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Ironically, a lot of those players have a large role with the NBAPA. They'll take their digs at the league whenever possible.

While it's physically impossible to rig the lottery, fans also forget how many people are in the room when the lottery is determined. There are lawyers, security people and reps from every franchise. You may be able to pull the wool over one person's eyes but not 50.

The previous posters pretty much have it correct but I'll go a bit further. The 1,000 number combinations that are assigned to the various teams are physically placed on a large board in the back room. They aren't in some computer where Stern can just access some lottery rigging software. This is important because they are up there in written form, not electronic, long before the balls are picked out of a hopper. This way, Stern can't just electronically switch the number combos without someone seeing him do it.

From there, the balls come out of the hopper. Everyone in the room gets to touch each ball to make sure none of them are weighted or engineered to come out of the hopper quicker, if that is even possible in the first place.

No station in their right mind would televise this as it's arguably the most boring idea for television and as other posters have noted, it would take all the fun out because we would find out the first pick first and then so on as opposed to reverse order which makes for why the lottery is so fun to watch. Proving that there is no fix is easy when people are in a room and can touch and monitor the balls and the board all at once. Doing it on TV is trickier because a camera would have to pan over all 1,000 number combos to prove that they are all different and even then, nobody could touch the balls to make sure they all weigh the same and what not.

That being said, they should upload it to the internet. Maybe even NBA.com could do it since they are the organization with the credibility at stake. Maybe don't upload it until the actual national tv version is finished and then if someone wants to waste 2 hours of their life watching on the net, they will now have that option.
 
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While I don't think its likely to be rigged don't be fooled into thinking it couldn't be just because the magician lets you touch the hat.

With the miniaturization of electronics and an almost trivial amount of wire on the inside of the walls of each ball so they are all still the same weight I could setup an electromagnetic solution to spit out the ball I want no matter how many are in the machine. It would not be 100% accurate but the possibility of tampering is there.
 
While I don't think its likely to be rigged don't be fooled into thinking it couldn't be just because the magician lets you touch the hat.

With the miniaturization of electronics and an almost trivial amount of wire on the inside of the walls of each ball so they are all still the same weight I could setup an electromagnetic solution to spit out the ball I want no matter how many are in the machine. It would not be 100% accurate but the possibility of tampering is there.

Okay, so now who is manufacturing your 1000 specially designed scifi ping pong balls, and again how the hell do you plan to keep this quiet? What? NOBODY talks? EVER?

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Okay, so now who is manufacturing your 1000 specially designed scifi ping pong balls, and again how the hell do you plan to keep this quiet? What? NOBODY talks? EVER?

That's why I said I don't think it happens but its not like it physically can't.

As for the manufacturing its not a great leap if you want to put money in it. Do you own a Bluetooth ear bud? Now strip the mic and speaker from that then cut down the size of the battery and then take away a lot of the chips capabilities cause you only need to turn on and off to a unique id. Now take the prototype and make it as small as you can. Like I said I personally could do it but it would be detectable and not 100% accurate because I wouldn't drop money into it.

Again I don't think this or any other method is used to cheat but that doesn't mean this or some other method couldn't be used to cheat if its worth enough to someone. People have been fooling other people with what they see forever.
 
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That's why I said I don't think it happens but its not like it physically can't.

As for the manufacturing its not a great leap if you want to put money in it. Do you own a Bluetooth ear bud? Now strip the mic and speaker from that then cut down the size of the battery and then take away a lot of the chips capabilities cause you only need to turn on and off to a unique id. Now take the prototype and make it as small as you can. Like I said I personally could do it but it would be detectable and not 100% accurate because I wouldn't drop money into it.

Again I don't think this or any other method is used to cheat but that doesn't mean this or some other method couldn't be used to cheat if its worth enough to someone. People have been fooling other people with what they see forever.

So naturally, after the NBA goes tot he trouble of doctoring all of these balls in some huge conspiracy they simply go and...give the doctored balls to winning GM Dell Demps?

Here's Zach Lowe's inside story from the draft (link):

Demps tentatively asked a league official if he might open the machine and take the four lottery balls as souvenirs. The official laughed and nodded. Demps scurried over, pried open the door and removed the random numbers that will deliver Davis to the Hornets.

And see - it's not a rumor, he got them!

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Yep. So after this big conspiracy to put fine-scale electronics in the middle of these balls that somehow magically allow them to respond specifically to a magnetic field, the league is going to just give them up as souvenirs with the risk that they could be opened and the entire conspiracy unmasked. Yep. Makes sooooooooo much sense.
 
