interesting salary stuff

[MaNiac42]

got it off this website.

http://www.dfw.net/%7Epatricia/contracts


Sacramento Kings Date # of total
Player signed years salary misc FA
Erik Daniels .......... 10/1/04 1 minimum '05
Maurice Evans ......... 10/1/04 1 minimum '05
Eddie House ........... 1/7/05 1 minimum '05
Bobby Jackson ......... 8/1/00 5 $13.5 million '05
Cuttino Mobley ........ 10/2/00 6 $31 million p-opt '05
Greg Ostertag ......... 7/20/04 2 $8.4 million p-opt '05
Darius Songaila ....... 7/23/04 2 $3.36 million p-opt '05
Predrag Stojakovic .... 6/8/98,8/16/00 3+6 $3.9 + $45 mill p-opt '06
Mike Bibby ............ 8/16/02 7 $80.5 million p-opt '07
Corliss Williamson .... 7/24/01 6 $31,500,000 '07
Kevin Martin .......... 7/7/04 4 $4,620,441 rc t-opt '08
Brian Skinner ......... 7/14/04 4 $20.7 million t-opt '08
Kenny Thomas .......... 7/16/03 7 $50 million p-opt '08
Brad Miller ........... 7/24/03 7 $67 million '10

 

[Ryle]

got it off this website.

http://www.dfw.net/%7Epatricia/contracts


Sacramento Kings Date # of total
Player signed years salary misc FA
Erik Daniels .......... 10/1/04 1 minimum '05
Maurice Evans ......... 10/1/04 1 minimum '05
Eddie House ........... 1/7/05 1 minimum '05
Bobby Jackson ......... 8/1/00 5 $13.5 million '05
Cuttino Mobley ........ 10/2/00 6 $31 million p-opt '05
Greg Ostertag ......... 7/20/04 2 $8.4 million p-opt '05
Darius Songaila ....... 7/23/04 2 $3.36 million p-opt '05
Predrag Stojakovic .... 6/8/98,8/16/00 3+6 $3.9 + $45 mill p-opt '06
Mike Bibby ............ 8/16/02 7 $80.5 million p-opt '07
Corliss Williamson .... 7/24/01 6 $31,500,000 '07
Kevin Martin .......... 7/7/04 4 $4,620,441 rc t-opt '08
Brian Skinner ......... 7/14/04 4 $20.7 million t-opt '08
Kenny Thomas .......... 7/16/03 7 $50 million p-opt '08
Brad Miller ........... 7/24/03 7 $67 million '10

This page is better:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

 

[Kev.in]

That wasn't interesting at all.

 

[Kingsgurl]

That wasn't interesting at all.

It may not be interesting to you, but it certainly has a huge impact on the future of this team.
$58,601,690 in commited salary for next year, $50 mil if Darius and Mobley opt out and aren't re-signed. That's without Evans, House and Daniels. Well over the projected cap.

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[mikebibby1034]

It may not be interesting to you, but it certainly has a huge impact on the future of this team.
$58,601,690 in commited salary for next year, $50 mil if Darius and Mobley opt out and aren't re-signed. That's without Evans, House and Daniels. Well over the projected cap.

yeah we really are over.

 

[Kev.in]

We knew that months ago.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Well, most of us did, true. However, there are a LOT of new people who either may not know, or might be interested. With the season winding down, it is probably a bit more timely than it was months ago. JMO.

 

[KP]

Man Kenny Thomas contract is big...

 

[Bricklayer]

Man Kenny Thomas contract is big...

I don't think its too bad right now today, it just lasts forever. The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[doone]

It may not be interesting to you, but it certainly has a huge impact on the future of this team.
$58,601,690 in commited salary for next year, $50 mil if Darius and Mobley opt out and aren't re-signed. That's without Evans, House and Daniels. Well over the projected cap.

Well it could be worse, New York's payroll is pretty much double ours.

 

[mr. moustache]

Our contracts aren't bad at all:

Bibby - Roughly 11mil per year - A little overpaid. That said, a number of teams would pay him that, so it probably is his value.

Miller - Roughly 10 mil a year - If he didn't break down and miss 20 games a year he'd be a decent bargain. Again, a number of teams would pay him this money.

Peja - Roughly 8mil- He's due a max contract. Is he worth it. I don't know. He's been playing much better lately. Luckily, he got injured at the worst time of the year.

Mobley - roughly 6 mil - I don't think he's worth more. 6-7 mil sounds about right.

Corliss - roughly 6 mil - He's overpaid at this point in his career. He's a great backup SF. He should be worth a little below the MLE.

