Has Kevin settled in?

Substitute Webber for Martin and you've pretty much got it.

Webber may have been the best player we've ever had on this team in the Sacramento era. Yet he wasn't good enough for some Kings fans. He didn't score every time he shot the ball. He didn't grab every possible rebound. He didn't make every single free throw. He was injury prone! He was a bum!

Kevin Martin is a nice player, but not nearly the calibre of Webber. Yet for some reason, people think he should score every time he shoots the ball. He should grab every possible rebound. He should make every single free throw (and he almost does!). He's injury prone! He's a bum!

I think some fans just have to blame someone when we don't win. It's the nature of sports. In football, it's almost always the quarterback who is ripped to shreds by fans. In basketball, it's some particular veteran and usually it's a player that a lot of other fans really like.

A lot of fans liked Webber. There was some kind of jealous reaction in other fans that caused them to rip into him simple to annoy fans who stood up for him.

I'm seeing that a lot of people like Martin. I'm sensing the same kind of reaction against him.

Makes no real sense, but it's how some fans need to behave.
I call hogwash. By and large the people calling for Webb to be moved were the Peja jockers that believed with Webb gone Peja could lead the team to the promised land. It's the same kind of player before team BS that has lead some on this board to label anyone that even suggests Martin could be moved a "hater". Kevin is a nice player, but like you acknowledge he's not on the level of Webber. Yet many here have tried to elevate him to that level, continuing to insist that he is all-star level even now that we have a guard who is all-star level and can see just how hard it is for him to crack the team. Kevin is a nice player and it seems an even nicer guy, but if the team can improve by moving him we just need to let go before it's too late.
 
I call hogwash. By and large the people calling for Webb to be moved were the Peja jockers that believed with Webb gone Peja could lead the team to the promised land. It's the same kind of player before team BS that has lead some on this board to label anyone that even suggests Martin could be moved a "hater". Kevin is a nice player, but like you acknowledge he's not on the level of Webber. Yet many here have tried to elevate him to that level, continuing to insist that he is all-star level even now that we have a guard who is all-star level and can see just how hard it is for him to crack the team. Kevin is a nice player and it seems an even nicer guy, but if the team can improve by moving him we just need to let go before it's too late.

True, some of the Peja supporters turned into anti-Webber supporters, but that was a little bit later, after the team started to decline a bit. But even when we were winning and dominating other teams, there were Webber haters galore.

I'm not speculating on any trades. I usually don't participate in trade talk because it's usually pointless. I appreciate that people like the game of let's trade so-and-so for some guy. But I find it a little boring and mainly frustrating. Petrie will do what Petire will do.

I'm simply curious why there are so many Martin bashers when I don't see him as the great evil that others do. And some of that bashing has a tone of jealousy, or something. I don't know.
 
Or maybe, like you said, there are Evans fans who don't want anyone else to take shots from him, similar to Peja fans who resented Webber. Hmmm... possibility, I suppose.
 
Or maybe, like you said, there are Evans fans who don't want anyone else to take shots from him, similar to Peja fans who resented Webber. Hmmm... possibility, I suppose.
For me its less about Evans who is going to be great, period, than the effect on Donte and Casspi's development and the risk of losing them and having them blow up Gerald Wallace style.
 
Silliness. KMart's value is at an all-time low right now. You're proposing the equivalent of a panic sale. The classic sell-low and buy-high.

1) saying that Kevin's value is the lowest it has ever been right now is NOT the same thing as saying its the lowest it ever will be. And as an aside, your buy-high is completely out of place. Buy what high? Who? Its sell low perhaps -- you seem to consistently claim to know every possible deal that is and is not available, I make fewer such claims and have not given up hope yet -- but its sell low as opposed to end up selling lower, or not at all.

OK, let's say we trade KMart, for who? Josh Howard? T-Mac? Jose Calderson? If you just simply want to trade KMart for cap space, I got news for you, you can get that deal anytime - this summer, next season, or even the season after that. KMart for expiring is about the lowest value you can reasonably get for him. This is what I mean by sell-low, buy-high.

This may be too long to read, but its fleshed out as much as I am going to:

I have only recently began to consider the KMart for capspace type deals as options -- there is a reason that they begin to look less ridiculous. What you fail to consider is two things:

1) it is almost impossible for Kevin to rebound his value this year to something significantly higher than whatever it is now. The reasoning: right now Kevin's current play would make him essentially untradeable -- if people really thought he was a 38% shooting 17ppg scorer moping around out there at $11mil a year, there would be no market at all. His value today is based on past performance. A past that is receding daily further in the rearview mirror. I would assume that we all agree that IF Kevin's performance were to continue on at its current level that his value would be ever sinking -- the longer the poor performance continued and the further in the past his better days appear, the lower the value gets right? But, you say, he's Kevin, he will bounce back! To which I say: not enough.

