Heads are Gonna Roll!
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Bricklayer
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I think it was really an accretion of the various moves.
1) when we lost Vlade, we lost part of Peja too and the game became harder for him
2) when we traded Doug our defensive conscience went out the door, and the game became even a little harder for Peja and Bibby
3) when we lost Webb the last of our heart walked out the door, and it made the game MUCH harder on Bibby
4) then we traded Bobby, and with him went the personality and leader of our bench.
This was not unforeeable. We've been talking for years aboout the difference between players that can create for others and make them better, and players who are basically just finsihers and closers who are dependant on those creative types. Well, we traded all the creative types, and kept all the finishers. Only now they have no leaders, no creaters, to make the game easy for them and they look completely lost.
1) when we lost Vlade, we lost part of Peja too and the game became harder for him
2) when we traded Doug our defensive conscience went out the door, and the game became even a little harder for Peja and Bibby
3) when we lost Webb the last of our heart walked out the door, and it made the game MUCH harder on Bibby
4) then we traded Bobby, and with him went the personality and leader of our bench.
This was not unforeeable. We've been talking for years aboout the difference between players that can create for others and make them better, and players who are basically just finsihers and closers who are dependant on those creative types. Well, we traded all the creative types, and kept all the finishers. Only now they have no leaders, no creaters, to make the game easy for them and they look completely lost.
Stojakovic
Bench
KP said:
But what's that got to do with this ? Now you've completely confused me. I was in favor of trading Webber last year, but what we got in return does not cut it. I also did not think we would be this bad...not as good, certainly...but not falling apart.
Stojakovic
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Bricklayer said:
1) Check
2) Check
3) Check
4) Check
Brick, you're doing your homework.
KP
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All bad moves, except maybe Doug although I think his will to play was lost when he was traded from the Kings, and contributed to his exit. Petrie has made bad move after bad move and taken a talented roster and reduced it to this. Snubbing Vlade and offering Tag what it would have taken to keep Vlade was stupid. Not to mention putting yourself in a position(due to the miscalc on Cat) that you had to get rid of Bobby. Trading Webber for nothing was the by far the biggest blunder, the contracts we got back were awful and the production we are getting from those players compared to what Webb would have given is terrible. Tonight we hit rock bottom with a resounding Thud. Time to fire RA and complete this debacle.Bricklayer said:
AleksandarN
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quick dog said:
No Rick has a part in this mess. It is the coach's job to get the players playing at their full capabilities if they are not then it is the coaches job to do so. The players now have tuned him out. Rick is a great coach but he has worn out his welcome.
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This is unbelievable. I'm really ashamed of a lot of Sacramento fans right now. Sure the Kings blew that game, but they played well for most of it. Those guys obviously care out there and they even looked dominant at times. Did you see some of the defense Bibby and Bonzi were playing? Peja cutting to the basket? Corliss' behind the back pass (sure he traveled, but it was a pretty stunning play nonetheless). Maybe I'm stretching by pointing out a few specific plays here--and it certainly would affect my opinion that this is the first game I've been able to watch all year--but that didn't look like a hopeless team to me. This isn't the disaster that people are making it out to be. Let the guys play. Trade Peja for a bag of peanuts -- if we can even get that? Fire Adelman and replace him with whoever? Come on. This is just sad.
KP
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Dude this isn't just a one game occurence, they were saying they had to have the game before and then that this one was do or die. There is a common theme all year long and thats no heart and no leadership when the games on the line. Just be glad you haven't had to watch every game.hrdboild said:
But don't you think, without the constant weight of expectations, that what's going on with this team is not really a panic situation? It may take a whole year for these guys to learn to play as a team. It may take a year for Kevin and Francisco to start contributing consistently. Why does it seem like every game is do-or-die? Forget about the arena, forget about Adelman's contract, forget about Peja's contract, and dare I say it - forget about the playoffs. Just look at what's going on out there on the court, and I think positive things are going to start to happen in time. Yeah watching your team lose sucks. Watching your team blow games they should have won or get blown out by teams they should beat easily sucks even more. But then there's a game the next day, or the day after that. This whole "something's got to be done - now" attitude is something I definately don't agree with. Why all that unneccesary pressure? Obviously the team wants to win. Can't we give them more than one or two games to turn it around without the constant threat of dismanteling things? I just hope that if the folks leading the Kings' organization do make significant changes it's because they've analyzed what is best for the longterm future of the team, not because they feel pressured by "fan unrest" into making panic moves.
What I'd suggest is, instead of firing Adelman, extend his contract now. Talk with Peja about the possibility of a contract extension now. Look for a forgotten free-agent somewhere that fills a bench need. Then you've got a coach and players who are building towards the future instead of playing one day at a time. Establish a little bit of stability and then be patient and let things develop.
What I'd suggest is, instead of firing Adelman, extend his contract now. Talk with Peja about the possibility of a contract extension now. Look for a forgotten free-agent somewhere that fills a bench need. Then you've got a coach and players who are building towards the future instead of playing one day at a time. Establish a little bit of stability and then be patient and let things develop.
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SacTownKid
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hrdboild said:
Well, its actually been 20 games and the problems with this team are very real. At the beginning of the season I made a personal choice go give these guys 20 games and well, thats pretty much here and I see major cause for concern. The management HAS to see these problems as well. We are near the bottom of the league in opponents FG%, rebounding, and are one of the worst defensive teams in the league. These are things that could change with this squad, but not likely. Tonight was a really important game. Any more of a hole these guys go into and not making the playoffs is a very likely possibility. This team is also built to win now in regards to personnel. I have seen glimpses of a very good team, but nothing more.
Petrie won't make panic moves, but I hope they make moves if necessary. Thats what Petrie does. Build winners. If things continue to sputter what choice does he have? If you don't have a winning hand you trade in a few cards to hopefully draw some ones that help build a winning one.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
hrdboild said:
What's in the best long term interests of the franchise is not having these 12 players being the Kings for any longer than necessary. Precisely because sooner or later they WILL have to be moved. And the sooner you just suck it up and do it, the sooner you can actually start developing the future. Right now we're not functional because we're caught right in the middle of a rebuilding project with random mismatched pieces of all sorts, gaping holes, and no focus. Now is not the time you stop making moves and sit on your hands hoping magical faeries will fix everything.
As an aside, wasting a year is rather a critical thing when all of your players are pushing 30 and you have a gigantic arena issue floating about.
Rick obviously isn't getting an extension. Nor would he take one I think at this point even if it were offered, unless it was for an obscene amount.
Peja's extension likely comes at a ridiculous franchise-crippling price.
There is not a single player on the Kings who isn't in that imminently replaceable category, with the lone possible exception of Brad, and that only so long as we keep the Princeton (which is itself on its last legs with Rick and likely Coachie on their last legs here).
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Smart_guy3
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It should be RA and the BENCH.
SacTownKid
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Bricklayer said:
Well, I agree for the most part but Brad isn't imminently replaceable. Princeton or no Princeton he's still a top 5 center in this league, which may not mean as much as it used to, but still.
Most teams would really want him.
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