Grades v. Warriors 11/28

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Bricklayer

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Apologies -- twas a travel day. Had thought I might be able to rip them off, complete with theme, before the redeye. But no go.

Artest ( C+ ) -- got off to an active start working over old fellow thug Stephen Jackson in the early going, and seemed to be comfortable and know how he wanted to attack the game. Began to get out of control however, and you almsot have to wonder if maybe he was trying to show off for Jackson or something. After a layup in the first quarter decided to give us a muscleman flex for no apparent reason in what at the time was an ugly game of about 10-10, and after almost coming up with a monster flying follow jam in the early second quarter, otherwise started pressing and throwing up some ugly stuff. Reggie actually ended up sitting him down after that, and he did not play for the remainder of the half. Started to cause those huge matchup problems he does with his strength down inside in the third, but also renewed his FT struggles after he started getting to the line repeatedly, and was having trouble converting if the refs did not bail him out with a whistle. Got himself pulled after making a dumb open court foul on Baron in the early 4th. You can pick a lot of guys, but come on Ron. And with Baron with 5 fouls late in the game, Ron kept on getting guarded by him off of switches, and yet mysteriously refused to take him into the post? Baron is a tough guy, maybe the strongest of the PGs. But Ron is much mucg bigger, and all of a sudden he starts chucking jumpers instead? Missed a series of desperation threes late after our offense repeatedly broke down in the final minutes and we had to throw up junk. This one was the dreaded Ron Ron press/hero game, where he simply tried to do too much, started dominating the ball, pressing, forcing bad shots, and then coming back and forcing more bad shots in an effort to make up for the bad shot he had just taken. The result was a 21pt 9reb game, but on 7-24 shooting in only 32minutes. Just too much Ron for his, or our, own good.

Moore ( B ) -- had an effective first half with some follow jams and actual rebounds against a team where being a a 7'0" stickman still makes you a better rebounder than the 6'7" SF that is guarding you. Has settled now into a true roleplayer's game, which is how he can be useful. Just going to the glass on offense, shooting only when the shot is created for you by your teammate, and every once in a while doing something saavy, like the time he blocked his man out of the play to allow an uncontested drive by..Kevin maybe? Or the time he came up with a drawn charge in the final minutes by racing over and jumping under the Warriors driver (Jackson I think). And if that sounds like I am sceptical and have little respect for that play, its because I don't. But its what Mikki can do, and he again was playing within himself. Really timing his emergence here pretty much simultaneously with the return of Artest, and discovery of Beno. Lets him just play off the ball and not sweat the lack of talent thing, and since that time has been quite efficient. However when finally called upon in this one to make a big play that wasn't an uncontested layup, Mikki came up short when we needed it. Bricked an open elbow jumper set up by Beno that would have kept us in it late, and that was the ballgame.

Miller ( B+ ) -- Tough one to grade. Ragged up and down first half with Brad trying to find a role/comfort zone against the wackiness that is Nellie ball. Tried to be aggressive, but missed most of his shots. Did grab a fair share of rebounds as by far the biggest body on the floor. Meanwhile we were in a zone too much, but Brad was still making Andris Biedrins look like Wilt in there in the first half. Just catch and lay it up, rinse, repeat, with nary a contested shot. Waded in there for some big aggressive rebounds down the stretch, but his inability to hit shots hurt. Normally any King, ANY King, who had the temerity to go out and grab 18 rebounds in a game despite our explicit corporate rules about such behavior, would be getting an A of some sort. But this game was ragged, and Brad's poor offense was a real impediment to us winning this one. The defense on Biedrins got better, and I think Brad largely got the better of that matchup in the late going. But he never could get much going either with his own shot, or by setting up others.

