[Grades] Grades v. Wolves 11/27/2012

Which frontcourt guy got the least done on defense and the glass?

  • Salmons

    Votes: 4 13.3%
  • Thompson

    Votes: 8 26.7%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 9 30.0%
  • Hayes

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • Robinson

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • Total voters
    30
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well...this was not a terrible loss, but it was scruffy and one we could scant afford. One month into the season and we've already used up all of our free passes.

As for what WAS ugly? Try this:

Love 44min 24reb
vs.
Salmons 30min 0reb
Thompson 27min 5reb
Cousins 28min 5reb
Hayes 27min 4reb
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Combined 112min 14reb

Nice work there guys.

Theme we'll go with will be Dumbass Thrill Seekers.

Boxscore


Stats: 30min 5pts (2-5, 1-2, 0-0) 0reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Salmons ( D+ ) -- the gap between the guy many of us wanted to get as a roleplaying SF (Kirilenko) and the guy we ended up getting as our rolepaying SF was never more evident than last night. Made several early mistakes losing the ball, once simply losing his dribble, once trying to pass at the last moment when he was wide open for a shot. And all night long was borderline useless aginst Kirilneko's size -- this was the same problem he had last year resurfacing. He's really a big guard, and simply cannot handle the bigger SFs out there (we went out and got a big SF this offseason who can, but unfortunately he can't shoot or stay out of the way on offense). Salmons, one of the league's worst rebounders if you call him a SF for years now, topped himself there tonight, grabbing 0 in 30 min on anight we got crushed. In some ways not his fault though, as aside from one terrible example in the second half whee the ball practically fell into his hands but his reactiosn were just so slow he lost it, on most of the night he was just simply physically overwhelmed playing against a 6'9" spider and Minny's bully frontline. Good plays were few and far between. Did make a nice pass on the interior to JT for an early flush, and did hit one three. Probably most significantly finally got a little midrange jumper to go at a critical time cutting the lead back to 3 at the 3:00 mark -- that was a no no no yes play as John had hit one bucket all ngiht long and sudddenly just made the 1 on 1 deciion to take a critical shot at a critical time. Luckily it went down. Defensively totally ineffective inside, but would have been decent on the perimeter if he and Reke had not spent all game having to dive back down inside to try to help our overwhelmed frontline.
Surfing Teahupoo -- There's surfing...and then there's stupid. And anybody who would take a look at this wave action and decide the appropriate thing to do was hop out of the boat onto a little fiberglass board falls firmly into the latter category. People have died. Will die in the future. Not a great loss.

Stats: 27min 7pts (3-8, 0-0, 1-2) 5reb 0ast 1stl 3blk 2TO
Thompson ( D+ ) -- maybe our most damaging non-performance because it came against the Wolves best player, and its failings were right on JT's home turf. Just manhandled and bounced around by KLove in there all night. JT has never been particularly strong for a guy his size, and from the moment I frist saw Love play in the NBA I was telling everybody who would listen that he was going to be a stud rebounder because he just has freakish strength. Guys like TRob have beach muscles, but KLove looks like Brad Miller's younger brother and yet people just bounce off him. Well, tonight it was JT's turn to bounce, an in fact he got bent in half on a few plays trying to go up for rebounds and finding the fire hydrant beneath him wasn't moving. Resulted in a flat beatdown on the glass, for both JT and the team (and JT's non-rebounding season continues in distrubing fashion -- his rebs per 36 over his career have been very steady in his first four years: 9.5, 9.7, 9.4, 9.6. This year its down to 8.2.). Things did not go any better when he tried to bang with Big Pek, although in the second half we got a few whistles to go our way on that one. Capped things by struggling to finish in a very physical game inside, seeming rushed, out of balance and rhythm. Two of his three hits were open dunks off of nice assists from teamamtes. Anyway, Jason got flat out beat down in there, no way to spin it or hide it, and that frontcourt beatdown was the game.
90 Foot Wave -- While we're on surfers, this guy apparently set a record for dumbness when he surfed this 90 foot wave off of Portugal. And apparently its already since been eclipsed by some other braniac.

