Hypothetical trade - Your thoughts

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This is just one of those too-much-time during the off-season scenarios, but with Ainge losing out on the fake Iverson sweepstakes I thought Bibby might interest him. A starting line-up of Bibby, Pierce, Wally S., Gomes and Perkins would be a ton better than they were last season.

I also think that next year would be a good year for the Kings to play a bunch of younger players and to get a solid lottery pick. Not to be a pessimist, but I think that Houston, Utah and NOK have a strong chance to be better than the team we have put together right now. I also would love to kick team dime out of Sacramento as they are crap.



Sacramento Trade Breakdown Outgoing
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Mike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
21.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.4 apg in 38.6 minutes Incoming
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Theo Ratliff
6-10 C from Wyoming
4.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 23.7 minutes
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Al Jefferson
6-10 PF from Prentiss (HS)
7.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.0 minutes
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Delonte West
6-4 PG from St. Joseph's
11.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.6 apg in 34.1 minutesChange in team outlook: +3.5 ppg, +11.4 rpg, and +0.2 apg.
Boston Trade Breakdown Outgoing Theo Ratliff
6-10 C from Wyoming
4.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 23.7 minutes Al Jefferson
6-10 PF from Prentiss (HS)
7.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.0 minutes Delonte West
6-4 PG from St. Joseph's
11.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.6 apg in 34.1 minutes Incoming Mike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
21.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.4 apg in 38.6 minutesChange in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, -11.4 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

Successful ScenarioDue to Sacramento and Boston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Boston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade IDEvery trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 3330928.
 
I think we could do better with Bibby and could get a better big than Jefferson. But if Petrie's pretty sure Bibby is going to opt out and feels he's going to be overpaid this wouldn't be a terrible deal.

But then again, if Bibby does opt out of his deal and we decide not to re-sign him the Kings will be $15 million under the cap. Shed Kenny's deal for an expiring and that's $23 million under the cap. Between cap space and this deal I might take cap space.
 
I would consider that deal. I think Bibby could very well be moved by the deadline if there is a chance of losing him at the end of the season for nothing. I think signing a guy like Salmons and drafting a guy like Douby shows they may be preparing for Bibby's departure.
 
Not another Webber type trade. If we give up Bibby, it should be for another at least as good - or better and add KT (and Bonzi) :) .

Something tells me Brick is gonna hate this one.
 
I don't think Bibby will give up 15mil just start all over at around 8 or 9 million again.
 
Bibby's not going to opt out.

That said, if the season was dissapointing and the plan was to retool+go for a shot at Oden, I'd consider this.

Then say, ship Brad/Kenny/Pot to Orlando for Darko/Hill's contract/1st round pick and you're in full rebuild mode with a chance to make some noise in the lottery, and few years down the road with a core of West/Martin/Garcia/Artest/Jefferson/Darko/Oden???
 
In addition, if we missed out on Oden, there's a number of other intriguing big men next year including Joakim Noah, Tiaggo Splitter, Josh McRoberts, al Horford and Spencer Hawes.

That said, rebuilding mode, while of course unlikely considering Petrie's track record of sticking conservative, would also probably bode poorly for the arena deal as well.
 
I am not a big fan of this deal. Bibby's not going to opt out. (Speaking of which, according to realgm, Bibby's contract is listed as "early termination", and not as player or team option. Is that termination by mutual agreement, or something else? Can someone explain it? :confused:) Al Jefferson and Delonte West both become free agents the same year as Kevin Martin, so the Kings won't have the money to keep them anyway, especially given the recent track record of the Maloofs letting free agents go to stay under the luxury cap.

Moreover, even without Bibby, I doubt that the Kings would drop low enough to get a high enough pick to get the likes of a Joakim Noah or Tiago Splitter type prospect. In today's NBA, rebuilding is not an easy thing; why would, for example, the Magic have any motivation to trade for the contracts of Kenny and Brad and give up draft picks and young talent? The Webber trade is a reminder that really the only thing you can get with bloated contracts nowadays are other bloated contracts in return. Well, unless you're trading with Isaiah, but he's going to get fired anyway, so that point will be moot soon.
 
