If These Were Your Kings...Team 1

[Bricklayer]

I am hereby bending some board rules, but have an excuse.

Earlier this summer we held an All Time Kings Draft, where 12 players drafted up complete rosters made up of nothing but Kings from the Sacramento era. Given the overall success of the franchise over its time in Sacramento, not surprisingly the rosters had to be a bit...inventive. When the draft was complete, for various reasons the expected playoffs etc. involving the teams did not happen. That's on me. Now I get to make up for it.

As we get warmed up for a new Kings season, I thought for amusement purposes, to maybe give people a little history of the Kings (and also serving the purposes of restarting the All Time Kings Draft) I would post each of the teams that were put together here in the main Kings forum (my excuse: these are teams composed of Sacramento Kings players after all, not cars, or comic book heroes or hot babes) and pose this question: if we were about to head into training camp and THESE were your Kings this season, how many games do you think they would be able to win?

Starters
C Duane Causewell ('91-92) -- 80gms 28.6min 8.0pts (.549 .000 .613) 7.3reb 0.7ast 0.6stl 2.7blk 1.6TO
PF Chris Webber ('02-03) -- 67gms 39.1min 23.0pts (.461 .238 .607) 10.5reb 5.4ast 1.6stl 1.3blk 3.2TO
G/F Bonzi Wells ('05-06) -- 52gms 32.4min 13.6pts (.463 .222 .679) 7.7reb 2.8ast 1.8stl 0.5blk 2.4TO
G/F Harold Pressley ('88-89) -- 80gms 28.2min 12.3pts (.439 .403 .780) 6.1reb 2.2ast 1.2stl 1.0blk 1.6TO
PG Tyus Edney ('95-96) -- 80gms 31.0min 10.8pts (.412 .368 .782) 2.5reb 6.1ast 1.1stl 0.0blk 2.4TO

Bench
F/C Pete Chilcutt ('93-94) -- 46gms 21.2min 7.3pts (.463 .000 .596) 5.9reb 1.5ast 0.9stl 0.6blk 1.2TO
PG Rory Sparrow ('90-91) -- 80gms 29.7min 10.4pts (.491 .397 .699) 2.3reb 4.5ast 1.0stl 0.2blk 1.6TO
G/F Kevin Gamble ('96-97) -- 62gms 15.4min 5.0pts (.430 .482 .700) 1.7reb 1.2ast 0.3stl 0.3blk 0.4TO
C Dwayne Schintzius ('91-92) -- 33gms 12.1min 3.3pts (.427 .000 .833) 3.6reb 0.6ast 0.2stl 0.8blk 2.0TO
PG Jason Hart ('05-06) -- 66gms 12.4min 3.3pts (.389 .290 .661) 1.1reb 1.1ast 0.5stl 0.1blk 0.7TO
F/C Alaa Abdelnaby ('94-95) -- 51gms 9.3min 5.0pts (.532 .000 .571) 2.1reb 0.3ast 0.3stl 0.2blk 0.8TO
F/C Jabari Smith ('03-04) -- 31gms 5.4min 2.1pts (.371 .000 .600) 1.0reb 0.4ast 0.1stl 0.2blk 0.2TO

Coach: Phil Johnson -- Regular: 51-77 .398; Playoff: 0-3 .000

 

[The Hammer]

I actually like the Causwell/Webber pairing. It's actually pretty good defensively. That bench is... well let's just say it's well meaning.

Let's just say hypothetically they had already had a season to gel... I think legitimately they could win 35 games.

I was always a Harrold Pressley fan. Very good shooter, good all around player. I think 2-4 they are actually pretty solid, and you've got your star to build around and lead the team. PG is a role player on that team, but probably gets the job done. It's actually a better than average starting five defensively. So I say 35, but if they had any kind of bench, I dare say they are making a playoff push.

 

[SuperPowerMultiPly]

Where is Divac? and Richmond? I guess i don't understand what was the Criteria to be drafted or what was the draft all about, can u explain a bit more? it's not really relevant to the poll, just my curiosity.

 

[Bricklayer]

Where is Divac? and Richmond? I guess i don't understand what was the Criteria to be drafted or what was the draft all about, can u explain a bit more? it's not really relevant to the poll, just my curiosity.

Twelve different teams were drafted competitively (i.e. people couldn't draft the same players). Vlade is on another one, as is Mitch. None of the teams are terribly good -- all of the talent got divied up. But some maybe are a little better than others. I'll be posting them all here, I think either in groups of 3 or 4 so I don't swamp the main board with them. Eventually you'll see all of them + basically every player who was even remotely anyone in a Kings uni.

