How are the Kings going to move Kenny Thomas?

walker60 · Jun 6, 2006

Ya that's true, but if Bonzi wants to get more than the MLE, he might be willing to go somewhere where he can get his money. I'm not sure any of the teams out there with cap room would be willing to spend it to get Bonzi. I guess I thought that about Cat Mobley last year and look at the deal he got...

VF21 · Jun 6, 2006

I honestly don't see the Maloofs letting Bonzi go. They LIKE him. Ron likes him. Petrie likes him. The fans love him. The Maloofs have opened their wallets before; I think there's every reason to suspect they'll do so again.

AND Bonzi has said it's not just about the money. After bouncing around, he's found a home here. He loves the team, he loves the fans. If he's given a fair offer, he's going to stay.

DaMan · Jun 6, 2006

kpm308 said:

How about a trade to Houston for Swift and a throw in (Bowen, Lampe?)

Thomas would fit very well for Houston in the Juwan Howard role and Kenny seems to play better in an offense like Van Gundy's where the majority of the plays are set plays called from the bench, rather than read/recognition offense that he has struggled with since being here. His lack of size can kinda be hidden with Yao and McGrady both being tall.

Swift would bring us a shotblocker and decent rebounder off the bench, which is what we've been needing, and he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective, he gets most of his points on hustle plays/putbacks. He was a disapointment in Houston and never really fit in. The good thing about this trade for the Kings is that Musselman was an assistant in Memphis with Swift, so he will understand what needs to be done to make Swift effective, and I think if we could get Swift playing at the level he was in Memphis it would be worth trading away KT to be able to bring Swift off the bench to swat at some balls and hang out around the rim.

This is a great idea, houston would take thomas, they really did not like swift's perfomce last year. And also i like the nj deal going around also.

Kings113 · Jun 6, 2006

Totally agree, VF.

SacTownKid · Jun 7, 2006

Bricklayer said:

Two words: Contract year.

As for Etan, everyone knows that would be my dream come true. He is exactly what we need. Of course his contracts sucks as bad as Kenny, and Kenny is a better overall player, but Etan brings what we need. Wiz would easily look to do that deal.

ParniValjak · Jun 7, 2006

I am a bit confused by this Stro Swift idea.

Seriously people he has been nothing but a huge under-achiever all his career. Its not about the situation its about the player.

He kicked up a fuss in Memphis, wanted a big payday but signed for lot less than he though he would.

He is undersized but he would make up for it with his athleticism.. However, the knock on him for years has been his lack of work ethic and his poor defence. For a player of his athletic ability he is a VERY poor rebounder and even poorer defender. Couple that with low IQ and not a lot of offensive game and you get an overhyped, overpaid underachieving talent.

Muss was at Grizzlies while Stro was still there and I am sure he wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

whozit · Jun 7, 2006

VF21 said:

Add to that, he can't even be approached until the 1st of July, after the draft has occured.

master · Jun 7, 2006

I think the Rockets would do a Juwan Howard for Kenny Thomas (Howard +3 years, Thomas +4 years), but I don't think they trade Swift for Thomas.

Other option Kenny for Haslem+Kapono. I don't like Haslem, but I think some teams like him, Kings could do another trade, he is much more easy to move than Kenny.

thesanityannex · Jun 7, 2006

Question:

Would it make any sense to waive Kenny Thomas if the Kings can't move him?

master · Jun 7, 2006

thesanityannex said:

Ehh, NO. Why???? If we can get a smaller contract or pack him with other players in a decent trade ok. If not, he can play his minutes. The problem is he's overpaid and 4 more years, but he is a useful player. If we waive him his contract still counts, so it don't make any any any sense.

thesanityannex · Jun 7, 2006

master said:

ahh............didn't realize his contract was that long. thanks for clearing that up.

Bricklayer · Jun 7, 2006

master said:

Well the first one would be an obvious no, as in no need of an ancient shoplifting mediocre softie tweener forward. We'll stick with the guy we've got.

The 2nd one is more interesting. Not really exciting, and the fact is Haslem is only a shade bigger than Kenny. But he's a dirt worker and accepts his role, so...maybe. Of course frankly I doubt the Heat do that. Haslem being the dirtywork PF that Riley always loves to have (Rambis, Green, Oakley, PJ Brown) etc., and now the PF on a Finals team. Not sure why they would want an undersized non-defender in return.

