I seriously hope......

[kupman]

that if Mike Bibby is still on the team next season that he goes off and has one of his best seasons ever to make believers of all the naysayers around here once again. I really want him to make people eat their words.

The dude is a high quality PG and one of the best PGs in franchise history. He plays to win every game, does not complain and has ice in his veins when it comes to taking the really big shots. It seems that most have forgotten his clutch performances in the recent past. Either that, or the fans around here are suffering from a heavy dose of 'what have you done for me lately.'

I do not mean to rant, but it is my opinion that Bibby deserves a whole lot more respect around here than what he has been receiving.

Go Bibby!

 

[Double-K]

Ditto.

 

[Padrino]

bibby is a wonderful player, a solid PG, a serious competitor, and, by all accounts, a good teammate. he certainly deserves more respect than he gets, but its all moot in sacramento. a youth movement won't include mike bibby, so somebody else can rejoice over his talents. as much as i love and apperciate his heart and determination, there's not much of a future for him here, and frankly, his better qualities are wasted in sacramento at this point.

 

[Cal-Kings]

"What have you done for me lately" is the motto of most fans, so I suspect that will continue.

Certainly if Mike has a great year, there will be few complainers left to worry about.

I hope he does have a great year.

 

[VF21]

I think people forget that Mike played with a variety of injuries all season long. When a team does as poorly as the Kings did, people try and find people to to point the finger at. With Bibby's poor season, it's only natural some would point the finger at him.

I agree. I think Bibby is a valuable player and, especially if we get the big we're hoping for - along with some new blood - I think Mike could really help. I think he'll do a lot better with a coach like Theus than we saw last season. On a rebuilding team, you absolutely must have a couple of veterans around to give the youth direction and focus. I think Bibby can help in that respect and I think he will.

Go Bibby!!!

 

[jimbodan]

that if Mike Bibby is still on the team next season that he goes off and has one of his best seasons ever to make believers of all the naysayers around here once again. I really want him to make people eat their words.

The dude is a high quality PG and one of the best PGs in franchise history. He plays to win every game, does not complain and has ice in his veins when it comes to taking the really big shots. It seems that most have forgotten his clutch performances in the recent past. Either that, or the fans around here are suffering from a heavy dose of 'what have you done for me lately.'

I do not mean to rant, but it is my opinion that Bibby deserves a whole lot more respect around here than what he has been receiving.

Go Bibby!

Sure he does all those things, but you forget to mention that he doesn't play a lick of defense and paired with Miller his terrible defense is exposed even more. He also is shoot first, pass second or third which isn't what the Kings need if we do indeed go with youth for a rebuild. Sure he used to be a great fit on the Kings and in the glory years we never would have done as well as we did without him, but times change and so do the teams needs. If we want to improve defensively or start developing youth he absolutely needs to go.

 

[VF21]

Sure he does all those things, but you forget to mention that he doesn't play a lick of defense and paired with Miller his terrible defense is exposed even more. He also is shoot first, pass second or third which isn't what the Kings need if we do indeed go with youth for a rebuild. Sure he used to be a great fit on the Kings and in the glory years we never would have done as well as we did without him, but times change and so do the teams needs. If we want to improve defensively or start developing youth he absolutely needs to go.

1. Paired with Miller, anyone's defensive shortcomings are exposed even more.

2. The "shoot first" designation is misleading, IMHO, since with the exception of Martin, we didn't have a better shooter on the team than Bibby.

3. If we want to develop youth, Bibby could be very helpful. We cannot, as mentioned elsewhere, depend solely on youth. The perfect team has a balance of youth and veterans.

I'd move Miller and Artest before I moved Mike, but I'm not too sure of who would take Brad's contract. (And I would - of course - move Kenny and SAR, but that's easier said than done.)

 

[tyrant]

I think people forget that Mike played with a variety of injuries all season long. When a team does as poorly as the Kings did, people try and find people to to point the finger at. With Bibby's poor season, it's only natural some would point the finger at him.