Martin ( B+ ) -- big first half back in his preferred uptempo style. After a ragged start, kept it simple early and just went into catch and shoot mode, and after that settled his game he began to get aggressive and take the ball to the rack against the always porous Warriors defense (and of course as usual the Warriors rarely had more than one non-guard in there to challenge shots -- must have looked a lot like college to Kevin). Also managed to combine another good game on the glas with the scoring, and threw in several nice kick out passes as well -- soemthing he doesn't always do, but tonight there were occassional drives with the intention of creating a shot for somebody else after the defense collapsed rather than for himself. Benefitted as well by the refs calling a lot of touch fouls in the first half, including one breathing foul on Monta Ellis on a Kevin drive that was just silly. An important notation mind you, because the refs, who were just pathetic tonight, abruptly changed the way they were calling the game in the final few minutes. The result was a critical non-call on a Kevin drive at the 1:30 mark that would have put us up four. Biedrins came over, blocked the shot, and it appeared part of Kevin's arm, and the refs who had spent the whole game tweet tweet tweeting on a variety of B.S. that would not be a foul in golf let alone basketball, suddenly swallowed their whistles. Golden State came back down the other way, canned a three, and boom, there went our lead, and the game as it turned out. Even before that play, stop me if this sounds familiar, Kevin had been having a big game and then abruptly disappeared in the late third, and had all of one FT to his credit in the final quarter, and that was a technical. The Warriors paid attention to him, sure. But it was still only single coverage, no doubles, no traps. And yet it was another AWOL 4th for our leading scorer. This was right on the border of B+/A- for me, but the loss tips it I think -- we needed Kevin late, and he was nowhere to be found.
 
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Beno ( C ) -- was a part of our early turnoverfest, but settled down and began to make some solid shots for himself. Was not really running the point. Just dribbling to the many open spots on the floor vs. the Warriors and knocking down shots. Hence at the end of the first half you have the "PG" with 10pts 0ast and 3TO. Fortunately Baron was off his game early, and so Beno played him at least to a draw. But the largely shoot first mentality got less amusing as the game went on, and those shots quit falling. We had a grand total of 10 assists tonight, and our PG got all of 1 in 40 minutes. Think the big scoring night against the Spurs may have gone to his head. Ironically however, when Beno finally got unselfish for the absolutely critical play of the game he still might have made an ill advised decision -- kicking the ball out to an open Mikki Moore for a jumper to tie it up I think in the final 30 seconds. Mikki can hit that shot in theory. Maybe. But not this year, and is that the guy you want taking a game determining shot? Beno also made a bad mistake with the Warriors up 2 and having just rebounded the ball with 27 seconds to go. Beno immediately fouled Monta Ellis when he didn't need to -- we would have gotten the ball back if they had missed their shot. Result was a good FT shooter went to the line and put us down 4, and we couldn't recover.

Salmons ( C- ) -- I was generally unamused by John's game tonight, but he did have a couple of good moments down inisde playing like a big man against a Warriros team that probably looks at him like he's a PF. Unfortunately selfishness was the name of the game for both John and Cisco tonight. Passed up Mikki in the post against Baron, and in general looked selfish and even chippy in there in the first half. Made a couple of defensive plays, and grabbed a good rebound, but offensively did nothing, and worse yet, wasn't about to give up the ball so anybody else could do anything. Hard to see in the numbers of course -- numbers say he only took 3 shots. But it might have been a world record for most seconds holding the ball to take just three shots.

Cisco ( C- ) -- we had a megadose of good Cisco/evil Cisco in that first half -- repeatedly passed up Hawes in the post against Pietrus, Mikki in the post against anybody, but then stepped back and hit his own three. Turned the ball over repeatedly with bad passes, sloppy nbballhandling, and taking shots against the clock because he dribbled too long...but came down the other way for poke away steals and defense on the break. Fugly. Like the game itself. While he certainly did some poisitive things, all the erratic junk that went with it obviously did not inspire much confidence, and his second half minutes were limited. Its too bad too -- Reggie was still a pretty good looking guy before taking this job, but performances like this are aging him in dog years. He's going to look like Coachie by Christmas if this keeps up.

Hawes ( INC ) -- struggled on defense against the Warriors' quickness in his first half stint, and with Salmons and Cisco freezing him out on the other end so they could chuck some more of their own junk, had no impact and was quickly pulled.
 