Swift...well, Swift more or less failed in Houston, and had a disappointing season (although I should note I am not at all sure JVG used him correctly). But if you are trying to dump Kenny's contract and attitude, add length + athleticism, why not? If it were the ONLY move you made to fortify the frontcourt...no. Amongst other things I've mentioned that we simply cannot lose Kenny without adding a major rebounder in return, especially not if Bonzi also goes. But as a way to move the KT deal, and PART of a frontcourt restructuring? Sure. Add some length and shotblocking off the bench. Be that 2nd shotblocker that you need to truly have presence in there. But you would still need to go out and get the FIRST shotblocker/defender and main man, because that isn't Swift.

kingsfanofthemonth · Jun 7, 2006

I don't remember, what was K9's original tenure with the Rockets like? Is he a player they would be interested in? Was he traded or did he sign with Philidelphia? I like the idea of a K9 for Stromile trade however I'm not totally sure K9 would be a player that Houston would want back in the mix.

Kings113 · Jun 7, 2006

I think he'd compliment Yao's lack of speed. KT would be much better next to centers like Nazr/Shaq/Yao/Camby.. Brad/KT I don't know about.

Gary · Jun 7, 2006

There is a guy out there that is averaging ;

10.7ppg 9.4rpg 2.4apg 1.2spg 0.5bpg and 2.0TOpg.

Would you want him? He started 50+ games and put up those stats last year. OK so that is what KT did as a starter. If we cannot move him than it's not the end of the world. Worse case scenario is that he cries at the end of the bench until his contract is up (or he is moved). But again, not the end of the world if he isn't moved. But imo I think we need to move either KT, or Brad, because as was said above, they don't compliment each other as players. The one thing I do like about KT is that he does crash the offensive boards VERY well. As a starter for us I believe he was getting 3 offensive boards per game which isnt all that bad.

walker60 · Jun 7, 2006

Gary said:

There is a guy out there that is averaging ;

10.7ppg 9.4rpg 2.4apg 1.2spg 0.5bpg and 2.0TOpg.

Would you want him? He started 50+ games and put up those stats last year. OK so that is what KT did as a starter. If we cannot move him than it's not the end of the world. Worse case scenario is that he cries at the end of the bench until his contract is up (or he is moved). But again, not the end of the world if he isn't moved. But imo I think we need to move either KT, or Brad, because as was said above, they don't compliment each other as players.

That's a good point Gary...

Kings113 · Jun 7, 2006

Yeah, that's similar to what I've been saying, Gary.

Realistically in moving, it'll be one of Brad/KT. Gotta be. To bring in a PF (Griffin) to compliment Brad or a C (Nazr/Magloire/Gadz) that compliments KT. Moving both I'd say doesn't happen. Then, sign a back-up C just with the LLE or if there's any of the MLE left (Elson/Cato/Kandi). Unless we keep Potapenko and Brad's not here, that could be fine. As a Pota/Brad center spot isn't good, IMO.

Gary · Jun 7, 2006

Also, those 3 offensive rebounds that he was averaging as a starter is in the top twelve in the league.

You don't go replacing KT with the likes of a Joe Smith and think it's going to improve you. I think we were spoiled with Webber and KTs stats, look like tin compared to Webber gold. We can improve in other areas if we can't find outselves a PF. Develop our bench, get a decent backup PG.

Lets say Bonzi doesn't resign, and we are looking at going into 2006-07 with ;

C-Miller
PF-KT
SF-Artest
SG-Martin
PG-Bibby

Our first problem with this lineup is team defense, scoring, and rebounding. Lets go to the bench. (I put "Nobody" into the position that really doesn't have a player we as fans trust to fill that position).

C-Nobody
PF-SAR
SF-Nobody
SG-Garcia
PG-Nobody

We can start improving our team by getting a bench.

We need scoring. OK Bobby Jackson, or Speedy Claxton. There we go, solved. That is our scoring punch off the bench, which can also come in if our starters are struggling. Rebounding.... Well Griffin from Minnesota can play Center, and PF. That would solve a HUGE problem with defense, and rebounding. With those two acquisitions we go nine deep, and have guys that can spot start and produce. Team fixed w/o getting rid of KT's contract. (although to get Griffin I am sure we will have to give up one of the nine)

Kings113 · Jun 7, 2006

Tyronn Lue or Charlie Bell wouldn't be bad options if we couldn't get Claxton or didn't want to get B-Jax again. Both are scoring PGs/combo guards and can defend and shoot.