I agree. I think Bibby is a valuable player and, especially if we get the big we're hoping for - along with some new blood - I think Mike could really help. I think he'll do a lot better with a coach like Theus than we saw last season. On a rebuilding team, you absolutely must have a couple of veterans around to give the youth direction and focus. I think Bibby can help in that respect and I think he will.

Go Bibby!!!

i wanted to give props to this post

 

[Vlade4GM]

1. Paired with Miller, anyone's defensive shortcomings are exposed even more.

2. The "shoot first" designation is misleading, IMHO, since with the exception of Martin, we didn't have a better shooter on the team than Bibby.

3. If we want to develop youth, Bibby could be very helpful. We cannot, as mentioned elsewhere, depend solely on youth. The perfect team has a balance of youth and veterans.

I'd move Miller and Artest before I moved Mike, but I'm not too sure of who would take Brad's contract. (And I would - of course - move Kenny and SAR, but that's easier said than done.)

A rebuilding team doesn't need highly paid veterans, actually that's exactly what rebuilding teams avoid. We don't need Bibby for a rebuilding process, we need to trade him for more beneficial pieces. I really don't want to see Bibby or Artest on the team next year. Out with the old and in with the new.

 

[Jechtsphere]

If he's not traded before the season I hope he plays hot so his trade value goes up and it will make him easier to trade before the trade deadline.

 

[tyrant]

A rebuilding team doesn't need highly paid veterans, actually that's exactly what rebuilding teams avoid. We don't need Bibby for a rebuilding process, we need to trade him for more beneficial pieces. I really don't want to see Bibby or Artest on the team next year. Out with the old and in with the new.

and you will miss the playoffs for the next 5 years. you cant build a team soley on a bunch of rookies. they have to have leadership. i will be very upset to see bibby AND artest traded. at least one of them has to stay to provide leadership. if both of them go then it better be for another veteran that can handle the leadership role.

 

[Vlade4GM]

and you will miss the playoffs for the next 5 years. you cant build a team soley on a bunch of rookies. they have to have leadership. i will be very upset to see bibby AND artest traded. at least one of them has to stay to provide leadership. if both of them go then it better be for another veteran that can handle the leadership role.

As if Bibby is some great leader and there will never be any more "veteran leaders" available to us within the next 3 years. We're rebuilding so that means we aren't competing for the next 2-3 years. Once we get our young necleus and cap space we go out and grab a strong established veteran to tie it all together.

 

[hrdboild]

If someone can get Bibby to play defense for a whole season, I'm all for keeping him around. The point of rebuilding is to establish a better foundation to build off of. So now is the time to decide whether we're going to continue covering up for a defensive liability at the PG position or not. My problem with Bibby defensively isn't that he's not capable of playing defense, it's that he doesn't look like he's even trying out there most of the time. Maybe that's a carryover from Adelman's style of play where you just want to get the ball back ASAP so you can score again. (It worked for awhile and it works for Phoenix now, so I'm not necessarily slamming Adelman. It was just a choice he made.) If he's still coachable in that regard, than I'd be much happier with him staying here.

I think Bibby will have a much better year this year too. If he gets traded, some team is getting a great player to lead them in the playoffs. I'm in favor of trading him only if it improves our position moving forward. We can maybe put that cap-space to better use in adressing our frontcourt problem and we could maybe win more games with a better distributer handling the ball and a better on-the-ball defender guarding the other team's PG. I actually think Bibby is underrated as a distibuter too because he's such a good shooter and our team has relied on his shooting more and more the last couple of seasons. I dont think we should dump Bibby for a draft pick or just to cut salary, but it's worth considering a deal if some team is willing to trade away a great young player that can grow with our team to get a veteran in return. For the first time in awhile we can afford to sacrifice some of the present for a better future. We should take advantage if we can.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

thats what corliss is here for yeah? he's actually climbed the mountain and seen the top.

 

[tyrant]

cant believe what im reading. how long have the bobcats sucked? or how bout atlanta? these two teams have been the worst of the worst since the beginning of this decade. the hawks have been "rebuilding" for years. were they even any good to begin with? you need veteran players to surround the rookies on this team.

