it untill its too late, and probably the kings too, he hasn't had the expose it takes to become MJ or LBJ. It's a gamble to "lock" players up who dont bring intangibles like media exposure. And it takes alot more than what Garcia has had to offer. Beno Udrih had a story that people liked and he played well enough to impress the kings, and the NBA for that matter. Garcia hasn't left that kind of impression on anyone. He hit a few game winners, but his overall game winning percentage isn't that great.
 
The general point would be we really don't WANT him to prove himself. He's already shown he can be a 15ppg type starter, and an effective top bencher. Which basically translates to MLE. And we already know that. The last thing you would want is him to go off and have a big season and then end up having to pay him $8 mil or something when you could have gotten him at $5 mil today.

Of course the holdup could be on his side, thinking the same wya that he already has the MLE in the bag and so why sign now when maybe you get some minutes and can up your value.
Spot on!

Garcia is worth eveyr cent of the MLE and if we can extend him to that sort of contract then we should do it. He has proven to be worth that money. The danger we are playing with here is that Garcia can come out and have a great season with greater opportunity (it only takes a longish term injury to Martin or Salmons....lets face it we are the Kings and these injuries will happen) and drive his price up to $8million per year at which point you really need to ask yourself a question, can we afford to pay $8 million to a 6th man type player, albeit a good one.

If we can sign him up for MLE type money now, lets do it. If we don't want to, we can face losing Garcia for nothing next year.
 
Spot on!

Garcia is worth eveyr cent of the MLE and if we can extend him to that sort of contract then we should do it. He has proven to be worth that money. The danger we are playing with here is that Garcia can come out and have a great season with greater opportunity (it only takes a longish term injury to Martin or Salmons....lets face it we are the Kings and these injuries will happen) and drive his price up to $8million per year at which point you really need to ask yourself a question, can we afford to pay $8 million to a 6th man type player, albeit a good one.

If we can sign him up for MLE type money now, lets do it. If we don't want to, we can face losing Garcia for nothing next year.

I agree with Brick's initial post and this one.

You don't mess around. If you can sign a good deal, do it and don't look back. Garcia is improving every year and played well. If he will do an MLE deal, sign it now and move on with life.
 
MLE is a stretch. He has ??? all over his D, and his offensive IQ is not all its made out to be. His three, is the best of all member of the kings. MLE, i agree, but not until he deserves it. Who is Garcia anyways? It sometimes pays to be proficient in English. LPGA is bringing it up, and Garcia should too. He could be on his way to becoming the next michael jordan, but the media wouldn't know it untill its too late, and probably the kings too, he hasn't had the expose it takes to become MJ or LBJ. It's a gamble to "lock" players up who dont bring intangibles like media exposure. And it takes alot more than what Garcia has had to offer. Beno Udrih had a story that people liked and he played well enough to impress the kings, and the NBA for that matter. Garcia hasn't left that kind of impression on anyone. He hit a few game winners, but his overall game winning percentage isn't that great.

You correct are... Garcia need learn to english speak well.

I have agree with you on you're "all over his D" statment too because he has ???? D he is. Garcia = jordan and when i see hiom speaking i think myself to he sound like hedo before he speaking english and peja tooo.

Seriously man... Have you ever seen a Garcia interview? I totally understand what he says. He speaks 100% fluent English. He plays D better than most on the Kings, and the ONLY mistake he makes on offense is that he is a bit out of control when going into the lane WHICH he has worked on and gotten better at in the last 3 years. So he is WELL worth MLE as a 12ppg scorer off the bench and a 17+ppg spot starter. He is instant energy, and a vocal leader. He brings things to the Kings that don't show up on the stat sheet, and if the Kings can get him at MLE it would be stupid NOT to sign him.

Also... Last time I checked Francisco Garcia does not play for the "media".. I don't believe the "media" have a team in the NBA.. If the media miss out on Garcia being the next Jordan, but the Kings have him signed then I will feel OK about it.. Because last time I checked I am a fan of the Kings, not the media.
 
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i think that is the reason why we traded for greene if cisco doesnt pan out then we have a younger guy to fill his role and from his stats in his first year college he kind of reminds me of a more athletic cisco... the guy can block shots and shoots a lot of threes.... if he can pass then so much the better.. but i would love cisco to stay a king hes got heart and a lot of hustle..
 
I see nothing wrong with locking Garcia up to a reasonable contract. Even to a full-MLE, as the logic would be similar to the Beno signing (locking up a useful player through the rest of his prime). But I also see no reason to hurry up and throw that deal at him anyway. You can always give him the same deal later. Even if he proves himself to be "worth" more than the MLE, I find it highly unlikely an NBA team could and would throw 8 or so million at him.

