How much time?
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I spent a fair amount of time watching (games, not relatively meaningless highlights). During the season, you could watch them here: http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/wash-m-baskbl-sched.html
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I'm not sure whether there's anything much archived there in terms of viewable or listenable media, but there are a lot of good stats, box scores, and so on, for those who are interested.
P.S. - I'm listening to Washington vs. Washington State now, so apparently some multimedia archives do exist.
Free registration is required for some features to be available, and IE is required for full multimedia support.
I'm not sure whether there's anything much archived there in terms of viewable or listenable media, but there are a lot of good stats, box scores, and so on, for those who are interested.
P.S. - I'm listening to Washington vs. Washington State now, so apparently some multimedia archives do exist.
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uolj
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To all those who have seen him play, does he actually bring good defense and rebounding?
The reason I ask is that most scouting reports of him state that he is not very good in those areas for a center. The scouting reports are what many fans are basing their disappointment on. So if the scouting reports are wrong, then it makes sense to question whether people have seen him play.
On the other hand, if the scouting reports are right (great offensive skills, suspect defense and rebounding), then who cares if we've seen him or not when our opinions are based on those facts.
The reason I ask is that most scouting reports of him state that he is not very good in those areas for a center. The scouting reports are what many fans are basing their disappointment on. So if the scouting reports are wrong, then it makes sense to question whether people have seen him play.
On the other hand, if the scouting reports are right (great offensive skills, suspect defense and rebounding), then who cares if we've seen him or not when our opinions are based on those facts.
Like I mentioned a couple days back, I went to a Pac-10 school, and pretty much exclusively watch Pac-10 ball when I watch college. Washington was on TV a bunch last year, probably 3rd to Arizona and UCLA. having access to a sports bar made their games even easier to watch.
I estimate that I saw them about 20 times last year, second only to my beloved Stanford.
He truly is a refined post player, and getting better everyday. I think he is a better help side defender than he gets credit for (though still onyl average). He has long arms (even for a big man), and he did average nearly 2 blocks a game despite his lack of athleticism. He had trouble guarding centers who put it on the floor, but that is much more common in college than the NBA. Quicker centers will give him trouble. I think he is a very good post defender (really shined in his three games against Lopez and Gray). Plus, I think that will improve as he gets stronger.
Rebounding is a big issue. 6.4 in 28 minutes is not good for a 7 footer, but he was sick for a portion of the year, came off the bench to start the season, and had the predictable adjustment period early. I think he averaged 18/8/2 blocks in his last 12 or so games, playing about 30 minutes. Also, played next to John Brockman who is the Pac-10 version of Dwight Howard/Reggie Evans/Dennis Rodman. Just an absolute terror on the glass. I know people hate excuses, but it is hard to grab boards next to a garbage man. Still, at this point and time without more training and development it is hard to see him getting more than 7 to 8 a game.
Plus, Husky coaching staff said that in his year in Seattle he grew an inch and a quarter, so he might not be done growing...
He won't be an All-Star, but I think Chris Kaman, Rik Smits, Vlade Divac are all appropriate comparisons. This guy is a HARD HARD worker and has great work ethic. Plus, he has an NBA dad who is always pushing him to improve
I estimate that I saw them about 20 times last year, second only to my beloved Stanford.
He truly is a refined post player, and getting better everyday. I think he is a better help side defender than he gets credit for (though still onyl average). He has long arms (even for a big man), and he did average nearly 2 blocks a game despite his lack of athleticism. He had trouble guarding centers who put it on the floor, but that is much more common in college than the NBA. Quicker centers will give him trouble. I think he is a very good post defender (really shined in his three games against Lopez and Gray). Plus, I think that will improve as he gets stronger.
