[Grades] Grades v. Wolves 3/20/11

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Good bounceback. Fun game. Yay.

How you like these for 4th quarter numbers: Kings 42 Bad Guys 20.


Resign this man.

Daly is now averaging 12pts 11rebs and 1.5blks in 28min per since the All Star break. Numbers just exactly where you'd want them from a guy playing that role.


This one too.


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Garcia ( D+ ) -- one of only a handful of Kings not to have a good game. Hit an early three, but was generally missing his shots and doing nothing else statistically. Felt like he was getting into a fair number of hustle plays though and Beasley wasn't killing him in the early going. Made a couple of nice passes to set up Pooh and Daly for hoops. Continued to struggle offensively, but was brought back at the end of the third when Beasley started heating up. Could not control him and started hacking, leading to the return of Donte to the game -- finally a reasonable use of Donte by Westphal.

Cousins ( F ) -- speaking of Kings not having a good game, our starting forward line just didn't get it done, even with us figuring out that the way to win was to injure both of the other team's star forwards across from them (Love left early a groin, Beasley was in and out with a hip). We tried to hide DeMarcus on defense again by putting him on Darko, but all that did was turn Darko into prime years Shaq, as he was able to back Cousins down at will into the paint and drop little hooks right over him. And the other way DeMarcus seemeed intimidated byt Darko's size. This is nto the first time we've seen that -- for all his aggressions and bravado against most centers, the truly huge guys, the guys who obviously have several inches on him, have sometimes seemed to intimidate DeMarcus. Like he has never seen people that big before in his career and is afraid to attack them and get smnushed inside. Shaq, Kwame Brown, Andrew Bynum, Darko...the 7'1"+ guys. In any case, do't think DeMarcus's jumper is feeling good right now and so he ended up just kind of fluttering...yes, fluttering like a not terrribly beloved Kings center of old. Sort of passively taking a few dribbles, moving wihtout much purpose, starting to try things, then abruptly getting nervous and stopping and fluttering back outside. Getting too cute rather than anything meat and potatoes. Too scared to even try to beat Darko. And so he didn't. Took all of 2 shots in the game, the only one he hit being a long jumper in the second quarter. Grabbed all of one rebound for the entire game. And actually got pulled because he was getting killed out there so badly. Late in the third had maybe his best moment of the game, rifling a pass to JT at the hoop -- the one thing he could still do tonight was make another bundle of top big man passes (he's averaged 4 assists a game in March). And then of course for the cherry on top went out and got himself ejected from the game:
Now actually Luke Ridnour started it. That should be underlined. DeMarcus did not just randomly lose his head -- Ridnour lost his and charged over for a running two handed shove in DeMarcus's chest. But DeMarcus of course could not play it cool after that, would have gotten away with the return shove on Ridnour, but was also getting into it with half the Wolves team, and so off he went. In no way was this a basketball loss to us the way he was playing, but that moment nearly undid us in the game, as an inspired Wolved team, Beasley in particular suddenly went on a big charge and chopped our lead all the way down to 6pts before Donte Greene led our huge pushback to turn this back into a major blowout. And so DeMarcus, in front of the one crowd he has always wanted to show off for after their silly Wes Johnson pick, instead was his own worst enemy and gave them all the hating material in the world with one of his season's worst, capped with what will be taken as proof of his mental instability.

Dalembert ( A ) -- and if DeMarcus turned in one of his worst, Sammy came back the other way and turned in one of his very best, having another huge near career game as the inside to Thornton's outside in a potent 1-2 punch. Not able to convert over Love 1 on 1 in the early going, but got several offensive tips of of Kings misses. And just started using his length moving without the ball and once again became our main interior guy. Worked and worked his way to a 14pt 9reb 1st half, and nearly duplicated that production after the break on his way to a monsterish 26-17-2 on 13-20 shooting. Settled and saved us at the end of the third as we were melting down, with an offensive tip finish and then a post move as well for his 24th point to get that lead back to 10 going into the 4th. Flirted with both another career high in points, and a 20-20 game. Not much else to say really. Oh yeah: resign this dude. Now. He's put up better numbers than Joakim Noah since the break, has been putting up rebounding and block numbers like these for years, and is a hell of a lot better offensively than anybody knew. Is also a classy guy, and the pickup is beginning to feel like potentially this decade's version of a certain other classy foreign born veteran center with humanitarian impulses who we teamed up next to a wildly talented but sulky big guy once upon a time.