Stats: 28min 20pts (9-22, 0-0, 2-2) 5reb 2ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
Cousins ( C ) -- I remember last year Cuz really struggled against Pekovic's man mountiain routine, and so I suppose you could say that he learend his lesson and played this one smart, or we did. Rather than trying to post Cuz up to go mano a mano on Pek and Love in there, for most of the night we ran pick and pops with him or swung the ball over for 18-20 foot jumpers. Which is a shot that Cuz is as good at as any center not named Bargnani, but which resulted in his offense being more perimeter oriented this game as our frontcourt guys largely got entirely chased out of the middle by the Wolves' trio. Did unleash a spectaculr spin move on Pek near the end of the first quarter, but most of the time when he went inside the big man wasn't giving an inch, and Cuz wasn't passing out of it, resulting in some ugly forces that hurt us and often triggered the Wolves break the other way. Defensively and on the glass was just being outworked by the Wolves bigs. Only one of our frontcourt guys with the ability to stand in there against them, but just didn't consistently do it, get back in the break etc. Quickly got into foul trouble in the third and we really struggled to get anything going without him until IT came in with a little juice. When he finally returned in the mid 4th, immediately picked off an interior pass and scored on little pick and roll with Reke, and after missing a baseline jumper came up with a great effort to squeeze in for the o-reb and finish. But while we got close, we never could get over the hump, and down the stretch Cuz again was not a consistent weapon for us in the post, missing a called post up out of a timeout, another time getting smushed in there by Kirilenko. The biggest concern/bag on this grade though was the rebounding. Only came up with 5, as his rebounding too is slumping. But worse yet, only came up with a single defensive board.
100 Foot Cliff Jump -- Because obviously the first thing you think of when walking along a 100ft cliff is to jump off of it. A least this is better than some of the other ones you see with them barely dodging rocks below.

Stats: 36min 20pts (9-14, 2-3, 0-0) 7reb 6ast 2stl 2blk 2TO
Evans ( A- ) -- Reke continued his stretch of great play, no matter how much the guys around him were struggling (Reke shot 9-14, the rest of the starters combined to shoot 16-42). Got off to the great start on both sides of the ball, scoring on drives, smoothly stroking a set shot three, making several excellent defensive blocks and steals, and dropping a behind the back dribble drive on AK47 of all people. Oh, and was rewarded for the excellent play with being the first King subbed out. Of course. At which point we proceded to score 2pts in the next 6 minutes of play as we lost our lead and never regained it. Of course. Came back in and flat locked up the ghost of Josh Howard inside on defense, and hit the first of several tough tough contested fallaway jumpers from the corners, which he is clearly getting a kick out of suddenly being able to do. After half was not as smooth, as it was full of surges and wanes, often coinciding with whether the little guy with the ball of the moment would give it to him or not, but also featuring several awkward drives and break opprtunities where it looked like he went searching for fouls that just weren't being called, and ended up throwing up weak little floaters instead of his normal stuff. Continued to get out on the break and hit jumpers, but no dominant stetches. Was trying to do what he could on defense, and was often making the right switches but simply not big enoguh to stop the Loves and Peks when he did. Also saw his scurb counterpart hit two threes on us in the third that hurt, both because Reke was having to go down and try to aggressively help our overwhelmed bigs. Capped the all around performance by leading us in rebounding, several times wading down inside to help rip a ball away from Love, otherwise our *** kicking in there would have been even greater. Its coming every night now, and that's a huge relief. Now if Cuz would just come and join the party...
Don't Try This at Home -- one gust...

Stats: 26min 7pts (2-6, 1-4, 2-3) 3reb 4ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Brooks ( C- ) -- weakest game since taking over as a starter. Hit an early three from a belated Cousins kickout, but it was the only one he hit on the night. Wasn't getting it done on defense as he was jsut too easy to scrape off on picks, and Ridnour was popping free for open looks all night. In the early going was still functioning smoothly with the starting unit, but returned in the third in a different mode. It was chicken and egg whetehr our offense fell apart, and so Brooks decided to try to take over and bring uis bakc 1 on 1, or whether Brooks taking over and going 1 on 1 broke the offense, but either way, we got scruffy and ugly by the mid 3rd, and Brooks was trying to do it all himself. Led to him getting replaced by IT late in the quarter, and while IT was also for the most part just trying to do it all himself, he was considerably more effective at it than Brooks had been.
Extreme Ski Jum...er...Falling -- more Darwin award winners, this time with snow
 
