How about this deal for Bibby.....

[Peja4threee]

Trade with Atlanta for Marvin Williams and Speedy Claxton?

Marvin makes 4.174 million and Speedy 6.854 I think it would work contract wise and would be a good deal for both teams. Then Acie Law can back up Bibby until Bibby's contract is up and Acie should be ready to take over.

For us, we get younger and quicker and both would do well in the up tempo style Theus wants to play.

 

[Bricklayer]

Unfortunately when the Hawks drafted Acie Law that probably pretty much killed any chance of Bibby to Atlanta (nto to mention their petty owner in the lawsuit who scuttled half the deals they try to make jsut out of pique).

 

[kingzzzfan4ever]

That's not that bad of an idea. Claxton is only 29 yrs. old and can play PG pretty well and Marvin can be molded into a better player, he avg. 13 ppg, 5.2 rpg and 1.8 apg last season.

 

[dude12]

I would be willing to throw in Cisco in a deal if it meant that we would off-load Bibby and his contract. I'll take a young guy like Williams and then hope that Claxton would bounce back.

 

[hrdboild]

Seriously doubt Atlanta is willing to trade #1 overall pick Marvin Williams after just a couple of years. Bibby to Atlanta was proposed at least a half dozen times before the draft (usually involving Speedy Claxton and someone else) but it's unlikely such a deal happens now.

 

[venom_7]

I would be willing to throw in Cisco in a deal if it meant that we would off-load Bibby and his contract. I'll take a young guy like Williams and then hope that Claxton would bounce back.

Then its a great thing you aren't GM. Trading Bibby just to trade Bibby is useless. He's a valueable player, lets see some value in return. And giving up Cisco is not probable at all. Cisco is already developing into a very good player, in a few years he will be like a smaller AK with a jumpshot.

 

[dude12]

Then its a great thing you aren't GM. Trading Bibby just to trade Bibby is useless. He's a valueable player, lets see some value in return. And giving up Cisco is not probable at all. Cisco is already developing into a very good player, in a few years he will be like a smaller AK with a jumpshot.

Getting a guy like Williams is not useless. We can't get a talent like that for Bibby straight up. There's a reason that we haven't traded Bibby yet. His contract doesn't match his talent. He doesn't play defense. He shoots a low percentage. He doesn't make his teammates better. Did I mention that he can't play defense...at all... or at least he doesn't want to. He's a good player when he's making his shot. A liability when he can't make a shot. He's starting on the downside of his career IMO.

And I can't disagree with you more on Cisco being a version of AK. I'm not saying he's not a solid player, but AK is a defensive game-changer.

 

[AriesMar27]

am i the only person on this site that doesnt want to trade bibby? i could understand if we had drafted a pg prospect but we didnt... if we had law or conley id be down for it but we have hawes... id be more interested in trading thomas or reef somewhere, anywhere for anybody that wasnt a pf... i would trade thomas to houston for all of their spare pgs in a heartbeat before i would trade bibby... now with hawes and moore i dont want to trade artest either... no one wants miller so i didnt mention him... but seriously... bibby is the least of our problems...

 

[hrdboild]

My take on the situation is that our chance to win with Bibby has basically expired. If he re-signs with us in two years he's going to take a lot of money that would be better invested in younger players. That's probably not the best thing for a re-building team still trying to find its franchise player. Even if he does re-up on the cheap, he's always going to be a defensive liability and he tends to dominate the offense even on nights when his shot isn't falling. Plus then you've got to worry about a closing window of opportunity with your primary PG already in his 30s. So if you figure we've only got Bibby for two more seasons anyway, likely to be losing seasons, perhaps we should trade him now for whatever minimal value we can get in return and let his replacement play their heart out instead of watching him coast for two seasons to collect his paycheck knowing his "lame-duck" status. The prospect of a PG heavy lottery on the horizon only makes the decision easier. If we lose Bibby now we likely get worse. Perhaps even bad enough to score a top 5 pick and Bibby's replacement at the end of this season. This would be a good way to be pro-active about the rebuild for once.

I still think Boston looks like the best target for a Bibby trade. They need to win now to justify the Ray Allen trade, they have an appropriately sized expiring contract they're willing to move, and PG is one of the few positions where they're not already set.

 

[AriesMar27]

who said that we had to re-sign him?

 

[Bricklayer]

who said that we had to re-sign him?

Well if we AREN'T going to resign him, whihc we should nto given his age, then that's all the MORE reason to trade him while you can to get SEOMTHING back for him. The only rule is no long term contracts. But if you aren't going to resign him why, in a year that should be about youth development, do you have him back only to lose him for absolutely nothing in the end?

Every rebuild needs a turning point, not a fluttery mess liek what Geoff has been executing, but a real, life, take a stand, and here is the corner turniong point. You commit, and the sooner you do, the sooner the process gets under way (and is over). Why would you keep a guy just to lose him and retard the process along the way?

 

[hiero]

I would be willing to throw in Cisco in a deal if it meant that we would off-load Bibby and his contract. I'll take a young guy like Williams and then hope that Claxton would bounce back.