Rebounding is a big issue. 6.4 in 28 minutes is not good for a 7 footer, but he was sick for a portion of the year, came off the bench to start the season, and had the predictable adjustment period early. I think he averaged 18/8/2 blocks in his last 12 or so games, playing about 30 minutes. Also, played next to John Brockman who is the Pac-10 version of Dwight Howard/Reggie Evans/Dennis Rodman. Just an absolute terror on the glass. I know people hate excuses, but it is hard to grab boards next to a garbage man. Still, at this point and time without more training and development it is hard to see him getting more than 7 to 8 a game.
Plus, Husky coaching staff said that in his year in Seattle he grew an inch and a quarter, so he might not be done growing...
He won't be an All-Star, but I think Chris Kaman, Rik Smits, Vlade Divac are all appropriate comparisons. This guy is a HARD HARD worker and has great work ethic. Plus, he has an NBA dad who is always pushing him to improve
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RaY Z
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hope this gives all the suidcidal people hope... lets just wait and see how he turns out. I for one am excited to add another young talented player to the team.
Bricklayer
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I am of two minds about Hawes and still hope he can realize the upper end of his potential, but institutionalizing poor rebounding and defense is hardly a cause for hope. At least when you see it practiced by Brad you know/hope its a temporary much maligned phenomenon that will eventually be dealt away. But when it comes attached to a 19 yr old kid who might be your long term starting center, that means that you could literally spend a decade watching team after team after team for your franchise start the season having to try to compensate for a built in weakness in exactly a set of traits in which you do not want to be weak. I think I would be less concerned if our front office had ever shown any particular valuation of rebounding as a primary trait. Basically you need all your other frontcorut guys who get minutes to be superior board guys to cover for the one big scoring specialist. As with Smits: put Dale and Antonio Davis around him.
I am greatly looking forward to this mythical monster we are going to find to play PF. If he's really such a ferocious stud that he's going to be able to singlehandedly cover up for all of OUR sins, the guy is going to be an absolute beast and quite possibly instantly my favorite King of all time.
Now for the minor little detail of actually finding him. I'm thinking a nice rainforest in or around Congo perhaps. Big furry guy. Large, sharp teeth. Don't be alarmed by the silver hair on his back -- he'll still look younger than Oden.
I am greatly looking forward to this mythical monster we are going to find to play PF. If he's really such a ferocious stud that he's going to be able to singlehandedly cover up for all of OUR sins, the guy is going to be an absolute beast and quite possibly instantly my favorite King of all time.
Now for the minor little detail of actually finding him. I'm thinking a nice rainforest in or around Congo perhaps. Big furry guy. Large, sharp teeth. Don't be alarmed by the silver hair on his back -- he'll still look younger than Oden.
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Bricklayer
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Vlade was a much better rebounder and shotblocker than people give him credit for in Kingsland, largely because he was old by the time he reaches Sacto (or headed that way) and was fading in those areas. But he had multiple season at 10+rebs, and several at over 2blks/gm as well. In his prime, a much more complete player than Hawes is projected to be.
As an aside, Vlade is comfrotably in retirement, but wonder if he would consider coming to town over the summer to tutor Hawes at all? Givne the games, be hard to ask for a better tutor.
As an aside, Vlade is comfrotably in retirement, but wonder if he would consider coming to town over the summer to tutor Hawes at all? Givne the games, be hard to ask for a better tutor.
He's actually not retired. He works with realMadrid. Oh, okay... he's retired and getting a paycheck for doing something he loves anyway.
I'd love to see him come back as a coach for Hawes. If I still have the email for one of the Serbian journalists I used to hear from, maybe I should drop him a line and suggest it?
HndsmCelt
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Amen! from what I saw of Hawes he is a smart player with good foot work, boxed out well and seemed to really know the game so he COULD lear to compensate for his afinity for gravity. He may never be a double double average guy but he could well improve his own numbers AND the over all team numbers on the boards. Same goes with his defense. He stays infront of his man and tends to get good position, the problem is letting the ofenisve player lead him and some bad hand habits that no doubt will translate into fouls. But agin he can improve his defense and with a few VLade type low post manuvers could net his fair share of offensive fouls and traveling calls on oponents.
