Interest in Jimmer?

[bajaden]

Its been writen in at least one article that the Thunder have interest in Jimmer. What that means exactly, and how much they would give up to aquire him is unknown. Here are a few lines from an article.


"There have rumblings this summer that the Kings could explore trading Jimmer Fredette and that Jimmer might be open to being moved. If Sacramento does entertain offers, the Thunder figure to be one team that will kick the tires. According to Sam Amico of FOX Sports Ohio (Sulia link), Oklahoma City "would love to pry Fredette away" from the Kings. Amico adds that Kevin Durant is a big fan of Jimmer.
Previous reports on Jimmer's potential availability alluded to the player's desire for a larger role and more playing time, and it's not clear whether he would receive those opportunities for the Thunder. It's also unlikely that the Kings would consider trading last year's lottery pick for cents on the dollar after one poor season, so I doubt we'll see a trade anytime soon.
As for the Thunder, Amico says their interest in Fredette would be as a replacement for Derek Fisher. With Eric Maynor expected back to start the season though, that's probably not a real area of concern for Oklahoma City at this point."

Might be something, might be nothing. So here's a question, and its purely out of my head and nothing related to the article. Would you trade Jimmer, and Thornton, for Harden? And remember, Harden would probably only be on board if he was guaranteed a starting position. Which, would of course conflict with the Kings plans for Tyreke. There's no doubt in my mind that Harden is an upgrade over Thornton. He's bigger, a better defender, a better passer, and left unchained like Thornton, could put up similar offensive numbers.

Just a thought!

 

[Dime Dropper]

I'd trade him straight up for PJIII.

 

[kingjatt]

if we could somehow pry eric maynor away from them........

 

[Capt. Factorial]

So here's a question, and its purely out of my head and nothing related to the article. Would you trade Jimmer, and Thornton, for Harden? And remember, Harden would probably only be on board if he was guaranteed a starting position. Which, would of course conflict with the Kings plans for Tyreke. There's no doubt in my mind that Harden is an upgrade over Thornton. He's bigger, a better defender, a better passer, and left unchained like Thornton, could put up similar offensive numbers.

I don't know how you don't make that deal, especially if you can pull off an extend-and-trade.

The big problem is that with IT and Brooks on board, it might lead to a lot of Tyreke at the 3, which we know is ugly-time. Maybe at that point you have to trade Tyreke for a 3. Personnel-wise, it would put us in a bit of a spot but it seems to be an obvious talent upgrade.

That said, I highly doubt OKC would put that on the table, though. I think Thabo and PJIII are the only reasonable pieces that could potentially fit us and be on the table for a Jimmer trade. I don't know if Thabo is quite big enough to defend the 3 and he'd be in a serious logjam at the 2, so he's not ideal. Jones is a big, big risk. We'd be trading a player who we only have spot minutes for for a guy who probably isn't ready for spot minutes, and may never be. It's high-risk, high-reward, but right now I think Jimmer is the safer bet. All things considered, I don't really see him going to OKC.

 

[pshn80]

Isn't Harden a SG? If so, wouldn't do it because of Evans. Otherwise I'd do it in a minute. I would like to see Thornton move on and the same for Fredette. Both have value so we shouldn't do it unless we get value we need in return.

 

[bajaden]

Isn't Harden a SG? If so, wouldn't do it because of Evans. Otherwise I'd do it in a minute. I would like to see Thornton move on and the same for Fredette. Both have value so we shouldn't do it unless we get value we need in return.

Yes, Harden is a SG, which is the reason I brought up Tyreke. Bottom liine is that we would have an upgrade over Thornton, but we'd still have the same conflict at SG with two players that could and should be starters. So we upgrade, but if anything, we increase the problem at SG.

 

[Section 101]

Yes, Harden is a SG, which is the reason I brought up Tyreke. Bottom liine is that we would have an upgrade over Thornton, but we'd still have the same conflict at SG with two players that could and should be starters. So we upgrade, but if anything, we increase the problem at SG.

It would be an upgrade over Evans too.

 

[gunks]

If we nab Harden, it means we have to trade Reke down the line.

I think Reke is going to have a huge season for us, I also think he's going to bail on our flailing franchise once he's a free agent. We did an awful job developing him while he was here, I'd go so far as to say both coaches he had actively stifled his development.

Then we have "The Blueprint", and his bro's, probably telling him to go for a big market or team up with other stars, as thats the en vogue thing to do if you're a high caliber NBA player (yes yes, this is all based on nothing, I just think its a very real threat).

