[GSW/DAL] "We're going to go like hell."

Hell, I guess I'm the only Kings Fan here pulling for the Mavericks...


I'm not particularly rooting either way -- and rooting for a #8 seed to knock off a 67 win team is a pretty pointless exercise. However, the Warriors earned this shot with superior play over the last few months, did a nice job revitralizing that franchise, and Baron has shown major flashes of being the megastud he was supposed to be way back when. Gutcheck time for Dirk and crew. Might have a similar dynamic to the Spurs/Kings #1/#8 of last year. Bad matchup, and the Mavs are going to have dig deep here and prove their mettle.

Besides, always fun to watch Cuban pout. ;)
 
And I have to give Barkley credit, as I thought that he made a VERY salient point tonight: why the hell is the #1 seed in the whole shebang trying to adjust to the #8 seed? If the Mavericks are the best team in the league, as they are alleged to be, they should be making the Warriors adjust to them, not the other way around.

That's one thing that I can say that I like about Phoenix; the Suns aren't going to try and match up with anybody. They don't give a **** what your style is, they're going to play their way, and make YOU adjust to THEM. And that's what Dallas should be doing.
 
Upset city baby! Go Dubs!

Nothing satisfies me more than to see this look on Cuban's face

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And I have to give Barkley credit, as I thought that he made a VERY salient point tonight: why the hell is the #1 seed in the whole shebang trying to adjust to the #8 seed? If the Mavericks are the best team in the league, as they are alleged to be, they should be making the Warriors adjust to them, not the other way around.

That's one thing that I can say that I like about Phoenix; the Suns aren't going to try and match up with anybody. They don't give a **** what your style is, they're going to play their way, and make YOU adjust to THEM. And that's what Dallas should be doing.


Well easier, and more necessary, for the Suns though. They have a very definite style, and really its the only way they play. The Mavs, they are a great team, but "their style", "their pace", are more open to interpetation. Part of what probably makes them so good is their ability to beat everybody at every pace. Except the Warriors it seems.
 
A very good day, indeed. Both the Lakers and Mavs lost. Couldn't happen to 2 nicer teams.........NOT!!

And, seeing Cuban ticked off like that.......sweeeeeet!! :D
 
And I have to give Barkley credit, as I thought that he made a VERY salient point tonight: why the hell is the #1 seed in the whole shebang trying to adjust to the #8 seed? If the Mavericks are the best team in the league, as they are alleged to be, they should be making the Warriors adjust to them, not the other way around.

That's one thing that I can say that I like about Phoenix; the Suns aren't going to try and match up with anybody. They don't give a **** what your style is, they're going to play their way, and make YOU adjust to THEM. And that's what Dallas should be doing.

I think a lot of the credit for this has to go to Nelson. When he coached the Mavs and ran funky lineups on the floor against the Kings, I seem to recall many a debate about whether the Kings should match up with the Mavs, or make the Mavs match up with them (and I seem to recall that the Kings often blinked first and tried to match up with Nellie).

And generally, Nelson does not change to try to match the other team's strengths. He's not afraid to put Harrington out there at C, even if it means he has to check Dampier --- Nelson is betting that Avery doesn't want Dampier chasing around Harrington more than Nelson doesn't want Harrington guarding Dampier, and for this game 1 he was right.

The other thing is that the Mavs have always had trouble with Baron Davis. When I lived in Dallas I usually tried to attend Davis' games against the Mavs because he would just shred their D (which back then was more often a nightly occurrence anyway for some player or another). I know this is a different Mavs team, but they still don't have the perfect player to try to stop a guy like Davis (as exposed last year in the Finals by DWade).
 
And I have to give Barkley credit, as I thought that he made a VERY salient point tonight: why the hell is the #1 seed in the whole shebang trying to adjust to the #8 seed? If the Mavericks are the best team in the league, as they are alleged to be, they should be making the Warriors adjust to them, not the other way around.

That's one thing that I can say that I like about Phoenix; the Suns aren't going to try and match up with anybody. They don't give a **** what your style is, they're going to play their way, and make YOU adjust to THEM. And that's what Dallas should be doing.

The reason they would adjust is the fact that for some odd reason Golden State has their number, the Mavs know the Warriors have 8 of the last 7 meetings and they want to make sure that changes, they put out a small lineup for speed to keep up, but i think it did end up hurting them, they lost some rebounding, and everybody was just flying to the basket, dirk was the biggest guy under it and you know he doesnt want to pick up fouls.

Im just glad GS is doing something since the Kings couldnt, im actually some what of a Mavs fan but i want to see the Warriors pull the biggest upset in NBA history.
 
One of the biggest upsets in history is now brewing.

I picked both the Warriors and Nuggets in 7 as big upset winners in the opening round of this years NBA playoffs. You have to remember B. Davis was injured for a lot of the season and when he was out the Warriors were pitiful. They might have been a 6th or no lower than 7th seed if he'd been healthy this year. Now that he's 100% the way they match up favorably with Dallas makes this series very interesting. Of course, if the W's had ended up anything but an 8th seed I probably would not have picked them to advance.

