Insider: Hollinger...The Kings didn't get fleeced

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Here is an inside article on the trade. Some good points...some not so good points...but fairly reasonable.

The Sacramento Kings' trade of Chris Webber for three role players Wednesday sent mouths agape throughout the NBA. He's been on the block all year, so his being traded wasn't the surprise – it was the slim pickings Sacramento received in return that caused the shockwaves.

The ransom the Kings received for Webber and salary ballast Matt Barnes and Michael Bradley was the frontcourt trio of Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner. Suffice it to say nobody is sitting around the watercooler in Sacramento saying, "Oh my God, you mean we got Thomas and Williamson!" (Incidentally, Wednesday wasn't exactly a banner day for Kings fans. They also found out a deal for a new arena fell through, which means we're one step closer to seeing a basketball arena next to The Palms in Vegas.) You might think the Webber deal was a salary dump, but that wasn't the case. Webber is owed nearly $62 million over the next three seasons, while the Kings' new trio will receive a similar amount. Sure, the Kings will have $6 million more to play with in 2007, when Williamson's contract expires, but that's a small benefit that's way off in the future. It hardly seems worth trading a star forward merely for that.

So, why in heaven's name would the Kings do this? Kings GM Geoff Petrie is the best in the business, so there has to be a reason here ... um, right?

Fear not, Kings fans. From Sacramento's end, I can come up with three legitimate reasons for consummating this deal: defense, depth and Peja Stojakovic. If you add up the advantages, the deal no longer looks so one-sided. Let's run through each:
Defense
Webber wasn't much of a defensive player, even before he hurt his knee in the 2003 playoffs. Now he's a phantom. Webber still has the size and long arms to bother shots if he gets close enough to a shooter, but in help situations he provides about as much support as a wet piece of bread. The telltale sign is the dip in blocked shots since the injury – Webber averaged 0.7 this year and 0.9 in his brief cameo last year, or about half his career average of 1.6.
The Kings aren't exactly awash in great defensive players who can help overcome his weaknesses, either. As a result, Webber is a huge liability, representing a major reason the Kings' defense is below average (they give up 104.0 points per 100 possessions, ranking 20th in the NBA). His on-court vs. off-court numbers on 82games.com bear this out. The Kings are about 5.3 points per 100 possessions worse when C-Webb is on the court. Those numbers can be deceiving if a player's backup is a brilliant defender, but in this case we're essentially comparing Webber to Darius Songaila. Thus, replacing Webber with just an average defender – whether it's Songaila or Thomas – should improve the Kings' defense by a couple of points per game.



Depth

As good as Sacramento's starting five has been, the bench has been killing the Kings. This is especially true in the frontcourt, where Songaila has been the only productive reserve. Behind Stojakovic, the Kings had to turn to Barnes, a scrappy hustler who makes a great 12th man but brings little to the table in this big a role. He averages just 9.2 points per 40 minutes and isn't even doing it efficiently – he's a 41 percent shooter. At backup center, Greg Ostertag also has disappointed (please try to contain your surprise). His offensive contribution was always meager, but now it's extinct, so he's rarely left the bench of late.
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[/size]Replace those two with Williamson and Skinner, respectively (Thomas replaces Webber, obviously) and the depth picture improves considerably. The Big Nasty is a former Sixth-Man award winner who averages 19.6 points per 40 minutes, filling the need for bench scoring. As for Skinner, he's been even worse than Ostertag this year, but he has played only 246 minutes. Look at his past two seasons and you'll see a guy who shoots around 50 percent and puts up 14 points and 10 rebounds per 40 minutes. Since it's rare for a healthy center to suddenly lose it at age 28, I'm fairly confident Skinner will return to a reasonable facsimile of his former self if he gets the minutes.

So if Williamson replaces Barnes for 15 minutes a night, and Skinner replaces Ostertag for 15 minutes a night, does that make up for replacing Webber with Thomas? Probably not, but it certainly closes the gap.

