How do you feel about Theus so far?

[Gary]

I really don't like the direction he is taking. I would like to see Hawes and Douby played alot more then they are. Sadly, Kings games are not about winning these days. That is secondary. This team is about developing its talent. I do not see that happenning. So, I cannot vote that I like what he is doing. I am not indifferent to what he is doing, however, so the second option is out too. Therefore, I voted for the negative option, though I do not see him as a lousy coach. That is way too strong.

First of all Theus is not here to develop young players. Theus is here to win, whether it be with d-league players, or superstars. theus is supposed to give time to the players he feels gives him the best chance to win on any given night. So to say he should just be developing young players and shouldn't try to win is crazy talk.

But I do at the same time think he should play Hawes a bit more (maybe 15-20 mins and not pull him at the first sign of a mistake). Also think he should play JW, but it looks like Artest stole his spot as backup PF when Mikki is on the bench.

 

[dude12]

I think there is a huge difference between "excuses" and "reasons."

Your post makes no sense to me. You say you want results NOW and then proceed to offer up as examples the Celtics and the Magic, who both took a lot of bad years to get results "now." Also, give Garnett and Pierce or Dwight Howard to Reggie and I suspect his coaching would look a lot better.

As to the Pistons, they have the same coach and pretty much the same players who have played together for a long time now. They've had a few years to learn how to "play together as a team." Hardly a matter of instant results.

Yep.....I mean I get what he's trying to say when there should be "no excuses", but realistically, you have got to have the talent. I think he's getting the most out of this team right now. Don't mistake winning more than others with being the best coach. Now that Phil Jackson doesn't have Shaq, is he a worse coach? Pat Riley is the same guy. Give Doc Rivers those 2 all-star additions and he's pretty darn good. He's the same guy. Eddie Jordan got canned here and I thought he was a good coach. Has had a good run in Washington. I think Theus is doing ok in my book. What I really like is he's certainly not afraid to try different combinations as opposed to someone who will go purely by the book.

 

[Jerryaki]

First of all Theus is not here to develop young players. Theus is here to win, whether it be with d-league players, or superstars. theus is supposed to give time to the players he feels gives him the best chance to win on any given night. So to say he should just be developing young players and shouldn't try to win is crazy talk.

so by saying that theus is here to win and not develop young talent, that pretty much means we're not in rebuilding mode?

 

[Gary]

so by saying that theus is here to win and not develop young talent, that pretty much means we're not in rebuilding mode?

Not saying that. But I don't think there is a coach out there who will say at the beginning of the season that he is not in it to win it because he feels he needs to develop a couple players. As for rebuilding, we are drafting players to fill spots for the future. It's not like that 19 y/o center of ours will age 10 years in the next 2, so we have a lot of time to develop him.

As for Douby, I seriously don't think he fits with what our team is trying to do. Too small to play SG, and not a good enough ball handler to play PG. Salmons is pretty much taking his minutes. Garcia as well. Does not mean we aren't rebuilding.

 

[Geoff]

Why? So you can try to bully me and run me into the ground like you usually do with posters who don't agree with you? Yes, one of the "lousy coach" votes was me. Here's my reason for doing it.

The team is 5-10. I don't want to hear excuses why - injuries, new system, trades, etc. - EVERY team has these issues now and them. And some a lot more than the Kings. I want results now. Look at how the Celtics turned it around after years of terrible seasons. The Orlando Magic is running away with their division. The Pistons had injuries to their key core players at the beginning of the season, and they've kept it together and are competitive. "Yeah sure, but trades helped the Celtics & Magic a lot." Yeah, so what? They still have to learn to play together, and the coach makes that happen. What has Theus made happen so far? Keeping a lid on Artest? As a coach, I don't want that being the best we can get out of the team's premiere player.

So far I think he's over-matched as an NBA coach.

woooo, nelly.

The Celtics have Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. Eric Musselman could have coached that team to the NBA finals, though he'd probably do it in a cage to protect himself from KG.

The Orlando Magic have Dwight Howard and a lot of other good players, plus a good coach and they play in the East Conference.

The Pistons have won the championship in the past few years.

And you're using those guys as a benchmark for the Sacramento Kings???

Only Bibby, Artest and K-mart would warrant consideration as starters on any of those three teams.

What has Theus done so far? Well, he has the team at 5-10 when they could have easily been at 1-14. I don't think the team is playing beyond their abilities, but I do think they are starting to get a feel for each other. This team isn't contending for anything beyond a lottery pick, get used to it. I don't know what you expected from Theus, but I'm confident in saying that you're expecting too much.

 

[Heuge]

First of all Theus is not here to develop young players. Theus is here to win, whether it be with d-league players, or superstars. theus is supposed to give time to the players he feels gives him the best chance to win on any given night. So to say he should just be developing young players and shouldn't try to win is crazy talk.