If Kevin's residual value right now is as a 23-24ppg SG, he has NO chance to return to those numbers. The reason? Well partially being knocked down the totem pole to 2nd option by Reke. But also because of the factor that epople are overlooking: the logjam. Cisco is about to come back. Already in play are Casspi, Greene, Nocioni, Udrih, Udoka, and Sergio. Not to mention Reke. We are absolutely stuffed to the gills with swingmen clamoring for minutes and shots. There is simply no way that Kevin can EVER return to his former numbers in that situation. And realistically as Tyreke continues his ascent, scores more and more in the future, no way for Kevin to return to his former numebrs for us basically ever. Now can he play better than he has to date? Sure. He very well might. But he's never going to approach the old numbers. And whatever modest improvement he makes is going to be more than offset by the fact that his 23-24ppg seasons are receding into history. Rather than trying to move a 23-24ppg scorer struggling in a bad situation the last month, you are trying to move a 20ppg scorer (maybe -- its been 17 since his return) who doesn't seem to be able to average anymore as a second fiddle. In the current situation assessments will vary -- you have the unknown on your side and some peopel will give him benefit of the doubt, others not. After a full year of this, or even longer, assessments will no longer vary. He's going to be a 20ppg (maybe) scorer with a big contract, no longer that young, no longer talked about as a future All Star. And that's if he doesn't get hurt again -- which he has done every year for the last three -- at which point the market may entirely dry up. If we win, the kids will (appropriately) get credit -- no team is goingto think that all of a sudden Kevin Martin is making the Kings win after years of lottery teams. And if we lose, well the ground is already very well prepared for Kevin to take that fall. There are just far more ways for his value to continue to plummet than for it to bounce back.

2) and here is the kicker -- while Kevin himself might stabilize his value at current levels with both less good and less bad, EVERYBODY ELSE at those positions are going to be losing value and/or development time. This isn't just about Kevin. Its not even primarily about Kevin. Its about big long term contracts we owe Noc and Beno and Cisco. Its about young kids who are the future of the franchise and need every minute, shot, and chance to grow as a team that we can throw at them like Donte and Casspi. Every single one of those assets suffers damage while Kevin si around -- the vets losing shots/minutes such that trading them becomes basically impossible. $6-$9mil guys scoring in single digits and averaging 15mpg. And rapidly developing kids who's minutes, shots, and responsibilities are all shaved by Kevin's presence.

Months ago I defied anyone to list out a minutes/shots grid that worked for that kind of extreme logjam. There just really isn't any. And when I made that challenge I was primarily asking "how can it work" as in how can we win. If you change the question to "how can all of the veterans maintain or increase their trade value and all of the kids maximize their development" its just not even close.

This again goes to that "Kevin is not evil" side of things. Kevin's presence, just by being what he is, causes huge ripples for us far beyond the question of whether Kevin himself can play as a secnd fiddle or mope. It impacts half a dozen other assets of ours, and every single one of them in a negative fashion. The ONLY way to justify that sort of damage is if Kevin himself were going to dramatically increase his own value. But as mentioned he cannot do so in this situation, as a second fiddle, sitting atop talented youth and a stack of depreciating veterans all clamoring for time. At best, and this is far from a sure thing, all he can do is possibly maintain his own value at its current level. Meanwhile half a dozen of his teammates suffer for it.
 
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You know, what is getting rather old around here is you. If you have something substantive to post you had best around to doing it, because if all you are going to do is run around from thread to thread whining about me you are going to find out two things 1) that I ain't going anywhere; and b) that I am rapidly going to run out of use for you.

You don't like something I post, attack it on its merits, if you can. Many successful posters aorund here regularly disagree with me. They are of course wrong, but they make quality posts. If you can't...best to leave it alone.

I'm never wrong when we get in an argument. Though, there has maybe been one time. Now we disagree about the chances of success the Kevans backcourt has. I think that it can work itself out, but I am constantly discouraged by the overall lack of production when they are on the court together (not to mention Kevin's apparent emotionless body language always on display). My feeling is that it SHOULD be better. It hasn't yet. The silly optimist in me thinks that it could develop into a Billups-Hamilton style backcourt.