 

[bajaden]

I had the pleasure of watching all of these players play in person, and I'm sure that Bricky probably did to. First off, my apologies to Webb. This is a terrible starting lineup with a bench that would be one of the worse in the NBA. Please spare me any kind words about Causwell. I was a season ticket holder with a close up view of Causwell on a too regular basis. I seriously doubt he could make an NBA roster today. He was an absolutely terrible player. I liked Edney at the time, but I'd hardly call him a starting calliber pt guard. God love Harold Presley, but he's probably a better banker than the was a basketball player. I like Bonzi, who is the only other starter besides Webber thats worthy of starting in todays league.

I won't even go into the bench. This is a team that would probably cause Phil Johnson to commit sucide half way through the year. I kindly gave the team a chance to win 20 to 25 games.

 

[uolj]

Let's just say hypothetically they had already had a season to gel... I think legitimately they could win 35 games.

Uh oh... I hope everybody leaves some room for some of the other teams coming up.

 

[Bricklayer]

I had the pleasure of watching all of these players play in person, and I'm sure that Bricky probably did to. First off, my apologies to Webb. This is a terrible starting lineup with a bench that would be one of the worse in the NBA. Please spare me any kind words about Causwell. I was a season ticket holder with a close up view of Causwell on a too regular basis. I seriously doubt he could make an NBA roster today. He was an absolutely terrible player. I liked Edney at the time, but I'd hardly call him a starting calliber pt guard. God love Harold Presley, but he's probably a better banker than the was a basketball player. I like Bonzi, who is the only other starter besides Webber thats worthy of starting in todays league.

I won't even go into the bench. This is a team that would probably cause Phil Johnson to commit sucide half way through the year. I kindly gave the team a chance to win 20 to 25 games.

I fear your, ahem, years of experience, and being "seasoned" enough to have actually watched all these guys play, may well rob you of your ability to see these teams through the entirely delusional misty rose colored glasses of posterity.

 

[bajaden]

I fear your, ahem, years of experience, and being "seasoned" enough to have actually watched all these guys play, may well rob you of your ability to see these teams through the entirely delusional misty rose colored glasses of posterity.

I fear my rose colored glasses have been clouded somewhat with scar tissue. Watching Causwell play was only slightly less damaging than my experience in the Marine Corps.

 

[The Hammer]

I had the pleasure of watching all of these players play in person, and I'm sure that Bricky probably did to. First off, my apologies to Webb. This is a terrible starting lineup with a bench that would be one of the worse in the NBA. Please spare me any kind words about Causwell. I was a season ticket holder with a close up view of Causwell on a too regular basis. I seriously doubt he could make an NBA roster today. He was an absolutely terrible player. I liked Edney at the time, but I'd hardly call him a starting calliber pt guard. God love Harold Presley, but he's probably a better banker than the was a basketball player. I like Bonzi, who is the only other starter besides Webber thats worthy of starting in todays league.

Well, I was at a lot of those games too. I know the Cause you speak of. Ok, perhaps I fluffed him up a bit too much. But he was not a terrible defender. 2.7 blks in 28 minutes a game... at the very minimum he's a basic post defender. But ****, Webb in his prime on just about any team wouldn't win less than 30.

 

[SuperPowerMultiPly]

Twelve different teams were drafted competitively (i.e. people couldn't draft the same players). Vlade is on another one, as is Mitch. None of the teams are terribly good -- all of the talent got divied up. But some maybe are a little better than others. I'll be posting them all here, I think either in groups of 3 or 4 so I don't swamp the main board with them. Eventually you'll see all of them + basically every player who was even remotely anyone in a Kings uni.

Ha, ok, thanks

 

[dbfish]

I fear my rose colored glasses have been clouded somewhat with scar tissue. Watching Causwell play was only slightly less damaging than my experience in the Marine Corps.

Never fear. We have "The Mullet" on the bench.

 

[Telemachus]

I chose 30-34 wins cause I feel like CWebb could carry them that far by himself, and that is pretty much what he would have to do with this team. Most of the players on this team were bench players most of their careers.

 

[bajaden]

Well, I was at a lot of those games too. I know the Cause you speak of. Ok, perhaps I fluffed him up a bit too much. But he was not a terrible defender. 2.7 blks in 28 minutes a game... at the very minimum he's a basic post defender. But ****, Webb in his prime on just about any team wouldn't win less than 30.

