If we could aquire just 1 more 1st round draft pick. And Sign...

[punkrockjock]

If we could have two first round draft picks. Wow that could be huge. Its obvious that the best way to get a quality big man is via draft and with so many bigs coming out this year.....

If we could only reverse the trend of drafting small or skinny shooters and pick up two bigs. that would be pure gold. alot of bigs fail or come short in this league and with the odds of failure. drafting two bigs would almost secure that we at worst case have one joe smith type player thats younger and cross your fingers some a force on defense.

I think were all stocked up on shooters now so i dont see how we wouldnt draft at least one big . And i think its at least feeling like either Artest, Bibby, or Please Lord Brad Miller will be traded by Feb. so maybe thats how we get a sec. draft pick?

of course best case scenario at least in my mind is

1.Trade Bibby for a 1st round pick and to free up a crap load of money and making us players in FA.

2.Sign Darko Milicic ! ! ! he can shoot GP and blk the crap outa fools

3.Then draft 2 bigs

so there you go...... no doubt we will still have at least one or two of these guys, Miller, SAR, or KT.
So add Milicic, 2 draft bigs and one or two of those guys and we got serious depth at C and PF thats the kind of depth we need to throw out at SA, Dal, Det, and the LA Lakers (yes they got lots of size)

and with a line up of
C-Milicic
PF-1st round Big
SF-Artest
SG-K-Mart
PG-Ronnie Price or Salmons for all i care

or even

C-Miller
PF-Milicic
SF-Artest
SG-K-mart
PG- again i dont care Douby do ?

im feeling better about this teams future and i think we would all handle losing alot better knowing at least we got potential with the such a young team.

 

[Heuge]

I cant beleive Im saying this but....I am glad Geoff is in charge.

 

[punkrockjock]

WHAT !?!?! WHY ? ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? wow you cant be serious. I guess your right maybe we should draft another 6'7 shooting guard and maybe we could give Bibby the 5 ext. his look'n for. WHAT!?!? is it signing Darko ? wow what a risk a 7ft. that can shoot(hmm), block lots of shots(hmm),hes gotting bigger every year, and hes 22 years old !?

 

[Vlade4GM]

brandan wright is the guy we need.

 

[nbrans]

One problem with Darko -- he's not very good at anything but blocking shots. He hasn't shown much improvement this year or any other year. Do you really want to be the team that blows $60 million on him this offseason?

I'd rather have Verejao. At least he hustles.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

One problem with Darko -- he's not very good at anything but blocking shots. He hasn't shown much improvement this year or any other year. Do you really want to be the team that blows $60 million on him this offseason?

I'd rather have Verejao. At least he hustles.

Darko's also shown signs of being a slick passer with a jumper. The next Brad Miller with shotblocking at the least.

 

[LMM]

I never get into trade talks and so I don't really know or care about trade rules but... Can we trade Bibby straight up for a 1st rounder? I don't think so.

Even if we can, unless it's a lottery pick, I don't think it's worth it at all.

If we trade Bibby, we'll get his salary back anyway unless it's for an expiring contract or whatever, right?

Eh, that's why I'm not a GM. I'll leave it up to Petrie.

 

[nbrans]

Darko's also shown signs of being a slick passer with a jumper. The next Brad Miller with shotblocking at the least.

He's shown signs of being a good scorer, signs of being a good rebounder, signs of being a good passer...... I mean, it's all potential with Darko. And yet every year he continues to suck at everything but shotblocking. When is he all of a sudden going to be good? He has more incentive than ever to put up a big year and yet half the time he looks comatose on the floor. I don't know if he lacks mental toughness or if he's just young or if he's just not that good. But you'd think that someone who's been in the league four years now would show some improvement. But not Darko.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

I never get into trade talks and so I don't really know or care about trade rules but... Can we trade Bibby straight up for a 1st rounder? I don't think so.

Even if we can, unless it's a lottery pick, I don't think it's worth it at all.

If we trade Bibby, we'll get his salary back anyway unless it's for an expiring contract or whatever, right?

Eh, that's why I'm not a GM. I'll leave it up to Petrie.

