Big Cuz 15
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if you go to rockets.com and check out their interviews of donte green. he thought we were going to possibly take him at 12 since we brought him in 2x and contacted him several times aftewards.
interesting piece from donte
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sactownfan
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well we got him in the end! it looks to me that Petrie really liked Green enough to actually contact the Rockets first to pursue the trade after they drafted Green... given Petrie's draft history in the first round, its resuring to hear that he was so high on Green... I think Greens shooting percentage will go up now that he wont feel like he's got to go off shooting just to keep his team in the game... i really believe that is his biggest weakness and it was a product to being the go to guy on a "ok" college team...
looking forward to seeing him grow
looking forward to seeing him grow
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
yep. i guess when petrie really wants something, he'll go for it.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well just go ahead and pop my balloon. I was just starting to buy into this whole conspiricy thing.
You know its not out of the question that this whole trade could have been arranged before the draft, or on draft day when Greene started to fall. Hey, its as good as any other theory.
bench_blob
Bench
If Donte Green is as good as the Kings think, and as good as he potentially displayed at the LVSL, A LOT of teams will be kicking themselves. For example, DONTE Green was probably higher on the Kings draft board than Joe Alexander. Joe Alexander struggled in summer league, whereas Donte made the game look easy.
A lot of people think the summer league should be dismissed as irrelevant. Wrong. For example, the chinese player Yi looked out of sorts and outclassed in LVSL two years ago. He's been stinking it up ever since!
Chris Kaman kicked butt last year and went on to have his best season, so the correlation is there.
But I think it would be difficult to pre-orchestrate a trade before the draft, b/c how could you possibly know Donte would slip so far? But Geoff could have said to Coach Adelman "who do you like?" and vice versa, and Geoff could have said "we like this guy, and that guy..." so I am sure there was casual conversations, and when Green was ultimately selected where he was, a deal became possible.
But not until he tore up the competition, and outplayed guys picked higher than him, and their initial impressions of the guy were confirmed, and also no better offers were forthcoming, was the deal consummated. They have to think the guy can contribute 10 to 15 minutes from the get-go, and more minutes as his experience and confidence grows.
A lot of people think the summer league should be dismissed as irrelevant. Wrong. For example, the chinese player Yi looked out of sorts and outclassed in LVSL two years ago. He's been stinking it up ever since!
Chris Kaman kicked butt last year and went on to have his best season, so the correlation is there.
But I think it would be difficult to pre-orchestrate a trade before the draft, b/c how could you possibly know Donte would slip so far? But Geoff could have said to Coach Adelman "who do you like?" and vice versa, and Geoff could have said "we like this guy, and that guy..." so I am sure there was casual conversations, and when Green was ultimately selected where he was, a deal became possible.
But not until he tore up the competition, and outplayed guys picked higher than him, and their initial impressions of the guy were confirmed, and also no better offers were forthcoming, was the deal consummated. They have to think the guy can contribute 10 to 15 minutes from the get-go, and more minutes as his experience and confidence grows.
Sptsjunkie
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I agree with this. Greene's main problem is bad shot selection and falling in love with the 3 pointer too much. This was also Durant's problem at the beggining of last season, but as he learned to shoot less 3s and get to the basket more, his percentages and effectiveness increased exponentially. I think Donte has that same potential as he learns not to rely on his long range shooting. He has the ability to drive and can supposedly score with both hands around the basket. I am very excited to watch both Thompson and him develop this season. I just hope we don't have to watch aging veterans take all of their minutes. (Take the hint Theus)
FakeInjury
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On the depth chart. He is pretty much our third option at the SF position. But, he has a chance to be 6th man. And he could leap over Garcia on the depth chart, easily. And if Salmons looses his game, mid season, as usual, D.G. could be starting by the end of the season; if he earns it and all that jazz. One thing i noticed about Theus is he doesn't mind playing whoever earned the PT. Main point, Artest. He was a primadonna, but when it was gametime, Artest didn't disappoint the team. Another point, Douby, he may be a good practice player, but he hasn't found a way into the rotation because he can't run a team for more that 2 minutes at a time. In conclusion, Donte should be playing at least 10 minutes a game in my estimation.
DocHolliday
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Correction: When it was game time, you double checked to make sure he wasn't sitting out for some phantom injury, then he didn't disappoint. If he sat out he did disappoint his team, oh and when he thought he needed to be Superman and take over the game, because he felt no one else was capable, that probably disappointed the team as well.
