I will admit...

[TyFreak Evans]

At one point (before the season started), I thought we had just drafted a superstar/future all-star...

At one point in time (early in the season), I wanted the team to part ways with a certain player in order to keep a certain head coach at that time.

I stand corrected and fully intend to take 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% of my comments back.

Jimmer...totally disappointed in Jimmer at this point in time. I expected WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more from him than what he is giving us, and the team, on a nightly basis. Not sure if it is experience/maturity, or if he just hit a major brick wall that gave him a reality check...whichever it is, I hope and pray to god that Jimmermania can make his way over the last handful of hurdles leading to superstar status in the NBA. Can he get there? Sure. Will he get there? IMO, probably not, but I have been incorrect many times before.

While Smart is not the brightest thing we can have as a head coach, considering what he has to work with, he is doing a fine job, I must say. Cousins is becoming a beast, and will be a force to be reckoned with until the day he hangs up them shoes for good...

Cousins would probably be a wreck under Westphal. With Smart leading the way, he has simmered down quite a bit. I think D-Cuz woulda lost Westphal (and vice versa) somewhere down the line, and DeMarcus would have been far from the player that he currently is under Smart...

Finally, I will admit....

Like all of you, I am human. And I do make mistakes...

 

[Spok22]

i still dont understand why some people liked paul westphaul coaching this team

 

[TyFreak Evans]

i still dont understand why some people liked paul westphaul coaching this team

The coaches that came before Westphal, and after Adelman, should make you understand why some people liked Paul Westphal coaching this team. He was a million times better than any of them combined...

 

[treach1976]

At one point (before the season started), I thought we had just drafted a superstar/future all-star...

At one point in time (early in the season), I wanted the team to part ways with a certain player in order to keep a certain head coach at that time.

I stand corrected and fully intend to take 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% of my comments back.

Jimmer...totally disappointed in Jimmer at this point in time. I expected WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more from him than what he is giving us, and the team, on a nightly basis. Not sure if it is experience/maturity, or if he just hit a major brick wall that gave him a reality check...whichever it is, I hope and pray to god that Jimmermania can make his way over the last handful of hurdles leading to superstar status in the NBA. Can he get there? Sure. Will he get there? IMO, probably not, but I have been incorrect many times before.

Jimmer played well last night. He made mostly good decisions, and got the rim on two nice drives. A couple of shots had fallen and it would have been a great night for him... I can see you posting this after his 0-6 game last week, but after last night it just sounds like a troll. Did you really expect him to be a star right out of the gate? Only the best of the best players in the NBA are stars right out of the gate... much less 10th picks. And fyi, Jimmer is not a bust... Again, it's the 10th pick here, and if you think about the Jimmer of the last few games compared to the Jimmer from 2 months ago, he has corrected many of his mistakes. He isn't getting stripped at the top of the key anymore. He's been doubled at the side line and hasn't thrown it away (they had to call a time out the other night, but that trap was blake griffin and CP3, and they got to him almost as soon as he caught the outlet). He's shown that he CAN dribble, and is routinely keeping it alive and finding his way out of trouble. He isn't stopping and jumping with nowhere to go in the key... What do you want from the kid? Did you get his likeness tattooed somewhere on your body and now you are worried that no one will know who it is?

 

[Spike]

Ultimately my hope was that Jimmer would be the backcourt pairing with Evans...I'm pretty sure that was Petrie's thought as well. That may be the only way it could work long term here. That being said, Jimmer hasn't had the consistent playing time to develop all year. Despite that, he's shown quite a bit of growth and I think in the long term he'll be OK. I think he has the drive to improve, and if he doesn't get any better than a spot up shooter/dump off PG sort of role, it could definitely work. Other variables will come into play.

 

[Mal]

A fine assessment: "He's not as terrible as he used to be."

 

[bajaden]

I think Jimmer has made improvements in a lot of areas, but, he still has a long way to go. Which is not surprising. His biggest area of work is on the defensive side of the ball. I think defense is one of the hardest things to improve during the offseason. Nothing can simulate going up against a real competitor in a real game. Yes, you can play in pickup games during the summer, but little defense is played in most of those. However, as Bobby Knight has stated on many occasions, you play defense with your feet, and not your hands. Are you listening Cuz? And there are many drills you can use to improve your footwork and reaction time.

As I've previously stated. Jimmer was asked to play no defense at BYU. Rightly or wrongly, thats just a fact. So to go from playing no defense in college, to playing defense against some of the best players in world, is like being thrown into the middle of the swimming pool when you don't know how to swim. And we've seen the results. However, Jimmer is a very hard worker, and a better athlete than he's given credit for, so I expect dramatic improvement from him next season.

Do I think he'll ever be a great defender? No! But I do think he can reach a level where he's not a liability.

