Grades v. Warriors 03/20

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( D- ) -- his first three shots were ugly forces, but he then went on a hot streak where I was thinking we were actually going to get back to back well rounded efforts from Peja. Rather than just coasting around taking the path of least resistance, he was boarding, driving, making a pass or two, thinking of more than just his own offense. At one point there my little mental checklist said "B" for Peja. Well, that quickly faded, and Peja just fell entirely off the map from the mid-2nd onward. Brick, brick, brick, brick and BRICK -- made me want to change my nickname. Good thing he got to shoot a couple of technical free throws, or his contributions would have been even mroe meager. Finally hit a wide open three at about the 5:30 minute mark, and I had a little hope it might spark him, but it led nowhere. And to make matters worse, the offensive struggles seemed to bleed over into the rest of his game, the energy went entirely south, the rebounding disappeared, even in several insane lineups where he was easily the biggest King on the court, and he made some dumb defensive mistakes late as well. Because of the early burst, I'm not going to go with an "F" here, but damn it did get ugly.
Songaila ( B+ ) -- after our abysmal start to the game, Darius was the player to spark us back into it with a string of jumpers and several very nice passes that revived a little hope for our high post offense. Downside was that he was being attacked again at will on the other end of the floor, and didn't show on the defensive boards. Had an adventursome third quarter -- suddenly got VERY active on the offensive glass and was driving to the hoop hard against the non-existent Warriors interior defense. But also was picking up cheapee fouls left and right, and quickly got himself in foul trouble. Along with Thomas, was a King at least showing some energy, and showed a lot of hustle. But one of those reboudning nights where you say "7 offensive boards -- Great!" but then realize that means he gave you almost nothign on the defenisve glass on a night when we were getting killed in there again.
Skinner ( C ) -- finally had his mediocre game. Did not have his usual energy to start the game, and then hurt his hand and really was ineffective therafter. Went out in the mid-third and never returned, setting in motion a long excrutiating stretch of mega-small ball which reached almost embarrassing proportions at times.
Evans ( A- ) -- less of his usual hi-flying athletics, and more strong solid active play. Most important contribution -- drew the assignment on Baron Davis, and did an excellent job. Baron is still not healthy, and he's a guy who can beat himself at times, but Mo generally made him earn everything tongiht. Also gave us that nice big boost on the glass from the OG spot again. Despite all that for some reason hsi game seemed to just be lacking that little spark tonight, and I was briefly tempted to give him a B+, maybe just on the general disappointment of the night. But this is still Mo Evans here, who made the team by winning a spot in camp, and he still gave us 15 and 8 and good defense, so has to be an A of some sort.
Bibby ( B ) -- started off looking like another ugly game for Mike, and his shot just looked awful. But he made the smart adjustment after sitting for a long stretch of the second quarter and began driving to the hoop at every opportunity attacking the shotblockerless Warriors frontline. And by the end fo the game he had worked and worked hsi way into a nice statistical game. But that's what it always flet like -- work. Never really took over the game, and never really seemed to have control of it. Was scoring by trickery and force, but it never seemed to ignite much of anything for us.
Thomas ( A- ) -- came in with another dynamic burst off the bench in the second quarter -- almost beginning to think we should keep him in that role just so he can keep on giving us a spark. Showed excellent recognition that the Warriors had no defensive presence inside with Adonal Foyle injured and attacked the rim at every opportunity -- not something he can do against bigger frontlines, but against the soft Warriors frontcourt he looked like Amare. Along with Darius the ONLY guy with any energy out there down the stretch. Very interesting to watch the last few games with Kenny -- he is actually acting like a primary option out there and looking to shoot almost every time the ball touches his hands. I have mixed feelings about that, but we certainly needed his effort and aggression tonight just to stay close.
House ( C ) -- mixed in one nice play with a whole lot of nothing. Initially had some real problems guarding Fisher as well.
Martin ( C ) -- got more time than he has in a month as Rick went to him him both early and late looking for a spark for his injured and tired team. Did not do much, but did have the honor of being part of probably the smallest team seen on the floor in Sacramento since the bad ole lottery days when he teamed with Bibby, House, Peja and Thomas to form a quintet that would be too small to win the Final Four.
Daniels ( INC ) -- apparently has passed Tag in the rotation as well. :rolleyes: Not sure what else to say, except that I damn near dropped Rick's grade to a mandatory "F" for that particular bit of stupidity.