The Nuggets are similar in this respect. They only had the duo of Mello and AI together and jelling for only a small part of the season - but now look out! They might have been a 3rd or 4th seed if they had been together all 82 regular season games. The Spurs are in for a rough and tumble time in this series just like last year against the 8th seed Kings - but I think the Nuggets knock 'em off.

I should have put some money on it - but being I projected both going 7 games I wasn't that confident:)
 
The reason they would adjust is the fact that for some odd reason Golden State has their number, the Mavs know the Warriors have 8 of the last 7 meetings and they want to make sure that changes, they put out a small lineup for speed to keep up, but i think it did end up hurting them, they lost some rebounding, and everybody was just flying to the basket, dirk was the biggest guy under it and you know he doesnt want to pick up fouls.

Im just glad GS is doing something since the Kings couldnt, im actually some what of a Mavs fan but i want to see the Warriors pull the biggest upset in NBA history.
Like run-on sentences, do you? ;)

I think that the chicken came before the egg in this circumstance. I don't think that the Mavericks adjust to the Warriors because the Warriors have their number, I think that the Warriors have their number because the Mavericks adjust. It's just like when Dallas used to be a difficult matchup for us, back when we were the superior team: that matchup was difficult because Don Nelson outcoached Rick Adelman. He made Adelman "blink" first, just like he's making Avery Johnson "blink" first now.

I can just about guarantee you that you wouldn't see a Detroit or a San Antonio or a Miami play small ball to match up with Golden State; they're going to force feed the midgets (as Barkley would say) a steady diet of the paint, and dare you to beat them with jumpers four times out of seven... And I'd be willing to bet that they couldn't do it.

 
i now always wonder what the kings wouldve been like if the nelson came to the kings...

wonder what lineup up he wouldve put... mabye...

C - artest
PF - garcia
SF - martin
SG - price/douby
PG - bibby

wouldve been really fun to watch if it had worked out like the warriors lineup...

warriors... i love watching them play... ! very very fast, fun and full of offense!
 
I was rooting for GS and Baron Davis is one of my favorite PGs in the league. That was awesome to see him knock down 3 after 3 and then see Cuban about ready to explode. I don't really know if they have a chance but I hope they atleast exhaust the Mavs so that Houston(if they win) has an easier time with Dallas.

btw GSW is a really horrible match up for Dallas. Their speed lets them rotate over to all of Dallas's shooters, they can stay in front of Dallas when their players drive because they're small+quick, and the Mavs have no post game except Dirk goes into that 11-15 feet area sometimes and shoots a turn around J. But as far as scoring goes they're going to have a really hard time making the Warriors pay for going small.
 
I don't particularly like GS. But I will root for any team to beat the Mavs and put a sour face on Cuban. :D (This is just one game, tho.)
 
I respect what GS did last night.

Nelson has figured out a way into Avery's head. This is a psychological war as much as anything.

Also, you can't look at GS as a 42-40 team. You have to look at them as the team that went 16-5 (now 17-5) down the stretch, with the majority of those games on the road. This is a .650 team that needed to get over on a trade, then needed to get healthy, then needed to jell. If you add to all that the fact that Dallas doesn't match up well with GS, I think this makes some amount of sense.

That was the first game this year where AJ started Dirk at center. What is AJ thinking??

I want to credit the Warriors for one thing here, too... They were 9 games under .500, and could have just packed up and gone home at that point. Instead, they toughed it out, and won nine out of their last ten. They could have finished 14 under .500, had they felt like it, and gone for ping-pong balls.

I just respect what they did here, not taking the easy way out, instead getting into a playoff series where losing to Dallas in four by an average of 17 would have surprised exactly zero people.

I still think Dallas will win this series, but this is no gimme. A .650 team (which is what the Warriors actually are) CAN beat a 67 win team in a series (the shorter, the better, for sure).

In hockey, they say the best thing to have going in to the playoffs is a hot goalie. In the NBA, maybe the equivalent is a hot PG. I see a LOT of similarities to Wade in Baron Davis. That's the key right there. If Davis can just keep driving to the basket untouched, it's possible AJ won't figure this out in time to stop GS.

You wonder what Cuban does if GS pulls the upset. Would he fire AJ? If so, I can tell you who would jump to hire him: Don Nelson. AJ would be back in Oakland five minutes after Cuban fired him.
 
golden state is more athletic at all 5 positions. they looked impossible to gaurd last night. davis, richardson, barnes, jackson, harington, ellis, petrius. its rediculous. they need to keep doing what they've been doing all year against dallas. get up and down the court. the mavericks origional starting 5 wasnt the same last night. johnson tried to matchup with the warriors last night. that didnt work. what are they gona do now
 
i now always wonder what the kings wouldve been like if the nelson came to the kings...

wonder what lineup up he wouldve put... mabye...