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Bench

Stats: 26min 12pts (5-13, 2-7, 0-0) 2reb 2ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
Thornton ( C- ) -- STILL struggling, and for the third game in a row was facing a team with large wing players making it hard for coach to smallball him some minutes (mind you coach could still get him some minutes swinging Reke to PG instead of SF, but that did not seem to occur). May not have mattered anyway, as he wasn't playing good enough to really deserve those minutes. Came in for Reke near the end of the first quarter, raced around and got a continuation. But despite finding ways to get points on the baord -- including one leakout where somehow the Wolves completely forgot about him and just let him walk down court for the layin -- he was clearly strugglign to get shots, and the shots he wanted, with our wildly ineffective 5 man bench crew. He got a few of his open court hoops, made a nice pass to JT for a layup (late -- pretty sure he was determiend to shoot that one until he had no chocie, but it worked), but he also forced up some tough tough looks where it was clear he was taking them just because he wanted to take a shot, not because it made any sense. Continues to struggle with his threes, and he better watch out, because Reke is shooting so well suddenly that he's closing in on Marcus's .304 3pt% this season. Was playing scrubbily enough, and the size issue was big enough, that almost did not return to the game at all in the stretch run until Smart finally brought him back with 2 min to go likely hoping he would come in ice cold and somehow give us one clutch shot to get us over the hump. We need Boogie to get back going to turn this thing. But more pop out of Marcus would help too .

Stats: 21min 12pts (4-6, 0-1, 4-5) 3reb 3ast 2stl 0blk 4TO
Thomas ( B- ) -- one of those tales of two halves, as he would have been lucky to get a D grade for his first half, then abruptly gave us a major jolt in the second. Came in very shaky, dribbling in and missing a short jumper, then overpenetrating on a break chance and throwing it right into the arms of one of the trees in there trying desperately to pass. And of larger concern was the way the offense completely died with him out there running the second unit before halftime. It was really where the game was lost -- we had our chances later, but never did regain our early level of play and momentum. But in any case, with us floundering again in the late third, Smart brought him back in for Brooks who was trying to 1 on 1 us back into the game for some reason, and out of nowhere IT provided us a major burst of energy. Came back in and tried to really push the pace, just running into people on the break to force the reluctant refs to blow their whistles. Scored on the final possesion of the quarter as well as he finally gave us a real boost. Now the net result of the sudden surge, is that IT, not Brooks, got to run the 4th quarter this time (Smart still has no idea of what a set rotation is) and that got less effective as it wore on. There were some good moemnts getting out on the break with Reke, but sporadic TOs and forced shots cropped up, and IT was really trying to do it himself, which as usual meant that IT had the ball instead of Reke -- why the paiirng has never worked. A dumb forced 1 on 1 drive at the 1:45 mark trying to go inside amongst the trees and tuning it over was one of the plays that closed the door on us. So, well, at least time some good mixed with the bad, and legitimately gave us a boost when we were dying there late in the third. Just so much me and bad decisionmaking littering his game right now, but at least he had the energy burst back.

Stats: 14min 2pts (1-3 0-0, 0-0) 6reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Robinson ( D+ ) -- badly ineffective first stint where he got worked over defenisvely by both big Pek and Dante Cunningham (that one is more of a concern), and was ragged offensively. On one play showed some nice dribbling skills in the open cour...butt then forced up a 1 on 4 jumper on the move to finish the play and bricked it of course. Got a dunk on the break from IT for his only score, but two possesions later caught the ball in the post tried to pump fake, and still got anniliated by AK. In his second short stint did grab three quick rebounds in the early 4th, and that's the source of any grade here.

Stats: 27min 2pts (1-5, 0-0, 4-2) 4reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hayes ( F ) -- what do you get when your 6'6" leverage and strength specialist runs into a pair of interior guys just as strong and much bigger and more skilled than he is? Well, you have a 6'6" center is what you have. Completely ineffective defensively and on the glass. And even when he finally did make a good play by being persistent on the offensive end and finally drawing a foul, he went off and missed both FTs. When you've only got the one job, and you get your butt kicked doing it, your grade is not going to be much.

