He would've never stood for being pimp smacked by the lakers like this. I remember in the games in LA when he shaved Kings into the back of his hair, and when he would pop the kings jersey to the crowd of laker fans. And then when the games were down here, he would get all the kings fans in the crowd excited. I know he was slightly crazy, but he had HEART. We don't have anybody like that on this team right now. Martin sits out half the games, and I know he hurt his ankle, but still it's the freaking lakers. Artest was our best defender and a whole lot less selfish than people said he was. All we got back for him is an oversized 3 point chucker(Donte) and a late draft pick. Can you say RIPOFF?
I miss Artest
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Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Good point. But this was a lost year amidst the trades and bad coaching--if they did this next year, I would really be concerned. Leadership can be attained via free agency/trade this offseason
We didn't trade Artest to get better.
I know we didn't trade him to get better, but I can't believe Geoff couldn't find a better rebuilding "package" for him. Greene has potential, but all he likes to do is shoot 3 pointers. That pick won't be that good. The only good thing about that trade was ROn was reunited with Adelman.
Aenadin
Starter
I was one of those guys that wanted artest gone... but seeing how things played out and stuff im leaning towards that we got robbed... we should have asked for shane battier
The song Big YEllow taxi comes into mind to me though..... when i think about guys like Gerald WAllace Hedo Turkoglu and Ron artest... guys who could have made a difference for the kings...
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial][SIZE=-1]Hey farmer, farmer, put away your DDT
I don't care about spots on my apples,
LEAVE me the birds and the bees please
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
Hey now, they paved paradise to put up a parking lot
Why not?
Listen, late last night, heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi took my girl away
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
Well, don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise to put up a parking lot
Well now, they paved paradise
And put up a parking lot [/SIZE][/FONT]
The song Big YEllow taxi comes into mind to me though..... when i think about guys like Gerald WAllace Hedo Turkoglu and Ron artest... guys who could have made a difference for the kings...
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial][SIZE=-1]Hey farmer, farmer, put away your DDT
I don't care about spots on my apples,
LEAVE me the birds and the bees please
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
Hey now, they paved paradise to put up a parking lot
Why not?
Listen, late last night, heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi took my girl away
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot
Well, don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise to put up a parking lot
Well now, they paved paradise
And put up a parking lot [/SIZE][/FONT]
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Nothign has changed about that move. I think that people now have a more realistic view of what Ron meant and the value of an Artest vs. a Martin, but nothing has changed. We are better for him being gone. Begun to have real doubts about donte's future, which is unfortunate, but he was a good risk to take. Still got the late pick, and just as importantly Ron being gone meant he couldn't carry all those sad old vets anymore and forced us finally to collapse and go into a rebuild. We were never going to be any good with Ron around because we would never get bad enough to be any good. Now we're going to get our restart. Be a couple of years, but in the end, we'll still be better in the long run.
Section 101
All-Star
Any more so than after Martin's first year?
Larry89
Disgruntled Kings Fan
Kevin Martin had veterans to learn from, coaches and great basketball minds, he played great defense.
Donte is on a bad team, who is he going to learn from
TTown Kings
Bench
it's hard for me to have too many doubts yet about a 19 year old that has seen little to no playing time all year. not ready to give up on him this early. have some patience people, geesh.
Amory
Bench
Good point.
I remember people saying to throw martin into just about any deal to spice it up.
Ron Artest is still bat poop nuts. His escapade the other night against the Lakers blew up in his and the Rockets' face as all he was able to do is show why Kobe Bryant is in the running for MVP and Artest, despite what he thinks in his own mind and hears the voices telling him, isn't...
As far as Donte Greene goes, I think he's about two bricks shy of a load as far as basketball IQ goes. It's not about patience or waiting to see him get more playing time. He commits a lot of bonehead mistakes ... and then makes them again.
As far as Donte Greene goes, I think he's about two bricks shy of a load as far as basketball IQ goes. It's not about patience or waiting to see him get more playing time. He commits a lot of bonehead mistakes ... and then makes them again.
kingsnation
All-Star
Do you also miss mediocrity?
SacKings384
Starter
Ron Artest was a little nuts. But he had more fire than this entire team put together. We just have no heart... period... Sadly our best player has none either.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
He's actually over the course of the year gotten enough minutes to show something by this point. He's played in 49 games, averaged 12.3 minutes a game in them. And averaged 3.8pts 1.5reb 0.5ast on 33.8% shooting, 27.9% from beyond the line.
You can't write a guy off entirely after year 1, but he hasn't been improving, which is a concern, seems rather dim out there, which is another, and really really needs to put in some major work this summer. Question is does he have the maturity and work ethic for that?
No I miss watching someone who actually gave a damn. And that was Ron. Regardless that half of us think he's crazy, he hasn't done anything too bad in Houston this year and like said above he has more heart than this entire team combined. Everyone said he was a bad teammate but he never dissed the team publicly when he was on it. Just a month or 2 ago Martin said we were a joke. Ron NEVER said that, and wouldn't be caught dead saying that.
And I highly doubt this draft is going to save any team. Griffin is no franchise player, Rubio most likely isn't, Harden is probably the best player but plays the same position as KMart, so who exactly in this draft is going to save this team? The top 10 players are all practically the same as far as talent goes. So having the 1st pick or the 4th pick doesn't help us too much more than having the 10th pick would've.
Ron was good for the young players development, contrary to popular belief. He always worked out with KMart, he helped Cisco, he helped Spencer, he wanted to help out JT. He wanted to help any young player we got in the draft get better. We could've traded Miller and Salmons for Noc+expirings with or without Ron being here.