C - artest
PF - garcia
SF - martin
SG - price/douby
PG - bibby

wouldve been really fun to watch if it had worked out like the warriors lineup...

warriors... i love watching them play... ! very very fast, fun and full of offense!


probably wouldve been

bibby
garcia
martin
artest
williams

but still, you cant compare the athleticism of bibby, garcia and martin to davis, ellis and richardson. they'd blow us out the gym. martin would be our best competition
 
I still maintain that Dallas should be making Golden State adjust to them, not the other way around; I believe that what Dallas would lose by Diop and Dampier not being able to keep up with Harrington and Nowitzki not being able to keep up with Stephen Jackson they would gain when Harrington and Jackson are physically incapable of getting any rebounds. Golden State isn't going to outshoot Dallas four times out of seven, because Dallas has four or five good shooters, and Golden State has, like, two. They're living and dying by mismatches, so go big, play a little matchup zone, and dare them to try and shoot over you.

As great as Davis has played, Nowitzki is still the best player in this series by far, and one of the things that has helped him transcend what he was his willingness to get in the paint and make something happen. So why is it that, against the one team in the playoffs that is the LEAST qualified to stop him from going off in the paint, he's settling for jumpers? Even if all Dirk did down low was that awkward-looking one-legged fadeaway, there isn't a single player on Golden State that can stop him from doing that; they should be posting Nowitzki on every possession.

Dallas' big problem is that they don't WANT to make Golden State match up with them; they want to prove that they can beat the Warriors at their own game. Which is a fool's errand, in my opinion.
 
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I picked both the Warriors and Nuggets in 7 as big upset winners in the opening round of this years NBA playoffs. You have to remember B. Davis was injured for a lot of the season and when he was out the Warriors were pitiful. They might have been a 6th or no lower than 7th seed if he'd been healthy this year. Now that he's 100% the way they match up favorably with Dallas makes this series very interesting. Of course, if the W's had ended up anything but an 8th seed I probably would not have picked them to advance.

The Nuggets are similar in this respect. They only had the duo of Mello and AI together and jelling for only a small part of the season - but now look out! They might have been a 3rd or 4th seed if they had been together all 82 regular season games. The Spurs are in for a rough and tumble time in this series just like last year against the 8th seed Kings - but I think the Nuggets knock 'em off.

I should have put some money on it - but being I projected both going 7 games I wasn't that confident:)

I think Dallas will recoup and win the next 4 of 5. Dallas in 6. But GS will play them close. Just because they wont he first game does not mean they will win the series. I know what yall are saying about the regular season and how Dallas hasn't bear the Warriors this year though. GS is a good team. But Dallas will win 4-2
 
I still maintain that Dallas should be making Golden State adjust to them, not the other way around; I believe that what Dallas would lose by Diop and Dampier not being able to keep up with Harrington and Nowitzki not being able to keep up with Stephen Jackson they would gain when Harrington and Jackson are physically incapable of getting any rebounds. Golden State isn't going to outshoot Dallas four times out of seven, because Dallas has four or five good shooters, and Golden State has, like, two. They're living and dying by mismatches, so go big, play a little matchup zone, and dare them to try and shoot over you.

As great as Davis has played, Nowitzki is still the best player in this series by far, and one of the things that has helped him transcend what he was his willingness to get in the paint and make something happen. So why is it that, against the one team in the playoffs that is the LEAST qualified to stop him from going off in the paint, he's settling for jumpers? Even if all Dirk did down low was that awkward-looking one-legged fadeaway, there isn't a single player on Golden State that can stop him from doing that; they should be posting Nowitzki on every possession.

Dallas' big problem is that they don't WANT to make Golden State match up with them; they want to prove that they can beat the Warriors at their own game. Which is a fool's errand, in my opinion.

Couldn't GS then just trot out Biedrins to patrol the paint?
 
Couldn't GS then just trot out Biedrins to patrol the paint?

They could, but they become a much less effective offensive team with Biedrins in the game.

And, that allows the Mavs to play in their comfort zone, which Nellie knows will not favor the Warriors since it didn't favor much of the rest of the league the entire season.
 
ACK! The image of Cuban is gone!!!

Does anybody else have a link to the picture of little pouty-face?????
 
This can't be true...right?

From ESPN's Page 2:

Warriors at Mavericks: 9:30 pm, TNT Is it bad for the Mavericks that Avery Johnson called his mentor, Don Nelson, last night for help in preparing a game plan for the Warriors? Probably.
 
This can't be true...right?

From ESPN's Page 2:

Warriors at Mavericks: 9:30 pm, TNT Is it bad for the Mavericks that Avery Johnson called his mentor, Don Nelson, last night for help in preparing a game plan for the Warriors? Probably.


That just made me spill my gatorade... and I'm not kidding.
 
I have seen almost no difference beetween Dirk of old and "more physical mvp dirk"

he just shoots post up fadeaways....



sorry for the double post
 
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