Never mind. Just read from espn.com the difference between early termination and player option--the first means if you decline to terminate the contract early, the contract remains effective, and the second means if you decline the option, you become a free agent.
 
Reading espn.com's top 25 free agents going into next season Bibby was ranked like 8th and they said if he has a good season odds are he will opt out and test the market because if he doesnt and waits 2 or 3 years and his play declines he might miss his last "big payday".
 
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Kingsin07 said:
I'm in favor of this deal as long as Bibby isn't part of it. His defense is way too good.
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I have to assume your joking. Right. Anyway, Bibby is probably the only big contract player on the team that is easily tradeable. I'm not opposed to trading him if you get something in return that makes a significiant difference on the team for the better.

Contrary to the stupid power rankings, I beleive this team is a playoff team. How high a seed? I have no idea until I know who makes up the team on opening day. Now if you want to package Bibby and another player for, lets say Garnet, hey, I'm with you. But for a washed up center and chump change. No thanks.....
 
Kingzrool said:
Not another Webber type trade. If we give up Bibby, it should be for another at least as good - or better and add KT (and Bonzi) :) .

Something tells me Brick is gonna hate this one.
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Not so much. Those aren't random midlevel vets there, but some young talent. I'm far from enthused about the idea, but if we really were going to swing into a rebuilding mode, THAT is how you do it -- trade vets for youth with some potential. You just have to understand as a franchise and a fanbase that making the playoffs becomes a real chore (and possibly even a counterproductive one) while the kiddies grow up. In a deal like everything would depend on those kids becoming something, or of course you got jobbed. But at least in West and Jefferson you have young pieces who COULD make it worthwhile by improving.
 
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Assumption correct. Bibby's defense is garbage, but I wouldn't trade him unless there was a legitimate starter coming back in return.
 
GMs get FIRED for making trades like these...what do u think Geoff Petrie sits around and says "Gee poor Danny Ainge couldnt get A.I., so let me help him out and send Mike Bibby - the BEST shooter of all point guards in the NBA for a bunch of semi-decent part-time players on a 33 win ballclub?

Remember, the league is about STAR players, not roster filler.
 
bench_blob said:
GMs get FIRED for making trades like these...what do u think Geoff Petrie sits around and says "Gee poor Danny Ainge couldnt get A.I., so let me help him out and send Mike Bibby - the BEST shooter of all point guards in the NBA for a bunch of semi-decent part-time players on a 33 win ballclub?

Remember, the league is about STAR players, not roster filler.
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Best shooter of all point guards in the NBA?? By what measure? Heck, Bibby's not even the best shooter in this trade -- Delonte West shot .486% and .385% from three to Bibby's .432% and .386%. Even if you account for the fact that Bibby takes more shots that's still a pretty big gulf.

West's problem is that he's not the distributor that Bibby is, but if you want to go based on shooting alone I'll take West.
 
bench_blob said:
GMs get FIRED for making trades like these...what do u think Geoff Petrie sits around and says "Gee poor Danny Ainge couldnt get A.I., so let me help him out and send Mike Bibby - the BEST shooter of all point guards in the NBA for a bunch of semi-decent part-time players on a 33 win ballclub?

Remember, the league is about STAR players, not roster filler.
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We have enough "moveable pieces" and talent dumps on this team. While I think Bibby is paid too much, especially for his lack of defense; I want to see how he does with a decent backup to give him some more rest. If we trade Bibby it's for another good player as in Ray Allen or AI, or someone like that, not some young potentially good scrubs. We have enough young 1-3 position guys now. You need a mix of young and aged leadership talent.
 
Troy said:
We have enough "moveable pieces" and talent dumps on this team. While I think Bibby is paid too much, especially for his lack of defense; I want to see how he does with a decent backup to give him some more rest. If we trade Bibby it's for another good player as in Ray Allen or AI, or someone like that, not some young potentially good scrubs. We have enough young 1-3 position guys now. You need a mix of young and aged leadership talent.
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and if... lets say the team w/ the 1st pick next year offers it for bibby..?
 
Both teams would probably say no. I don't think the deal really helps us and Boston is staying with their young talent.

If we trade Bibby it should be to GET BETTER, like trading him with someone else for a superstar like KG. Not for some spare parts/young players.
 
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