How are the Kings going to move Kenny Thomas?

[Kings113]

Ya I like the idea, although it wouldn't work for the reasons mentioned above. If we keep Bonzi, I don't think we should get rid of Brad b/c Brad covers one of Bonzi's weaknesses (shooting) and Bonzi covers some of Brad's (rebounding, toughness). So ideally, I'd like to get two big men, a C and a PF, and a PG. I wouldn't mind seeing our PF start like Adrian Griffin does for the Mavs. Someone who is a good defender and only plays about 20 minutes a night while allowing SAR to get close to 30.

So, that would be an Etan Thomas/Francisco Elson/Eddie Griffin/Melvin Ely you're suggesting. All are effective without the ball, can defend, rebound, block shots (some more than others), have athleticism, and have some offense in their games.

 

[walker60]

So, that would be an Etan Thomas/Francisco Elson/Eddie Griffin/Melvin Ely you're suggesting. All are effective without the ball, can defend, rebound, block shots (some more than others), have athleticism, and have some offense in their games.

Ya, so basically pick up two of those guys and start one at PF and play him 20/min a night. Then pick up another one and have him back up Brad. Then we can have one offensive big man and one defensive big in the game at all times. Play Brad and SAR together when we need some points or they aren't clearly outmanned....

 

[Kings113]

That's how I feel, and hopefully can happen. Petrie did say he wants to get a guy who can block shots and play d at least. I'd like to see it lead to two.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I was mostly thinking of it as dumping KTs contract as with Brads.

Fair enough. But I just don't think Brad's play, as bas as it's been lately, merits a wholesale "dump."

And I agree with a lot of 113's said here.

While my ideal big man rotation is:
C: Miller/Chandler
PF: SAR/Chandler

I could settle with as a decent enough consolation:
C:Miller/Mohammed
PF:E. Thomas/SAR

 

[Kings113]

Don't know if we could get Mohammed to be our back-up, but with our situation, who knows. That'd be absolutely great.

I assume he's out for a starting job though...

 

[SacTownKid]

2) The flip side of this is that its not always about who is the better player, its about needs. Udonis Haslem isn't a great player, but he plays his role well and is now on a Finals team. Ditto Sagana Diop, James Posey, Adrian Griffin, etc. And if Kenny can't fill our needs, then moving him for a guy who patches our weaknesses makes sense, no matter who is the "better" player. Kenny actually is kind of a problematic player in that he is not a high quality all around starter type, but has neither the game nor mentality of a roleplaying bencher. You might be better off with a quality roleplayer who knows his role and relishes it. Of course at that point you've also just traded Chris Webber for Etan Thomas, but that's water under the bridge stuff at this point. Fact is that next year I could make a very persuasive argument why we could get more use out of a roleplaying 6'9" musclular shotblocking combo PF/C than a 6'7" "better" all around pure minature PF who needs lots of minutes to be happy and productive.

3) not really interested in sacrificing a guy capable of dominating the Spurs for spare parts from a mediocre club. Haywood and Daniels have some value, but on a team hoping to contend, its as fill up the rotation guys. Moving KT would be nice, but I don't want to downgrade our talent to do so.

4+5) yep, similar questions about both. Neither is the answer by themselves. I have real doubts this is how Geoff thinks, but nonetheless its why I would liek to see us go get TWO shotblocking types next year. And if one is Griffin or Swift, cool. Youth + potential to help and energize. But I don't think you could take either guy alone as your only move and decide that they were definitely going to come through for you.

Take the first statement and apply it to the second one, and you get your answer as to why it's irrelevant anyway.

 

[Bricklayer]

Take the first statement and apply it to the second one, and you get your answer as to why it's irrelevant anyway.

Yes indeedy. No doubt at all that's what we did -- patched a whole bunch of needs with the utter garbage we got for Webber. And after all all he was doing was leading a team on pace to win about 54-55 games at the time, until we started dismantiling it. And man were we OH so much better off for the next year without him. I mean man, there were brief moments when we ALMOST reached .500.


My hairy ***. A colossal ****up that would have given us a nice convenient date to pin as the end of the era of Sacto as anything but NBA cowtown had not one Ronald Artest decided to go nutso on his former team.


As a complete aside, but the obvious point -- Kenny Thomas is a completely irrelevant basketball player. You have Kenny Thomas, you don't have Kenny Thomas, it means nothing to your bottom line. Eminently replaceable by almost any average PF. So you can conceivably trade him for a roleplayer and nothing is lost. You can NOT do that with guys that matter or...well, those of us who didn't know beforehand should have learned that lesson.

 

[nbrans]

Kenny Thomas is irrelevant. Webber is irrelevant. Let's find someone relevant.

 

[ParniValjak]

I have seen a number of people mentioning Booth in the trades. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Bucks get rid off Booth through that clause where they cut him so they don't have to play luxury tax. The same clause Mavs used on Finley and Orlando used on Christie. I am pretty sure Booth is no longer on their roster. He is a FA.

How about

Jason Hart, Kenny Thomas and a future 2nd rounder to Bucks
Gadzuric and Mo Williams to Kings.

Jason Hart has 1 year left on his deal and he would be a decent 3rd PG for the Bucks and they get to KT to play next to Bogut and provide them with a bit of athleticism in the frount court.

 

[SacTownKid]

Yes indeedy. No doubt at all that's what we did -- patched a whole bunch of needs with the utter garbage we got for Webber. And after all all he was doing was leading a team on pace to win about 54-55 games at the time, until we started dismantiling it. And man were we OH so much better off for the next year without him. I mean man, there were brief moments when we ALMOST reached .500.


My hairy ***. A colossal ****up that would have given us a nice convenient date to pin as the end of the era of Sacto as anything but NBA cowtown had not one Ronald Artest decided to go nutso on his former team.


As a complete aside, but the obvious point -- Kenny Thomas is a completely irrelevant basketball player. You have Kenny Thomas, you don't have Kenny Thomas, it means nothing to your bottom line. Eminently replaceable by almost any average PF. So you can conceivably trade him for a roleplayer and nothing is lost. You can NOT do that with guys that matter or...well, those of us who didn't know beforehand should have learned that lesson.

You have a hairy ***.

 

[Kings113]

I like it.

Bibby/Mo Williams
Bonzi/Martin
Artest/Garcia
Defensive PF/SAR
Brad/Gadz

That bench is sick. PF options..

1 trade Garcia/#19/another piece (don't know if that could get us anything)
2 sign an Elson/Ely/Wright..
3 draft a PF and start him or SAR.
4 signing Tim Thomas, and trading Brad for a defensive center.
5 signing TT, and keeping Brad.

I like 2 or 4 myself.

......Bibby/Bonzi/Ron/TT/Ben Wallace