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bajaden
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bajaden
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A lot of people think the summer league should be dismissed as irrelevant. Wrong. For example, the chinese player Yi looked out of sorts and outclassed in LVSL two years ago. He's been stinking it up ever since!
I was reading a blog on another site, and that person did some research on the success of summer league players. What he discovered was that the top 5 or 6 players in the summer league went on to have fairly sucessful careers. There were a few exceptions and the jury is still out on some, but it does seem to a decent barometer for making a judgement on a player.
I should point out that there were players that did not do well in summer league that also went on to have successful careers. But, by and large, if you do well in the summer league, there's a very good chance that it will translate to the NBA.
I was reading a blog on another site, and that person did some research on the success of summer league players. What he discovered was that the top 5 or 6 players in the summer league went on to have fairly sucessful careers. There were a few exceptions and the jury is still out on some, but it does seem to a decent barometer for making a judgement on a player.
I should point out that there were players that did not do well in summer league that also went on to have successful careers. But, by and large, if you do well in the summer league, there's a very good chance that it will translate to the NBA.
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bench_blob
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There was a handful of games when Ron-Bill shot us out of the game with his ball hogging ways. So to say he disappointed only when he didn't play is not totally accurate. He won't have the chance to do that on the Rockets, though he may decide somewhere along the way he's more talented than Yao and T-Mac, and start jacking unconsciously. But that's their problem now, not ours.
ninjabiscuit
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Knock it off!
Who do you guys think you are, posting all of this positive stuff? Don't you know that this board was created so that people could (a) post dire predictions of the future, (b) write about how horrible the team/coach/GM/owners are, or (c) generally throw a wet blanket over any hint of excitement, enthusiasm, or optimism that rears its silly little head?
Just kidding, good stuff. Hopefully Donte is as good as we hope. Cheers.
Who do you guys think you are, posting all of this positive stuff? Don't you know that this board was created so that people could (a) post dire predictions of the future, (b) write about how horrible the team/coach/GM/owners are, or (c) generally throw a wet blanket over any hint of excitement, enthusiasm, or optimism that rears its silly little head?
Just kidding, good stuff. Hopefully Donte is as good as we hope. Cheers.
NME
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I'm curious how they quantified the top summer league players, because I can think of quite a few SG/SF types who have put up huge summer league numbers and gone on to be NBA non-factors. I would say that you're a wing player who is going to be good in the NBA, you really should look good in the summer league, but the reverse isn't always true. PG's and big men can get lost in that streetball style, so it isn't always a bad sign if they have a quiet summer league.
As far as Greene, he showed enough skills to encourage me about his potential, but the fact that he put up as many points as he did is almost a negative for me. He's going to need to learn to play a more balanced game to be a big factor in the NBA, so hopefully he will be amenable to that.
FakeInjury
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I hate to say things like this, but Ron was our most talented player, and usually you WANT that person to "take over the game"(i.e. ballhog, or at least be OK with it). Since he is departing, things will open up at the 3 spot. And I know that Salmons will be starting there. But what i don't know is for how long. I see salmons as a player who needs minutes to be effective. I sense Donte could be the most effective at the position without requiring all to many minutes. Starting with defense. Salmons has it, but in spurts and its not like the kind of D we are used to at the 3(ArtesT). Offensively, Salmons NEEDS his shot to fall for him to be effective, along with the minutes. I dont think Salmons is garbage, but if Beno is to be as effective as he was last year, we need knock down 3 point shooters. I like Salmons' slashing game, but i think Donte can fit more instictively into the offense. Basically, we lack scoring, Donte is a scorer. Salmons is a 13pt-5reb-5asst-2stl-2to guy and i think we need a 19-7 guy. Donte (REEEECH)
"Usually" is right. Something about Ron Artest taking over the game just doesn't sit well with me, though. Maybe it's that he does so at the expense of his teammates and.
One thing is certain, though: We no longer have that number one option in the clutch (Bibby is gone, Artest is gone), not unless Kevin Martin develops in that area. John Salmons hit some big shots for us, and Beno came through in late game situations a couple of times, but no one on the roster is really proven in that regard.
Arby's Roast Beef
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I want to see how Greene's rebounding and defensive ability fares in the NBA--we all know the shooting/scoring should easily translate given his unlimited range, ability to finish around the basket, and shooting touch, but sometimes it's the bad habits that are harder to get rid of rather than improving on certain aspects of the game, and for Greene he has to counterbalance both of them, because by reputation he's a shoot-first no-questions-asked sort of player, and he suffers from extreme bouts of inconsistency--those are the bad habits. Hopefully he can improve on his all-around game as well--I like his stealing/shotblocking numbers in college but given his softness in the paint and his lack of intensity at times he's probably pedestrian in this area until he develops the hunger to take it up a notch. He's got a high skill level and great scoring potential especially for someone his height, but to really help the team he needs to play consistently and cohesively.