Thornton ( A ) -- almost lost behind DeMarcus's struggles, and Daly's interior beasting, all Marcus did was threaten a triple double and come up with a career high in assists. Bit sluggish to start, but heated up rapidly getting out on the break and capping the run with a three. Had a few dumb/selfish moments, forcing drives into heavy traffic, but really for the most part played a heck of a floor game, and in another very promising sign for a potential pairing with Reke, showed some PG stuff really on his way to 9 assists. Canned not one, but TWO threes in the last 10 seconds of the half. The first on a nice Donte drive and kick, and then the second on a halfcourt heave drawn up by Westphal in atimeout wiht 3 seconds to go. Got physical and feisty in the third on both ends of the court, attackign the rim on one side and blockign one of Johnson's shots as he schooled him. Left with over 6 minutes to go in this one, but in a closer game could easily have had that triple double. And while neither Marcus Thronton nor Beno Udrih is a guy you normally think of as triple double material, if those two are guards #2 and #3 alongisde Reke, how many teams can say that all 3 guards in their main rotation have had triple doubles?

Udrih ( B ) -- for the first half of this one was quiet, playing in the shadows and actually on the game getting outplayed by Ridnour. Did have a very nice 1/2 court touch pass ahead on the break, dropping it in just over the defender. But otherwise was an afterthought, right up until he wasn't. Started to wake up afer the break, and quietly peppered in little jumpers throughout the 3rd. In the 4th got less quiet as his late shots, including the capping three, put the exclamation point on our 21-0 4th quarter run to blow this thing wide open as we were the oen doing the charging down the stretch for once.

Bench

Thompson ( C ) -- not one of our stronger games, althoguh ended up filling in for long minutes with DeMarcus struggling/ejected, and working quietly as the "other guy" in steh shadows between Daly and Thornton he racked up a huge +33 +/-. Did better against Love in the early going, with a quick post move and back to back jumpers, than he did against mostly Anthony Randolph the rest of the way. Randolph was beating him with mobility, and Jason's offense disappeared the other way.

Jeter ( A- ) -- after being largely eliminated from the rotation in recent weeks, and facing a likely total elimination of his minutes once Reke gets back, Pooh came in firing, and hitting. Knocked in multiple early jumpers in the early going, and stepped in front of big ole Pekovic on the break to take a charge. Set up Donte for several chunks of his explosion, and added a three in the corner in the 4th. Capped things with a fancy between the legs pass to Darnell on the break in the garbagetime. Just played a really good game all over the court.

Casspi ( D ) -- and the last of our guys who struggled....just could get nothing going on either end. Took his eye off a ball on the break and lost it out of bounds. Bricked both his threes, and both his FTs. To cap things Beasley started to heat up against him in the late third, triggering the emergency insertion of first Cisco and then Donte to try to get the situation under control. Poor game.

Greene ( A- ) -- Actually got into the game in the first half of this one, and made a nice drive and dish to Thronton for a corner three right at the close of the half, but made an error the other way and fouled Ridnour, who split the pair. And then in the second half...We finally did it right! Finally used Donte right! With Beasely taking over, we finally brought Greene in as a cooler to close the third after Casspi and Cisco both could not slow him. And what do you know, it worked -- Beasely was immediately put into the cooler. Less easy to predict was what happened ont he other end where Donte just went nuts with one of those games he has every once in a while that shows you just what he could be if he actually could shoot. Was just smoking the other way as he knocked down his first three shots, including 2 threes. Made a nice full speed catch of a pass thrown behind him by Pooh as he was heading to the hoop that got him to the line, but bricked the pair. Added a tough contested shot and a three late, but also threw up a pretty blatant heat check that had no chance. Seems silly to put 4 A grades up for a game against the Minnesota Timberwolves playing with only part time eforts from Love and Beasley, but what are you going to do? We had a bunch of guys come up with truly superior games, and Donte was the closer and largest factor in our huge run to close this one out.

Jackson ( B- ) -- in the game when Demarcus went ballistic and got thrown out, Jackson first got into the game as he was chosen as the replacement to shoot the FTs, and he ended up splitting the pair. As per his usual as the season has worn on, did not give us much except scoring, but was very much in the spirit of the blowout as he ran up and down the court, and even hit a three late in the game that had our bench up and waving towels.

