Have the terms of the trade been discussed?

I was just wondering, was the Pedja/Artest trade a straight across the board player for player trade, or were there draft choices involved? I heard something about potential draft choices being offered up, but nothing has been mentioned since the trade went down.

Just hoping we didn't offer up any draft choices in this deal even if its only a second round choice, heh hopefully Indiana gave us a draft pick after all the baggage that came with this on/off/on trade ;)
 
cary_anderson said:
I was just wondering, was the Pedja/Artest trade a straight across the board player for player trade, or were there draft choices involved? I heard something about potential draft choices being offered up, but nothing has been mentioned since the trade went down.

Just hoping we didn't offer up any draft choices in this deal even if its only a second round choice, heh hopefully Indiana gave us a draft pick after all the baggage that came with this on/off/on trade ;)

Straight player for player, even the physicals were waved off. :D
 
Three Things To Know About The Artest Deal…

The Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers triggered a deal yesterday that sent Peja Stojakovic to the Pacers in exchange for the troublesome but talented Ron Artest. The deal had it issues along the way, and several incarnations of this deal took place before it became official. Here are some of the behind the scenes actions that made this deal happen…

#1 – IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN BONZI: A well placed Kings source explained that the original offer was Bonzi Wells, and that was interesting to the Pacers if it included Francisco Garcia or Kevin Martin. Bonzi got hurt and the deal got scrapped. When the Pacers started looking at the Clippers offer of Corey Maggette, the injury concerns about whether or not Corey needs a screw inserted in his foot, brought the Kings back to the table with a Peja deal… The Pacers made a push to get more than just Peja, and the Kings were about to toss in a 2nd player, when news of the deal leaked, and Ron Artest’s agent threw water on the deal.

#2 – THE PACERS APPLIED THE PRESSURE: After news of the trade broke and Artest’s agent made the statement that Ron did not want to be a King, the Pacers called a face to face meeting with Ron, his agent and Player’s Union chief Billy Hunter. The Pacers made it abundantly clear to Ron they were prepared to suspend him without pay for the balance of the season if Ron did not become more cooperative with the process. He was urged to have a call with Maloofs, at which time all of Ron’s concerns were put to rest, and all of the Maloof’s concerns were also put to rest, and the deal moved forward. The Pacers refuse to discuss the tone of the meeting, but a Pacer’s source say Ron was explained where he stood legally and what the Pacers were prepared to do.

#3 – THE FUTURE: Peja is a short term tryout… The Pacers are not sold that Peja will stay beyond the season, but see him as a good fit to spread the floor – if his shot starts falling. The Pacers did try and extract an additional player from the Kings – word is it was Francisco Garcia, the Pacers coveted, but ultimately Ron’s outburst saved the Kings a player, and cost the Pacers a promising young guy. The Kings view Ron as exactly what they are missing… toughness and defense. Mike Bibby was said to be sad to see his good friend Peja Stojakovic go, but was said to be thrilled to get a talent like Ron in return. Kings players publicly say they are looking forward to Ron joining the team, and Ron should be a fan favorite in ARCO Arena.

Peja Stojakovic may not join the Pacers for several days as he was given permission to get his affairs in order. Ron Artest is expected to meet the Kings in Boston and may be in uniform for the Kings in Boston, although Kings sources say he will not play until he has a few practices in, and the team can see what kind of shape he is in.
 
Fillmoe said:
Mike Bibby was said to be sad to see his good friend Peja Stojakovic go, but was said to be thrilled to get a talent like Ron in return.

What's everyones take on the possibility that Mike and Peja didn't get along? In Aleine's column today, she mentions that Mike and Peja weren't able to connect at any level.
 
I'm sure Bonzi is thrilled to know he was trade bait. Then again, it's part of the nba landscape. Can't take it too hard. You hear complaints about "loyalty to the team" etc. But these players are constantly being shopped. I don't blame them for just going to whoever will pay the most.
 
Sachornet said:
What's everyones take on the possibility that Mike and Peja didn't get along? In Aleine's column today, she mentions that Mike and Peja weren't able to connect at any level.

I think there were some chemistry issues that happened when Webb was here that kind of split the team into two camps... Webb, Bibby, BJax, Doug, and Peja/Vlade. Don't know if they ever recovered completely.
 
Sachornet said:
What's everyones take on the possibility that Mike and Peja didn't get along? In Aleine's column today, she mentions that Mike and Peja weren't able to connect at any level.

It really is hard to speculate but it is interesting to note that while Mike complained vehemently about both the Christie and Webber trades (at least according to media reports), he seems to be relatively excited about having Artest on the Kings. With that being said, it really is difficult to use that as any sort of a basis for citing a rift between Mike and Peja. But it certainly is food for thought.
 
Sparky said:
I'm sure Bonzi is thrilled to know he was trade bait.

I wonder how much truth there is to the rumor that he asked to be shopped now.