 

[Kingster]

If Bibby is still around here next year, the "rebuilding" we've been hearing about would be in name only. He needs to go.

If we still have him, yeah, I'd like him to have the most fantabulous year ever - so we could trade him for the highest possible value, who hopefully will be very young, athletic and good.

 

[bench_blob]

The model of rebulding with all young guys doesn't work, if you look at teams that have tried that route, it's made for a lot of lean years, coaches getting fired, constant personnel reshuffuling, and it breeds a culture of losing, and it gets really hard to turn that around; Bibby has at least 4-5 years of solid basketball and could definitely be the most stabilizing influence of the vets currently on the roster. I'd keep him unless we could get offered a deal too sweet to pass on.

 

[VF21]

thats what corliss is here for yeah? he's actually climbed the mountain and seen the top.

Corliss is an unrestricted free agent as of July 1. He's not "here" any longer unless the Kings offer him a new contract.

 

[RIP miyagi]

i love bibby's clutch plays and his great games, but his tendency for inconsistency kills me. i just wish we could surround him with better scorers so that he can go back to playing point guard rather than feeling like he has to do everything.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Of course you need veterans to compete, but we're not competing! We don't need Bibby.

 

[VF21]

Of course you need veterans to compete, but we're not competing! We don't need Bibby.

We're not competing? Does that mean we're going to teach the kids to just roll over and play dead?

OF COURSE we're competing. We just probably won't be winning a whole lot of those competitions.

 

[supamari0]

We're not competing? Does that mean we're going to teach the kids to just roll over and play dead?

OF COURSE we're competing. We just probably won't be winning a whole lot of those competitions.

Sincerely,

Herm Edwards

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

 

[Gary]

A rebuilding team doesn't need highly paid veterans, actually that's exactly what rebuilding teams avoid. We don't need Bibby for a rebuilding process, we need to trade him for more beneficial pieces. I really don't want to see Bibby or Artest on the team next year. Out with the old and in with the new.

I actaully disagree. Bibby can be a useful tool in a rebuild. With his salary coming off the books in a couple years we would be prime for the FA market right when our youngsters are peaking, plus Bibby has knowledge to share. In a rebuild we do need a couple vets who know what they are doing.

If we had to keep one of the three.. Bibby/Miller/Artest, I would keep Bibby.. Even though he is the highest paid, he is in a position that we need the most.

 

[Rug King]

Personally, I'd like to see Bibby traded. I don't like his attitude and that attitude has probably cost as many losses if not more than his few big shots have won for the Kings. Not a good candidate for helping the younger players get on board the rebuilding process.

Thanks for the memories, Mike.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I actaully disagree. Bibby can be a useful tool in a rebuild. With his salary coming off the books in a couple years we would be prime for the FA market right when our youngsters are peaking, plus Bibby has knowledge to share. In a rebuild we do need a couple vets who know what they are doing.

If we had to keep one of the three.. Bibby/Miller/Artest, I would keep Bibby.. Even though he is the highest paid, he is in a position that we need the most.

so we're gonna continue to bleed talent without getting anything in return? we need to move these guys while they still have good value and get on with the "rebuild". IE, the suns weren't that good until nash came along. how good were they had starbury? they had amare, marion, starbury and some of the other players. they only became good when they had capspace to pursue a veteran like nash.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Thanks for the memories, Mike.

THX mike!

 

[Bricklayer]

a) Bibby was never THAT good. The overloyal responses like he was some sort of franchise player or something are laughable. He's been a King for 6 years, and respect and all that. But he's no more than a Reggie Theus/Eddie Johnson/Lionel Simmons etc. etc. level talent. A good player, but just a guy thta comes and goes. The closer he has gotten to being the "franchise guy", the worse we have gotten. And when we were really really good, one great clutch series aside, he could easily have been the 5th most important of our 5 starters. He does not deserve the veneration. He was neither at the core of old "Kingness", nor one of the first generation of those Kings. He was never a "straw". He's just the survivor. The dumping on him for being evil, or not a good as Luke Ridnour or Devon Harris or whatever is silly, but so is all the "nooooo! We can't lose Mike!" stuff.