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Douby ( INC ) -- just in to provide a little defensive ball pressure for the final minute of the first half, and then back in for the final few seconds of the game and a desperation three that bricked. I'll just throw this out there now, but it seems self evident: barring injury or trade, Quincy's role with the Kings seems over. Squashed behind our overstuffed backcourt as it is, and when Bibby comes back he won't even get the spot minutes he's getting now.

Theus ( ) -- This game was ugly ugly ugly. It got off to a ragged start when it felt like both teams might have had double figure turnovers in the first quarter. There was a lot of scoring, and none of it due to any particular merit by either team. Just took turns handing the ball to the other guy so that they could brick a shot or hand it right back. I wasn't even terribly amused by the things that seemed to be working -- for instance we were constantly in a zone defense against a team that should be absolutely proficient at punishing you for such a maneuver. It cut off Baron's penetration, which was good, but if the Warriors could have shot threes like an average Sacramento "center" they might have blown us out. Our rotations are of course fairly set now, but the dearth of frontcourt minutes for our kids continues to disappoint. We gave Spenser a single 3 minute look, and that was it. Basically the entire game was played by two 30-somethings on the way down in their careers. Of course it may not have mattered how many minutes we had played Spenser, let alone a guy like Justin, because you would have had to pry the ball out of Cisco and Salmons cold dead hands before they would pass it to him, and Ron, Beno and Kevin were having too much fun picking their own open shots. It was just a very very selfish game we played tonight. 10 total assists for the game. 1 by our PG. Nobody with more than 2. Ah, for the days of JWill, Christie, Webb, Vlade etc. *Sniff* Of course it all reached a nauseating climax in the 4th quarter when the offense completely collapsed, Kevin crawled into a hole, Ron decided to "save" us, nobody did one damn smart thing the enitre quarter, and if the coach had any thoughts on the matter, nobody was listening. We shot 2-23 in the fourth, and I think one of the recaps of the game (which I cannot find any longer) claimed that we only had 9 FGs in the second half, which was a record for us. Would not surprise me. Between the selfish play, flopping, random whistles and general ugliness it was certainly worst of show of some kind.


Azuibuike ( A- ) -- A for awful I mean, Kevin was NOT the best King on the floor tonight. It was this guy. The 2-11 doesn't begin to express it, because it was 2-11 wide open gimmes as other Warriors drew the attention and kicked the ball to him outside. Hell, I could have gotten at least 3 of those. He could have gotten a "+" here except he was often guarding Kevin in the last quarter, and Kevin completely disappeared during that time. Worst part is that he has been on of my early season sleepers on several of my fantasy teams. Thanks for the turd scrub boy. May have been able to extend this grade to the entire Azubuike, Pietrus, Barnes trio, who did everything physically possible to keep us in the game by missing 4163 open three pointers created by their more talented teammates. Well, not quite 4163, but the roleplaying trio did manage to combine for a lovely 6-28 from the field, and 3-16 from 3pt land, and we maybe challenged half a dozen of those shots.

Refs ( F- ) -- need to be taken out back, lined up against the wall and...given their pink slips. What? You thought I was going to advocate violence? But just absolutely, pathetically terrible. Warriors got the worst of it for most of the night, but the huge noncall on Kevin's drive really hurt us late, and there were more than enough completely random tweet tweets to last both teams. Just awful and made an ugly game anyway nearly unwatchable. Violet Palmer was off somewhere giggling at them.
 
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Brad with another double double. Did you say 18 rebounds? Oh, and don't forget 3 blocks? Yes, our Brad had 3 blocks. Give the man an A.

Artest was doing great until the last few minutes. He gets a C- from me.

Kevin came back and led in scoring. Too bad he could not get open (and stood at the 3 pt line) for most of the 4th qtr. I give him a B-.....only because he keeps rebounding.

That's all the grades I'm giving tonight.
 
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ARTEST - F--------
Artest holds onto the ball and tries to always win the game himself. He is the main reason the Kings lost tonight.. ugh.. trade the fool already.
 
agree. end of game play calling and timeout management by theus continues to baffle. ya he's new to nba coaching but cmon. horrible horrible execution at the end of games, players are to blame as well.