I heard that he was rumbling about not being satisfied with the Kings and such.
 
vj9999 said:
According to

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_15875.shtml

we were supposed to give Indiana one more player. So maybe Ron's agent did us a favor by almost ruining the deal since it spared us giving up Martin or Garcia?!

That was awesome. I would have really hated to lose Cisco and/or KMart. I heard of a Bonzi with KMart for Ron and I'm glad we worked it out with a straight Peja trade. It's also nice because they play the same position and are both starters so it works out good and easy that way. We really need some more offensive guards off the bench
 
playmaker0017 said:
I wonder how much truth there is to the rumor that he asked to be shopped now.

I heard that he was rumbling about not being satisfied with the Kings and such.


Bonzi wants to be shopped!?:eek:
 
BMiller52 said:
Bonzi wants to be shopped!?:eek:

No thats BS. I think he wasnt happy at the way the team was performing, but getting Artest who plays with him in the summer in Indy will make him think about wanting to stay further. Wanting to be traded and not being happy about the season are like apples and oranges.
 
Fillmoe said:
Three Things To Know About The Artest Deal…

The Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers triggered a deal yesterday that sent Peja Stojakovic to the Pacers in exchange for the troublesome but talented Ron Artest. The deal had it issues along the way, and several incarnations of this deal took place before it became official. Here are some of the behind the scenes actions that made this deal happen…

#1 – IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN BONZI: A well placed Kings source explained that the original offer was Bonzi Wells, and that was interesting to the Pacers if it included Francisco Garcia or Kevin Martin. Bonzi got hurt and the deal got scrapped. When the Pacers started looking at the Clippers offer of Corey Maggette, the injury concerns about whether or not Corey needs a screw inserted in his foot, brought the Kings back to the table with a Peja deal… The Pacers made a push to get more than just Peja, and the Kings were about to toss in a 2nd player, when news of the deal leaked, and Ron Artest’s agent threw water on the deal.

#2 – THE PACERS APPLIED THE PRESSURE: After news of the trade broke and Artest’s agent made the statement that Ron did not want to be a King, the Pacers called a face to face meeting with Ron, his agent and Player’s Union chief Billy Hunter. The Pacers made it abundantly clear to Ron they were prepared to suspend him without pay for the balance of the season if Ron did not become more cooperative with the process. He was urged to have a call with Maloofs, at which time all of Ron’s concerns were put to rest, and all of the Maloof’s concerns were also put to rest, and the deal moved forward. The Pacers refuse to discuss the tone of the meeting, but a Pacer’s source say Ron was explained where he stood legally and what the Pacers were prepared to do.

#3 – THE FUTURE: Peja is a short term tryout… The Pacers are not sold that Peja will stay beyond the season, but see him as a good fit to spread the floor – if his shot starts falling. The Pacers did try and extract an additional player from the Kings – word is it was Francisco Garcia, the Pacers coveted, but ultimately Ron’s outburst saved the Kings a player, and cost the Pacers a promising young guy. The Kings view Ron as exactly what they are missing… toughness and defense. Mike Bibby was said to be sad to see his good friend Peja Stojakovic go, but was said to be thrilled to get a talent like Ron in return. Kings players publicly say they are looking forward to Ron joining the team, and Ron should be a fan favorite in ARCO Arena.

Peja Stojakovic may not join the Pacers for several days as he was given permission to get his affairs in order. Ron Artest is expected to meet the Kings in Boston and may be in uniform for the Kings in Boston, although Kings sources say he will not play until he has a few practices in, and the team can see what kind of shape he is in.

Without going into a lot of detail, this stuff reeks. It is incorrect on so many levels that it's not worth discussing.

HOOPSWORLD writers are not real sports journalists. They are, from what I can tell, amateurs who simply post their thoughts as articles.

Bonzi hasn't asked to be shopped. Bonzi wasn't a part of any trade offer to the Pacers. There wasn't any draft pick talk.

How do I know these things? I know them. You can choose to believe them or not but articles like the ones above are not, in my opinion, worth the paper they're written on.
 
VF21 said:
Without going into a lot of detail, this stuff reeks. It is incorrect on so many levels that it's not worth discussing.

HOOPSWORLD writers are not real sports journalists. They are, from what I can tell, amateurs who simply post their thoughts as articles.

Bonzi hasn't asked to be shopped. Bonzi wasn't a part of any trade offer to the Pacers. There wasn't any draft pick talk.

How do I know these things? I know them. You can choose to believe them or not but articles like the ones above are not, in my opinion, worth the paper they're written on.

I doubt that whole article was true. At the same time, I don't think Jermaine O'Neal pulled his "I'd like to play with Bonzi" comments out of thin air. And Petrie would have been crazy to offer Peja before he offered Bonzi. It's only logical that Bonzi would have been the first offer.
 
Bricklayer said:
Would he now?

Its not all about points.

Given that Bonzi hasn't been much better on defense than Peja, and really not that much better rebounding, and is not the scorer Peja is, I'd say that regardless of how happy we are with Bonzi this year Peja had more value, and if you're the GM you offer the lesser player first.

