I'd Like to apologize...
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PurpleHaze
All-Star
and HE'S ONLY 20. Imagine what Hawes-some will look like when he's a 5-year NBA veteran at ripe old age of 23!!
Hawes is definitely a bright spot right now. I'm glad Chicago took Joakim Noah, although I was really unhappy at the time.
Spencer still has a lot to learn but he's already grown significantly into the role that we'll need him to fill.
Like Vlade4GM says, "Apology accepted."
Spencer still has a lot to learn but he's already grown significantly into the role that we'll need him to fill.
Like Vlade4GM says, "Apology accepted."
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Yep. And that kid Thompson is going to be very good also. He works too hard and is too competitive not to be a fine player in a couple of years. I REALLY like that kid.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Oddly timed apology given that he only played well for three minutes tonight, but one that is clearly deserved given the body of work this season.
Not sure about the All Star thing BTW. Could be up to him. But he's a starting quality big at 20 with time to still improve if he is so inclined.
Not sure about the All Star thing BTW. Could be up to him. But he's a starting quality big at 20 with time to still improve if he is so inclined.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
That's what's so impressive to me. He plays like dog-doo-doo for virtually all of the game, can't hit anything, doesn't have any flow, gets into foul trouble, and finally Reggie puts him in with only 4.5 minutes to play. He proceeds to just go out there and make big plays and big shots. He's the anti-Douby.
SacKings7
Starter
I guess I should apologize as well. I never bashed him, but I was upset we didn't take Julian Wright (and VERY glad we didn't get Noah). Hawes has turned out much better than I expected him to be already. As for the Thompson pick, I was mad at the time because Bayless went the pick before ours and he was my favorite in the whole draft aside from Mayo Rose and Beasley. But I wasn't against the pick at all once I got over that. I knew Thompson was a fine pick
Peter_Gibbons
Starter
Hawes has a very bright future.
I truly would take Hawes over Bynum any day because Bynum is very overrated. Considering he has a 1 on 1 teacher HOF in Kareem to basically show him all the moves and tricks, Bynum is a very slow learner. His post moves are so inconsistant and only works on guys he has a size advantage on. Imagine if Hawes had a Kareem to show him the ropes 1 on 1 from day one. I think the lakers overpaid Bynum with the 14.5 mil/yr contract extension.
I truly would take Hawes over Bynum any day because Bynum is very overrated. Considering he has a 1 on 1 teacher HOF in Kareem to basically show him all the moves and tricks, Bynum is a very slow learner. His post moves are so inconsistant and only works on guys he has a size advantage on. Imagine if Hawes had a Kareem to show him the ropes 1 on 1 from day one. I think the lakers overpaid Bynum with the 14.5 mil/yr contract extension.
ReyDelCastillo
Prospect
Funny, I happened to be listening to the One Republic song, "Apologize" when I saw this thread. But it's not too late to apologize.
One thing I like about Hawes is his ability to do almost anything on the court. He already has shown good passing skills, the ability to block shots, three-point range, rebounding, low post presence and even some flash like the old days (the behind the back pass).
One thing I like about Hawes is his ability to do almost anything on the court. He already has shown good passing skills, the ability to block shots, three-point range, rebounding, low post presence and even some flash like the old days (the behind the back pass).
The Hammer
All-Star
The good thing is that I believe he is inclined, and he has shown it. IMHO, Petrie had a knack for drafting this quality in a player: Hedo, Martin, Cisco, Hawes, Thompson.
Kings Faithful
Starter
I love how young he is. He is going to be dominant at some point. Considering how good he is now and how much more he can still pick up. He's gonna be special. He is going to be a strange type of center in the NBA, maby one of the first of his kind. A 7 footer who can block, rebound, pass, and Shoot the lights out.....Add a little muscle and foul control and we got a winner.
Kings Faithful
Starter
Yeah, they are almost equivalent in skill. Hawes might actually beat him right now in overall talent. Lakers got "FAILED" with his contract.