Taylor ( B ) -- got to truly play the old garbagetime superstar role previously occupied by such high flyers as Henry Turner back in the good ole days, and Gerald Walalce of more recent vintage. After a missed alley oop, hit a nice baseline jumper. Fullcourt dribble and turned the tables with a nice fullspeed alley oop to Jackson that got the bench hopping. Then after a quick Wolves turnover, Pooh hit him out on the break for an oop of his own to close things and put an exclamation on it. Not enough minutes, but I'm going to go ahead and give hima grade anwyay because he packed a lot of numbers into such a short stint.
 
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#5
These kind of games show that the Kings have some talented roleplayers, but unfortunately this is a star's league, and our stars are either injured (Evans) or raw (Cousins).

I seriously can't wait until next year to have a more polished Cousins and a healthy Evans for a season. They are going to do some serious damage.
 
#6
I just watched the replay of Cousins' ejection. Horrible refereeing. A couple nights ago we see Al Thornton do nearly the exact same thing and no ejection. In this, Ridnour is frustrated and gives Cuz a big push (no doubt if it were the other way around Cuz would have been ejected straight away), Cuz does what nearly anyone would do in the NBA and stands his ground and then the caveman comes over and he and Cuz push each other, and then Webster pushes Cuz away with his hand and Cuz pushes his hand away. From that, I would expect a tech on Ridnour, Cousins, and the caveman. Sadly, refereeing in the NBA is nowhere near where it should be and if Ridnour and Cousins switched places in this, no doubt Cousins would be ejected and Ridnour quite possibly would escape without any technical.

And Grant is just annoying.
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#7
So this is Cousins' 2nd iffy ejection this season, or is it his 3rd? I know there was another one that was clearly a case of biased reffing.


And Westphail has had his back.....0 times.

I'm not defending Cousins. Shoving another player is still a dumb thing to do, but he seems to always get a lot harsher treatment from the refs and our "coach" never says a thing.

Also, Dally >>>>> Errbody. Thorton is rad too.
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#8
Does everyone think it's a wise choice to re-sign both Thornton and Daly if that ends up taking the majority of this teams cap space moving forward???

I really hope the Kings can get them back at a little more than the MLE, whatever it ends up being.

I'd imagine how well Thornton looks next to Tyreke will determine the value of keeping this together.
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#9
So this is Cousins' 2nd iffy ejection this season, or is it his 3rd? I know there was another one that was clearly a case of biased reffing.


And Westphail has had his back.....0 times.

I'm not defending Cousins. Shoving another player is still a dumb thing to do, but he seems to always get a lot harsher treatment from the refs and our "coach" never says a thing.

Also, Dally >>>>> Errbody. Thorton is rad too.
How many T's does Westphal have in his tenure as Kings coach? I would imagine pretty low, but considering he's the lowest paid coach I suppose he can't afford it?
 
#10
Demarcus needs to learn how to control his emotions. It wasnt a close game but if it was that couldve hurt us badly. Glad we got a win. Are we tied with our wins record of last season yet?
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#11
He doesnt even have to get a T. Even a post game statement would be good. Anything to show support.

Cousins has been quoted as feeling like nobody has his back, I feel like if he had a stern coach, who still supported him, it would do wonders for his maturity levels on the court (not right away of course).

The only person I've ever heard supporting/defending Cousins was Cisco.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#12
Sammy has been ballin for us for a couple of games in a row now. I see he's workin on getting that new contract. Good to see Thornton have a bounce back game and not losing the ball at every sight. I love that he said he went to shoot right after the loss against Philly, that's great work ethic to become better. Donte played significant minutes for the first time since I think Phoenix? Either way that's what your going to get out of Donte here and there, flashes of what can be. It's too bad that he won't put multiple games like that together because he's either going to start getting more playing time and start screwing up again or just ride the pine one way or the other. Casspi has been trash all this year by the way, he played way better last year.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#13
Does everyone think it's a wise choice to re-sign both Thornton and Daly if that ends up taking the majority of this teams cap space moving forward???

I really hope the Kings can get them back at a little more than the MLE, whatever it ends up being.