Adelman ( C ) -- Depressing loss. These 4 games were susposed to be the EASY stretch for us before things got tough, and we're a Mobley Miracle away from having lost the first three. Meanwhile injuries continue to mount. Tough tough situation for Rick with no fewer than 5 guys out by the end, including his starting OG, starting C, 6th man, and after halftime his reserve C who has been starting in place of the original starter. And then just to raise the degree of difficulty higher, one of his two remaining stars goes out and has one of, if not THE, worst shooting nights of his career. Now that said, was not really happy about the way this one was coached. Initially thought that the early appearance of Kevin Martin indicated that Rick was maybe going to go a little deeper into his bench to try to save his team's energy on a back to back. But in reality, it was really just Martin getting bumped up in the rotation with Mobley out, and by the end we had basically gone with another six man, and after Skinner got hurt, really five man rotation for the bulk of the game. Tons and tons of minutes for the core on a night when a lot of the guys just looked flat. And tonight the Great Tag Fallacy was really in evidence as Rick took the small ball concept to ridiculous lengths in the absence of Skinner, once making a move that has to almost be considered insulting to Tag as he brought in Erik Daniels off the bench ahead of him with us playing a tiny lineup and getting killed on the glass. Smallest fivesome I spotted out there was Bobby/House/Martin/Peja/Thomas -- actually I believe that that is the second smallest lineup we could field tonight given our available players (guess you could have subbed Mo in for Peja or Thomas). And meanwhile, while all this is going on, sitting over on the bench is a 7'2" shotblocking center who has started half his career games, averaged 22mpg over his career, played in 2 NBA Finals and 50+ playoff games. But no. Kick our *** inside, see if we care. I can't in good conscience drop Rick's grade further given the extremely difficult circumstances he is facing, but I can't disagree with his decisionmaking more strenuously on that topic. We are getting killed inside every night. We are struggling to board. Struggling to beat bad teams. For heaven's sake man, do something about it -- make the move.
 
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Tag thinks he can get in basketball shape by playing himself into shape. RA has made it clear that he is not going to get into shape on the court. Still Tag refuses to use the "state of the art" practice facility and do the hard work that is necessary. If I really wanted to play when the coach tells me to get into shape first, my butt would be in that facility every day...for hours on end.

Tag is getting a paycheck to sit and do nothing. That is the crime, IMO. My prediction: RA will keep Tag off the playoff roster. I'd bet money on it.
 
I thought Tag probably killed Adelman's dog. Same as G-Wall.

We got BURNED on offensive glass in the 4th and that is what keep us from coming back. I bet Tag at least can grab a couple at that strech.
 
Bricklayer said:
Adelman ( C ) .... And meanwhile, while all this is going on, sitting over on the bench is a 7'2" shotblocking center who has started half his career games, averaged 22mpg over his career, played in 2 NBA Finals and 50+ playoff games. But no. Kick our *** inside, see if we care. I can't in good conscience drop Rick's grade further given the extremely difficult circumstances he is facing, but I can't disagree with his decisionmaking more strenuously on that topic. We are getting killed inside every night. We are struggling to board. Struggling to beat bad teams. For heaven's sake man, do something about it -- make the move.

I couldn't agree more, we are getting creamed in a game where big men must be used ... good or bad. Skinner is great, but jeeze, can't someone go running with Tag... don't we have fitness coaches???? Get the guy in shape and get him in there for pete sake!!!
 