Now to address the question, Can Kevin be our Jamaal Crawford?

He isn't coming off the bench. Not now, when the team has won 18 games. But, the more I think about it, the more i'm leaning towards Crawford as a good career comparison for Kevin. I hope his doesn't go that way, of course, but look at it. They both struggled to find a spot in the waning years of a decent team. They both exploded off the bench within 3 years. They both graduated to full time starter. Now Chicago, in the 04 offseason, was in the exact position that we will be with Kevin in this offseason. Do we trade our (still) young high volume scoring guard? Or do we keep him with the young guns and try to make it work?

Petrie is a better GM than Paxson, so I think we will keep him with this crew a little longer. Crawford is a coupon version of Martin, but their careers are quite parallel so far.
 
Shrill? :D :D

That's wonderful! You're a master at this. I ask you a question you simply can't answer because you have no evidence to support your claim, and look at your response!

This is so funny! I love it.

So I will now assume that there is no problem with team chemistry since nobody can show me any evidence of such. Other than I'm supposed to read posters comments as proof? You're kidding, right? That's hilarious!


Stop.

And before you even think of coming back with something cute, understand that this is the death spiral. I have seen it hundreds of times before. So for your own sake, stop.

If you problems with this, take it to PMs. This thread will no longer be hijacked by this sort of nonsense. Anything else in this vein will be deleted. If you persist, the source itself will be deleted.
 
Its not even primarily about Kevin. Its about big long term contracts we owe Noc and Beno and Cisco. Its about young kids who are the future of the franchise and need every minute, shot, and chance to grow as a team that we can throw at them like Donte and Casspi. Every single one of those assets suffers damage while Kevin si around

So why aren't we talking as vigorously about trading Noc, Beno, and Cisco?
Are you saying they're untradeable right now? and that the only one out of the 4 that is even tradeable is Kevin?

Seems to me our team has roughly three groups in regards to trades after K9:

Young with upside and shouldn't be Traded:
  • Tyreke
  • Donte
  • Omri
  • Hawes
  • JT
Young/old with cheap/short contracts that can be used as trade pieces:
  • Sergio
  • Hilton Armstrong
  • Ime Udoka
  • Sean May
Middleaged guys who have reached their ceiling with bigger contracts that we could be looking to move:
  • Beno
  • Nocioni
  • Cisco
  • Martin
If we had to include martin in a trade that got rid of beno's and noc's, then I'd be interested. Any combination of the 2nd and 3rd groups of guys for a right-priced, right-aged big guy would be interesting. Getting rid of Martin just because 'his trade value is probably declining' just isn't very compelling to me.
 
So why aren't we talking as vigorously about trading Noc, Beno, and Cisco?
Are you saying they're untradeable right now? and that the only one out of the 4 that is even tradeable is Kevin?
Beno and Cisco may be tradeable but they are relatively cheap. Some of us actually think Cisco is an ideal role player to pair with Evans and Greene. At which point we'd need to move Beno. Noc who is the biggest obstacle to the young guys getting minutes besides Martin right now is starting to look like Kenny Thomas, and until he starts pouting and becoming a full time disruption we can survive. We may be able to move Martin solely to move Noc but we'll get little back, maybe even someone else's problem. I think trying to get a big in return for Martin + filler is the better move.
 
I think trying to get a big in return for Martin + filler is the better move.

I can buy into this conceptually, its just that all the rumours I've read along this vein are rather uncompelling, as I think if we're trading for a big, it should be either some legitimate guy with a big contract or a young guy with potential:

Samuel Dalembert - is at his ceiling as a player, and has a large/long contract
Emeka Okefor - even larger contract than Sam
Troy Murphy - Will only be hear a year before the end of his contract, and isn't the type of big guy (read: Defensive presence) that I think we should be looking for
Tyrus Thomas - Bulls want a 1st round pick (more valuable than Martin imho)
Chris Bosh - Not likely to happen, though I would support it if it did

not sure which ones I missed, I'm sure there's more.
 
I have to disagree with you here. There are still many who feel that this amount of time has not been sufficient to gauge whether or not Kevin can work with Tyreke. "He's only been back a few weeks." "Six/Ten/Twelve games are not enough to judge how he fits in with this young crew."

It can always go lower. One more injury should do it, but Garcia's minutes will have a bigger negative impact than Kevin's ability to mesh.