Stats: 6min 2pts (1-1, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 0TO
Johnson ( INC ) -- finaly broke our scoreless stretch in the early 2nd beating a double team of the dribble for a layup, and did play a little defense, but we were scoreless and rhythmless wiht that crew out there, and Smart never brought him back after half. Form starter to 6min anight scrub. Salmons' overwhelming mediocrity makes oyu suspect he'll be back eventually, and maybe it will be Reke'snewfound shootng stroke that allows us to afford him back in the starting lineup. But right now our big SF patch hasn't helped.
 
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We're losing games riding our bench too long. You can't repeatedly match bench players against starters, other than MT, and expect success, and we're far from successful.

While IT did some good things out there, Brooks should have been in there. You can't have someone who's barely playing all the sudden run the offense down the stretch in a close game and not expect confusion. Not only that, but it took the ball out of Reke's hands and prevented he and Cuz from playing the two man game, which is what we should have seen repeatedly down the stretch. We were worse when Smart went back to Reke off the ball, stand and watch mode.

Also, this going small and neglecting defense and the boards just isn't working. We got pounded inside. JT should have played more. Not sure why JJ only saw 6 mins.

Really seemed Smart said the most important thing tonight, more important than winning, was getting IT his confidence back. Nevermind Jimmer didn't get 30 secs because of it and Brooks was completely iced, the same Brooks who's been key to our recent success. And I was not a fan of signing Brooks. Not at all. But I'm not blind to the big part he's played in our recent success. Why we threw that out the window is beyond me, other than thinking Smart's sole focus wasn't on the winning the game.

This coach is an incredibly slow learner. Either that or the most stubborn coach I've seen.
 
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The ugliest part to me was our best three players minutes vs their best 3 players minutes.
Smart's biggest flaw as a coach continues to be the arrangement of those minutes, more so than the actual minutes themselves. Starters' minutes being what they were aren't as troubling as when they got those minutes: Smart had five reserves on the court in the second, when the game was, basically, lost.
 
No surprise here. Smart is too stupid to stick with things that work. Talented team, but they will continue to suck as long as Smart is in control
 
I voted Chuck, as it was more when his lack of rebounding hurt us than the actual number. He was getting boarded over consistently down the stretch, the important part of the game. Should have seen JT in there instead.

Salmons' numbers are disturbing, but he also was on the perimeter unlike Chuck. Reke led our team on the glass. SMH.
 
The ball wasnt in Tyrekes hands enough. Especially in the 4th. Bad play calling.

That and we didn't go to the Cousins/Evans two man game enough. Win or lose, if the game is close, I want them to run that every single time down the floor. If this team has any aspirations of becoming decent, they have to shove those two down every teams throats.
 
Smart's biggest flaw as a coach continues to be the arrangement of those minutes, more so than the actual minutes themselves. Starters' minutes being what they were aren't as troubling as when they got those minutes: Smart had five reserves on the court in the second, when the game was, basically, lost.

Yep.
Classic difference on display tonight between Adelman and Smart. Adelman on the road running his starters longer minutes and padding the lead while Smart did his wholesale substitutions. Smart got schooled and his starting 5 that was beginning to start to play together and build some confidence has had a set back.
 
Missed this one, but judging by the box scorethere looks to be a few positives from the game. 9 man rotation and coach seems to have figured out that it's a good thing to play Tyreke 35+ minutes a night.

Also, Cousins needs to wake the hell up at some point and take ownership of this team. It hasn't gotten through to him yet that this team isn't going to win on a consistent basis until he starts playing up to his talent level. 9-22 and 5 rebound nights are simply unacceptable from our franchise player.
 
another loss to blame on the coach. Should have given the ball to Tyreke more in the 4th and just in general. The constant zone defense in the 4th was pathetic. Once to suprise a team is fine, but we literally played zone for 10 minutes straight, at which the Wolves were just running zone busting drills like it was practice. Cousins post game is pretty mediocre which is dissapointing. Stuck with 2nd unit way too long in the 2nd quarter. We're probably the only team in the league with 2 distinct units, we have our 5 starters that play together, and then 5 guys from the bench that play exclusively together. Whatever happend to leaving one of your stars out there to help the bench?
 