Disagree. Winning is secondary right now. Developing young players should be this organizations primary goal at the moment. To expect victories right now is delusional, which is the cousin to crazy talk.

 

[Glenn]

Disagree. Winning is secondary right now. Developing young players should be this organizations primary goal at the moment. To expect victories right now is delusional, which is the cousin to crazy talk.

According to who? I wonder if the people who are going to make or lose money on this investment would want us to take a risk that most likely leads to losses. Sacramento fans now demand wins. It is no fun spending a lot of money to watch a loss. But that's only according to me.

As to the use of the terms "delusional" and "crazy talk," I'm speechless.

 

[Heuge]

According to who? I wonder if the people who are going to make or lose money on this investment would want us to take a risk that most likely leads to losses. Sacramento fans now demand wins. It is no fun spending a lot of money to watch a loss. But that's only according to me.

As to the use of the terms "delusional" and "crazy talk," I'm speechless.

Well, since this is a forum of opinions, according to me. I would rather see our young players playing hard then our older players. Since winning is unrealistic with this roster, I will take less winning and development. I spend money on this team just like others do, so I am ok with that investment. And frankly, if our GM didnt put us in this situation I would be hoping for different things with this team.
I was rather surprised by "crazy talk" myself.

 

[kupman]

Disagree. Winning is secondary right now. Developing young players should be this organizations primary goal at the moment. To expect victories right now is delusional, which is the cousin to crazy talk.

The two are not mutually exclusive however. The Kings can both develop the youth and try to win the games. In fact, IMHO playing our youth increases our chances if winning games because I think thatthey are better than the crusty vets at this point.

I do agree that expecting victories is a bit delusional....we can all hope though.

 

[Glenn]

Well, since this is a forum of opinions, according to me. I would rather see our young players playing hard then our older players. Since winning is unrealistic with this roster, I will take less winning and development. I spend money on this team just like others do, so I am ok with that investment. And frankly, if our GM didnt put us in this situation I would be hoping for different things with this team.
I was rather surprised by "crazy talk" myself.

I'm hoping then that we can say there is no "correct" answer as to what is the proper tact. It's not an "either/or" approach. I think that the young players will get their minutes and I can't say I'm against that. What I hope is that Theus will have the luxury of using young players as I don't think he has the luxury at this point. Nobody has commented on a note I posted above but I think Theus has his hands full. To expand on it I think Theus has to establish himself and his offense and his defense and it is much easier to do that with veterans than youngsters. There are certain things that vets know that comes with experience.

When he has an offense, when he has a defense, and when he has respect as an NBA coach, he can further experiment and teach the young people. The season has a lot of games left.

Does that make sense?

 

[Heuge]

I'm hoping then that we can say there is no "correct" answer as to what is the proper tact. It's not an "either/or" approach. I think that the young players will get their minutes and I can't say I'm against that. What I hope is that Theus will have the luxury of using young players as I don't think he has the luxury at this point. Nobody has commented on a note I posted above but I think Theus has his hands full. To expand on it I think Theus has to establish himself and his offense and his defense and it is much easier to do that with veterans than youngsters. There are certain things that vets know that comes with experience.

When he has an offense, when he has a defense, and when he has respect as an NBA coach, he can further experiment and teach the young people. The season has a lot of games left.

Does that make sense?

I guess that is the root of my issue with the Theus hiring. He has to find himself as a coach while figuring out how to teach young guys. But I see your point and am also excited to see what happens when his plan unfolds for both sides of the ball.

 

[Jerryaki]

I wonder if the people who are going to make or lose money on this investment would want us to take a risk that most likely leads to losses. Sacramento fans now demand wins. It is no fun spending a lot of money to watch a loss.

here's what i don't understand about this stance. to me, there are two scenarios:

A) play the experienced vets while trying to get as many wins as possible and into the playoffs. likelihood with our current team: i think not too good, end up in the mediocre 30-35 win range.

B) give the youngers kids more mintes to develop them, likely leading to more losses, no playoofs, probably end somewhere between 20-30 wins.

i feel like in scenario A, you will lose both the fairweather fans who only want to see wins, as well as the more hardcore fans because they will perceive a lack of direction and management from the front office. in addition, you are hurting your chances for the future because you're not developing the youth and you're simultaneously eroding your draft position. this then ensures that the fans stay away year after year because your team is not going to be very good.

in scenario B, i think you still lose the fairweather fans because your'e still losing. but it seems that at least the hardcoure fans will gut it out because there is a rhyme and reason to the losing and rebuilding. you're developing and you'll likely end up with a better lottery pick (which can possibly net a big name college/foreign player who will attract interest, or at least the position is a better bargaining chip to get another star). when the team is in a better position to contend, the fairweather fans will come back.

money is money, no matter what type of fan you are, but it just seems like scenario B would yield more of it than a lifetime of mediocrity.

now, it could be that there is a scenario that is a blend of both, the fabled "rebuilding on the fly." i don't think our franchise is adept enough right now to manage that.