 

[TrappedinRoseville]

Jimmer played well last night. He made mostly good decisions, and got the rim on two nice drives. A couple of shots had fallen and it would have been a great night for him... I can see you posting this after his 0-6 game last week, but after last night it just sounds like a troll. Did you really expect him to be a star right out of the gate? Only the best of the best players in the NBA are stars right out of the gate... much less 10th picks. And fyi, Jimmer is not a bust... Again, it's the 10th pick here, and if you think about the Jimmer of the last few games compared to the Jimmer from 2 months ago, he has corrected many of his mistakes. He isn't getting stripped at the top of the key anymore. He's been doubled at the side line and hasn't thrown it away (they had to call a time out the other night, but that trap was blake griffin and CP3, and they got to him almost as soon as he caught the outlet). He's shown that he CAN dribble, and is routinely keeping it alive and finding his way out of trouble. He isn't stopping and jumping with nowhere to go in the key... What do you want from the kid? Did you get his likeness tattooed somewhere on your body and now you are worried that no one will know who it is?

Havent posted here but i was really motivated to talk about this:

First off, you're saying that Jimmer is "only" the 10th picks like it's some excuse. He's a TOP TEN pick in the lottery. Most teams don't look at a top ten lottery selection and think "Oh, well as long as he can come in and play spot minutes as a jump shooter or 3-pt specialist that's a pick well spent." To put it in perspective, the 10th pick last year was Paul George. The year before, Brandon Jennings. The year before that, Brooke Lopez. George made a good bit of improvement this year, so I suppose there's hope for Jimmer, but those are near All-Star caliber players.

Secondly, it wasn't just "the Kings took Jimmer at 10." They traded back from the 7th pick. Where they could've taken Biyombo who looks like he could potentially be the defense/rebounds first type big that the Kings will be shopping for in this next draft. AND they acquired John Salmons who is awful AND the highest paid player on the team AND has a longer deal than Udrih, who they sent on his way.

Thirdly, even if the Kings did move back, this draft looks like it was full of swing guard types and there's already a handful that are more productive than Jimmer has been, even at his best moments (Klay, Shumpert, MarShon Brooks etc). So even if you can justify taking a shoot first tweener guard with limited passing abilities when one of your top 2 players is basically the exact same thing, there were better options on that front too.

The Kings butchered that deal ..trading back to get a player that was more expensive and less talented than the player they got rid of...and then drafted a player who was both redundant and not as good as the other options available. Unless Jimmer develops into a multiple time All-Star this pick and this trade are huge busts.

 

[Padrino]

i've said it before and i'll say it again: to be disappointed in jimmer fredette to this point is to have not paid attention to the landscape of the modern nba for the last two decades. jimmer was a first option in college, but he was never going to be a first option in the nba. never. there is not one team in the nba without a player who would demand more shots than jimmer. i defy you to name one. well, okay, maybe the bobcats, but such is the absolutely dismal state of that franchise. truth be told, jimmer will probably never be a second or third option, either. he lacks the size, athleticism, and handles to compete for big time shots on teams that are serious about getting to the playoffs, and he certainly lacks the defensive acumen to be anything but a liability on those same kinds of teams. so where does that leave him? in my opinion, it leaves him much further down in the draft than the 10th spot where the kings snagged him. but, since they did draft jimmer fredette, they have to find a place for him, or they have to trade him. i think his place is on the bench, as a spot up shooter who helps to spread the floor. j.j. redick is the obvious comparison, and i hate to make such an obvious comparison, but it seems so apt considering the collegiate careers of both players, and the limitations of both players as they entered the nba. that means taking the ball out of jimmer's hands, and that means he has to learn to move better off the ball, and getting to spots where he can be effective when the ball does come to him. and he is getting better at this, to my delight, and he's settling into a role in which he won't be a primary ball handler. this may be an unsatisfying conclusion for those who have bought into jimmer mania, either pre-draft or post-draft, but i find it to be the best use of jimmer on this particular kings team...

 

[upinsmoke]

Tyfreak welcome to the board, it's clear you expected way to much from Jimmer. As Spike noted the best thing he can do is learn to play off others and improve his defense and ball handling during the summer(camps). His learning curve is sky high he went from very little defensive responsiblities to staring at cp3. Jimmer is slowly adjusting to the pro game and I don't think he will let himself fail.

 

[treach1976]

TyFreak represents the unrealistic thinking on one side of the ball, and Padrino the serious doubter side of the argument. My point wasn't to say that Jimmer is "not as terrrible" as Mal implies...
Jimmer has made good on his minutes...
This is the closest that I've seen to an accurate assessment... http://aroyalpain.com/2012/04/11/as...r-fredette-playing-his-best-ball-of-the-year/

 

[Section 101]

The coaches that came before Westphal, and after Adelman, should make you understand why some people liked Paul Westphal coaching this team. He was a million times better than any of them combined...

Westfail was the worst coach in franchise history. Even JR was better.

 

[BMiller52]

Tyfreak welcome to the board, it's clear you expected way to much from Jimmer. As Spike noted the best thing he can do is learn to play off others and improve his defense and ball handling during the summer(camps). His learning curve is sky high he went from very little defensive responsiblities to staring at cp3. Jimmer is slowly adjusting to the pro game and I don't think he will let himself fail.

this. He might never be a super star but he can still be a pretty good player. He's going to improve in the summer and he has a good work ethic. I doubt he lets himself and the Kings down.