Missed this one, but judging by the box scorethere looks to be a few positives from the game. 9 man rotation and coach seems to have figured out that it's a good thing to play Tyreke 35+ minutes a night.

Also, Cousins needs to wake the hell up at some point and take ownership of this team. It hasn't gotten through to him yet that this team isn't going to win on a consistent basis until he starts playing up to his talent level. 9-22 and 5 rebound nights are simply unacceptable from our franchise player.

Pekovic had him man handled down low, pretty much stuck exclusively to the outside jumper. Cousins post game is very green, got blocked countless times tonight because he's trying to force weak little hooks around 3 players instead of staying composed and looking for the open shooter.
 
another loss to blame on the coach. Should have given the ball to Tyreke more in the 4th and just in general. The constant zone defense in the 4th was pathetic. Once to suprise a team is fine, but we literally played zone for 10 minutes straight, at which the Wolves were just running zone busting drills like it was practice. Cousins post game is pretty mediocre which is dissapointing. Stuck with 2nd unit way too long in the 2nd quarter. We're probably the only team in the league with 2 distinct units, we have our 5 starters that play together, and then 5 guys from the bench that play exclusively together. Whatever happend to leaving one of your stars out there to help the bench?

Oh c'mon now, Smart put Salmons in during the 3rd with our bench, we had one 'star' in there. Smh :|
 
I voted JT because, in the long run, he is in there to play scrappy - get boards, play d, get putbacks, etc. When he's not doing that, then why is he in there?
 
I'm just happy we still have our old Tyreke back, 2 weeks running. feels good. and his dunks seem sexier than they've ever been.
 
Yeah the only upside of this game is that Tyreke is saying true to his potential and form. I just think we are missing a piece to the puzzel atm with the bench, and Cousins needs to post up or take dudes of the dribble to ethier draw fouls, dish out assists and get some easy buckets to much mid range shots make him very ineffective.
 
I voted JT too, because he played lower than his usual self.

Cuz and Reke worked a 2 man game very well, only issue I had was Cuz pump faking his open outside shots (the defender never bought it a single time), resulting in the defender closing out or him then shooting it out of rhythm. Either take those shots or make a move, especially when the clock is ticking.

Cuz should do two things this post season: work with Hakeem and go for anger management.
 
the ONLY good thing i saw tonight, was that DeMarcus handled the referees very well. putting his hand up when he was called for fouls and i didnt see him argue or say much to refs at all
 
Well...this was not a terrible loss, but it was scruffy and one we could scant afford. One month into the season and we've already used up all of our free passes.

As for what WAS ugly? Try this:

Love 44min 24reb
vs.
Salmons 30min 0reb
Thompson 27min 5reb
Cousins 28min 5reb
Hayes 27min 4reb
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Combined 112min 14reb

Nice work there guys.

Theme we'll go with will be Dumbass Thrill Seekers.

Boxscore


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Interesting note: 4 of Cousins' 5 rebounds were on the offensive end. That's ONE defensive board for our starting star center.

Also of note:

AK-47 finished with 14 points, six rebounds, five assists and three block shots in the win. By comparison, the Kings got five points and two assists out of starter John Salmons. (Cowbellkingdom)
 
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the ONLY good thing i saw tonight, was that DeMarcus handled the referees very well. putting his hand up when he was called for fouls and i didnt see him argue or say much to refs at all

This I agree with. He needs to establish some rapport with refs or they'll be breathing down his neck all the time. If a little sucking up is what it takes so be it.
 
That and we didn't go to the Cousins/Evans two man game enough. Win or lose, if the game is close, I want them to run that every single time down the floor. If this team has any aspirations of becoming decent, they have to shove those two down every teams throats.

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I only watched the last 6 minutes of the game. Can someone tell me why Marcus Thornton wasn't in the game until there was 1:33 left?
 
I only watched the last 6 minutes of the game. Can someone tell me why Marcus Thornton wasn't in the game until there was 1:33 left?

Too small with IT and Reke out there against Minny's full-sized lineup. Also wasn't shooting well. But perhaps the largest and most significant reason was ... it's Keith Smart.
 
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