I'd imagine how well Thornton looks next to Tyreke will determine the value of keeping this together.
To answer your question, yes. We have Reke, we have Cousins. After that the very next two most important pieces are 3rd gun and defensive anchor inside, and what do we have? Voila! A 20ppg 3rd weapon, and a guy who's per minute numbers compare favoravly to Joakim Noah. Now this summer was supposed to be about brining in free agents. But when you mange to go ourt and acquire guys better, and better fitted, for what you need than any of the guys on the market, its money well spent to retain. Not all of it of course. And I have to believe that remainder goes to the defensive captain type, presumably at SF. With Kirilneko, Prince, and Battier all out there this summer, and us having the cap room and a startign position that none of our current guys have claimed, the timing is perfect.

The Kirilenko as x-factor idea has grown on me since somebody suggested it a few days back. Frotncourt would go 6'11"/6'11"/6'11", 2 of the three would be shotblockers. You would encase DeMarcus in long defenders who could protect him. You'd have a versatile mobile guy who you could swing up to guard perimeter PFs for stretches. Kirilenko is a good ballahndler and paser that has averaged over 4 assists a game several times in his career so he could help Reke/Marcu/DeMarcus run things..fill so many holes. And he's shooting threes at a 37% clip this year, which would address the biggest concern.

C- Dalembert
PF- Cousins
SF- Kirilenko
SG- Thornton
PG- Evans

6th- Top 5 draft pick
7th- Beno?
8th- Cisco? or Casspi?
9th- Thompson?

You could get very deep in a hurry. Might want to work on that bench to get another strong defender in there. And I would love to see one more experienced vet/leader type moved into that top crew. You could for instance trade that pick and bring back somebody considerable in all liklihood. But however you play it, you go from what we are today, to a team with 5 strong starters, including 3 guys who could get you 20 on any night, and a bench full of guys who have started long stretches of games in the past. In other words you are suddenly one of the deeper teams in the league. I'll say again, we are not that far away. Just young. But most of the talent you need to be a very good team is already here or soon to arrive.
 
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To answer your question, yes. We have Reke, we have Cousins. After that the very next two most important pieces are 3rd gun and defensive anchor inside, and what do we have? Voila! A 20ppg 3rd weapon, and a guy who's per minute numbers compare favoravly to Joakim Noah. Now this summer was supposed to be about brining in free agents. But when you mange to go ourt and acquire guys better, and better fitted, for what you need than any of the guys on the market, its money well spent to retain. Not all of it of course. And I have to believe that remainder goes to the defensive captain type, presumably at SF. With Kirilneko, Prince, and Battier all out there this summer, and us having the cap room and a startign position that none of our current guys have claimed, the timing is perfect.

The Kirilenko as x-factor idea has grown on me since somebody suggested it a few days back. Frotncourt would go 6'11"/6'11"/6'11", 2 of the three would be shotblockers. You would encase DeMarcus in long defenders who could protect him. You'd have a versatile mobile guy who you could swing up to guard perimeter PFs for stretches. Kirilenko is a good ballahndler and paser that has averaged over 4 assists a game several times in his career so he could help Reke/Marcu/DeMarcus run things..fill so many holes. And he's shooting threes at a 37% clip this year, which would address the biggest concern.

C- Dalembert
PF- Cousins
SF- Kirilenko
SG- Thornton
PG- Evans

6th- Top 5 draft pick
7th- Beno?
8th- Cisco? or Casspi?
9th- Thompson?

You could get very deep in a hurry. Might want to work on that bench to get another strong defender in there. And I would love to see one more experienced vet/leader type moved into that top crew. You could for instance trade that pick and bring back somebody considerable in all liklihood. But however you play it, you go from what we are today, to a team with 5 strong starters, including 3 guys who could get you 20 on any night, and a bench full of guys who have started long stretches of games in the past. In other words you are suddenly one of the deeper teams in the league. I'll say again, we are not that far away. Just young. But most of the talent you need to be a very good team is already here or soon to arrive.
I think I would prefer Prince out of AK/Prince/Battier. Prince is the more consistent shooter, and I just think he can do more for you. Better at creating his own shot, still very good defensively .. He's a champion.

I would be fine with AK too, but If I had my choice Prince would be the guy ... I worry a bit about shooting with AK as the starter. He has been ok from three this year, but who knows with him really... He doesnt seem as consistent to me as Prince .. One year AK will be good, like this season he has been good, but at other various points in his career people have thought he was done.

Of course, best care scenario would be if we went after Iggy or Granger this offseason. Both of those teams are in the playoffs right now though, so who knows how available they will be... Maybe Orlando will try and dump Hedo again, who obviously wont help us on D, but he can do alot of other things to help the team .. not even sure I want him, but its a name to think about.

