History is repeating itself.
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RookieOfTheDay
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I don't think it's to the point where they should consider moving DMC. I'm just saying that in theory, if they were, moving him for a Dwight Howard caliber player could pay off huge if he resigns. Yes, if he doesn't resign, you lost DMC for nothing...but that's why it's called a gamble. It's the type of move you make if you figure DMC is a lost cause.
Agreed.
Variant
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On the one hand, this is interesting. On the other, any coach with a significant amount of time in the league playing with players of all sorts of temperments is going to have negative articles written about them and their style. I'm sure articles on par with those listed exist for Jerry Sloan, Phil Jackson, etc. in significant numbers.
I don't really think it "clinches" anything other than Westphal's been around a while, and actually had some success with some pretty egotistical players (the Glove, Barkley).
I care little if PW stays around longer than this season, but I hope that his tactics work with Cousins as they did with Payton. Even if they don't and PW ends up to be a complete loser as most of you think, the DMC maturity issues are *going* to need to be solved by someone.
I don't really think it "clinches" anything other than Westphal's been around a while, and actually had some success with some pretty egotistical players (the Glove, Barkley).
I care little if PW stays around longer than this season, but I hope that his tactics work with Cousins as they did with Payton. Even if they don't and PW ends up to be a complete loser as most of you think, the DMC maturity issues are *going* to need to be solved by someone.
Dime Dropper
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That article is terrible. Awful writing, amazes me that people actually get paid good money for writing such slop.
As for the OP, just conveys the ineptitude of Westphal. These problems are recurring. He really can't have a future here, needs to be fired ASAP.
As for the OP, just conveys the ineptitude of Westphal. These problems are recurring. He really can't have a future here, needs to be fired ASAP.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Bravo Section 101. Any way of sending that stuff to the FO? It's possible they have forgotten. What is erie is that the scenarios all seem to similar down to requiring the players to apologize and making sure that fact it is announced publicly. I presume in PW's mind that affixes blame and gets him off the hook. There are reasons this guy was jobless for awhile.
Glenn
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Kingsguy881
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OP, fantastic! Good job finding that, eerily similar situations, all.
kingsnation
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Maybe we should research all of the articles about when DMC clashed with coaches and teammates too. Perhaps we'd be on to something. 
History isn't repeating itself for only one of the parties involved. Just saying.
History isn't repeating itself for only one of the parties involved. Just saying.
TehSwimGuy
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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/1/2/2676173/demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-paul-westphal-hook
This piece by Ziller is the best explanation for why Westphal will never provide the development that Cousins needs.
This piece by Ziller is the best explanation for why Westphal will never provide the development that Cousins needs.
Section 101
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Maybe we should research all of the articles about when DMC clashed with coaches and teammates too. Perhaps we'd be on to something.
History isn't repeating itself for only one of the parties involved. Just saying.
But it's not just Cuz he has clashed with on the Kings. Hawes, Beno, Dalembert and Evans now to a degree. From the articles he has clashed with his best players Chuck, KJ, Payton.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
No he means that Howard won't resign with the Kings, so we would be trading Cousins for a one year, or whats ever left of this season for a rental of Howard. Which by the way isn't going to happen. The Kings aren't going to trade Cousins. Period!
By the way, great job Sec 101! I had read just about everyone of these articles at the time we hired Westphal, which was why I have serious reservations about him from the the get go. I was too lazy to go back and find them again. Once again, great job. This guy needs to be exposed.
TehSwimGuy
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And I doubt they would. It doesn't hurt to look at hypotheticals, however. Especially when Westphal seems to have major support from the organization (although I'll take that for what it's worth), it's not hard to envision a situation where DMC just says, "he's done".
bajaden
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Actually your wrong on just about every count. Starting at the bottom, his tactics didn't work with Payton, and it eventually got Westphal fired. He publicly embarrassed the star of the team. Did he actually think that Payton would play for him after that. Westphal hasn't been around for a long time. At least not in the NBA. He had two gigs. One with the Suns, where he was fired for the same thing as he's doing here. And one with Seattle, where he was fired for the same thing he's doing here.
After the Suns and Seattle, no one would touch him, and he ended up inheriting a very good Pepperdine team. A team that landed a berth in the NCAA tourney his first year, and then went downhill every year after that. After five years, he was fired, once again with players grumbling. I can't think of any good coach, like a Jackson, Pops etc. having these types of things said about them. People like Westphal continue to take money they don't deserve because people don't do their due dilligence. He took two winning teams and virtually destroyed them. Three if you count Pepperdine. I could only hope that he had learned something over the years, but apparently not.