Of course KMart's value can go lower, just like any player on any team. By the same token, his value can also go higher.

If I have to bet, I'll bet that his value will go up instead of down in the near future.

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Of course KMart's value can go lower, just like any player on any team. By the same token, his value can also go higher.

If I have to bet, I'll bet that his value will go up instead of down in the near future.

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I don't know whether his trade value will go up or down. That will depend on his health most likely. I do hope that he becomes more valuable on this team. Not for a trade, but for wins. I'm not ready to give up the Evans/Martin back court yet for some old has-been center who may not be any better than what we have.
 
I'm not ready to give up the Evans/Martin back court yet for some old has-been center who may not be any better than what we have.
The majority of trade suggestions have all involved players younger than Martin. I can only think of two that involved older players and those players were expiring contracts.
 
He's doing well despite the fact that you can still see there is pain in that left wrist.

How many games do players need to really feel comfortable together and start to play well? Look at history. It can take more than just games, it can take a season or more. Kevin and Reke have played together a relative handful of games. Last night, I started to see them work together like they haven't before. Kevin holding two defenders, Reke moving the ball..

Let's face it folks. They both require a lot of attention from the opposing defense so someone is going to be wide open.

They're still working out all that. It doesn't come overnight.

The key to success is, neither of these guys are selfish.

I totally agree with this post.

As far as some of the other stuff that's been said in here, I'm very disappointed that it seems more and more common for people who disagree with something to resort to bullying or name-calling. Not my idea of what KF ever was or should be about...

Martin and Evans could easily work out very well together. We're a rebuilding team and we've got a long way to go.

As far as chemistry issues go, I certainly didn't see any indications of them either on TV or in the games I've been lucky enough to attend in person. Sometimes players get frustrated but it doesn't have to mean they've become locker-room cancers.

Bottom line is I think people should accept the fact Martin most likely isn't going anywhere right now and deal with it. And, consistent with the long-standing traditions of Kingsfans.com, I think they should do it without resorting to derogatory comments, insults, etc. I think we're all mature enough to be able to state our opinions without having to act like either spoiled children or politicians.

GO KINGS!
 
The majority of trade suggestions have all involved players younger than Martin. I can only think of two that involved older players and those players were expiring contracts.

A has been doesn't have to be old, just someone who's already seen their peak. Usually, if a team is willing to let go of a big, it's because the guy has seen better days. It's very rare to get a young Shaq or a young Dwight. I think you'd have to give up a Kobe to get one. Do you want to give up our young Kobe?

The draft may be the only place to find value.
 
Do you want to give up our young Kobe?
Are you suggesting that player is Martin?

I think we all understand we aren't getting Shaq or Howard, but we can take on a one dimensional big that would still be an improvement over what we've got and free up space for Donte and Omri.
 
1) saying that Kevin's value is the lowest it has ever been right now is NOT the same thing as saying its the lowest it ever will be. And as an aside, your buy-high is completely out of place. Buy what high? Who? Its sell low perhaps -- you seem to consistently claim to know every possible deal that is and is not available, I make fewer such claims and have not given up hope yet -- but its sell low as opposed to end up selling lower, or not at all.

This may be too long to read, but its fleshed out as much as I am going to:

I have only recently began to consider the KMart for capspace type deals as options -- there is a reason that they begin to look less ridiculous. What you fail to consider is two things:

1) it is almost impossible for Kevin to rebound his value this year to something significantly higher than whatever it is now.

2) and here is the kicker -- while Kevin himself might stabilize his value at current levels with both less good and less bad, EVERYBODY ELSE at those positions are going to be losing value and/or development time. This isn't just about Kevin.

Well, a trade is both a sell (the players you give up) and a buy (the players you take back). Hence, sell-low buy-high because you're selling KMart low and buying back expiring contracts at a high price (more than other teams are willing to trade for the same expiring contracts).

1) If KMart continues to shoot 38% then sure his value might go down a little (though not that much because his type of SG is still in limited supply). But we all know KMart is better than that, he is not going to shoot 38% for the rest of the season. Even if he becomes a 44% 17ppg type of SG, that's still going to increase his value. KMart is trying to figure out how to play second fiddle, which is exactly the type of role whatever team trades for him wants him to be. In fact, the KMart that appeared in the last two games is just the type of "I do not need the ball but I can make shots when I do" player that playoff teams want. If KMart continues that style of play, his value is going to increase without a doubt. In fact, a playoff team will be more comfortable trading for a 17ppg opportunistic shooter than a 24ppg shot-hawking volume shooter.