Everyone is preparing for the summer of 2010, who is going to blow their load prematurely on Francisco Garcia of all people? Europe? If Atlanta wasn't trying to strong arm Childress into a bad deal no one would even be mentioning them.

I suppose we would all be kicking ourselves for not locking him up now if he explodes into a star this season. It happened with Phoenix and Joe Johnson. But I don't think anyone here honestly believes there is a good chance of this happening.
 
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If we were to extend Garcia right now to a MLE sized deal, he would become a Poison Pill Provision contract. This will make him very difficult to trade, as his current salary would count as an outgoing for us, but his incoming salary to another team would be the average of this year and all the years of his extension, so if we extended him to 5 years at the MLE it would mean his contract would count as about 6 million incoming to any team that was to trade for him.

As it stands now, we are in a position to be able to put together a nice package in a trade during the season and up to the deadline. We have 2 first round picks, Bobby's expiring and Mikki's partially gauranteed deal next year as well as Brad's large contract who will be an expiring next year. Youth, exprings, and picks have been the formula the last few years in order to aquire a star/superstar type player, and of our youth, Garcia is probably the most expendable of our young guys who will actually have value to another team. However, as a PPP contract, using Garcia as any kind of sweetner in a deal would become substantially more difficult, and even if it could be worked out, would result in us having to take back more salary, and with our eyes still focused on the 2010 offseason, there's a chance that something like that could muck up a deal that otherwise would bring some real talent back.

I would much rather keep our options open this season, with so much change going on right now in the organization there's no reason to have our hands tied at all for a projected 6th man/borderline starter. If at the end of the season it turns out that Garcia has improved significantly and is exactly what we are looking for long term, he's still a RFA so there is little chance of actually losing him. I just think that this organization should be focused on aquiring a star/superstar player in order to get back into contention, and there's no reason at all to hurt our chances at someone like that because it might help get a rolepayer on a better contract.

Top notch post! Very good points. I think this is exactly what Petrie is thinking.
 
Of course the holdup could be on his side, thinking the same wya that he already has the MLE in the bag and so why sign now when maybe you get some minutes and can up your value.

Which I think is what it is boiling down to right now. You better believe with the likes of CSKA Moscow and Olympiakos watching, they're going to be holding out for a better deal. Garcia would be a star in Euroleague much like Anthony Parker of the Raptors was.
 
I am always dissing Garcia, and I actually agree with Brick. If he will agree to be locked in at MLE, do it. Otherwise wait. He has already proven that he is worth that. They can trade him if need be. The question is, "will he get better?". Might as well play it safe and not throw away the opportunity.


I like the idea. Why risk having to pay him more $$$ if he has a breakout season for himself? HighFlyingMonkey also brings up a good point about foreign teams being able to offer much more money after the season as well. Get it done! :)
 
I like the idea. Why risk having to pay him more $$$ if he has a breakout season for himself?

Unless he's asking for more $$$ right now, and that's the reason why no extension is imminent. In that case, a year wait and the reality of no offers greater than the MLE would work in our favor.
 
I like the idea. Why risk having to pay him more $$$ if he has a breakout season for himself? HighFlyingMonkey also brings up a good point about foreign teams being able to offer much more money after the season as well. Get it done! :)

Childress took a $21 million/3 year deal because Atlanta was too cheap to offer the full MLE and played hardball with teams that would. Again, if Atlanta would have just given him the money or dealt with San Antonio then this whole over hyped concept of foreign teams stealing our players wouldn't even be talked about.
 
signing him now isnt really an issue.... as long as martin and salmons dont get injured for any extended period of time we shouldnt have any issues.... garcia is going to be in the same situation as sahsa vujacic was last year.... just waiting for his team to resign him. garcia already knows that the kings dont mind throwing out mle money.....
 
signing him now isnt really an issue.... as long as martin and salmons dont get injured for any extended period of time we shouldnt have any issues.... garcia is going to be in the same situation as sahsa vujacic was last year.... just waiting for his team to resign him. garcia already knows that the kings dont mind throwing out mle money.....


Very good point AriesMar27! He has to know our history of that. :)
 
MLE is affordable, but why? He is not Josh Childress, he won't get a substantial offer overseas, and his R-FA status will allow the market to determine actual value. We didn't want K-mart to see the market, because we would have entered into a bidding war. Garcia is going to be offered 15 over 3years, and if he doesn't like it, he will have to sign the qualifying offer to loose the resticted tag the year after next. Even still, our chances of resigning him are over 50% at that point. And if he earns a 40 million-6yr extention, he probably did something to deserve it.
 
Whatever happens I want us to keep Cisco. I love his game, attitude and I really love watching him and Kevin play off of each other.
 
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