The fact of the matter is, Ron would never let this team get walked on by the LA F. Lakers.
Hrm. Apparently we were watching different games because I did see a player with heart out there on the court - Spencer Hawes. You cannot expect a team to continue to come out night after night at the end of a season like this and light up the court, especially with their best player sitting in street clothes.
The Kings were totally dominated by a much better team. You cannot refute that. BUT they didn't roll over and play dead. They made a lot of mistakes, they clearly fell for a lot of Laker tricks and they didn't follow the game plan when the going got tough, but they're learning. If we still had Artest, it would have been the Ron Artest show in the entire second half as he tried single-handedly to do the impossible. That wouldn't have helped us win and it certainly woudln't have helped the kids develop the skills they're going to need in the future.
Hawes and Thompson and Nocioni showed a LOT of heart tonight. Bobby Jackson always shows heart. Beno is, I think, two people who fight with each other over possession and control of his body. Garcia was the bad Cisco tonight, but it wasn't for lack of heart.
I'm really tired of people just throwing it out there that this team has no heart.
It's not about heart when one of the league leading teams pummels you AS EXPECTED. It's just the way things go when you live in the Valley of the Suckatude. And in case you haven't noticed, that's exactly where we live...
SLAB
Hall of Famer
With Ron (07/08): 38 Wins
Without Ron(08/09): 16 wins
Although getting rid of RonRon was ultimately (and clearly the record states) the best thing to finally get us into a rebuilding period...
But,,,
I really don't care what anyone says about Ron being insane, crazy, cancerous or whatever, Ron Artest would not stand for a team with 16 wins. He would be kicking everyone else's butts to get better. To try harder. To be better than this excuse of a team on the court.
The lone freaking difference in this team from last year to this year was....
Jason Thompson from Mikki...(Improvement)
Ron Artest to John F Salmons/Nocioni/Greene...(Epic Fail)
How subtracting one player from one position leads to about 20+ more losses says something about what the "Timebomb" meant to this team.
So in conclusion, yes. I do miss Ron Artest, and his ability to make this excuse of a team look decent.
But also, no. Because with RonRon we are marred in mediocrity, and don't have any shot at Rubio/Griffin because Ron wouldn't let his team be that bad.
Without Ron(08/09): 16 wins
Although getting rid of RonRon was ultimately (and clearly the record states) the best thing to finally get us into a rebuilding period...
But,,,
I really don't care what anyone says about Ron being insane, crazy, cancerous or whatever, Ron Artest would not stand for a team with 16 wins. He would be kicking everyone else's butts to get better. To try harder. To be better than this excuse of a team on the court.
The lone freaking difference in this team from last year to this year was....
Jason Thompson from Mikki...(Improvement)
Ron Artest to John F Salmons/Nocioni/Greene...(Epic Fail)
How subtracting one player from one position leads to about 20+ more losses says something about what the "Timebomb" meant to this team.
So in conclusion, yes. I do miss Ron Artest, and his ability to make this excuse of a team look decent.
But also, no. Because with RonRon we are marred in mediocrity, and don't have any shot at Rubio/Griffin because Ron wouldn't let his team be that bad.
GoGoGadget
All-Star
The 38 wins vs. 16 wins statistic is dubious out of context.
Those 38 wins were down from the previous season and for a team on the decline, a 38-win season is utterly useless.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Why not? His trade value was not very high for obvious reasons.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
See the rest of the post.
I miss him, because he made the team not a laughingstock and an embarassment.
I don't miss him, because his presense would result in another unneeded 38 win season.
In the long run, losing him was for the best, but this season has been so miserable it's hard to not miss someone with his talent, DEFENSE, and heart.
Because, we got back practically nothing for him. He had the most HEART on the team, played the best DEFENSE, and was a great motivator. If you can't get a decent deal for him then don't trade him.
And I'm sorry but Griffin or Rubio are saving noone. They aren't franchise players.
kingsnation
All-Star
Apply this comment to Artest as well and you will find it to be quite accurate.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
What would not trading him have done for us? A championship? No? then it was pointless to keep him. It really doesn't matter whether you think Griffin or Rubio are franchise players, or any of the top 5 guys in the draft for that matter. The point is being at the top of the draft as opposed to the tail end of the lottery (if Artest was even enough to improve our record even that much) is worth much more than whatever Artest would have given us, hell moving up one spot in the draft is worth more than keeping Artest. I'll take a late first round pick, Greene, and any improved lotto odds over any of his pointless antics, whether they be positive or negative any day of the week. Artest did nothing for us and would have continued to do nothing for us.
We basically threw away a top 30 talent, DPOY candidate, mentor for our young guys with a bunch of heart for a late first rounder and a 3 point chucker, very possible both of the ammount to nothing. Artest was atleast entertaining to watch. This team is putrid.
oaklandking
G-League
i loved him his first season but after that he didnt really impress me
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
If you want Ron Artest to be the mentor for your young guys...
It just takes a bit. Watch how my grade theme progresses this time. New Orleans "threw away" Baron Davis as they got their rebuild going. Orlando "threw away" Tracy McGrady. The Lakers threw away Shaq. Sometimes you have to clear out the old to make room for the new. There was no room for young leaders to grow or a stable culture to form while you had a dominant unstable veteran presence in the way. He is trouble even on an established team with strong leadership at the top. But dominating a bunch of kids? He had to go so we could get on with things. The lack of return is an indication of the esteem to which he was held around the league, not our choice.
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