2) The logjam can be solved by trading Noc/Beno. In fact, KMart is the only true SG on this team. Greene, Casspi, and Garcia are more natural SF, so removing KMart means someone is playing out of position. The more logical and straightforward solution is to get rid of Noc, Beno, or both. Or simply give the mins to Greene/Casspi and sit Noc/Beno. My hunch is that Garcia is probably not coming back until March and even then it'll take him at least couple weeks to get into game shape. So there may be about a 3-4 week period where Garcia/Greene/Casspi are all willing and able. A small window. So really, Garcia's return should not be a cause for panic. Even if the Kings wait until the summer to solve the logjam, it's not too late.

I am open to trading KMart, but it must be for someone useful (a good young player or a high draft pick, etc).

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Are you suggesting that player is Martin?

I think we all understand we aren't getting Shaq or Howard, but we can take on a one dimensional big that would still be an improvement over what we've got and free up space for Donte and Omri.

LOL! No, duh. Obviously it's Tyreke.

I think Tyreke is the only player of enough value to get the all-star big we want and I'm not willing to trade him for that.
 
Anything less than an all-star Center, in my opinion, puts the player in the group of what we've already got. I'm not impressed with Okefor or Dalembert or the like.
 
I am not a fan of Dalembert. Okafor I think is worth taking on and is definitely an improvement on the defensive end over anyone on this team, and don't forget that rumor involved KT.
 
Well, a trade is both a sell (the players you give up) and a buy (the players you take back). Hence, sell-low buy-high because you're selling KMart low and buying back expiring contracts at a high price (more than other teams are willing to trade for the same expiring contracts).
With all due respect that is not the proper accepted usage of the term. You buy, then you sell. Obviously whatever we got for Kevin would be the value of that sale since NBA transactions aren't on a pure cash basis. It is high or low.

We already bought low (mid 20th pick). The question is whether we sell him or keep him.
 
With all due respect that is not the proper accepted usage of the term. You buy, then you sell. Obviously whatever we got for Kevin would be the value of that sale since NBA transactions aren't on a pure cash basis. It is high or low.

Ok, fine. My bet.


We already bought low (mid 20th pick). The question is whether we sell him or keep him.

Whether the Kings got KMart high or low has absolutely no relevance to whether we trade him. Whether we trade him or keep him depends on several things, including but limited to how well he fit into the team and how much other teams are giving up for him. And that question does not have to be addressed this season.

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Overtime vs. the Knicks was Kevin's best playing streak I've seen in a while. None of that drive, run into someone and jump backwards and hope for a foul crap. He did what he does best. Catch and shoot. Thats what he did that year where he was just crazy efficient. If he couldn't catch and shoot, he took 2 or 3 dribbles to the left or right and then shot. Thats where he's the most efficient and at his best. Not trying to get to the line every play. If he can get back into that habit instead of the nasty habit he's been in the last few years, he'll have his game back and things might work out with Tyreke Evans.
 
Overtime vs. the Knicks was Kevin's best playing streak I've seen in a while. None of that drive, run into someone and jump backwards and hope for a foul crap. He did what he does best. Catch and shoot. Thats what he did that year where he was just crazy efficient. If he couldn't catch and shoot, he took 2 or 3 dribbles to the left or right and then shot. Thats where he's the most efficient and at his best. Not trying to get to the line every play. If he can get back into that habit instead of the nasty habit he's been in the last few years, he'll have his game back and things might work out with Tyreke Evans.

Thanks for putting it so succinctly. I've been trying to say the same things, but with way too many words.

I'm still firmly convinced there is a potential for Evans-Martin to be very successful.
 
I am not a fan of Dalembert. Okafor I think is worth taking on and is definitely an improvement on the defensive end over anyone on this team, and don't forget that rumor involved KT.

Problem is, that was because they were over the luxury tax at the time. We helped them get under the tax with the Hilton thing. Not sure if they really want to trade him now......anyone know?
 
1) saying that Kevin's value is the lowest it has ever been right now is NOT the same thing as saying its the lowest it ever will be. And as an aside, your buy-high is completely out of place. Buy what high? Who? Its sell low perhaps -- you seem to consistently claim to know every possible deal that is and is not available, I make fewer such claims and have not given up hope yet -- but its sell low as opposed to end up selling lower, or not at all.