No, the CBA says that you have to take back salary if you're over the cap. We are, so we have to have within 25% of the same salary we had with Bibby. That's why awful contracts like KT are so reviled.

 

[nbrans]

I never get into trade talks and so I don't really know or care about trade rules but... Can we trade Bibby straight up for a 1st rounder? I don't think so.

Even if we can, unless it's a lottery pick, I don't think it's worth it at all.

If we trade Bibby, we'll get his salary back anyway unless it's for an expiring contract or whatever, right?

Eh, that's why I'm not a GM. I'll leave it up to Petrie.

You can trade Bibby straight up to a team that's under the cap (like Charlotte, for example, but they wouldn't want Bibby), or you need to trade Bibby for another player with a big contract and a 1st rounder could be included in the deal. For example, one real possibility would be to trade Bibby to Boston for Theo Ratliff's contract, which expires after next year, and Boston's first round pick.

 

[LMM]

You can trade Bibby straight up to a team that's under the cap (like Charlotte, for example, but they wouldn't want Bibby), or you need to trade Bibby for another player with a big contract and a 1st rounder could be included in the deal. For example, one real possibility would be to trade Bibby to Boston for Theo Ratliff's contract, which expires after next year, and Boston's first round pick.

Thank you! See, I knew there were those tricky rules!

Once again, this is why I'm not a GM nor do I wish I'm one.

 

[gunks]

To be fair his time on the Pistons shouldnt really count....He averaged what? Like...5 minutes a game, 15 games a season there?

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

He's shown signs of being a good scorer, signs of being a good rebounder, signs of being a good passer...... I mean, it's all potential with Darko. And yet every year he continues to suck at everything but shotblocking. When is he all of a sudden going to be good? He has more incentive than ever to put up a big year and yet half the time he looks comatose on the floor. I don't know if he lacks mental toughness or if he's just young or if he's just not that good. But you'd think that someone who's been in the league four years now would show some improvement. But not Darko.

This is all true, with Darko you have all the potential in the world with no substance yet. I don't know whether it's Detroit's lack of playing him or it's his own fault, but it's not helping out the cause.

What I like about Darko is that he is, right now, a good piece to put around a dominant PF. He is, right now, a good passer and therefore a good fit for the Princeton. He is, right now, a solid set shooter (Actually, that's all he has on offense right now). He is, right now, a great shotblocker. Darko may or may not get better, but what he is right now can help a lot.

 

[punkrockjock]

We should just just trade Bibby for Darko right now ! I know we cant trade him for just a pick but Bibby for a pick and expiring contracts? someone would be williing to do this. Isnt Steve Francis hangin up the sneakers maybe we should give Isiah Thomas a call? ha

if your gonna drop 50-60 mil. on a player how bout a 22year old proven shot blocker who if you added 10min.s a game to would be avg.
10pts. 7reb. and 3blks a game?
wow 22 years old ! if you made him the starting center or PF on this team right now his numbers would be crazy good...

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

We should just just trade Bibby for Darko right now ! I know we cant trade him for just a pick but Bibby for a pick and expiring contracts? someone would be williing to do this. Isnt Steve Francis hangin up the sneakers maybe we should give Isiah Thomas a call? ha

if your gonna drop 50-60 mil. on a player how bout a 22year old proven shot blocker who if you added 10min.s a game to would be avg.
10pts. 7reb. and 3blks a game?
wow 22 years old ! if you made him the starting center or PF on this team right now his numbers would be crazy good...

Though, you have to remember Darko's not going to solve every problem we have. He's a good supporting piece, but all we have right now is supporting pieces. He's not a PF, he's a C with a jumpshot. I like him, but he's not going to magically make us contenders.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Though, you have to remember Darko's not going to solve every problem we have. He's a good supporting piece, but all we have right now is supporting pieces. He's not a PF, he's a C with a jumpshot. I like him, but he's not going to magically make us contenders.

what's wrong with a supporting piece?

 

[punkrockjock]

thats why we fire sale everyone minus K-Marts and maybe Artest for another 1st round pick and add 2 bigs... we would be like the clippers a few years ago. but with owners willing to keep the team together... as long as they grow... and this would probably as least be fun to watch younger guys go at it.