All I'm saying is Tyreke, unlike Cousins, is never quoted as wanting to play here forever, or loving the area/team. Reke has never seemed happy here since his ROY season.

So trading Reke now, while we can still get something back might not be a bad idea.




Sorry for the derail. Back on topic:

YES! Ship Jimmer out! Every time I see that dude clank an open shot, or get picked, I just see a draft pick that should have been used on Leonard or Faried! I'd be down for the Perry Jones trade that was mentioned, or a Jimmer/MT package to get us a 3.

 

[beb0p]

Dude, Harden and Reke can play in the same backcourt. I think Harden's unselfishness, ability to spread the floor, vision, and pick n roll deftness are complimentary to Reke's tunnel vision takes to the basket. Harden is a SG with PG skill, while Reke is a combo trying to learn PG. They are almost perfect for each other. Remember how awesome that Rookie Soph game was when Reke and Harden was both on? Maybe not the best example but still...

But I don't think the Thunder will go for it.

 

[ESP47]

You trade anyone not named Cousins for Harden, but the Thunder don't need any of our other players. They aren't going to trade a great player for a 3rd PG and a guy who does everything their guy does, but not nearly as well. Makes zero sense from their standpoint.

 

[Hadlowe]

I think the Thunder would be happy to ship out Maynor for a superior offensive talent. Maynor is a better all-around PG, but he is a mediocre outside shooter and is not an effective change of pace guard. You're going from high energy Westbrook-led offense to medium energy Harden-led second unit where Maynor/Fisher served more as a spot-up shooter in the backcourt.

You would be dreaming to think that we could put together a package to get Harden away from the Thunder for anything short of Tyreke and change. As mentioned above, a trade of Fredette for Perry Jones III makes more sense for both teams. The Thunder get their floor space spot-up shooter in the backcourt when Westbrook needs a breather. The kings get some length and depth at the 5 where we are undermanned. Never mind that Jones is a raw prospect. I would still prefer him to be the 5th big over Chuck Hayes.

As a mental exercise, the salaries work for a Cole Aldrich/Jimmer Fredette trade. Aldrich can't get minutes with the Thunder now and is a miserable offensive player. However, he averages 3.6 blocks per 36 minutes (small sample size, notwithstanding.) Aldrich's contract has a team option at the end of this season. If he is an obvious non-fit on the team, we can waive and move on.

All said, though. I am hoping for both the Kings and Jimmer that he gets shipped out before the season begins. The Thunder is as good a place as any as long as the Kings get back a better-fitting piece than what they have currently.

 

[Arkitect]

You trade anyone not named Cousins for Harden, but the Thunder don't need any of our other players. They aren't going to trade a great player for a 3rd PG and a guy who does everything their guy does, but not nearly as well. Makes zero sense from their standpoint.

Harden is going to be getting near the max. The Thunder cannot keep all 3 guys. Thornton is a steal with the contract he has. That is why they do it.

 

[Spike]

I wouldn't mind PJIII, but it would feel like Donte all over again. Yeah, he has some size, but he plays a lot smaller than his size. He'd be a 3, maybe a 4 for us. If he develops, he'd be a steal.

I think Jimmer would be fine in an offense that emphasizes the half-court. If only we had a center/slasher built for a half-court game...then Jimmer would be a great spot-up shooter...

 

[kupman]

I don'y buy that Harden is better than Tyreke. Harden has studs all around him and thus he looks better because there is less emphasis on him. In fact, Harden may not be much better that MT and may not improve us much at all if that is who he replaces.

If we are trading trading any guards I would like to have some kind of quality SF in return.

 

[Hadlowe]

I don'y buy that Harden is better than Tyreke. Harden has studs all around him and thus he looks better because there is less emphasis on him. In fact, Harden may not be much better that MT and may not improve us much at all if that is who he replaces.

If we are trading trading any guards I would like to have some kind of quality SF in return.

1. Harden is a more well-rounded player than Tyreke offensively. Tyreke may be better at getting to the rim but Harden is a much better spot-up shooter, a better floor general, and more effective without the ball in his hands. It should also be noted that Harden tends to play with the second unit more which means the comparison is a little bit apples/oranges.

2. Harden is a much better defender than Thornton, in that he actually defends. For scoring, Thornton is one of the top 12 two-guards in the league, but he is a black hole with the ball. Harden can match Thornton for scoring, and is a better passer. Clear advantage to Harden.

3. If the Thunder are serious about acquiring Fredette, they have no small forwards to trade. Durant is their only real 3-man. We would have to accept another guard (please, no), a big, or bring in another team to get what we want. Really, though, with Iguodala off the market, I'm happy to wait until the middle of the season to see what we have with our SF crew before we go looking for another wing to help us there.