Afflalo will also be a RFA this year. I like him because you dont have to worry about him breaking down .. AK, Prince, and Battier are all getting old .. never know when they will stop being effective.

Not a great FA crop for sure... We HAVE to keep Dalembert and Thornton though. If we do that and nothing else I will be semi satisfied. A new coach wouldnt hurt either.
 
#15
Demarcus needs to learn how to control his emotions. It wasnt a close game but if it was that couldve hurt us badly. Glad we got a win. Are we tied with our wins record of last season yet?
umm, not even close. We are 8 wins away from last year's win total with 11 games left to play. We will be lucky to get 20. We did tie the win totale from 2009, though... I hope they get a real coach for next season.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#16
Prince could work too, althoguh he's got both age and a terminal peronality problem -- i.e. he doesn't have one -- working against him. We really need a captain here. Not just a guy who takes care of his own or is a solid worker or some such, but a guy who can have the Christielike effect of making everybody pick up their game. Battier is tops in that respect, but is getting old and very limited otherwise. Prince couldn't inspire paint to dry. Ak...well, he's not perfect, but he does fly about covering everybody's man and providing energy. In any case, that is all it takes. Most of the pieces are here. Most of the ones we need are available and within reach. We want to get cute we can take that pcik, combine it with a player, and bring back another serious piece of vet help from a team wanting to start its own rebuild. But now is not the time to reopen holes we just got plugged.
 
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Westphal did comment of the pushing match that led to the ejection of Cousins in the post game interview. He said he sees that sort of thing in most games. He said it was no big deal and did not warrant an ejection.

Cousins has to be smart and not react to dickweeds.

KB
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#19
He doesnt even have to get a T. Even a post game statement would be good. Anything to show support.

Cousins has been quoted as feeling like nobody has his back, I feel like if he had a stern coach, who still supported him, it would do wonders for his maturity levels on the court (not right away of course).

The only person I've ever heard supporting/defending Cousins was Cisco.
I completely agree with you in this. I saw the highlights of the LA/Por game, and artest got in a shoving match with 3 different Por players. He got a tech, no one on Por got one, and the game continued. Point being, this stuff happens all the time, and this is now the 2nd ejection Cousins has had, which was bogus. You know Rindour didn't even get a tech on that? He started the whole damn thing.

I just listened to Westys postgame comments, and all he said was "well, from my point of view, it was some regular pushing and shoving, and it's something which has happened a million times". My guess is he thinks the ejection was unwarrented. But I would like some stronger comments from him. It's not to this point, but look at how Stan V Gundy always stands up for Dwight. If Cousins is out of line, I have no problem with Westy disciplining him. I'd fully support it. But when BS like this happens, stand up and support your player. Cousins has been bashed nationally a few times this season. Some he's brought on himself, but some was just because Westy didn't want to keep it in house. We never heard about Head getting booted from practice or being a distraction, did we?

But I also still have a problem with the other 4 guys not stepping in, when Cousins has stepped up and defended our guys a few times. He went after C Paul for a very hard foul on Beno. He had words with Melo when Melo was getting into Omri, and threatened to beat Omri's ***. Both times when asked about it, he said they're my teammates, and I'm going to look out for them. Yet when Cousins get pushed hard by Rindour with two hands. Nothing. Then Pekovic comes up and pushed him hard. Still nothing. Guys just stood and watched to see how Cousins would react. Then Webster comes up and confronts him. Should have never gotten to that point. This team needs to start acting like a team, and stop alienating Cousins.
 
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LWP777

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#21
I just watched the replay of Cousins' ejection. Horrible refereeing. A couple nights ago we see Al Thornton do nearly the exact same thing and no ejection. In this, Ridnour is frustrated and gives Cuz a big push (no doubt if it were the other way around Cuz would have been ejected straight away), Cuz does what nearly anyone would do in the NBA and stands his ground and then the caveman comes over and he and Cuz push each other, and then Webster pushes Cuz away with his hand and Cuz pushes his hand away. From that, I would expect a tech on Ridnour, Cousins, and the caveman. Sadly, refereeing in the NBA is nowhere near where it should be and if Ridnour and Cousins switched places in this, no doubt Cousins would be ejected and Ridnour quite possibly would escape without any technical.