 

[Gary]

Disagree. Winning is secondary right now. Developing young players should be this organizations primary goal at the moment. To expect victories right now is delusional, which is the cousin to crazy talk.

I am all for what you said.. I would rather watch the young guys, but I don't think the team would admit to putting winning second to development.

I think we could call them on that lie if JW, Douby, Hawes, and Garcia were all getting 30+ minutes a night, and not producing.

 

[VF21]

...The only pointer is I'd let Hawes play more, and give Garcia some basketball IQ.

There's the real problem, though. If you're old enough to remember young Jason Williams, he was as electrifying AND erratic as Garcia. He never did calm down here. It took Hubie Brown to take the erratic play out of Williams, but many think it also destroyed what made him special.

 

[VF21]

Bobby Jackson is living proof that you can be exciting and explosive without being dumb. Even so, Bobby had his moments, too. All we can do is hope that Reggie can find away to fine tune Garcia without taking away what makes him so dynamic. I honestly don't know if it can be done...

 

[Glenn]

Bobby Jackson is living proof that you can be exciting and explosive without being dumb. Even so, Bobby had his moments, too. All we can do is hope that Reggie can find away to fine tune Garcia without taking away what makes him so dynamic. I honestly don't know if it can be done...

I have a doubt that it can be achieved but I can't make any solid argument to support myself. The comparison to JWill was right on. Garcia seems to play on the edge of being out of control and that's what makes him good and that's what makes him bad. I think it's a little different than JWill as I think Jason spent a lot of time working on his antics because he wanted to look exciting and way out there - he wanted a persona. I don't think appearance is Cisco's mission. I think he just wants to be aggressive but finds that he can't get away with as much at the NBA level. Can't support that statement either.

Just restating what you said but I just had to.

People tend to be much more forgiving of Cisco than Ron Ron or Salmons. Not sure why. Maybe it's the accent.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

People tend to be much more forgiving of Cisco than Ron Ron or Salmons. Not sure why. Maybe it's the accent.

Well, speaking just for myself, I am more forgiving of Garcia than I am of Artest or Salmons because:

1: He's flighty, but not mentally unstable (Artest), and
2: He's happy with his role on the team, and doesn't complain about having to come off the bench behind his betters (Salmons).

Plus, as I alluded to in another thread, I am, with rare exception, always going to be more forgiven towards homegrown talent.

 

[NewArena]

Well, speaking just for myself, I am more forgiving of Garcia than I am of Artest or Salmons because:

1: He's flighty, but not mentally unstable (Artest), and
2: He's happy with his role on the team, and doesn't complain about having to come off the bench behind his betters (Salmons).

Plus, as I alluded to in another thread, I am, with rare exception, always going to be more forgiven towards homegrown talent.

Mentally unstable huh? Maybe so but what has ron really done wrong in his time in sacramento? He made a mistake or two with what he said in the media at times but the thing with his wife was a personal matter and he obviously needs to divorce the women. And later on we found out the dog crap was BS but NO ONE wants to mention that.

The fact is garcia is an absolute idiot and takes way more bad shots then ron does. Last night was the first night in a long time where i can say "wow ron really took some bad shots tonight". I dont give a damn if garcia is homegrown or not, i cant wait until he leaves sacramento if he ever does.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Mentally unstable huh? Maybe so but what has ron really done wrong in his time in sacramento?

Couldn't care less. Seriously. I'm not going to give Artest a pass for what he's done before just because he has yet to do it in Sacramento; I don't owe him benefit of the doubt.

 

[NewArena]

Couldn't care less. Seriously. I'm not going to give Artest a pass for what he's done before just because he has yet to do it in Sacramento; I don't owe him benefit of the doubt.

That isnt my point, garcia DOESNT deserve anything either. Either he sucks or he doesnt..and right now guess what? He does.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

13/4/2/1 off the bench "sucks?"

You must be using some new definition of the word "sucks" that I was previously not aware of.

 

[BMiller52]

13/4/2/1 off the bench "sucks?"

You must be using some new definition of the word "sucks" that I was previously not aware of.

Stats don't tell the story. Garcia is the biggest screw up I've ever seen. The guy makes more mistakes in 1 game than Ron has in his whole life. Honestly I think Garcia is horrible.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Hyperbole much? Am I meant to take your opinion seriously when you make off-the-wall statements like that?

 

[Bart-Poland]

In my opinion Reggie does reslly good job so far

 

[Kingster]

There's the real problem, though. If you're old enough to remember young Jason Williams, he was as electrifying AND erratic as Garcia. He never did calm down here. It took Hubie Brown to take the erratic play out of Williams, but many think it also destroyed what made him special.

Garcia's main problem is that he's playing out of position. Down the line, though, this pg experience will help his game a lot.