b) And I've made this point before, good PG or not, and he is still good...I hope...at this point he has clearly been eclipsed by nearly half of the PGs in the West alone. In fact he might barely be a Top 10 guy in the league anymore. That is NOT some "show you" type talent. Kidd, Nash, Parker, Deron, Paul, Chauncey, Baron, A.I., Arenas, Heinrich/Miller/Bibby...its a close thing.

c) IF we were contending, or anything of the ilk, I would strongly consider keeping him. In a strong system, with strong veteran players, he could still be an important player for somebody. If for instance we jumped in and decided to make a run at KG (which would cost us Kevin, so highly shaky), I would fight to keep Mike. However that's not where we are.

d) However Mike does not fit a rebuild, and earns an insane amount of money for a player in that situation. There is no way to justify it. And indeed if he does have the occasional stupid night like he did against Phoenix last April, that HURTS us. That one moment alone lost us at least 2 draft positions which could have made a huge difference. It will be a similar dynamic next year. Big $$, vet beginning to approach 30, taking shots form kids -- waste of both our time and resources and his. He'll be in his early 30s by the time we are ready to do much again, and its very hard to develop a new personality, find new young leaders, while you still have rotting members of the old guard sitting around chewing up your cap and your shots.


The best way Mike can help us at this late date is with the one final gift of being the bit that brings us something juicy in trade.

 

[Emma]

The closer he has gotten to being the "franchise guy", the worse we have gotten. And when we were really really good, one great clutch series aside, he could easily have been the 5th most important of our 5 starters.







Very easily. But Bibby has a killer's mentality in high stress situations. look at 2002, and the gorilla walk. (Or don't, I know it hurts).

 

[Emma]

Forgot to give Bricklayer credit.

Excellent stuff Bricklayer.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

a) Bibby was never THAT good. The overloyal responses like he was some sort of franchise player or something are laughable. He's been a King for 6 years, and respect and all that. But he's no more than a Reggie Theus/Eddie Johnson/Lionel Simmons etc. etc. level talent. A good player, but just a guy thta comes and goes. The closer he has gotten to being the "franchise guy", the worse we have gotten. And when we were really really good, one great clutch series aside, he could easily have been the 5th most important of our 5 starters. He does not deserve the veneration. He was neither at the core of old "Kingness", nor one of the first generation of those Kings. He was never a "straw". He's just the survivor. The dumping on him for being evil, or not a good as Luke Ridnour or Devon Harris or whatever is silly, but so is all the "nooooo! We can't lose Mike!" stuff.

b) And I've made this point before, good PG or not, and he is still good...I hope...at this point he has clearly been eclipsed by nearly half of the PGs in the West alone. In fact he might barely be a Top 10 guy in the league anymore. That is NOT some "show you" type talent. Kidd, Nash, Parker, Deron, Paul, Chauncey, Baron, A.I., Arenas, Heinrich/Miller/Bibby...its a close thing.

c) IF we were contending, or anything of the ilk, I would strongly consider keeping him. In a strong system, with strong veteran players, he could still be an important player for somebody. If for instance we jumped in and decided to make a run at KG (which would cost us Kevin, so highly shaky), I would fight to keep Mike. However that's not where we are.

d) However Mike does not fit a rebuild, and earns an insane amount of money for a player in that situation. There is no way to justify it. And indeed if he does have the occasional stupid night like he did against Phoenix last April, that HURTS us. That one moment alone lost us at least 2 draft positions which could have made a huge difference. It will be a similar dynamic next year. Big $$, vet beginning to approach 30, taking shots form kids -- waste of both our time and resources and his. He'll be in his early 30s by the time we are ready to do much again, and its very hard to develop a new personality, find new young leaders, while you still have rotting members of the old guard sitting around chewing up your cap and your shots.


The best way Mike can help us at this late date is with the one final gift of being the bit that brings us something juicy in trade.

awesome post brick!