I say bring back Vlade as assistant coach!
I'm glad someone posted this because I was thinking the same thing. I'm a Pac-10 fan and despite being in the Pac NW I only watched a small amount of UW games and never with Hawes in mind as a future King. He was off my radar until the last few weeks. Which is why even though this pick doesn't have me jumping out of my seat I'm willing to wait until he's here for a while before I pass judgement. The early poll results seem to indicate that most people are judging by box scores and a few minutes of web video alone. Since most analysts actually ranked Hawes right around where we got him I suspect he has a lot more to offer.
kupman
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I am glad you agree with me...it does not happen around here much.
I have been listening and reading what people have been saying about this guy and I have heard a lot of strong emotion and opinion. But, it got me thinking. What do we really know about him? I doubt that there are many Kings fans who also watched a lot of Huskie games this year. Therefore, we are forced to rely on the information that we get from draft analysts with whom we often disagree. Furthermore, how much can anyone really know about a 19 year-old. He has at least another 4-5 years of physical maturation ahead of him. Therefore, who he is and who he will become has a big unknown factor. It could be a lot of fun to watch the mystery unfold good, bad or ugly.
I think whoever we picked there was going to be a lot of kicking and screaming. We weren't in a very desireable position - perhaps not quite enough to offer to move up and too low a pick to move down for multiple picks. With Bibby's option it makes him difficult to move until next week even though he may have otherwise been a better fit in Boston who seemed to be the only team happy to give away their pick for a 2-3 year rental on an aging vet.I am glad you agree with me...it does not happen around here much.
I have been listening and reading what people have been saying about this guy and I have heard a lot of strong emotion and opinion. But, it got me thinking. What do we really know about him? I doubt that there are many Kings fans who also watched a lot of Huskie games this year. Therefore, we are forced to rely on the information that we get from draft analysts with whom we often disagree. Furthermore, how much can anyone really know about a 19 year-old. He has at least another 4-5 years of physical maturation ahead of him. Therefore, who he is and who he will become has a big unknown factor. It could be a lot of fun to watch the mystery unfold good, bad or ugly.
I do know that people have advocated bringing in some pretty mediocre centers over the past 2-3 seasons and I find it hard to believe Hawes can be any worse than some of those guys. At the very least we're getting a legitimate 7 footer who wasn't passed over 60 times in the draft and by lord knows how many more attractive teams before settling on us as a summer workout team and we'll have him locked up for 3-4 years at a fair price. Now we can focus our efforts on finding a legitimate starter at PF and a long term replacement for Bibby and by the time those positions are settled hopefully we'll have a good read on Hawes. These things just don't sort themselves out over night.
SacTownKid
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He better at least be 3rd in the PF/C rotation. He needs minutes and we would be doing a major diservice to him and us to give him Douby/Garcia minutes.
I am greatly looking forward to this mythical monster we are going to find to play PF. If he's really such a ferocious stud that he's going to be able to singlehandedly cover up for all of OUR sins, the guy is going to be an absolute beast and quite possibly instantly my favorite King of all time.
Now for the minor little detail of actually finding him. I'm thinking a nice rainforest in or around Congo perhaps. Big furry guy. Large, sharp teeth. Don't be alarmed by the silver hair on his back -- he'll still look younger than Oden.
LOL- now THAT was funny! Rumor has it that his wingspan is 12 feet, and it is really a "wing span" because he will be able to fly and literally swoop in to contest shots.
I'm glad you brought this up, because if the future does involve Hawes and Martin, the other three guys need to be good/great defenders. I think Hawes and martin can be solid team defenders (ala the 2002 Kings that defended well as a team), but you can't have too many weak links in the defense and still play good team D. The PG must be able to stop penetration, and you must have a shotblocker in the back. Of course, this is getting way ahead of ourselves, but your point is valid- defense can't come from one man- everyone needs to contribute (just ask Ron).
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