Well he doesn't fully trust his team yet and hey, why should he? He couldn't have been happy with the performance tonight. 10 assists?! C'mon we didn't derserve to win the game bottom line. Now if his plan was to rack up 10 assists and play one on one ball all night then I have a major problem.
 
Well, obviously more opportunities than we had. :p
What???? The Kings had many opportunities to win that game. The Kings too soooo many jumpers. Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson had 5 fouls each. The Kings had over 5 or 6 minutes to where they could have drove to the basket many times. Instead those chose to take jumpers.
 
What???? The Kings had many opportunities to win that game. The Kings too soooo many jumpers. Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson had 5 fouls each. The Kings had over 5 or 6 minutes to where they could have drove to the basket many times. Instead those chose to take jumpers.
You do know 6th was joking, right?

Z- For the (non-Warrior fan) Arco crowd. Except for the couple right in front of me, bless them, I thought I was in a section full of mummies. :mad:

Wanted to add that, yes, Matt Barnes did not have a good game at all. He had very little of the fire we expect to see from Matt. My heart just ached for him. :(
 
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You do know 6th was joking, right?

Z- For the (non-Warrior fan) Arco crowd. Except for the couple right in front of me, bless them, I thought I was in a section full of mummies. :mad:

I guess I didn't see the :p for some reason.

For the crowd - maybe it was hard for the crowd to get into it because there were soo many turnovers by the Kings. Yes, I know Golden States had many TO's as well. I don't blame the crowd for not getting into the game. Its not the crowd that I am paying to see....its coming to watch the Kings game that I paying for and right now, its just not a worthy product. That's why there are sooo many empty seats and the reason why I am not able to sell any more of my tickets.
 
Reggie Theus - F+


Should be at least a C.

They had a chance to win in the end.

These are the situations where we need a post player who will command the double team and kick the ball out or pass to someone slashing.

Of course we'll also need the player who will be willing to pass the ball to this post up player.

Hell post up Brad, he usually makes smart decisions.

OK, maybe Reggie does deserve at least a D for not attempting this on one of those last 3 or 4 possessions up by 4 pts.

Arghhhhhhhhh
 
I'm sorry you can't sell more of your tickets and my guess is, it will be hard to do for awhile.

I don't go to watch the crowd either. I go to urge my team on, good or bad. No team is going to be good every single year. They are still my team. I grew up being a "through thick or thin" fan.

I understand that not everyone feels like I do, but it is disappointing to see so many people sitting there like a teenager at a family reunion, forced to be there.
 
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Cisco ( C- ) -- we had a megadose of good Cisco/evil Cisco in that first half -- repeatedly passed up Hawes in the post against Pietrus, Mikki in the post against anybody, but then stepped back and hit his own three. Turned the ball over repeatedly with bad passes, sloppy nbballhandling, and taking shots against the clock because he dribbled too long...but came down the other way for poke away steals and defense on the break. Fugly. Like the game itself. While he certainly did some poisitive things, all the erratic junk that went with it obviously did not inspire much confidence, and his second half minutes were limited. Its too bad too -- Reggie was still a pretty good looking guy before taking this job, but performances like this are aging him in dog years. He's going to look like Coachie by Christmas if this keeps up.

You outdid yourself with this, Brickie... I suspect our entire year is going to be spent trying to figure out WHICH Garcia is going to appear not during various quarters but within single possessions. "Possess" being the operative word.
 
You outdid yourself with this, Brickie... I suspect our entire year is going to be spent trying to figure out WHICH Garcia is going to appear not during various quarters but within single possessions. "Possess" being the operative word.
LOL
I thought your grades were right on the mark, Brick.Theus has those wrinkles on his brow. I think they are turning into crevasses before our eyes. In the post-game, he said he was pleading with guys to take it strong to the basket, but they kept taking jumpers. Poor guy was obviously ticked at the team last night. I don't think I'd want to be at practice today. :cool:
 
With the way Salmons is playing (selfish, and plays some defense) I rather see Douby out there learning. But maybe I’m just biased.