Widowmaker2k
Bench
I would like to say that I voiced my 'crow eating' early. When Spencer was picked, I thought "oh great, another ground-bound white dude that can't rebound or play D". I was very wrong, and have admitted so since the end of last season. His D has been pretty good, and I love his shot blocking. Once he learns how to finish better, his post moves will be absolutely deadly. I really do like that he can shoot the 3 at a decent clip, but I hope that this becomes a minor part of his offense, as opposed to a major part (simply because his low post footwork is so good).
While Spencer is athletic, long, and talented, his biggest asset is is basketball IQ. I truly think that (go ahead and call me a homer, I don't care), if he works at it, he can become a top 5 center in this league. A guy that other teams wished they had. Big, dumb, athletic brutes come along quite often, but it takes a lot more to become an impact player in the NBA. Hawes looks to have the potential to be a highly talented and skilled center, something we haven't had since Vlade became a Laker (again).
While Spencer is athletic, long, and talented, his biggest asset is is basketball IQ. I truly think that (go ahead and call me a homer, I don't care), if he works at it, he can become a top 5 center in this league. A guy that other teams wished they had. Big, dumb, athletic brutes come along quite often, but it takes a lot more to become an impact player in the NBA. Hawes looks to have the potential to be a highly talented and skilled center, something we haven't had since Vlade became a Laker (again).
Not so sure about whether I'd take Hawes over Bynum, I certainly wouldn't pay more than the Lakers did for Bynum. Hawes has been having a few rough games recently but overall he's shown a lot of improvement this season and I'm sure he'll continue to improve tremendously. Now if only we didn't waste the douby pick...
Amory
Bench
I have been thinking the same thing. Like everyone else, I wanted Noah soooooo bad it hurt! I couldn't believe that Chicago took him and stuck us with "Brad #2".
Little did we know what we really got, eh?! I am sooo glad that we were wrong.
Aenadin
Starter
I agree that bynum is overrated.. he should have nifty post moves now with kareem teaching him it took him at least 2 years to establish a decent starting 5 stat
hawes on the other hand impressed me with his improvement from last year i was never a doubter of this guy... i just want him to go to the post more often than chucking up jumpers..
again i posted it somewhere here that he has the potential of being a Cross between Dirk-Kaman...
=LarryLegend=
Starter
I love hawes heart, and thompsons heart.
I watched some of his college games, but didnt realize just how good of a shot blocker he is.
I hope Jason Thompson works out with David Thorpe when Kevin goes there over this summer, or even if Jason can hook up with webb here.
I watched some of his college games, but didnt realize just how good of a shot blocker he is.
I hope Jason Thompson works out with David Thorpe when Kevin goes there over this summer, or even if Jason can hook up with webb here.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
Apology accepted
I was not overly big on Noah although I didn't really know why. As it turned out, I'm glad we did not get him. I was perfectly okay with Hawes when he was signed.
Anyway, like Vlade4GM said, "Apology accepted."
Peter_Gibbons
Starter
Yeah, considering Bynum is in his 4th yr and Hawes is only in his second, Hawes all the way. I think Spencer can end up to be a tougher and more athletic version of Pau Gasol. He has the skills already and can shoot also. Just need more experience and hard work.
I was not overly big on Noah although I didn't really know why. As it turned out, I'm glad we did not get him. I was perfectly okay with Hawes when he was signed.
Anyway, like Vlade4GM said, "Apology accepted."
Ditto that. For some reason Noah wasn't who I wanted - thought Hawes would be a better fit here. I don't watch much college basketball at all, so I usually just stay out of those conversations anyways and let the guys come in here and give them a fair shake.
oaklandking
G-League
I said the same thing
RalphySampson
G-League
Lets not get carried away here. Every single GM in the league would take Bynum over Hawes. That's not to say I don't like Hawes and what he's showing us, but he is not a better big man than Bynum now or ever.
