If John W. is hired, is that the last straw?

[Showtime]

Many fans here disagree with some of the decisions made, and have suspected the Maloofs have forced GP's hand (Mussleman hire for example). They have also made comments about letting GP do his job. So, if Whisenhunt is hired, is that the final straw in the minds of you fans with regards to the Maloofs meddling in the success of the team?

Personally, I can't see why a team in this situation would hire a coach with zero NBA head coaching experience.

 

[KingsInBrazil]

Many fans here disagree with some of the decisions made, and have suspected the Maloofs have forced GP's hand (Mussleman hire for example). They have also made comments about letting GP do his job. So, if Whisenhunt is hired, is that the final straw in the minds of you fans with regards to the Maloofs meddling in the success of the team?

Personally, I can't see why a team in this situation would hire a coach with zero NBA head coaching experience.

I know the answer to your question... it calls money cutting/saving or whatever you want to call...this franchise spent the past few seaons bleeding money on terrible contracts and losing arena attendance every season...experienced coaches cost more, thats why you're going to hear names like Whisenhunt and other unexperienced guys as our next head coach...

 

[Aenadin]

if John W. is hired it means a lot of things

1. we're going to another season of top picks

2. Players will have to adjust to another system... we might be playing monarch ball

3. It means that its not a GP pick and he should not renew his contract cause the maloofs are STILL calling the shots on who to get as a coach..

and that his opinion on the matter doesnt matter.

if the maloofs said that its their fault why the season is like this... they should just leave the coaching job the hiring to GP hiring an old family friend is nepotism in my book

if everything pans out this offseason and we get a really good coach.. i expect GP to win another executive of the year any time soon

 

[Rockmeister]

2. Players will have to adjust to another system... we might be playing monarch ball

That's exactly what I am thinking.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I am a huge GP fan, i hope re-signs with the kings.

 

[Aenadin]

I am a huge GP fan, i hope re-signs with the kings.

me too but if the maloofs keep getting their hands in on his job via negating his choices for coach he just might leave...

its like the doctor being told where to cut and incise by the patients relatives

 

[GeraldWallace#3]

Has their ever been a succesful transaction of coaches from the WNBA to the NBA. It is two different things, some people think that since they were a good coach in the WNBA they would be good in the NBA. I once had an All Star game coached by a girls basketball coach, never coached boys basketball before. Lets just say it didn't turn out pretty. Now I'm not saying that just because of my past expeirience Whis will turn horrible, but I doubt if we sign him we'll be seeing the playoffs anytime soon.

 

[Aenadin]

yes you have to consider the level of contact in the game... there are certain parts in the female body that are sensitive to contact (i wont mention them)

if you think the kings are soft now.. imagine if they are coached by whiz

 

[jdbraver]

yes you have to consider the level of contact in the game... there are certain parts in the female body that are sensitive to contact (i wont mention them)

if you think the kings are soft now.. imagine if they are coached by whiz

I imagine the coach W. has coached on many levels. My guess is he probably coached guys at some level too. These past few posts are both sexist and clueless.

The truth is we won't know how he will do in the NBA. That is the scary part. But I don't think you write him off because he coaches women.

Hell even Men's college coaches don't translate into good NBA coaches. And I bet Pat Summitt could out coach anyone on this board in either the NBA or the rec boys and girl leagues.

The thing is the hesistation I would have about Coach W is THAT HE IS AN UNKNOWN COMMODITY.

 

[Kingster]

Does anyone know why this nightmarish story keeps coming up? It's like there's some incredible Himmler-like sadist that is trying to screw with our heads. The Bee supposedly has "sources". Who could possibly be those "sources"? Are the Maloofs in all of their ever-increasing stupidity putting out trial balloons? Do they think that with each poll the resistance to absurdity is going to wane? I'm all for free speech, but if it's unlawful to shout fire in a crowded theater because it could kill people, then by the same token it should be unlawful to utter the W word on KingsFans Forum because it could drive us insane.

 

[Bricklayer]

Does anyone know why this nightmarish story keeps coming up?

Well, for a long time Voison has been pushing the idea and keeping the name in circulation, and its well known she has long had a pipeline directly into the Maloofs themselves all the way back to the days when she was pumping in venom about Webber and Adelman. Just never been clear how much she is reflecting or feeling enabled by what she knows the Maloofs are talking about, or how much she rather functions as cheerleader trying to move the Maloofs toward her pet projects. This most recent report was from Amick though, and if he did not get it from Voison and wasn't jsut trying to stir the pot that was the concern.

 

[BMiller52]

I imagine the coach W. has coached on many levels. My guess is he probably coached guys at some level too. These past few posts are both sexist and clueless.

The truth is we won't know how he will do in the NBA. That is the scary part. But I don't think you write him off because he coaches women.

Hell even Men's college coaches don't translate into good NBA coaches. And I bet Pat Summitt could out coach anyone on this board in either the NBA or the rec boys and girl leagues.

The thing is the hesistation I would have about Coach W is THAT HE IS AN UNKNOWN COMMODITY.

The only other coaching experience Whisnutts has is that he coached his son's AAU team... seriously.

We need an NBA guy though, not a college coach, not a WNBA coach, not a HS coach, not a Euro coach, A NBA COACH. We can't have any more of these unknown commodities. We need JVG, Avery J, Mike Fratello, or Hubie Brown.

Heck even Eddie Friggin Jordan wouldn't be as bad as Wiznutts or another college coach or one of those genius assistants.