NME
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Kind of hard for anyone else to prove much with Artest dribbling dribbling dribbling dribbling dribbling down the shot clock.
At least those guys will get the chance this season.These stats are dubious for sample size and other reasons, but incidentally, Martin ranks a bit ahead of Artest in 82games.com's definition of Clutch Play (under 5 minutes, within 5 points) and significantly ahead under Superclutch Play (under 2 minutes, within 3 points). While it proves little, it suggests he probably did something in those situations, and the players who show up high on the list seem to be Guys Who Don't Suck.
GeraldWallace#3
Bench
Donte is like the crazy Cisco (you know when he gets into that stage of the game)
P.S. He's not nearly bulky enough but I think that maybe if we were to play a team like the Suns we could put him at C when they have Shaq out
Amare:6'9
Donte:6'10
P.S. He's not nearly bulky enough but I think that maybe if we were to play a team like the Suns we could put him at C when they have Shaq out
Amare:6'9
Donte:6'10
Yi Jianlian has only been in the NBA for a year, and he averaged 8 points and 5 rebounds. That isn't great, and he clearly struggled at points, but it usually takes players a year or two to adjust. I'd say Yi is already a decent bench player, which is far from "stinking it up."
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
what # is donte going to pick??
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well I probably should have just posted the blog so I didn't have to rely on my memory. Anyway, he broke it down in different catagories. Such as overall scoreing and rebounding. In general the top five scorers went on to have decent to good careers. But as I said, there were exceptions, and in some cases the jury is still out. Such as in the case of Belinelli, who appears to have all the talent needed to suceed in the NBA, but for whatever reason ( Nelson ) hasn't yet lived up to his summer league sucess.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Actually Salmons averaged around 20 points a game as a starter. Most of his scoring does come from driving to the basket. He's not that bad of an outside shooter, but for some reason he seems reluctant to take the shot sometimes.
Defensively, I don't see that much of a drop off. In some cases he's a better defender than Artest, just not as versatile. Example: Salmons actually had more sucess in guarding Kobe than Artest did. He was able to stay in front of him and up on him, making him uncomfortable, which is about all you can do with Kobe. On the other hand, Artest can guard some PF's, and even some of the smaller centers, because of his strength.
So I don't see that much of a loss at the position with Salmons there, and possibly a gain, because the ball will be shared more. I don't however see Salmons as our SF of the future. Sorry John.
I would like to say one more thing about the so called go to guy. The perception is of someone hitting the winning shot with the shot clock ticking down to zero. A valuable commodity, no doubt. And in some cases, thats all you can do. But to me, a go to guy is someone who, yes, can make that shot for you, but also make other things happen. Time permitting of course. Larry Bryd and Rick Barry leap to mind. Great fearless shooters, but they could also beat you with a great pass and great acting as a decoy. In other words, they weren't one note samba's.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Combine results: Donte Greene- 6' 8 1/4" without shoes. 6' 9" with shoes. Don't you just hate when someone corrects you?
Just my opinion, but I think we should stop stating what Greene is or is not. He hasn't played one single game in the NBA and is just 19 yr's old. Can we jus wait an see who emerges.
By the way. Compared to Randoff, Greene is Charles Atlas. Randoff only weighed around 197 pounds at 6' 10" in shoes. Greene weighed around 221.
GeraldWallace#3
Bench
Oh Bajaden was it you who I told Greene is spelled with an E at the end.
Telemachus
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There is a difference between taking over a game, AND not letting any of your teammates help you in any way. MJ always took over the game for the Bulls, but was willing to use his teammates when nessisary to get the job done. That is something that Artest has failed to grasp.
Salmons is not the physical defender that Artest is, but I think he is a better one-on-one defender than Artest. He is very good at keeping his man in front of him, and always seems to maintain his energy on defense (even when his offense is off).
The one thing Salmons has going for him on offense is his abilty to get to the basket (and draw fouls). If he can maintain that for the enire season, it bodes well for the Kings.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
No! You have me confused with some other ficticuous charactor. Seriously, no, I've always spelled his name with an E at the end. Now its possible I may have accidently left it off, but not with intent.
Sorry but I disagree with this... Salmons is a pretty decent defender, but he can't guard the elite players like Artest can.
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