P.S. I take back the rebounding point, Bonzi's been much better, but the rest stands.
 
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Bonzi was arguably the best player on the team before his injury. Since then, Bibby has emerged as the King of Kings. peja has not even been in the running this year. Bonzi is a keeper. I hope we can keep him. When Artest gets into the groove and Bonzi comes back, I think it will be a whole new season.
 
nbrans said:
I doubt that whole article was true. At the same time, I don't think Jermaine O'Neal pulled his "I'd like to play with Bonzi" comments out of thin air. And Petrie would have been crazy to offer Peja before he offered Bonzi. It's only logical that Bonzi would have been the first offer.

I don't think offering Bonzi ahead of Peja would have made any sense at all. Petrie traded Bobby Jackson away to bring Bonzi here. I don't think he'd give him up at this juncture, especially when Bonzi seems to be fitting in and adding to the team.
 
VF21 said:
I don't think offering Bonzi ahead of Peja would have made any sense at all. Petrie traded Bobby Jackson away to bring Bonzi here. I don't think he'd give him up at this juncture, especially when Bonzi seems to be fitting in and adding to the team.

I'm not sure I follow. If Petrie traded Bonzi for Artest it would have essentially meant trading Bobby Jackson and Ostertag for Artest, which would have been a SERIOUS coup. As it stands, I'm very happy for Peja for Artest, but just because Bonzi has been having a good season prior to injury doesn't mean it wouldn't have made great sense to ship him out for Artest.

If it went down that way there still would be plenty of places to trade Peja.
 
nbrans said:
Given that Bonzi hasn't been much better on defense than Peja, and really not that much better rebounding, and is not the scorer Peja is, I'd say that regardless of how happy we are with Bonzi this year Peja had more value, and if you're the GM you offer the lesser player first.

P.S. I take back the rebounding point, Bonzi's been much better, but the rest stands.

To be brutally honest, Petrie did offer the lesser player first...and the Pacers accepted.

Sorry, but Peja of 2006 was not the Peja of prior years. We knew it, he knew it. He struggled consistently, his shot was sporatic at best, he has been plagued with a myriad of injuries.

Bonzi has a groin pull. When recovered - and that's probably only a week or so more away - he is a much better asset for the Kings at this point in time.

Sure Jermaine O'Neal said he wanted him. Why? Because he's no good? No way. JO commented on him because he - and the rest of the league - have seen what Petrie hoped would happen. Bonzi has come here and, so far at least, has rehabbed his career and been an asset to our team.

The only place where a Bonzi for Artest trade makes sense is in some fantasy owner's minds and, apparently, in one contributor's mind on HOOPSWORLD.
 
VF21 said:
To be brutally honest, Petrie did offer the lesser player first...and the Pacers accepted.

Sorry, but Peja of 2006 was not the Peja of prior years. We knew it, he knew it. He struggled consistently, his shot was sporatic at best, he has been plagued with a myriad of injuries.

Bonzi has a groin pull. When recovered - and that's probably only a week or so more away - he is a much better asset for the Kings at this point in time.

Sure Jermaine O'Neal said he wanted him. Why? Because he's no good? No way. JO commented on him because he - and the rest of the league - have seen what Petrie hoped would happen. Bonzi has come here and, so far at least, has rehabbed his career and been an asset to our team.

The only place where a Bonzi for Artest trade makes sense is in some fantasy owner's minds and, apparently, in one contributor's mind on HOOPSWORLD.

I definitely agree with you that Bonzi was the better player this year, but that wasn't the point I was trying to convey. I believe Peja, because he's such a great shooter, had more value on the trade market and is the better overall player despite what happened this year. I just think you start with offering the lower-value player first so you still have the flexibility of trading Peja as well.

I'm probably biased since I don't think Bonzi is going to be around long term and believe he's not going to be as easy to move as Peja was, so that's probably where our differences are stemming from.
 
You offer the player of lesser value to YOU first.

But of course if you are going off of the assumpotion that both would absolutely be moved then that obviously distorts things.
 
Bricklayer said:
You offer the player of lesser value to YOU first.

But of course if you are going off of the assumpotion that both would absolutely be moved then that obviously distorts things.

Not just to me. There are many players like Bonzi in the league. There aren't many like Peja. You act like I like Peja more than Bonzi, and that's not true. I'm dispassionate on this one -- my first post on this board was about getting Bonzi, and I've written countless posts about trading Peja. The fact remains is that teams need shooting, and a player like Peja will always be in demand. With Bonzi, it's more of a right-place-right-team situation. Peja had the higher value. I'm not displeased with the outcome, but I also would have offered Bonzi first, and I believe that that's what actually happened.
 
There are a lot of players like Peja 2006 in the league, nbrans. The Peja 2002-2004 model is the classic; the one that would attract the myriad offers.
 
VF21 said:
There are a lot of players like Peja 2006 in the league, nbrans. The Peja 2002-2004 model is the classic; the one that would attract the myriad offers.

His value isn't what it was, but he's still one of the best shooters in the league. There aren't many players like that.
 
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