Oscar
Bench
No apology necessary because until the man has proven himself, he needs his balls busted a little to get himself in gear. And if he has the real stuff, no comparison to Brad Miller can stop him.
Peter_Gibbons
Starter
Hmmm... I think Bynum is overrated. He doesn't have much real skills. Most of his points are from lop pass dunks and the only times he can post out is on guys he has a size advantage over. I get to watch quit a few laker & clippers games so I see what he does. The worse part is this is his 4th yr and he is still very inconsistent. Still commits silly rookie fouls. Most all star potential players would have shown that they are a start by now. Look what Dwight Howard did by his second yr. I'm not sure if we can find another player that got a $14.5mil/yr contract extenstion with life time averages of around 6 pts 5 rebs at the time they signed the deal.
But thats just my view... to each his own.
One thing you cant forgot is that he is playing with possibly one of the greatest players to play the game. Kobe draws double and triple teams night in and night out.
Showtime
Starter
Unfortunately, they are trying to make him Brad Miller vol 2 as a high post finesse jumpshooting PF instead of a post up, shot blocking, rebounding CENTER.
Widowmaker2k
Bench
I think a lot of that has to fall on Spencer's shoulders too. He has to make up his mind about what kind of player he wants to be. Right now, I think it's a case of too many skills and not enough possessions to utilize them all. He can play the part of the finesse outside shooter/passer/facilitator, but he has shown us lately that he can also play the low-post shotblocker/rebounder/scorer. He's 20 years old, and already he has as many ways to score the ball as anybody in the league, including the crafty old veterans. That's got to be very confusing, but he's a very smart guy, and it's only his second year, so he has a lot of time to figure it out.
One thing I have to say: When we drafted him, I was under the impression that he was slow and unathletic. That's simply not the case, and while he's no Dwight Howard, his athleticism/quickness, combined with his high basketball IQ and vast skill set, gives him the opportunity to be a truly dominant player. Will he be a dominant player? Maybe...or maybe not. We'll have to see. It's far too early to say that he won't be as good as Andrew Bynum. In fact, I look forward to seeing battles between these two young centers for years to come.
RKid
Bench
Bynum is in his third year.
Tale of the tape: 08/09
Age Pick Minutes PPG % Rbnds Assists
20 10th 07 29.23 12.0 46 7.4 1.7
21 10th 05 29.30 13.1 54 9.0 1.9
Andrew is only like 5 or 6 months older in age, so the disparity in age is not that big. Their stats across the board are basically identical but Andrew shoots a an almost Shaq like %.
I dont know if its fair to compair bynum and Hawes for their games are not to similar and their roles on their teams are different.
Andrew is the stereotypical center while Spencer Hawes so far from what I have seen plays more of a face up style ala Rasheed.
Finally, Bynum is helped by playing alongside Pau, Kobe and being coached by Phil. While Spencer is helped by the fact that he plays in Sacramento. While bynum is expected to make the Lakers better than Western Conference Champions, Spencer is just expected to develop and play with "heart and hussle."
For the record Im not big on stats. I dont believe that stats really show how good a player is or isnt, but mainly I hate stats. I love Association Football and stats dont mean a thing. The only thing that matters is that you help the team win. As long as Andrew helps us win Finals I could live with him being a total bum.
Peter_Gibbons
Starter
Bynum's 1st yr was the 2005-2006 season. This is his fourth. So he has 2 more yrs of experience on Hawes & Kareem as a 1 on 1 instructor since day 1. My point is that superstars don't take 4 yrs and still haven't shown up.
Bynum will be a nice player 1 day. But not a superstar like the media tries to hype him to be. When kobe is gone or slows down to a lesser role, the defense will focus on Bynum and he won't get easy points anymore. I see him at best like a J. O'neal type. Not that they play alike, but I mean Bynum won't be an all star every yr but 1 or 2 times in his career type.
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