Kenny Thomas - roughly 7.5 mil - I don't think he's really that overpaid. On a team with a big shotblocking center he'd make a terrific PF.

Skinner - Approx 5.5mil - Skinner's a little overpaid. I see him as an MLE type guy. People seem to think S. Swift is a MLE guy, I think he'll get paid more.

Oystercatcher - MLE - Waste of money. Piece of unmotivated basketball trash. In love his personality though. I think he's a really cool guy. Totally useless. How can you make more than most CEO's and not work out enough?

BObby - approx 3mil - Well.. Looks like bobby is overpaid. In a what have you done for me lately world, Bobby's done nothing lately

I won't evaluate the scrubs.. ok.. Darius is worth his <LLE money

Overall, I think we're fine. We don't have any terrible contracts. It basically seems like everyone on the roster has a salary other teams would pay, but would be considered a little over market value. That said, Oystercatcher is a big waste of money. Hopefully his expiring contract will be worth something, because his body is worth nothing.

 

[Bartking]

Mo Evans seems like a bargain to me at the minimum salary.

I still can't get over seeing a guy wearing a Kings jersey scoring on put-back dunks on offensive rebounds. It just doesn't seem right.

 

[SacTownKid]

Man Kenny Thomas contract is big...

I think the money is fair, but as Brick said it lasts forever!! Thats one of the things the owners want to change about the CBA, those long deals. Do you smell a lockout down the road! God I hope not.

 

[KP]

it lasts forever!!

Yeah, thats what I meant by big.

 

[TheRaven]

I think the money is fair, but as Brick said it lasts forever!! Thats one of the things the owners want to change about the CBA, those long deals. Do you smell a lockout down the road! God I hope not.

I would hope the unions and leagues have learned something from the NHL lockout. All it did was burn the pockets of both sides by probably decimating what casual fan base there was (die-hard fans will always keep interested).

I don't think the NBA or NFL are that stupid though, they know they got a good thing going and don't want to risk it. Change is definately needed though. As a fan I would welcome shorter length contracts (5 years max) and the age limit. We should end up with higher quality basketball and less teams that are stuck with 1-2 big contract guys and a bunch of scrubs. I would rather watch a more well balanced team.

 

[Bricklayer]

I would hope the unions and leagues have learned something from the NHL lockout. All it did was burn the pockets of both sides by probably decimating what casual fan base there was (die-hard fans will always keep interested).

I don't think the NBA or NFL are that stupid though, they know they got a good thing going and don't want to risk it. Change is definately needed though. As a fan I would welcome shorter length contracts (5 years max) and the age limit. We should end up with higher quality basketball and less teams that are stuck with 1-2 big contract guys and a bunch of scrubs. I would rather watch a more well balanced team.

Got to be careful though -- shortening contracts also makes it hard to keep teams together, which sucks for the fans. Hard to root for a team if its constantly being turned over. Think the real things the owners might like to get is the ability to escape a big contract that becomes a pointless anchor if somebody gets hurt.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Got to be careful though -- shortening contracts also makes it hard to keep teams together, which sucks for the fans. Hard to root for a team if its constantly being turned over. Think the real things the owners might like to get is the ability to escape a big contract that becomes a pointless anchor if somebody gets hurt.

True, but wouldn't the players favor shorter guaranteed contracts over longer NFL style nonguaranteed?

 

[kennadog]

Well, it is interesting...this year the Kings are 9th in team salaries (down from 2-3 yrs ago, I believe). I know the Maloofs have been trying to get payroll down. A couple of years some people felt there wouldn't be any luxury tax due, so the Maloofs risked it. After a couple of years of paying hefty tax, the Maloofs decided they didn't want to part with that much money every year, since the Kings have operated in the red some years. The tax is on top of the payroll.

Cap to the left followed by Kings, Spurs, Lakers, Mavs payroll:

2001-02 $42.5 million $ 54,763,038; $ 46,487,983; $ 52,985,249; $ 56,506,659

2002-03 $40.271 million $ 70,416,596; $ 52,817,688; $ 62,577,317; $ 70,780,199

2003-04 $43.84 million $ 69,567,889; $ 46,879,322; $ 65,510,147; $ 79,099,293

2004-05 $43.87 million $ 60,633,211* $ 47,404,123 $ 65,138,976 $ 87,400,088
*(1 site had this another said $62,000,000)