And Grant is just annoying.
Instead of blaming the officiating like most boring people do, why don't you try to stop defending a man-child like Cousins for a minute. They refereed the play perfectly. Violet Palmer had the foul and T on Ridnour. If Cousins would have been a big boy and walked away then nothing would have happened with him. Instead, he pushed a guy a foot shorter than him and then pushed the other player as well, which resulted in 2 technicals on Cousins. The reason Ridnour shot 1 FT is because 2 T's were called on Cousins and only 1 on Ridnour.

Get a clue.
 
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LWP777

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#22
I completely agree with you in this. I saw the highlights of the LA/Por game, and artest got in a shoving match with 3 different Por players. He got a tech, no one on Por got one, and the game continued. Point being, this stuff happens all the time, and this is now the 2nd ejection Cousins has had, which was bogus. You know Rindour didn't even get a tech on that? He started the whole damn thing.

I just listened to Westys postgame comments, and all he said was "well, from my point of view, it was some regular pushing and shoving, and it's something which has happened a million times". My guess is he thinks the ejection was unwarrented. But I would like some stronger comments from him. It's not to this point, but look at how Stan V Gundy always stands up for Dwight. If Cousins is out of line, I have no problem with Westy disciplining him. I'd fully support it. But when BS like this happens, stand up and support your player. Cousins has been bashed nationally a few times this season. Some he's brought on himself, but some was just because Westy didn't want to keep it in house. We never heard about Head getting booted from practice or being a distraction, did we?

But I also still have a problem with the other 4 guys not stepping in, when Cousins has stepped up and defended our guys a few times. He went after C Paul for a very hard foul on Beno. He had words with Melo when Melo was getting into Omri, and threatened to beat Omri's ***. Both times when asked about it, he said they're my teammates, and I'm going to look out for them. Yet when Cousins get pushed hard by Rindour with two hands. Nothing. Then Pekovic comes up and pushed him hard. Still nothing. Guys just stood and watched to see how Cousins would react. Then Webster comes up and confronts him. Should have never gotten to that point. This team needs to start acting like a team, and stop alienating Cousins.
There are reasons they "alienate" Cousins. It's mostly because he's just not a very good guy right now. This may change if he matures and grows up. Stop defending Cousins all the time. He acts like a child 99% of the time.
 
#23
To answer your question, yes. We have Reke, we have Cousins. After that the very next two most important pieces are 3rd gun and defensive anchor inside, and what do we have? Voila! A 20ppg 3rd weapon, and a guy who's per minute numbers compare favoravly to Joakim Noah. Now this summer was supposed to be about brining in free agents. But when you mange to go ourt and acquire guys better, and better fitted, for what you need than any of the guys on the market, its money well spent to retain. Not all of it of course. And I have to believe that remainder goes to the defensive captain type, presumably at SF. With Kirilneko, Prince, and Battier all out there this summer, and us having the cap room and a startign position that none of our current guys have claimed, the timing is perfect.

The Kirilenko as x-factor idea has grown on me since somebody suggested it a few days back. Frotncourt would go 6'11"/6'11"/6'11", 2 of the three would be shotblockers. You would encase DeMarcus in long defenders who could protect him. You'd have a versatile mobile guy who you could swing up to guard perimeter PFs for stretches. Kirilenko is a good ballahndler and paser that has averaged over 4 assists a game several times in his career so he could help Reke/Marcu/DeMarcus run things..fill so many holes. And he's shooting threes at a 37% clip this year, which would address the biggest concern.

C- Dalembert
PF- Cousins
SF- Kirilenko
SG- Thornton
PG- Evans

6th- Top 5 draft pick
7th- Beno?
8th- Cisco? or Casspi?
9th- Thompson?

You could get very deep in a hurry. Might want to work on that bench to get another strong defender in there. And I would love to see one more experienced vet/leader type moved into that top crew. You could for instance trade that pick and bring back somebody considerable in all liklihood. But however you play it, you go from what we are today, to a team with 5 strong starters, including 3 guys who could get you 20 on any night, and a bench full of guys who have started long stretches of games in the past. In other words you are suddenly one of the deeper teams in the league. I'll say again, we are not that far away. Just young. But most of the talent you need to be a very good team is already here or soon to arrive.
How many decent years do you think Kirilenko has left?
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#24
There are reasons they "alienate" Cousins. It's mostly because he's just not a very good guy right now. This may change if he matures and grows up. Stop defending Cousins all the time. He acts like a child 99% of the time.
You mean its not a good thing for Demarcus to punch a teammate?
 