Not to be a party pooper, but never say never.

Washington Bullets: 1994/95 season.

Roster:
Chris Webber
Juwan Howard
Calbert Cheany
Rex Chapman
Tom Gugliotta
Scott Skiles
Kevin Duckworth
Don Maclean
Jim Mcllvaine
Gheorghe Muresan

There were others on the roster as well, but these were the primary players. I would say that this team is superior to the team proposed on this thread. This particular team went 21 and 61. And that was with a young and healthy Chris Webber, not to mention a young and healthy Juwan Howard. As for Causwell. He only averaged that many blocked shots one year in his career. His career average is 1.4 BPG, and thats somewhat inflated by his having two good years at blocking shots. He was a terrible rebounder. Landry is a top ten rebounder compared to Causwell who averaged a whooping 4.2 RPG for his career. His last seven years in the league his averages were, 3.0 RPG, 3.4 RPG, 2.8 RPG, 2.7 RPG, 1.8 RPG, 1.9 RPG, and 2.7 RPG. He was a terrible ballhandler, and a terrible passer. His assist to turnover ratio was 2 to 1 in favor of turnovers. He was good at one thing only and that was blocking shots. He was terrible at every other aspect of the game and may be one of the worse draft picks in Kings history.

As you can see, I don't like him very much. But then I was forced to watch him for 42 games up close and personal every year. If he were in this last draft, I would bet you my life he wouldn't even be drafted.

 

[The Hammer]

Not to be a party pooper, but never say never.

Washington Bullets: 1994/95 season.

Roster:
Chris Webber
Juwan Howard
Calbert Cheany
Rex Chapman
Tom Gugliotta
Scott Skiles
Kevin Duckworth
Don Maclean
Jim Mcllvaine
Gheorghe Muresan

There were others on the roster as well, but these were the primary players. I would say that this team is superior to the team proposed on this thread. This particular team went 21 and 61. And that was with a young and healthy Chris Webber, not to mention a young and healthy Juwan Howard. As for Causwell. He only averaged that many blocked shots one year in his career. His career average is 1.4 BPG, and thats somewhat inflated by his having two good years at blocking shots. He was a terrible rebounder. Landry is a top ten rebounder compared to Causwell who averaged a whooping 4.2 RPG for his career. His last seven years in the league his averages were, 3.0 RPG, 3.4 RPG, 2.8 RPG, 2.7 RPG, 1.8 RPG, 1.9 RPG, and 2.7 RPG. He was a terrible ballhandler, and a terrible passer. His assist to turnover ratio was 2 to 1 in favor of turnovers. He was good at one thing only and that was blocking shots. He was terrible at every other aspect of the game and may be one of the worse draft picks in Kings history.

As you can see, I don't like him very much. But then I was forced to watch him for 42 games up close and personal every year. If he were in this last draft, I would bet you my life he wouldn't even be drafted.

Dude please stop with the reality. You're messing with my entire childhood, ok? Damn our drafting really was that bad.

 

[bajaden]

Dude please stop with the reality. You're messing with my entire childhood, ok? Damn our drafting really was that bad.

Damm! I'm really sorry!!! I didn't mean to pee on your pizza. Ugh! thats a nasty thought. Kind of reminds me of Causwell. Ha ha, I couldn't resist. I'll stop now...

 

[Bricklayer]

Bajaden's trauma is making him a hater.

Causie spent most of the last 7 years coming off the Miami bench behind Zo so of course his rebounding numbers were going to be under 5reb/gm. But his career rebs/48 min were about 11.6, which is on the weak side for a center, but not outstandingly bad. Spencer's career per 48 up to this point is 11.4, Theo Raliff's is only 10.7, so while Causie was not good there are whole other tiers below him.

Bajaden also totally neglects to mention Causie's other special skills at dunking and fouling, and does not give sufficient credence to Duane's legendary intelligence and wit.

 

[Telemachus]

Bajaden's trauma is making him a hater.

Causie spent most of the last 7 years coming off the Miami bench behind Zo so of course his rebounding numbers were going to be under 5reb/gm. But his career rebs/48 min were about 11.6, which is on the weak side for a center, but not outstandingly bad. Spencer's career per 48 up to this point is 11.4, Theo Raliff's is only 10.7, so while Causie was not good there are whole other tiers below him.