Peja Stojakovic

The Kings obviously are making a huge offensive sacrifice in trading Webber for three role players. While the deal will help their bench and defense, Sacramento has only one real hope for making the trade pay off. That would be if the decline in production at power forward is offset by increased output from Stojakovic. Ever since Webber returned from his knee injury last season, Stojakovic has been in a funk. An MVP candidate at the two-thirds mark of last season, Peja disappeared as Webber dominated the ball down the stretch. That trend has continued this year – Peja's scoring average is down nearly five points a game, and his 44.3 shooting percentage is his lowest since his rookie year. It's hardly a state secret that the two have been unhappy with each other, and at times it seemed as if Webber was playing keep-away from Peja on the court.

For evidence of how refreshed Stojakovic might feel sans Webber, look at the four games this season when Stojakovic played and Webber didn't. Then compare it to the rest of his season:



Sum it all up, and Sacramento's logic moves into focus. Defensively, whoever replaces Webber is almost guaranteed to be an improvement. Off the bench, the Kings were running short on bodies and should get a lift from their new trio of 76ers. And, perhaps most importantly, the Kings can hope the trade unleashes the Peja Stojakovic of old.

Those three advantages are in addition to the other risk the Kings avoided by making this deal – Webber's getting hurt (again). That risk now belongs to Philadelphia, and from the 76ers' point of view, that's the one potential fly in the ointment. Having thinned out their frontcourt to get Webber, they can't afford for him to be out of the lineup. (Yes, the Sixers also got Rodney Rogers on Thursday, but that won't be any help if he plays like he did in New Orleans.)

It's hard to fathom how Webber could be exchanged for three run-of-the-mill talents. But if you carefully analyze the deal from the Kings' perspective, it doesn't look like the epic fleecing it appeared to be at first glance. Considering Petrie was involved, we should have suspected that from the beginning.
 
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Excellent article Heuge. Thanks for posting this. I pretty much understood this, but this made me more convinced. Its all up to how the 3 perform. Ostertag and what we pay him has to be another notch on the list of "horrible moves" by Petrie. I could see 1 year, but were stuck with this guy for another year. :(
 
Since93 said:
How the three new comers can help our defense and rebounding is remain to be seen.

im very interested and even a little bit excited to see how they are gonna fair...but you are right how they are gonna help still remains to be seen...we gotta get them on the court first
 
iheartBrad said:
im very interested and even a little bit excited to see how they are gonna fair...but you are right how they are gonna help still remains to be seen...we gotta get them on the court first

iheart, expect them to be a little "lost" tomorrow since they will not practice with the team. For that matter, expect them to be lost until they get back and get some practice time. I believe they only get to go through some quick drills prior to the game during shootaround, but thats it. Don't hold your breath. They should work out fine with more and more practice.
 
Since93 said:
How the three new comers can help our defense and rebounding is remain to be seen.

True, but we lacked a bench sinced Jackson was lost to injury... Even minus Webber we do have a VERY potent starting lineup. Now whether we start Songalia, or Thomas We will have Willaimson, Songalia/Thomas, Skinner, Evans, and Jackson when he is back which is not bad at all!!!

The rebounding and Defense is yet to be seen, but I think with adding a couple 25-30 minute bench players to the lineup it could not get any worse!
 
Since93 said:
How the three new comers can help our defense and rebounding is remain to be seen.

Theres nothing that says Webber in philadelphia is gonna work out either, it 'll be interesting to see how many minutes Webb gets and if he will sit out games like he did here in Sac. Honestly Billy King(?) made a huge gamble with this trade.
 
BigSong said:
Theres nothing that says Webber in philadelphia is gonna work out either, it 'll be interesting to see how many minutes Webb gets and if he will sit out games like he did here in Sac. Honestly Billy King(?) made a huge gamble with this trade.

Not really. He gave up nothing in retunr. When you're a mediocre team with a bunch of mediocre big men with long contracts, why not? take your shot while your own superstar still has a little gas in the tank.
 
Bricklayer said:
Not really. He gave up nothing in retunr. When you're a mediocre team with a bunch of mediocre big men with long contracts, why not? take your shot while your own superstar still has a little gas in the tank.

maybe. but to me it is a weak shot at best. and for the next 3 years hes gonna be payin out 20 mil to guy who may/maynot play that much if at all.
 