Griffin is more of a PF than center, BTW. Yes, in stretches he can play C.

Still think you need another defensive big man off the bench, and wouldn't cost much like Elson/Cato/Kandi. Elson being the best option there.

SF or SG (Garcia can play either) in that situation we would get a guy like R. Butler/Jumaine Jones/Buckner. Can't see us having Artest and 3 youngsters (martin/garcia/monia).

LPKingsFan · Jun 7, 2006

Kings113 said:

Kenny Thomas is not the kind of player you should have to work to find complimentary players to build around him. Brad Miller is at least a unique enough talent that it's worth going out of your way to find patches to cover his defensive liablilites. But Kenny Thomas can be easily replaced by the likes of Reggie F. Evans.

Kings113 · Jun 7, 2006

Building around him? That wasn't my intent. My intent was to improve the front court play and defense, which would clearly be needed with Brad/KT/SAR/Potapenko. That's not a very good front-court. You need some defense and athleticism in there, and you're gonna have to make 1-2 addtions and subtractions from that 4 to do that. And, in the case IF Brad Miller is indeed moved, you'd get a defensive center next to Kenny Thomas. Simple as that. I don't expect 4/4, 3/4 of that group to be back. Maybe even 2/4, myself.

Entity · Jun 7, 2006

KT + Garcia + Jason Hart for Magloire and Mo Williams. millwalkee wants Bogut at the Center spot and they really don't have athleticism at the pf spot they have a bunch of Centers. Kenny would actually fit well there. Plus we get our backup pg out of the deal although we would loose Garcia if we keep Bonzi the minutes aren't going to be there for him anyway.

Kings113 · Jun 7, 2006

I'd rather try to get Bell first, but would definitely take Mo. Reason being Charlie's a damn good defender and a very good scorer. But I think Mo CAN be a good defender under the right coach - could well be Muss. As he didn't play much as a rook with the Jazz under Sloan, and only came into his own last season. Obviously Stotts isn't a defensive coach.

I think they'd do that... not sure about a Magloire/Brad FC though.

ParniValjak · Jun 7, 2006

Wizards GM was quoted as saying that he wants to get more mobile PF and play a bit of a "small ball" and apparently Ethan Thomas, Haywood and Hayes have been discussed as trade options.

I would do Kenny for Ethan trade.

Mo Williams is apparently also available. He would be a perfect back up PG for us.

Kings113 · Jun 7, 2006

Ooh, nice... I like all four of those guys. Don't need Hayes unless Bonzi goes, but Hayes has gotta stay healthy.

Kings113 · Jun 7, 2006

Do Etan for KT...

Then go and get a big like Griffin/Elson/Ely/Wright and slot him in somewhere. All 5 can play PF or C.

Bibby
Bonzi-Martin
Ron
Etan/SAR
Brad/Elson (signed w/ part of MLE/LLE)

or

Bibby
Martin
Ron
Griffin/SAR
Brad/Etan

Bonzi S&T'ed to Wolves for Griffin/one of their guards (Jaric/Hassell/Hudson).

ParniValjak · Jun 7, 2006

Kings113 said:

Don't like that one.

I want to keep Bonzi and get a back up PG that will provide spark off the bench. Mo Williams is perfect for this but I am not sure he would get a lot of minutes with Bibby here and Martin as a back up SF/SF.

I would do E. Thomas for K. Thomas easily. Both are overpaid but Ethan brings that toughness, defence, rebounding and shotblocking and he has more size than K9.

That would leave us with MLE and LLE to throw at other bigs to complement Brad, SAR and E. Thomas.

I would love to somehow get Gadzuric but it looks like the Bucks would rather move Magloire than Gadzuric.

Kings113 · Jun 8, 2006

I don't like it as much as the first, but we'd have to deal Brad to get Gadz or Magloire/Mo.

LPKingsFan · Jun 8, 2006

Magloire/Mo maybe, but I think the Bucks would be delighted with a Bogut/SAR frontcourt. Gadz for Brad would be a terrible deal.

KingsFan93 · Jun 8, 2006

Most of the bad hype about Kenny is because of his height, his attitude and his inconsistency, other than that he's a very good player

How are the Kings going to move Kenny Thomas?

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