This may be too long to read, but its fleshed out as much as I am going to:

I have only recently began to consider the KMart for capspace type deals as options -- there is a reason that they begin to look less ridiculous. What you fail to consider is two things:

1) it is almost impossible for Kevin to rebound his value this year to something significantly higher than whatever it is now. The reasoning: right now Kevin's current play would make him essentially untradeable -- if people really thought he was a 38% shooting 17ppg scorer moping around out there at $11mil a year, there would be no market at all. His value today is based on past performance. A past that is receding daily further in the rearview mirror. I would assume that we all agree that IF Kevin's performance were to continue on at its current level that his value would be ever sinking -- the longer the poor performance continued and the further in the past his better days appear, the lower the value gets right? But, you say, he's Kevin, he will bounce back! To which I say: not enough.

If Kevin's residual value right now is as a 23-24ppg SG, he has NO chance to return to those numbers. The reason? Well partially being knocked down the totem pole to 2nd option by Reke. But also because of the factor that epople are overlooking: the logjam. Cisco is about to come back. Already in play are Casspi, Greene, Nocioni, Udrih, Udoka, and Sergio. Not to mention Reke. We are absolutely stuffed to the gills with swingmen clamoring for minutes and shots. There is simply no way that Kevin can EVER return to his former numbers in that situation. And realistically as Tyreke continues his ascent, scores more and more in the future, no way for Kevin to return to his former numebrs for us basically ever. Now can he play better than he has to date? Sure. He very well might. But he's never going to approach the old numbers. And whatever modest improvement he makes is going to be more than offset by the fact that his 23-24ppg seasons are receding into history. Rather than trying to move a 23-24ppg scorer struggling in a bad situation the last month, you are trying to move a 20ppg scorer (maybe -- its been 17 since his return) who doesn't seem to be able to average anymore as a second fiddle. In the current situation assessments will vary -- you have the unknown on your side and some peopel will give him benefit of the doubt, others not. After a full year of this, or even longer, assessments will no longer vary. He's going to be a 20ppg (maybe) scorer with a big contract, no longer that young, no longer talked about as a future All Star. And that's if he doesn't get hurt again -- which he has done every year for the last three -- at which point the market may entirely dry up. If we win, the kids will (appropriately) get credit -- no team is goingto think that all of a sudden Kevin Martin is making the Kings win after years of lottery teams. And if we lose, well the ground is already very well prepared for Kevin to take that fall. There are just far more ways for his value to continue to plummet than for it to bounce back.

2) and here is the kicker -- while Kevin himself might stabilize his value at current levels with both less good and less bad, EVERYBODY ELSE at those positions are going to be losing value and/or development time. This isn't just about Kevin. Its not even primarily about Kevin. Its about big long term contracts we owe Noc and Beno and Cisco. Its about young kids who are the future of the franchise and need every minute, shot, and chance to grow as a team that we can throw at them like Donte and Casspi. Every single one of those assets suffers damage while Kevin si around -- the vets losing shots/minutes such that trading them becomes basically impossible. $6-$9mil guys scoring in single digits and averaging 15mpg. And rapidly developing kids who's minutes, shots, and responsibilities are all shaved by Kevin's presence.

This is the longer version of the post you used responding to me earlier. I must say it's well thought out and there are parts of it I agree with.

However, I am not sure I agree with the main premise or am totally worried about the secondary premise at this point.

1 - Kevin's trade value can certainly get higher than it is now. I don't think any GMs see Kevin as a future cornerstone, but he can go a long way towards proving he is a good complementary player if he can co-exist with Reke and score efficiently again (even if his PPG is lower). In terms of his trade value right now, we are looking either at players we don't want or expiring contracts. Barring a terrible injury, I can't see teams being unwilling to part with expiring contracts for KMart, even if his play does not recover. He's still only 26, so the upside there would be too high to pass on. I mean we were considering expiring contracts for Okafor and Dalembert earlier in the year when both of them were playing like garbage for losing teams. On the contrary - if KMart plays well as Reke's #2, shows improvement in other areas (ast, rb, D) now that he is spending less energy on offense and sees his efficiency numbers rise again which is very likely, then his trade value can certainly go up next year.

2 - As for our other players losing value. Over the long term that would be more of a concern, but I think our young players will still get plenty of time, so at most we would be suppressing Noc and Beno's potential value. Considering the most we would probably ever get for those two are expiring contracts anyway, I am not too concerned. I'd rather try to acquire an asset for Kevin, than have better odds at getting an EC for Noc but losing Kevin for only ECs to enable that.
 
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