BigSong said:
maybe. but to me it is a weak shot at best. and for the next 3 years hes gonna be payin out 20 mil to guy who may/maynot play that much if at all.
He'd be paying nearly 20 mil as is...with an unhappy superstar in AI.
 
BigSong said:
so just double your trouble I guess. okay.

Hardly trouble -- Sacto always acted like having a superstar was a bad thing. Having one is a GREAT thing. Having two gives you, and your fans, hope. False though it may turn out to be. There is palpable excitment in Philly now where there was relative boredom a couple of days ago -- suddenly their tema MATTERS once again and they can play the "if" game -- IF webber's knee holds up, IF AI has a huge playoff season, IF...

before there were no ifs. No possible scenarios where glory was the result.
 
Bricklayer, do you think that the sixers will go anywhere in the POs? thats assuming they get in because right now theyre not even in the standings.

If you say no then the sixers GM is not planning for the future well and any immediate gains are negligible.

if you say yes, then well uh ur kinda special then...
 
Who cares. All I care about is that they do go somewhere in the playoffs and that C-Webb can finally beat Shaq in the east with his new cast. I hope they make waves in the east to be honest. They are picked behind Miami and Detroit still, even with Webb there.
 
BigSong said:
Bricklayer, do you think that the sixers will go anywhere in the POs? thats assuming they get in because right now theyre not even in the standings.

If you say no then the sixers GM is not planning for the future well and any immediate gains are negligible.

if you say yes, then well uh ur kinda special then...

#3 team in the East now. Assuming health of course. Shaq stubs a toe, and who knows what can happen?
 
^ yep. the good thing about their position right now is that anything can happen. they can compete in the east. and if they have good luck or their opponents have bad luck, anything can happen.
 
BigSong said:
maybe. but to me it is a weak shot at best. and for the next 3 years hes gonna be payin out 20 mil to guy who may/maynot play that much if at all.
You don't get it. This not about winning a championship. If the do great, but what this is about is building a winning team and putting buts in seats.
 
Bricklayer said:
#3 team in the East now. Assuming health of course. Shaq stubs a toe, and who knows what can happen?

Agreed. The Atlantic division is crap. A team with a sub-.500 record in the West has no shot. In the Atlantic, it's one or two games out of first place and a guaranteed playoff spot.
 
I agree with the article, I really think this was a smart move by Petrie..

Whats also going to be interesting about Webber in Philly is that Webber & Iverson are both top 3 in the league in Field Goals Attempted Per 48 Minutes, this being around 27 shots a game each, They both like to shoot.... ALOT, It's going to be interesting to see this.
 
OptimusRhyme said:
Whats also going to be interesting about Webber in Philly is that Webber & Iverson are both top 3 in the league in Field Goals Attempted Per 48 Minutes, this being around 27 shots a game each, They both like to shoot.... ALOT, It's going to be interesting to see this.
This was my first thought too when I found out Webber was going to Philly. I think AI will get more attempts though.
 
Memo to media pundits:

None of the 3 Scrubiteers the Kings got are strong at both rebounding and defense. You can say having Webber off the floor immediatly helps your defense, but then you look at the fact Webber has missed many games and the team still gave up way too many points in those games. Thomas? He can rebound, but he has been kicked out of Houston and Philly by defensive minded coaches. Corliss? I love him. He's got a muscular thick body, but Kings fan know his style. He's got muscle, but he's a finesse player really. He never gobbled up rebounds when he was here like many expected. Not a defensive force either. Skinner is the closest thing to defensive help they got and he's been having an ugly year.

Secondly, that team that was so hot last year without Webber? It also had Divac and Christie on the team, better passers and playmakers than anyone on the Kings right now. Those two were the guys setting up Peja, but now they are gone.

If you are going to gut the core of the team, you better do it right. Face it, Petrie panicked because he was worried he couldn't get anything better for Webber so he jumped on a bad trade. They needed a playmaker, passer in return, actual defensive forces like Nazr Mohammed, but instead the team gets three bum contracts and a lot of tweeners.