 

[thatguy]

what's wrong with a supporting piece?

The $50-60 million part, for one.

 

[BigSong]

something tells me detroit knew what they were doing when they traded him for a 2007 draft pick. he didnt even play when saunders took over. I'd rather blow 30-40 mil on wilcox.

 

[Bricklayer]

Darko still has the potential, but a $60mil price tag is just too much of a risk unless he really blossoms.

Varejao...is not the answer. Would love to have him. But basically even if you did, you have Scot Pollard back in his prime. He'll never be a star, or close to it. So you have to watch how much you spend, and how much you depend on him. Nor is he going to be able to shut down the middle for you. So you'd still be looking for a shotblocker.

FAR more interesting guys sitting in the lottery this year, but its unclear whether we possess the vision to go get one.


As an aside, if you had the cap room, and got lucky with the vagaries of the free agent market (which is a big "IF" -- what are you going to do when our FA haul from last year arrives only because God told him not to go to Toronto?), you could actually construct an interest and close to complete frontcourt with Brad (shooter) and Varejao (hustler/rebounder) starting and Reef (low post scorer 6th man) and Darko (shotblocker) off the bench. Of course you'd be better off just trading all 4 of them for one superstud, but between those 4 players you'd have virtually everything, just in a series of limited packages rather than a single complete one.

 

[punkrockjock]

even if we pay him 5 yr 50 mil. is it really that much for a young healthy possible superstar talent? even if he avg the same as this year(if he had 30 min) 10pt. 7reb. 3blk. thats worth 10mil. to me.

look at what Brad Miller makes. is he worth the money? there is just no way around having to pay up for a big man FA. This is life in the NBA Big Men dont need to be allstars to earn crazy big $

I dont wanna hear about what happened with this guy in det. cause what happened was- he got hyped up so much drafted 2nd and put onto a larry brown sit rookies on the bench no matter what team. larry brown is terrible with young talent.

if your 18, 19 years old and you made yourself out to be the next best thing and you dont get to play and you have to watch all the other players picked around you in the draft go off. whats going to happen? darko got pissed off at det. to the point that they let him go. he wanted out!

this kid is 22 years old ! i cant stress this enough. he can block shots (something no one on our entire team can do, minus now justin williams) he wants to be a starter ! hes gonna improve no matter what. 22years old.

 

[Heuge]

WHAT !?!?! WHY ? ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? wow you cant be serious. I guess your right maybe we should draft another 6'7 shooting guard and maybe we could give Bibby the 5 ext. his look'n for. WHAT!?!? is it signing Darko ? wow what a risk a 7ft. that can shoot(hmm), block lots of shots(hmm),hes gotting bigger every year, and hes 22 years old !?

Sorry but Darko is way overrated.
You cannot get a high first rounder for Bibby
and a team starting Slamons at the point will not win consistantly.

 

[Entity]

Actually funny you bring up Williams. Right now Williams is a better shot blocker than Darko and faster and better on defense and has the same potential as Darko in the other areas except he hasn't had 3 years in the league the see the potential grow into talent. Having Price as our starting PG is not a very good idea. You could have 8 Darko's and without a PG with substance in the NBA you still have a nothing team. Our best bet is the try and move Miller or KT for at least one expiring maybe a youngster the other team isn't playing and you may get a pick for Miller. Then you can try your hand with FA next year as well as our pick. I Have a feeling Williams will be sticking around and he will also be on the team next season. This kid has a talent in rebounding and shotblocking and who knows what else he could learn along the way. He will get bigger in size they always do. Look at Garnett and Shaq and some of the other bigs in the league that are about 50lbs heavier now than they were when drafted.

 

[nbrans]

Actually funny you bring up Williams. Right now Williams is a better shot blocker than Darko and faster and better on defense and has the same potential as Darko in the other areas except he hasn't had 3 years in the league the see the potential grow into talent. Having Price as our starting PG is not a very good idea. You could have 8 Darko's and without a PG with substance in the NBA you still have a nothing team. Our best bet is the try and move Miller or KT for at least one expiring maybe a youngster the other team isn't playing and you may get a pick for Miller. Then you can try your hand with FA next year as well as our pick. I Have a feeling Williams will be sticking around and he will also be on the team next season. This kid has a talent in rebounding and shotblocking and who knows what else he could learn along the way. He will get bigger in size they always do. Look at Garnett and Shaq and some of the other bigs in the league that are about 50lbs heavier now than they were when drafted.