So naturally, after the NBA goes tot he trouble of doctoring all of these balls in some huge conspiracy they simply go and...give the doctored balls to winning GM Dell Demps?

Here's Zach Lowe's inside story from the draft (link):



And see - it's not a rumor, he got them!


Yep. So after this big conspiracy to put fine-scale electronics in the middle of these balls that somehow magically allow them to respond specifically to a magnetic field, the league is going to just give them up as souvenirs with the risk that they could be opened and the entire conspiracy unmasked. Yep. Makes sooooooooo much sense.

Someone said its physically impossible to cheat with an air powered lottery machine and I was disagreeing that it is physically impossible to cheat. I didn't say that they did cheat.
 
So naturally, after the NBA goes tot he trouble of doctoring all of these balls in some huge conspiracy they simply go and...give the doctored balls to winning GM Dell Demps?

Here's Zach Lowe's inside story from the draft (link):



And see - it's not a rumor, he got them!

11123107-large.jpg


Yep. So after this big conspiracy to put fine-scale electronics in the middle of these balls that somehow magically allow them to respond specifically to a magnetic field, the league is going to just give them up as souvenirs with the risk that they could be opened and the entire conspiracy unmasked. Yep. Makes sooooooooo much sense.

Silly Captain! Don't you remember Mission Impossible? The "fine-scale electronics" gizmo thingies self-destruct right after the balls drop.

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Okay, so now who is manufacturing your 1000 specially designed scifi ping pong balls, and again how the hell do you plan to keep this quiet? What? NOBODY talks? EVER?

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It's wouldnt be rigged in the sense that specific ball combination comes up. It would be more like how much would it take for X team to get the number one pick. Pay off the teams with money or other incentives.
 
It's wouldnt be rigged in the sense that specific ball combination comes up. It would be more like how much would it take for X team to get the number one pick. Pay off the teams with money or other incentives.

All it takes is for one rep from the paid off team to spill the beans and the NBA would have a massive scandal on their hands. Stern wouldn't go for that in a million years.
 
Someone said its physically impossible to cheat with an air powered lottery machine and I was disagreeing that it is physically impossible to cheat. I didn't say that they did cheat.

Ok, I see what you're saying but I think even you would agree that the league doesn't go those lengths. You even said so yourself. I guess I could change my post from "impossible" to "highly unlikely". Scientists have examined these balls in previous lotteries and it would be pretty easy to detect a magnetic capability. I'm guessing that there a plenty of machines out there that would send off a senser if a doctored ball tried to make it through.

Stern knows that there are way too many techies out there who would want access to Demps' balls for him to pull off such a stunt.
 
It's wouldnt be rigged in the sense that specific ball combination comes up. It would be more like how much would it take for X team to get the number one pick. Pay off the teams with money or other incentives.


Given the overwhelming marketing power that a superstar provides, there is not enough money in the national debt to do what you you are suggesting. How much, do you think, it would take to buy off Michael Jordan, owner of the worst team in NBA history, and convince him to accept an also ran rather than a superstar by hype? How much would Nathony Davis have been worth his franchise in ticket sales and advertising, not to mention fame and reputation? Unless the NBA has a bunch of $100mil+ slush accounts hidden off somewhere to pay for all these lottery fixing they do there is just no way. The very overwhelming power of an NBA superstar that forced the league to go to a lottery system in the first place is also the greatest protector of the system. Its desperately important for teams to draft that guy, and so the possibility of anybody being complicit in not getting to do so shrinks down toward zero in a hurry.
 
New Oleans deserved to win more than we did. It's tough for us but its the luck of the draw.

You know its not fixed because it would cost the league office, Sterns, and the league too, too much in the one thing worth more than noney - trust, confidence, pride, reputation, etc., etc., etc.

We've got the fifth pick.
 
Given the overwhelming marketing power that a superstar provides, there is not enough money in the national debt to do what you you are suggesting. How much, do you think, it would take to buy off Michael Jordan, owner of the worst team in NBA history, and convince him to accept an also ran rather than a superstar by hype? How much would Nathony Davis have been worth his franchise in ticket sales and advertising, not to mention fame and reputation? Unless the NBA has a bunch of $100mil+ slush accounts hidden off somewhere to pay for all these lottery fixing they do there is just no way. The very overwhelming power of an NBA superstar that forced the league to go to a lottery system in the first place is also the greatest protector of the system. Its desperately important for teams to draft that guy, and so the possibility of anybody being complicit in not getting to do so shrinks down toward zero in a hurry.

I think the Maloofs would want the money rather than the player. :)
 
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