Bajaden also totally neglects to mention Causie's other special skills at dunking and fouling, and does not give sufficient credence to Duane's legendary intelligence and wit.

I always was amazed how Causwell could shot just above 50% every year when all his shots came from within 2 ft of the basket (mostly dunks). It takes a lot of skill and concentration to shoot around 60% on dunks, especially when you are 7 ft tall.

 

[bajaden]

Bajaden's trauma is making him a hater.

Causie spent most of the last 7 years coming off the Miami bench behind Zo so of course his rebounding numbers were going to be under 5reb/gm. But his career rebs/48 min were about 11.6, which is on the weak side for a center, but not outstandingly bad. Spencer's career per 48 up to this point is 11.4, Theo Raliff's is only 10.7, so while Causie was not good there are whole other tiers below him.

Bajaden also totally neglects to mention Causie's other special skills at dunking and fouling, and does not give sufficient credence to Duane's legendary intelligence and wit.

Thanks Bricky, I needed a good laugh... Causwell had the magical ability to make the ball disappear within two feet from the basket, simply by putting the ball on the floor. And, Wa La, somehow it would magicaly end up in the other teams basket.

 

[The Hammer]

Thanks Bricky, I needed a good laugh... Causwell had the magical ability to make the ball disappear within two feet from the basket, simply by putting the ball on the floor. And, Wa La, somehow it would magicaly end up in the other teams basket.

Did Causewell take your baby or something?

Look those of us who lived through that turrble turrble time know what it was like, and the parade of stiffs that was known as the Kings frontcourt (hey for guards at least we had Theus, Kenny Smith, Ainge, Richmond...) and Causewell is no exception. But perhaps he has become your sacrificial lamb through the changing lens of posterity. Perhaps you are over-heaping the collective badness of that era onto Mr. Causewell, I mean maybe you should save some of this for our only NUMBER ONE PICK, Mr. Pervis Ellison, injured for half a year and then traded. From the wikipedia article: "A Sacramento teammate, Danny Ainge, had nicknamed him " 'Out of Service Pervis'."-- ooh that's harsh, and from a teammate??

 

[Bricklayer]

Alright, glad these were found amusing. Been 24 hours so am closing up these polls and putting up the next trio of , er, candidates.

 

[uolj]

Thank goodness somebody defended Causwell.

I really wanted to, but didn't want to influence the vote, especially for this "regular season". I mean, this team had Webber at his best plus Bonzi and defenders. Easily 35 wins.

 

[bajaden]

Did Causewell take your baby or something?

Look those of us who lived through that turrble turrble time know what it was like, and the parade of stiffs that was known as the Kings frontcourt (hey for guards at least we had Theus, Kenny Smith, Ainge, Richmond...) and Causewell is no exception. But perhaps he has become your sacrificial lamb through the changing lens of posterity. Perhaps you are over-heaping the collective badness of that era onto Mr. Causewell, I mean maybe you should save some of this for our only NUMBER ONE PICK, Mr. Pervis Ellison, injured for half a year and then traded. From the wikipedia article: "A Sacramento teammate, Danny Ainge, had nicknamed him " 'Out of Service Pervis'."-- ooh that's harsh, and from a teammate??

Hey! I'm just having some fun. You can't possibly be taking this seriously. As for Pervis, I'm not a big fan of his either, but at least I didn't have to watch him for as many years as I did Causwell.

 

[The Hammer]

Hey! I'm just having some fun. You can't possibly be taking this seriously. As for Pervis, I'm not a big fan of his either, but at least I didn't have to watch him for as many years as I did Causwell.

I'm not having fun at all, especially when you post something that requires me to make my rebuttal using the word "turrble", let alone being forced to type it twice for emphasis. But I'm glad you are squeezing some joy out of reliving these turrble times.

(of course I'm having fun. Going to Kings games were the highlight of my youth. loved every second. Especially the "Hot Seat Luncheons". Bring em back!!)

 

[bajaden]

I'm not having fun at all, especially when you post something that requires me to make my rebuttal using the word "turrble", let alone being forced to type it twice for emphasis. But I'm glad you are squeezing some joy out of reliving these turrble times.

(of course I'm having fun. Going to Kings games were the highlight of my youth. loved every second. Especially the "Hot Seat Luncheons". Bring em back!!)

Ahhhh! The good old days. Hot seat luncheons. The skylight lounge with Tim Roye. Utah coming back from being down 26 points in the fourth quarter. Fond memories all....