How much trade value does Brad Miller have?

[walker60]

Completely agree. Its almost like because the draft order is not obvious people think that means its deep. A lot of second rounders are going to squeek into the first round and the guaranteed contracts that come with it.

I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you both. I understand the 'gap year' and I believe that has lead to this draft having a weak lottery, but not having as harmful of an effect on the rest of the draft as you might think. Picks 8-30 I really don't see a huge difference in talent. There is some quality players that might even go undrafted. This draft sin't a very good one, but it does have some depth to it. ESPN's draft expert Chad Ford agrees when he lists a bunch of players who will probably go undrafted:

"The quality of this list demonstrates how unusual this draft is. While it is not strong at the top (especially in the mid-to-late lottery range), the 2006 draft does have tremendous depth.

For a team looking to pick up a rotation player, a second-round pick could be meaningful this year. For a lottery team looking to pick up a potential starter in the mid-to-late lottery, there will be better luck in 2007, which is shaping up to be a very strong year for the draft. Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2427786

Im not saying we sell the farm to get a second rounder, or even look to trade for one, but if one fell into our laps it wouldn't be a bad idea to to go ahead and take it. Most second rounders amount to nothing but this year maybe we would be able to pick up a big man who could find his way into our rotation...

 

[Gary]

There are a lot of fringe prospects that have signs of potential...

Johan Petro: He came on late in the year when all their big men went down and played pretty well. He blocks shots, and can score a little. Plays good D, but gets into foul trouble. Not a bad FT shooter, but needs to improve a bit.

Kendrick Perkins: A young guy so still has room to grow (but you can't teach size!) In the last 20 games of the season avg 2bpg 8rpg in about 20 minutes per game.. Still needs to learn to score though.

Darko Milicic: Probally out of our reach now, but I would go straight up Brad for Darko. As a 35+ minute starter he could be man in the middle for us for years to come. Would probally lead the league in block shots, and probally be a 10+rpg guy, and a 10+ppg guy. The 10/10 is OK but the interior D blocking shots is where we need him.

Primoz Brezec: I would take him for Brad .Seems to do more of the "dirty work" that Brad did his first year with us.

Samuel Dalembert: Straight up for Brad in a heart beat. He has the tools we are looking for at Center.

Dan Gadzuric: They have Bogut now. Give us this guy.


This is pretty muchg a short list, but you all get my drift. These guys of course would not be traded straight up for Brad (except Darko) but someone we might be able to "steal" as an extra player as part of a trade!

 

[West_Gunslinger16]

There are a lot of fringe prospects that have signs of potential...

Johan Petro: He came on late in the year when all their big men went down and played pretty well. He blocks shots, and can score a little. Plays good D, but gets into foul trouble. Not a bad FT shooter, but needs to improve a bit.

Kendrick Perkins: A young guy so still has room to grow (but you can't teach size!) In the last 20 games of the season avg 2bpg 8rpg in about 20 minutes per game.. Still needs to learn to score though.

Darko Milicic: Probally out of our reach now, but I would go straight up Brad for Darko. As a 35+ minute starter he could be man in the middle for us for years to come. Would probally lead the league in block shots, and probally be a 10+rpg guy, and a 10+ppg guy. The 10/10 is OK but the interior D blocking shots is where we need him.

We agree in so many things. Especially Milicic.

 

[atxrocker]

I agree, Gary in regards to Dalembert

 

[LPKingsFan]

You would trade Brad straight up for Gadz? We could probably get him for Kenny Thomas. Come on now.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you both. I understand the 'gap year' and I believe that has lead to this draft having a weak lottery, but not having as harmful of an effect on the rest of the draft as you might think. Picks 8-30 I really don't see a huge difference in talent. There is some quality players that might even go undrafted. This draft sin't a very good one, but it does have some depth to it. ESPN's draft expert Chad Ford agrees when he lists a bunch of players who will probably go undrafted:

"The quality of this list demonstrates how unusual this draft is. While it is not strong at the top (especially in the mid-to-late lottery range), the 2006 draft does have tremendous depth.

For a team looking to pick up a rotation player, a second-round pick could be meaningful this year. For a lottery team looking to pick up a potential starter in the mid-to-late lottery, there will be better luck in 2007, which is shaping up to be a very strong year for the draft. Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2427786

Im not saying we sell the farm to get a second rounder, or even look to trade for one, but if one fell into our laps it wouldn't be a bad idea to to go ahead and take it. Most second rounders amount to nothing but this year maybe we would be able to pick up a big man who could find his way into our rotation...

Doesn't this prove my point from my "Trade down in the draft" thread?

 

[Bricklayer]

Primoz Brezec: I would take him for Brad .Seems to do more of the "dirty work" that Brad did his first year with us.

Er....where did that come from? The rest of the guys you mentioned, sure. All varying degrees of interesting, if not all starters. But Brezec?? As a dirty work guy?

Might be the one player in the NBA that makes Brad look like Big Ben in comparison.

 

[Amanjoy]

I like Anderson Varejao. He's a monster performer waiting to explode. And his passion for his team and his game is as good as Divac's. He needs improvement but he's a very promising player.