 

[pshn80]

It would be an upgrade over Evans too.

Maybe so, mayve not but I'm not willing to compromise Evan's shto at having the position mostly to himself for this season.

 

[pshn80]

If we nab Harden, it means we have to trade Reke down the line.

All I'm saying is Tyreke, unlike Cousins, is never quoted as wanting to play here forever, or loving the area/team. Reke has never seemed happy here since his ROY season.

So trading Reke now, while we can still get something back might not be a bad idea.

Sorry for the derail. Back on topic:

YES! Ship Jimmer out! Every time I see that dude clank an open shot, or get picked, I just see a draft pick that should have been used on Leonard or Faried! I'd be down for the Perry Jones trade that was mentioned, or a Jimmer/MT package to get us a 3.

"while we can ger something back" implies that we are not going to get a stellar season out of Evans this year. We may not but I want us to try and give him his shot here, win or lose. If he doesn't have a stellar year his value will not drop too much. If he does, up, up, up. If that's true it's a no lose deal keeping him and playing him at the two.

 

[bajaden]

Harden is going to be getting near the max. The Thunder cannot keep all 3 guys. Thornton is a steal with the contract he has. That is why they do it.

You beat me to it. Its not a matter of whether the Thunder want Harden or not. Its a matter of whether they're willing to give another player a max contract. They already have three such players in Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka. Doing so with Harden would put them into luxury tax range, with almost all thier salary tied up in four players. Now if they're willing to spend the money, then fine, they don't deal Harden. But if they're not willing to spend the money, then getting Thornton with his reasonable salary, isn't a bad compromise.

 

[Jespher]

With these parameters, if the trade was offered by the Thunder, I don't see how Geoffe could turn it down in good conscious (barring only a rental of Harden). Both Tyreke and James Harden are entering their 4th year in the league and would therefor be restricted free agents at the end of the season, allowing the Kings to match any offer. Sure, they will also need to pay Cousins down the line as well, but there is no reason short of maloofery that they cannot continue to resign their own players. Geesh, look at the mockery the Lakers made of the salary cap this off season. I have no qualms about Harden and Evans playing together either as the 1/2, or the 2/3. Add the talent!

So, yes, please, with a cherry on top, if offered James Harden for Jimmer Fredette and Marcus Thornton...DO THE DEAL!

PG: Tyreke Evans/Isaiah Thomas/Aaron Brooks
SG: James Harden/Tyreke Evans/Francisco Garcia
SF: James Johnson/John Salmons/Tyreke Evans/Tyler Honeycutt/Travis Outlaw
PF: Jason Thompson/Thomas Robinson/Travis Outlaw
C: DeMarcus Cousins/Chuck Hayes/Jason Thompson

 

[bajaden]

I don'y buy that Harden is better than Tyreke. Harden has studs all around him and thus he looks better because there is less emphasis on him. In fact, Harden may not be much better that MT and may not improve us much at all if that is who he replaces.

If we are trading trading any guards I would like to have some kind of quality SF in return.

If you want a quality SF in return, then fine. I have no argument with that. But if you don't think Harden isn't better than Thornton, I don't know what to say. Harden is a legit 6'5". He's a better overall athlete than Thornton. He played PG or Point forward at Arizona St.. He's a terrific passer, and most of all, there's no comparison when it comes to defense. You want to argue shooting?

Thornton shot 43.8% overall against Harden's 49.1%. Thornton shot 34.5% from the three, against 39% for Harden. Thornton actually rebounded the ball well for a SG at 3.7 rebounds a game, but Harden averaged 4.1 rebounds a game. Thornton averaged 1.9 assists a game, while Harden averaged 3.7 assists a game.

I'm not trying to knock Thornton. I like him. But Harden is a better player. So if you want to argue against the trade fine. But don't use the Thornton is a better player than Harden as one of your reasons. I will admit that I'm biased. I've liked Harden all the way back to highschool. He's just a very skilled guy thats extremely unselfish and who puts the team and winning first.

 

[kingjatt]

if they really are looking to move Harden we can put together a pretty nice package, they probably dont want Reke as he will demand a payday next year which is why they are moving harden in the first place, the only thing i could see us offering (that they would want) is jimmer, thornton, plus next years 1st, I would do that, have a core of Reke, Harden and Cuz moving forward would be Solid. (if reke doesnt command a max deal)

and im sure every team that has the space or pieces for OKC is lining up with similar packages, rumblings of the suns being very interested have been heard as well.