I can't think of a worse coach to be coaching a young emotional player like Cousins.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
DMC is under contract, so he can't just say he's done. Make no mistake, Cuz wants to play. He didn't go home because he wanted to miss the game. He was sent home by Westphal. Westphal is on thin ice and he knows it. In Amicks article, when he was talking to Petire, he asked Petrie how he felt about the progress of the team. Petrie's response was, well, no one is happy with how things are going right now. Thats quite a response from Petrie. Certainly not an endorsement of Westphal.
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Kingsguy881
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Your posts have been spot on in this thread but that quote right there was the most telling.
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LWP777
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So you rip me for my criticism of DMC but now you're openly hoping that this man gets "exposed" and loses his job? Hypocrisy at it's finest sir!
If he is undermining the progress of a potential franchise player out of some petty personality clash then yes, he needs to be "exposed".
NOBODY thought PW was the coach to guide us to the promised land, at best he was going to provide some stability and allow the young players to grow in a fashion that a less experienced coach trying to "make his mark" (Theus) wouldn't do because he was so concerned with W/L vs. long term growth. PW has been around long enough to "know his role", except that apparently he hasn't, and Sec 101's digging shows just that. Ironically enough, now that the lingering vet talent is gone and the youth movement is in full swing, Theus may have just been able to do something with this lineup, if he could get them to overachieve the way he did with a lineup built to tank a season. Not that I ever would want to go back there.
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ArcoKings
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Disturbing.
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LWP777
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I don't necessarily disagree. Baja ripped me because I said I thought Cousins was a bad guy, immature, etc. He tried to pull the "do you know him personally" card yet here he is openly ripping PW who I'm sure he doesn't know personally either. Bottom line, it's an internet forum about the Sacramento Kings. This is what we're here to do -- give opinions, gossip, etc. I was just pointing out to him that he is being a hypocrite.
bajaden
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Excuse me, but where's the hypocrisy? I have no problem with you being critical of Cousins, but I didn't think the manner in which you did it was appropiate. But hey, its just my opinion, and who the hell cares what I think. You'll note I didn't call Westphal a bad person or a bully. Actually, I think Westphal is probably a very nice guy. But that doesn't make him a good coach, and thats my issue with him. Now in fairness to Westphal, we didn't have Cousins when he was hired. So I can't say he totally knew what he was getting into. But all one has to do is look at his track record, and your going to have some serious reservations. At least I did at the time, and I said so. I also hoped I was wrong.
Just so I'm clear here. If Cousins was only as talented as, lets say, J.J. Hickson, then I'd be entertaining offers. But he's not. He's a surpremely talented player, and the orginization has a lot invested in him. So if I'm Petrie, I'm going to bite the bullet, and figure out a way to get the most out of my investment going forward. All of this however has nothing to do with my opinion of Paul Westphal. I endorsed firing him before any of this Cousins thing reared its ugly head.
I'm a huge fan of individual responsibility. And I think Cousins has to take responsibility for his actions. Thats what adults are susposed to do. So if discipline is necessary, then so be it. But as a parent, when I disclipine my child, I don't drag him out on the front lawn of my house and do it in front of my neighbors. I take him into a room, tell him he's being punished, and why. And I explain once again what the rules are, and that no one can break them, and if he does, its his fault, not mine that he's getting punished. And, I don't get into a screaming contest with him. Someone has to be the adult in the room!
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LWP777
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Fair enough Baja! And I agree, I don't think now is the time to trade DMC. We would be selling low most likely.
Pretty good article, Ziller hits points that have been talked about but not really brought up in the media.
Telemachus
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Ziller pointed out something that stood out to me, and that was Westphal being the one to announce that Cousins had been sent home (and the reason). This just isn't the way things have worked in the Kings organization. Any major punishment is put out in a press release by the front office, and they would have probably used the term "conduct detrimental to the team" instead of saying he asked for the trade.
Westphal's actions forced the front office to make a statement and come out in support of the coach. If they didn't, they would have been forced to fire him on the spot (any respect he has of the players would be completely gone). It will be interesting to see how things progress form here.
Westphal's actions forced the front office to make a statement and come out in support of the coach. If they didn't, they would have been forced to fire him on the spot (any respect he has of the players would be completely gone). It will be interesting to see how things progress form here.
Big Cuz 15
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i think webb had like 3 years on his contract when he arrived. it wasn't a 30 game rental.
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