ARTEST - F--------
Artest holds onto the ball and tries to always win the game himself. He is the main reason the Kings lost tonight.. ugh.. trade the fool already.

As much as I like to blame Artest for the team losing (and yes, he did jack up bad shots throughout the game including the last minute or two), I think it was a combination of many things, mainly, our team didn't play like a team. We also, had some really nice turnovers and some missed freethrows.
 
"Beno also made a bad mistake with the Warriors up 2 and having just rebounded the ball with 27 seconds to go. Beno immediately fouled Monta Ellis when he didn't need to -- we would have gotten the ball back if they had missed their shot. Result was a good FT shooter went to the line and put us down 4, and we couldn't recover."

That was probably the key play at the end of the game. Before Beno made that foul he looked back at the bench. Then he made the foul. Then he looked back at Theus. What Theus said or did I have no idea, but Beno promptly waved his hands up in the air in obvious frustration. Then as Beno came back to the bench, Theus said, That's ok, that's ok (I read lips). Apparently, there was a miscommunication between point guard and coach. And so the learning curve goes with the new coach, and the players getting used to the new coach.

I tevoed the game and freeze framed the block on Martin. It was very, very close. One frame he looks like the defender could have gotten the ball before he got Martin; next frame and I wasn't sure.
 
as a player you should know the situation and the clock. If you have to turn to your coach on what to do in that situation then you are a stupid player.
 
I felt a little flashback of Musselman the other night, that's why I'm giving Theus an F. The Substitutions weren't so bad, but the execution was absolutely terrible. The team is up 4 points with a couple minutes to go, and your point guard is milking the clock, and then the team ends up jacking up a terrible shot in the end of the possession. That's absolutely awful. But that's not it yet. After we already fell behind, Theus took a timeout, and out of the timeout, like back in the Musselman days, nothing was executed. Artest ended up jacking up a crazy 3-pointer while having a defender up his a**. That's what I hated about Musselman, because the timeouts seemed to be wasted.

But hey, as I heard on the radio today, MAYBE, MAYBE Theus told them to do otherwise, and the Kings did their own thing on the court, disobeying the coach. I guess we won't know what really happened, but in the end of the game, if you fail so miserably in the execution, it's always going to come down to the coach in my book.

EDIT: And hey, about the Beno fouling Monta in the end of the game thing.. I'll blame that on the coaching staff as well. You all saw Beno's expression when he looked at the coach. He didn't know what was going on because the staff kept yelling around and stuff. That's frustrating. The coaching staff has to improve.


That's what I read in I think the bee and it made sense. They played good offensively for the whole game, then in the 4th their play just deteriorated(spelling) into that 1 on 1 trash while ignoring Martin.
 
That's what I read in I think the bee and it made sense. They played good offensively for the whole game, then in the 4th their play just deteriorated(spelling) into that 1 on 1 trash while ignoring Martin.


They played the same way for the entire game -- there was never any ball movement. Just the shots were falling early, and when Golden State tightened up the defense we were exposed. And Kevin...Kevin is getting the same excuses Peja always did -- always everybody else's fault. And with similar merit.
 
as a player you should know the situation and the clock. If you have to turn to your coach on what to do in that situation then you are a stupid player.

Um, you miss the point. Udrih apparently got a signal or something from one of the assistant coaches to foul. That's why he was so frustrated, although he didn't say anything. At least three of the assistant coaches were up and yelling and it would take a slo-mo camera to figure out who was yelling what. You can't put it on Beno. And calling him stupid just isn't fair in this situation.
 
Um, you miss the point. Udrih apparently got a signal or something from one of the assistant coaches to foul. That's why he was so frustrated, although he didn't say anything. At least three of the assistant coaches were up and yelling and it would take a slo-mo camera to figure out who was yelling what. You can't put it on Beno. And calling him stupid just isn't fair in this situation.

Only one voice should come from the bench. There's nothing brilliant about my comment. I'm going to pay attention to the bench a little more.
 
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