Ok, no offense, but this is completely insane. Williams has not yet blocked a single shot in the NBA. He is 6'9", Darko is 7'0". Darko may be overrated, but his is ACTUALLY BLOCKING SHOTS IN THE NBA.

 

[Entity]

Well he did in preseason I know I know we don't count that as the "NBA" but, I mean it is what he is known for and why he is even considered by any NBA team. It was said in several articles around the U.S. that he would be the first player to be called up from the DL. I know its the DL but he was the best rebounder and shotblocker amongst former college stars. So i wouldn't call it insane maybe a stretch but, he is a shot blocker no denying that.

 

[SacKings384]

Darko is nothing special. I think he will be a solid player. But to hand this guy 60 mil? No way... He has shown nothing. For some reason just because he was the number one pick and got no PT in Detroit everyone thinks he deserves some sort of handout. Bring in Justin Williams but more importantly LETS SEE WHAT THIS GUY CAN DO.

 

[kingsfan101]

Thank you! See, I knew there were those tricky rules!

Once again, this is why I'm not a GM nor do I wish I'm one.

Also, no team in the league shall give up a draft pick without serious lottery protection for any of our guys, particularly in this draft. The only way we can get in the hunt for a high lottery pick this season is to trade one of our main guys for an expiring contract (and a draft pick). The pick itself might not help much, since we shall either not receive it (if the other team continues to suck badly), or shall be fairly low. However, we might suck enough to gain a high pick.

One thing that scares me this year is that (if I understand correctly), Phoenix receives Atlanta's pick if it not top 3 protected (part of the JJ-Boris Diaw trade). Atlanta shall compete with Sixers, Grizz and Bobcats for the Oden sweepstakes. If it ends up with the 4th or 5th pick, Suns might add a stud in this packed draft.

 

[VF21]

WHAT !?!?! WHY ? ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? wow you cant be serious. I guess your right maybe we should draft another 6'7 shooting guard and maybe we could give Bibby the 5 ext. his look'n for. WHAT!?!? is it signing Darko ? wow what a risk a 7ft. that can shoot(hmm), block lots of shots(hmm),hes gotting bigger every year, and hes 22 years old !?

Erm, dude? You might want to take a pill or something.

If you post an idea here, you're asking people to comment. You can leave the umbrage at the door; we have more than enough already.

And please, in the future, put these kinds of threads in the Personnel Moves forum.

Thanks.

 

[VF21]

even if we pay him 5 yr 50 mil. is it really that much for a young healthy possible superstar talent? even if he avg the same as this year(if he had 30 min) 10pt. 7reb. 3blk. thats worth 10mil. to me.

look at what Brad Miller makes. is he worth the money? there is just no way around having to pay up for a big man FA. This is life in the NBA Big Men dont need to be allstars to earn crazy big $

I dont wanna hear about what happened with this guy in det. cause what happened was- he got hyped up so much drafted 2nd and put onto a larry brown sit rookies on the bench no matter what team. larry brown is terrible with young talent.

if your 18, 19 years old and you made yourself out to be the next best thing and you dont get to play and you have to watch all the other players picked around you in the draft go off. whats going to happen? darko got pissed off at det. to the point that they let him go. he wanted out!

this kid is 22 years old ! i cant stress this enough. he can block shots (something no one on our entire team can do, minus now justin williams) he wants to be a starter ! hes gonna improve no matter what. 22years old.

whoa...

So just how are you related to Darko?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

You can trade Bibby straight up to a team that's under the cap (like Charlotte, for example, but they wouldn't want Bibby), or you need to trade Bibby for another player with a big contract and a 1st rounder could be included in the deal. For example, one real possibility would be to trade Bibby to Boston for Theo Ratliff's contract, which expires after next year, and Boston's first round pick.

bibby to atlanta who's under thecap for their #1 and possibly a youngin. they need a PG in the worst way