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The more I watch Varejao, the more I like him too, but the way he's playing right now for the Cavs is going to make it hard to convince Cleveland to get rid of him for just backup guys. I liked the idea though.

 

[West_Gunslinger16]

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The more I watch Varejao, the more I like him too, but the way he's playing right now for the Cavs is going to make it hard to convince Cleveland to get rid of him for just backup guys. I liked the idea though.

See what I mean? And not only that, he's Divac Reborn. He's going to be good for our team. He will get along with Bibby,Artest and Wells easily if we have him.

Now, say a little prayer for Cavs so we can get this guy.

 

[Gary]

You would trade Brad straight up for Gadz? We could probably get him for Kenny Thomas. Come on now.

No, the only guys that I would have traded straight up for Brad was Darko, or Dalembert.

 

[Gary]

Er....where did that come from? The rest of the guys you mentioned, sure. All varying degrees of interesting, if not all starters. But Brezec?? As a dirty work guy?

Might be the one player in the NBA that makes Brad look like Big Ben in comparison.

OK OK BAD EXAMPLE lol. I am just ticked about Brad's lack of offensive rebounding. Brezec at least is inside to have a chance to get one, where as Brad was always out about 15ft from the basket when someone takes a shot.

Kind of off topic, but anyone know much about Reggie Evans. I know he rebounds with the best of them, would he be a good guy off the bench? Can he play D?

 

[Kings113]

Reggie's a great rebounder/hustler, has a bit of a post-game now, but here's a report on him from a Seattle fan:

Posted on: May 9 2006, 09:51 PM

Well, living in Seattle, and having seen probably way more Reggie Evans for the last few years than most folks here, looking at the boxscores to determine Reggies value is *exactly* the problem.

Rebounding and defense are not the same thing. Reggie rebounds. Great...but he's a less than average man or help defender, he's undersized and does not block shots, he's a complete liability on offense and although he does provide energy, it gets the team into trouble with fouls and turnovers as often as it provides a lift.

He's a purely one dimensional player. Look at his "plus/minus" rating for some clues.

In 2005, for Seattle/Denver, his teams were a -6.8 when reggie was on the floor, which was among the worst for anybody on the Nuggets that played any type of minutes.

In 2004-5 for Seattle, he was marginally better, only -3.1 composite plus/minus.

There were reasons why, even last year, towards the end of the year, Reggie sat more and more. Take a look at his minutes, and you'll see that for the last 2-3 years Reggie has virutally never played in the stretch minutes, because he simply hurts your team more than he helps it on average.

Earl Watson is a quality NBA point guard, and you cannot convince me that a one-dimensional Evans, who you will not see play major minutes for Denver, and Patterson who is on the downhill slope of an ok career, was good value for Watson.

From same guy:

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:22 pm
Yeah, I will add this. Evans can rebound....sure. That's swell, until you realize that he's not only foul prone, as pointed out but rebound =/ defense.

Evans leaves his defensive assignments constantly to cherry pick rebounds, and as a consequence nearly any time he is on the floor, your opposing PF and C are having a field day, offensively. Second, beyond leaving his man to rebound, Evans is not a good man defender. He lacks quickness, size and quick hands. So, he just goes through the motions and then leaves his man early to rebound.

Now, take his offensive "game" into consideration. He's incapable of hitting a shot outside of 6-8'. He's nearly spastic when he gets an offensive board and half the time throws up a bad put back attempt instead of kicking the ball back out. He is shooting 37% this year, at PF. That's disgraceful. He shot 50% last year, sure...but that was an aberration. Additionally he's a career 53% Free Throw shooter. If you're Shaq, you can get away with that. Reggie cannot.

I'll conclude my anti-Reggie rant by pointing out that in a career average of 20 minutes per game...Reggie averages a half an assist per game, and over twice as many turnovers. He also averages, for his career .2 blocks per game. At PF.

So, lets recap. on a per 40min/game average, he'll get you this stat line (based on career averages):

8 points, 14 rebounds, 1 assist, 2-3 turnovers, 0 blocks, 3 fouls and shoot 40something percent doing it.

You can find 25, 30 PF's in the NBA right now, maybe more...who are more productive and help the team more.

Enjoy.

Maybe some bias...

But, I'd get him for as energy big, but probably not a major back-up like SAR would be/was, or a starter. Certainly better bigs to get in front of him though.

 

[VF21]

And isn't his free throw percentage somewhere in the Shaq neighborhood?

 

[LPKingsFan]

Gary: Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. I was scared for a second!

 

[Troy]

I like Anderson Varejao. He's a monster performer waiting to explode. And his passion for his team and his game is as good as Divac's. He needs improvement but he's a very promising player.

He's been on my short list for awhile. The guy is full of energy and hustle, definately something we can use. He mistakenly slugged his teammate while he was hugging another teamate. Kind of funny, but I got to see him when they showed the mistaken contact. The guy is good, it will be hard to get him away from the Cavs as I think they see how he is and will be down the road.