I know one reason the Spurs could hold the line is that David Robinson wanted to stay in SA and accepted a lower salary so the team could secure Duncan. One of the reasoan DR is so beloved there.
What shocked me was to see the Mavs payroll (2nd only to Knicks) It shouldn't surprise me. Even if he's losing money on the team, I think Cuban is willing to pay anything for a championship. Consequence of way too much money and being nuts. If you have an owner willing to spend any ridiculous amount, it certainly defeats the purpose of a salary cap. Of course, it's obvious the Mavs salary is better spent than the Knicks at this point.
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/salaries/default.aspx
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-salary-cap.shtml

 

[SacTownKid]

Got to be careful though -- shortening contracts also makes it hard to keep teams together, which sucks for the fans. Hard to root for a team if its constantly being turned over. Think the real things the owners might like to get is the ability to escape a big contract that becomes a pointless anchor if somebody gets hurt.

And give up those nice long, gauranteed contracts. There could be a war over this subject.

 

[kennadog]

And give up those nice long, gauranteed contracts. There could be a war over this subject.

Unfortunately true.

 

[Bricklayer]

True, but wouldn't the players favor shorter guaranteed contracts over longer NFL style nonguaranteed?

Oh definitely -- the NFL contracts are total B.S. anyway. The fact is in the NFL nobody really HAS a contract. Its a result of their union being broken years ago. And from a fan's perspective its led to rampant player movement and mediocrity. Better not get too attached to anybody but your top 1 or 2 guys in the NFL as a fan, or you're going to be disappointed. Would never want to see that in the NBA.

Just stating that that is what the NBA owners are primarily concerned with -- long term deals in and of themselves are not necessarily a bad thing for NBA owners. The Kings got GREAT deals signing Peja and Bobby to long term deals, and have had them at below market price for years. Its Vin Baker or Tom Gugliotta or Penny Hardaway that are the problems.

 

[hrdboild]

What about the FA's to be? Eddie House, Mo Evans, Darius Songaila, and Mobley's option. Which of them do you expect to see on the Kings next year? I wouldn't be surprised if Eddie House is gone. He's really been great the past couple weeks, but he's never going to play if he's behind Bibby and Bobby. I would love to see Evans and Songaila back next year. Is there any chance we can retain both? I'm not sure what the rules are on that. We've had Songaila for two years now so we get some kind of excpetion to keep him. But will that interfere with our ability to keep Evans? Both are due bigger contracts. If it comes down to it, which one is more valuable to the team right now? I guess that depends if Mobley re-signs or not. And it depends on what position we draft. And what free agent we can sign with the MLE. Do we go after a SG and try to draft a PF or vice versa? Or do we plan on losing Peja in a year (say it ain't so!) and try to fill in that position? Or try to grab the next Bobby J while we can (or is that Eddie House?) Lots of interesting possibilities.

Anyway, our payroll is in the reasonable range I think for a team that's 10 deep with experience. Guys like Corliss, Skinner, and Thomas are getting paid a lot to be a 6th, 7th, or 8th option (I'm still thinking we need a bigger PF) but than you look at what they are capable of contributing and it's somewhat justified. The positive of having Kenny Thomas signed longterm is that he's a terrific sixth man and will be for some time. Maybe making more than we'd like to spend for that, but it isn't like we're stuck with a scrub. And we'll have some guys with expiring contracts to move mid-season to whoever's in last place (OTag + Bobby J makes for about 8 million).

I think ideally we get a guy who plays like Skinner who's big enough to really be a defensive force down low. And then picking up a defense-minded SG with some size and strength would be the number two priority. We've got a MLE and a low 20s draft pick with which to accomplish that. I think we'll have to work another trade too, but the combination of those three things could allow us to fill our holes without giving up much depth and without driving up our payroll astronomically (ie Mavs and Knicks range). The big question mark over all other question marks though is what will Peja do?

 

[kennadog]

Actually, its easier to see specifics on the Kings salaries on this site: ttp://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento.htm

I love BJ, but Bobby has missed major portions of 3 seasons now and at the end of his contract (06) will be 33. The Kings have to start thinking about what they really need and want in a back-up PG, assuming Bibby is still the starter. I like House, too, but if Bobby comes back strong, you're right, he won't see much playing time.

Songaila has a player option for next season. It was implied that he got a little bit better offer elsewhere last summer, but really wanted to stay with the Kings. I guess he gets to re-decide that this summer.

Somehow, it wouldn't surprise me to see some team make a pretty good offer to Mo. I think he opened a few eyes around the league and has good upside with more NBA experience. I'd love to keep him too.

When I look at mock drafts right now (which is still awfully early) most people seem to think the Kings will draft either a SG or PF.