 

[Hadlowe]

if they really are looking to move Harden we can put together a pretty nice package, they probably dont want Reke as he will demand a payday next year which is why they are moving harden in the first place, the only thing i could see us offering is jimmer, thornton, plus next years 1st, I would do that, have a core of Reke, Harden and Cuz moving forward would be Solid. (if reke doesnt command a max deal)

and im sure every team that has the space or pieces for OKC is lining up with similar packages, rumblings of the suns being very interested have been heard as well.

Except that the Suns can't put together any sort of respectable package to get Harden. That roster is a frankenstein monster right now. The only moveable piece that might, and that's a big "might", be of interest to OKC would be Jared Dudley who is not a 2-guard by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[kingjatt]

Except that the Suns can't put together any sort of respectable package to get Harden. That roster is a frankenstein monster right now. The only moveable piece that might, and that's a big "might", be of interest to OKC would be Jared Dudley who is not a 2-guard by any stretch of the imagination.

It all depends on what OKC believes is respectable, from an outsiders prospective many believe the only player we have thats worth trading for is Cuz and we know Cuz isnt going anywhere.

 

[Mojo]

Except that the Suns can't put together any sort of respectable package to get Harden. That roster is a frankenstein monster right now. The only moveable piece that might, and that's a big "might", be of interest to OKC would be Jared Dudley who is not a 2-guard by any stretch of the imagination.

Pretty sure the Suns are going to try to go after him in the off season when they can offer the max and hope OKC can't match though.

 

[Tetsujin]

Its been writen in at least one article that the Thunder have interest in Jimmer. What that means exactly, and how much they would give up to aquire him is unknown. Here are a few lines from an article.


"There have rumblings this summer that the Kings could explore trading Jimmer Fredette and that Jimmer might be open to being moved. If Sacramento does entertain offers, the Thunder figure to be one team that will kick the tires. According to Sam Amico of FOX Sports Ohio (Sulia link), Oklahoma City "would love to pry Fredette away" from the Kings. Amico adds that Kevin Durant is a big fan of Jimmer.
Previous reports on Jimmer's potential availability alluded to the player's desire for a larger role and more playing time, and it's not clear whether he would receive those opportunities for the Thunder. It's also unlikely that the Kings would consider trading last year's lottery pick for cents on the dollar after one poor season, so I doubt we'll see a trade anytime soon.
As for the Thunder, Amico says their interest in Fredette would be as a replacement for Derek Fisher. With Eric Maynor expected back to start the season though, that's probably not a real area of concern for Oklahoma City at this point."

Might be something, might be nothing. So here's a question, and its purely out of my head and nothing related to the article. Would you trade Jimmer, and Thornton, for Harden? And remember, Harden would probably only be on board if he was guaranteed a starting position. Which, would of course conflict with the Kings plans for Tyreke. There's no doubt in my mind that Harden is an upgrade over Thornton. He's bigger, a better defender, a better passer, and left unchained like Thornton, could put up similar offensive numbers.

Just a thought!

Jimmer for Ibaka. Get it done Petrie.

 

[Section 101]

Jimmer for Ibaka. Get it done Petrie.

Ibaka just got a 4 year $48 mil extension. He's not going anywhere.

 

[kingjatt]

Pretty sure the Suns are going to try to go after him in the off season when they can offer the max and hope OKC can't match though.

okc will have the ability to match any offer, if they are willing to pay the luxary tax, which is why they are looking to get him locked in now for a little less like ibaka or ship him off before he hits free agency, i dont see a trade happening until at least the deadline if one were to occur.

 

[Bricklayer]

Pretty sure the Suns are going to try to go after him in the off season when they can offer the max and hope OKC can't match though.

Much better the Suns get caught holding the Harden max contract than us.

 

[JB_kings]

Much better the Suns get caught holding the Harden max contract than us.

This.

Do not get caught using up THE max salary slot on a "nice" player. That max salary guy is probably going to be Cousins barring some sort of fantasy trade involving Durant.

Anyone who thinks this team with these owners are going to pay max salary to more than one player is not really paying attention.

 

[mac]

Hmm James Harden hasn't exactly been the greatest player in his last few big stage games. Was absolutely terrible in the finals and almost choked at the end of the olympic finals.

I still think we'd be better off bringing Thornton off the bench than having to start both Tyreke and Harden. If Harden is willing to come off the bench then do the trade right away.

Personally though, I'd just trade Jimmer for Cook. Cook = a slightly more developed version of Jimmer now.