#25
There are reasons they "alienate" Cousins. It's mostly because he's just not a very good guy right now. This may change if he matures and grows up. Stop defending Cousins all the time. He acts like a child 99% of the time.
Hopefully this maturing stuff will happen while hes on the Kings/Royals. Unfortunately, the only way i can see this happening tho is if we get a new coach who isnt afraid to speak his mind and impose his will.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#26
How many decent years do you think Kirilenko has left?
Of course I can't do anything more than guess like anybody else, but he's about the same age as Dalembert, and is a roleplayer. Also a lot of his impact is based on physical attributes that do not change (height, length) rather than those that do (quickness). So on average you would have to say anywhere from 3-5. And really that's long enough for our present purposes I would think. You need to establish something in the here and now. Then when his time is up, like Bowen's was up with the Spurs eventually, its just ingrained, and you go out shopping for a replacement from a position of strength hopefully as a perennial winner with a certain personality looking for a certain player.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#27
Hopefully this maturing stuff will happen while hes on the Kings/Royals. Unfortunately, the only way i can see this happening tho is if we get a new coach who isnt afraid to speak his mind and impose his will.
maturing is one of those things that have a tendency to happen naturally with time, and DeMarcus I don't think is somebody you impose your will on. You push him, he pushes back. Best you can do there is a mentor or father figure -- somebody he does not want to disappoint. I understand this personality. I had it to a certain degree.
 
#28
Instead of blaming the officiating like most boring people do, why don't you try to stop defending a man-child like Cousins for a minute. They refereed the play perfectly. Violet Palmer had the foul and T on Ridnour. If Cousins would have been a big boy and walked away then nothing would have happened with him. Instead, he pushed a guy a foot shorter than him and then pushed the other player as well, which resulted in 2 technicals on Cousins. The reason Ridnour shot 1 FT is because 2 T's were called on Cousins and only 1 on Ridnour.

Get a clue.
Yup, if it was going to be called that way the call was right. I wish that the other players would have come over sooner so that Cousins wouldn't pick up his 2nd.

Cousins was setting a screen on Ridnour, but in doing so hit Luke with his forearms in the neck/head region. A definite foul, but not an intentional one, and it wasn't called. Ridnour reacts, pushes Cousins. That was the defensive foul and T on Ridnour. Cousins pushes Ridnour back, T on him. Pekovic steps between them, Cousins pushes him and another Twolve. If one of our guys got to Cousins quicker, that 2nd T could possibly have been avoided. This is on Cousins. It's hard to be a big guy in the league because you're going to get fouled hard and your fouls are going to look a lot more violent than they actually are. Just ask Dwight Howard. But things are always going to be that way, and Cousins has to learn that ultimately he can only try to win some leeway with the refs by playing outstanding ball and not complaining so much.

I'd very much like to see this Samuel Dalembert every game. Hardly any outside shots, everything off putbacks, easy dunks or layups inside.
 
#29
He was ejected for the "multiple" shoves; Ridnour should have gone for the ridiculously pointless shove he gave if thats the way you're going to officiate games.

Might be alone in this thinking but a tech for a shove? it's a shove.... no one is hurt; sure it's pointless and a bit daft but this is sport; temper and passion are part of the game... well at least i thought they were.

Just separate the players and get on with it. Who does it serve having a star player sit out a game for a little push?
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#30
maturing is one of those things that have a tendency to happen naturally with time, and DeMarcus I don't think is somebody you impose your will on. You push him, he pushes back. Best you can do there is a mentor or father figure -- somebody he does not want to disappoint. I understand this personality. I had it to a certain degree.
Oh? :) Cousins wants to be liked and respected. Who doesn't. I think it is a higher need in him than most people. Put yourself in his place. People like him but do they like him because he is a funny giant or because he is likable? I think he has a lot of questions about this that weren't answered as he grew up, er, like with a father. Many people wonder if they are liked for their money, looks, etc. or just for being them. I think the coaches are a big part in his growing up and a Truck Robinson, incredible rebounder, is not so impressed with Cousins as a ball player but if he shows Cousins interest in any way as a person, Cousins will benefit. I suspect Coachie and Elie have been a positive influence. I also think Westphal is a question mark because he goes public too much. His punishments are accepted well by Cousins.

I hope the day comes when we can worry about whether he goes for 30-15 ad not have these discussions and when the national media loooks at him and not what they have read about him.