 

[Spike]

Westfail was the worst coach in franchise history. Even JR was better.

Let's not get carried away. He wasn't great, but the second half of last year didn't look too bad...we at least entered the off-season with a little more promise than what we will be entering this one with.

 

[Section 101]

Let's not get carried away. He wasn't great, but the second half of last year didn't look too bad...we at least entered the off-season with a little more promise than what we will be entering this one with.

Uh, Cuz being a beast and not wanted to be traded by the head coach is whole lot better.

 

[TyFreak Evans]

OK fine, I might have expected a lot more from Jimmer, but I look at when he was drafted and expect a lot more from a guy drafted at that position...for someone drafted that high and with all that was said about him around the time, I expected him to be a better player. Am I giving up on Jimmer? No. Do I expect him to become a good NBA player? Yes. Time will tell, and I hope he becomes a good player, because he has the potential to do so and when he does mature, he will be one of the more exciting players in the NBA...

Same with Westphal...when he was hired as our head coach, I was expecting great things because of the track record he previously had. Did he disappoint? Hell yes. But he did not disappoint as much as Eric Musselman or Reggie Theus. I want someone to give me 5 good reasons why either of those two coaches were better options when they were hired than was Paul Westphal when he was hired....PW did more with the players than both of them did in their years coaching the team...

Like I said in my initial post, I was incorrect in my expectations for both...

 

[Padrino]

OK fine, I might have expected a lot more from Jimmer, but I look at when he was drafted and expect a lot more from a guy drafted at that position...for someone drafted that high and with all that was said about him around the time, I expected him to be a better player. Am I giving up on Jimmer? No. Do I expect him to become a good NBA player? Yes. Time will tell, and I hope he becomes a good player, because he has the potential to do so and when he does mature, he will be one of the more exciting players in the NBA...

Same with Westphal...when he was hired as our head coach, I was expecting great things because of the track record he previously had. Did he disappoint? Hell yes. But he did not disappoint as much as Eric Musselman or Reggie Theus. I want someone to give me 5 good reasons why either of those two coaches were better options when they were hired than was Paul Westphal when he was hired....PW did more with the players than both of them did in their years coaching the team...

Like I said in my initial post, I was incorrect in my expectations for both...

that's not on jimmer. that's on the kings for overvaluing a player most people had further down on their draft boards...

 

[Glenn]

that's not on jimmer. that's on the kings for overvaluing a player most people had further down on their draft boards...

It's also on his fans who have been isolated from the reality of big time basketball from the league he was in. This expectation of instant stardom seldom occurs. Anybody remember the bickering about Bobby Hurley? Patience, folks, patience. I see Jimmer and IT paired as a short but excellent shooting pair coming off the bench. We need a small adjustment and a little maturation to make that happen. An average starting PG who has little if any interest in scoring would balance the starters and bench pretty nicely.

 

[TrappedinRoseville]

that's not on jimmer. that's on the kings for overvaluing a player most people had further down on their draft boards...

Whether it's his fault or not. the kings made poor use of the asset. And the only reason Jimmer isn't getting more grief is because IT is the biggest draft steal of the last few years.

As badly as this season has gone, imagine how bad things would be if Thomas were playing like the 60th pick? Or more optimistically, how much better would the team's prospects be if they had Thomas PLUS someone like Biyombo or Kawhi Leonard?

I know Jimmer is a good guy, but it is what it is: when a player is taken high and underperforms he's the one who gets stuck with the bust label. So Jimmer is going to take the blame for the FO mistake, whether he deserves it or not.

 

[JoMama]

Geez, rippin' on the head coaches? To win in the NBA you need good players. Adelman had good players - several of them. Right now, we have ZERO good players and a couple of developing guys who could become good players. Couz has the skills to be a great player. When the Maloofs start paying to bring in real talent, our head coaches will start looking like geniuses.

 

[VF21]

Geez, rippin' on the head coaches? To win in the NBA you need good players. Adelman had good players - several of them. Right now, we have ZERO good players and a couple of developing guys who could become good players. Couz has the skills to be a great player. When the Maloofs start paying to bring in real talent, our head coaches will start looking like geniuses.

There you go.

 

[Spike]

Whether it's his fault or not. the kings made poor use of the asset. And the only reason Jimmer isn't getting more grief is because IT is the biggest draft steal of the last few years.

As badly as this season has gone, imagine how bad things would be if Thomas were playing like the 60th pick? Or more optimistically, how much better would the team's prospects be if they had Thomas PLUS someone like Biyombo or Kawhi Leonard?

I know Jimmer is a good guy, but it is what it is: when a player is taken high and underperforms he's the one who gets stuck with the bust label. So Jimmer is going to take the blame for the FO mistake, whether he deserves it or not.

I'd be willing to wager that Jimmer would have shown more flashes earlier in a structured half court offense. That's where I think he will find his niche. Of course, the point is all moot now anyway since the season is almost over.