Why??? Just because we unload Bibby doesn't mean were going to grab a Marquee FA. So we have to dump one of our best young players just to unload salary cap, for a FA that we still cannot get NEXT YEAR because we still have KT/SAR/Miller on the books. So basically were significantly decreasing the talent on our team, for something that doesnt need to be done.

 

[AriesMar27]

Well if we AREN'T going to resign him, whihc we should nto given his age, then that's all the MORE reason to trade him while you can to get SEOMTHING back for him. The only rule is no long term contracts. But if you aren't going to resign him why, in a year that should be about youth development, do you have him back only to lose him for absolutely nothing in the end?

Every rebuild needs a turning point, not a fluttery mess liek what Geoff has been executing, but a real, life, take a stand, and here is the corner turniong point. You commit, and the sooner you do, the sooner the process gets under way (and is over). Why would you keep a guy just to lose him and retard the process along the way?

thats true but unless we have a young pg to take his place i dont see the point in trading him if we arent getting a pg to replace him... if we draft a pg next year then whats the point in trading him now? let him play out his contract and be under the cap... we will suck regardless... lets suck with money....

let mike and ron, maybe even miller... play out their contracts.... we already have potential replacements for ron and miller... we need a young pg to replace mike, then we can focus on building a good bench...

we wont get that trading mike, brad and ron now... definitely not brad....

 

[hammystyle]

thats true but unless we have a young pg to take his place i dont see the point in trading him if we arent getting a pg to replace him... if we draft a pg next year then whats the point in trading him now? let him play out his contract and be under the cap... we will suck regardless... lets suck with money....

let mike and ron, maybe even miller... play out their contracts.... we already have potential replacements for ron and miller... we need a young pg to replace mike, then we can focus on building a good bench...

we wont get that trading mike, brad and ron now... definitely not brad....

The point is you bite the bullet, get what you can for the talent you have, and give the kids a chance to play. You see who can be a player on the next good Kings team (even if only a role player), and who doesn't belong in the league.

Otherwise we get another abysmal 33 win season with the same cast of veterans on the downside of their career who are just good enough to keep us away from any of the top talent in the draft.

 

[dude12]

Why??? Just because we unload Bibby doesn't mean were going to grab a Marquee FA. So we have to dump one of our best young players just to unload salary cap, for a FA that we still cannot get NEXT YEAR because we still have KT/SAR/Miller on the books. So basically were significantly decreasing the talent on our team, for something that doesnt need to be done.

If you read the post completely, I would include a guy like Cisco in a deal if it meant we could get back a player like Marvin Williams. I would include him to get a quality player back. Marvin Williams > Francisco Garcia IMO.
Unloading the Bibby contract and getting a quality young player is going to take something.
Bibby playing with CWebb, Vlade, Peja, Christie= very good player...all he did was shoot

Bibby with Artest, KMart = liability when he doesn't shoot well, which was often.

Bibby's value < his current contract

Francisco Garcia = nice player, but never an elite player. Small Forwards are easier to get than Centers and PG's.

 

[hrdboild]

Well if we AREN'T going to resign him, which we should not given his age, then that's all the MORE reason to trade him while you can to get SEOMTHING back for him. The only rule is no long term contracts. But if you aren't going to resign him why, in a year that should be about youth development, do you have him back only to lose him for absolutely nothing in the end?

Every rebuild needs a turning point, not a fluttery mess like what Geoff has been executing, but a real, life, take a stand, and here is the corner turning point. You commit, and the sooner you do, the sooner the process gets under way (and is over). Why would you keep a guy just to lose him and retard the process along the way?

The point is you bite the bullet, get what you can for the talent you have, and give the kids a chance to play. You see who can be a player on the next good Kings team (even if only a role player), and who doesn't belong in the league.

Otherwise we get another abysmal 33 win season with the same cast of veterans on the downside of their career who are just good enough to keep us away from any of the top talent in the draft.

Exactly. If Bibby brings back even one player who's going to still be a part of the rotation in 3 or 4 years, not even a starter just a solid bench guy, than it's worth it to trade him now. The name of the game is acquiring assets. Or failing that, it may be a kind of addition by subtraction whereby our young players who are going to be here in 3 or 4 years get more playing time to accelerate their development and we don't skate along at the bottom of the lottery with a bunch of aging veterans who are going to leave once they play out their contracts anyway. Depending on the chances of Artest signing on when his contract is up (or whether you even think it's in the team's best interest to keep him) we may be facing the same situation with him as well. That's what rebuilding means. Identify who's in the longterm plans and get what you can for the rest while you can.

The reason we're in this mess in the first place is that we've been treading water while a lot of other teams have been getting better. That's the natural cycle of professional sports, it happens to every team. It's why no team can stay at the top for long. Now it's our turn to acquire the young players who will be stars tomorrow while other teams try to win now with the stars they've got. That's the proactive thing to do. There's no sense hanging on to a fading roster when it's long since been apparent that they've already gotten as good as they're going to get and that's good enough to just mis the playoffs.