 

[kennadog]

yes you have to consider the level of contact in the game... there are certain parts in the female body that are sensitive to contact (i wont mention them)

if you think the kings are soft now.. imagine if they are coached by whiz

This really cracks me up. Men have far more sensitive "parts" that are exposed to contact than women do, believe me. And if you think women players are soft, you haven't watched the Monarchs play, that's for sure. I can think of plenty of good reasons not to hire Whiz to coach the Kings without resorting to silly ones.

 

[Oprostaj]

Okay, all these defenders of the WNBA game... nobody was trying to be sexist. All they were trying to say is that the men's game is far more physical in terms of all over body contact. Nobody is trying to say the women game is soft, that they can't play, etc... The difference is present, and it is vast. I don't know whether it would have an impact on the coach, but I don't like seeing people being called out for sexist posts when they were just trying to point out a very obvious fact.

 

[Kingster]

Well, for a long time Voison has been pushing the idea and keeping the name in circulation, and its well known she has long had a pipeline directly into the Maloofs themselves all the way back to the days when she was pumping in venom about Webber and Adelman. Just never been clear how much she is reflecting or feeling enabled by what she knows the Maloofs are talking about, or how much she rather functions as cheerleader trying to move the Maloofs toward her pet projects. This most recent report was from Amick though, and if he did not get it from Voison and wasn't jsut trying to stir the pot that was the concern.

Maybe Voison is getting it from Coach W? Maybe he's his own cheerleader.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Okay, all these defenders of the WNBA game... nobody was trying to be sexist...

Eh, I'm pretty sure at least some people are trying to be sexist, even if they don't self-identify as such; if they weren't, then there would be more comments about how Whisenant doesn't have NBA experience, and none whatsoever about whether or not a WNBA coach can coach men.

EDIT - For the record, I've been a Monarchs Fan since day one, and I don't want Whisenant anywhere near the Kings. He's more of a manager than a teacher, which is what we need, and his signature defense is a gimmick that really only works when you happen to have elite defensive talent, especially on the perimeter.

 

[bajaden]

I'm certainly not a fan of hiring John W. His name by the way is spelled Whisenant. But just to fair to him and award him what credit he deserves, here is a site with his bio.

http://www.wbca.org/Whisenantbio.asp

 

[Superman]

I can think of plenty of good reasons not to hire Whiz to coach the Kings without resorting to silly ones.

Ditto.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike John Whisenant.

 

[Padrino]

Eh, I'm pretty sure at least some people are trying to be sexist, even if they don't self-identify as such; if they weren't, then there would be more comments about how Whisenant doesn't have NBA experience, and none whatsoever about whether or not a WNBA coach can coach men.

indeed...

in this particular instance, the concerns over a possible whisenant hire should have less to do with where he has coached than where he hasn't: the NBA...

he's never even sniffed the big show. not as a player, and not as an assistant. the nba is the highest level of professional basketball competition. if you have to earn your right to be there as a player, you should have to earn your right to be there as a head coach...

can somebody tell me if there's even been a single nba head coach in recent history who has had no nba experience whatsoever? i'm not aware of any...

 

[Bricklayer]

indeed...

in this particular instance, the concerns over a possible whisenant hire should have less to do with where he has coached than where he hasn't: the NBA...

he's never even sniffed the big show. not as a player, and not as an assistant. the nba is the highest level of professional basketball competition. if you have to earn your right to be there as a player, you should have to earn your right to be there as a head coach...

can somebody tell me if there's even been a single nba head coach in recent history who has had no nba experience whatsoever? i'm not aware of any...

Some of the college guys of course -- but then again they often fail.

And there of course would be where the "sexist" angle would come in -- because I think that Whisenant's WNBA experience is considerably less relelvant to the NBA than a high level male college coach's is -- the woman's game is played at a differnet speed with athletes with radically different capabilities than the men's game is, and the WNBA season is 2 months long. It is also I think considerably easier to manage the players as a coach because you have far fewer megarich megego'd prima donnas. And even if I were wrong about all of the above, the sexism/sense of superiority of the NBA players is a huge hurdle. We can be as politically correct as we want, but if the athletes Whis would have to coach do not share that political correctness (and its clear many of them do not) then they aren't going to buy in and indeed would be likely to consider it a stain to their machismo to be coached by the "women's coach".

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

can somebody tell me if there's even been a single nba head coach in recent history who has had no nba experience whatsoever? i'm not aware of any...

Depending on how you define "experience," this guy might count... Or maybe this guy. This guy?

Of course, none of those guys appear to be any good, with the possible exception of Spoelstra. Granted, I don't know just how good a coach you actually have to be when you have Dwyane F. Wade, but your question was not particularly specific.

 

[kennadog]

Okay, all these defenders of the WNBA game... nobody was trying to be sexist. All they were trying to say is that the men's game is far more physical in terms of all over body contact. Nobody is trying to say the women game is soft, that they can't play, etc... The difference is present, and it is vast. I don't know whether it would have an impact on the coach, but I don't like seeing people being called out for sexist posts when they were just trying to point out a very obvious fact.

I was calling out the remark about "sensitive parts." I can't think of a single female part that is as sensitive to hard contact as certain male parts in the groin area. Of course big men hit harder. They are playing against other big men. Many WNBA women play a very physical, very hard contact game. The Monarchs are very well known for playing hard, very physical defense in particular.

While there are many differences on and off the court between men's and women's games, hard physical contact all over isn't really one of them.

To me the number one reason I don't want Whisnant as coach of the Kings, is that he has not coached at all in the NBA. Period. If he really wants a head coaching position in the NBA, he needs to earn it by paying his dues at least as an assistant coach. Actually, he has never held any type of position with an NBA team. That doesn't cut it for me.

If were going to give someone a shot at their first NBA head coaching position, then I'd rather go with Shaw or Thibodeau.