Good grades.

Those A's and B's were really heard earned. Not only did Mike, Mo, Neptune and K9 have to contend with inspired Warriors but it seemed that at times their own teammates and coach were helping the wrong side.
 
kingsfan1950 said:
I couldn't agree more, we are getting creamed in a game where big men must be used ... good or bad. Skinner is great, but jeeze, can't someone go running with Tag... don't we have fitness coaches???? Get the guy in shape and get him in there for pete sake!!!
We don't have a fitness coach and we don't have a physical trainner either.
 
fair grades

i really liked Darius and K9s energy and hustle...Mo was solid...as he always is when he starts they all deserved their grades...

Overall i was not at all impressed with some of RAs decision making but like you (Brick) said..with all the injuries and what not...i guess you have to cut him a bit of slack...

I wish i could wake up tomorrow and all of our guys with injuries even the nagging ones were 100%...with each game that passes its become MORE and MORE apparent how much we truly miss Brad...like tonight i found myself saying..."if only we had Cat in there perhaps he could provide a spark" but really what i should of been saying was "if only we had Brad in there we wouldn't be struggling nearly as much--especially offensively" ::shakes head:: its all very unfortunate really...::sigh::...well i hope that Cat and Corliss are ready to go on Tuesday...and that Brian isn't hurt as bad im making myself believe he is...perhaps Peja will be fresher....and Mike can go back to controling the game...only time will tell

GO KINGS!!
 
Tag isn't helping himself either, sitting two rows back amidst the fans on the sidelines, rather then with his team mates on the bench. He's been doing that for 3 or 4 games now, and one thing is for sure, the quickest way to make sure you never see the light of day on the court is to give Adelman ammunition like that.
 
kingsfan1950 said:
I couldn't agree more, we are getting creamed in a game where big men must be used ... good or bad. Skinner is great, but jeeze, can't someone go running with Tag... don't we have fitness coaches???? Get the guy in shape and get him in there for pete sake!!!

i just read that tag was working with the kings trainer so he could get in shape. i don't know why he only did that now.
 
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Tag thinks he can get in basketball shape by playing himself into shape. RA has made it clear that he is not going to get into shape on the court. Still Tag refuses to use the "state of the art" practice facility and do the hard work that is necessary. If I really wanted to play when the coach tells me to get into shape first, my butt would be in that facility every day...for hours on end.

Tag is getting a paycheck to sit and do nothing. That is the crime, IMO. My prediction: RA will keep Tag off the playoff roster. I'd bet money on it.

I am sure Tag refuses to get in the gym and instead gorges himself with Ho-Hos and Pop Tarts. That sounds like the truth to me.

The way they talk about Tags shape you would think this guy was Arnold or some bullSHI!

The only shape he has ever been in is round. It seemed to be alright before.
 
There have been several times when I've questioned RA's unwillingness to play Tag -- and if you saw how I reacted to his signing during the offseason, you'd know what a big thing that is -- but seeing Erik Daniels get the nod today over Tag? I've got to give RA the benefit of the doubt and assume that there is a damn good reason that he's not getting minutes.

I don't know what that reason is, but there's got to be one.
 
In Skinner's defense - as it were - I think it should be at least noted that BOTH thumbs were being bandaged. When I saw that, I thought he was going to try out for "The Contenders."

I guess one thumb was already injured and the second one was injured when they called the "finger jam."

At this point, I'm going to be happy if they make it through the rest of the season alive. Anything more will be gravy and cause for celebratory dancing in the streets.
 
Kingsgurl said:
Tag isn't helping himself either, sitting two rows back amidst the fans on the sidelines, rather then with his team mates on the bench. He's been doing that for 3 or 4 games now, and one thing is for sure, the quickest way to make sure you never see the light of day on the court is to give Adelman ammunition like that.

I know you mentioned this before but I didn't really pay much attention. Now, however, it's obvious that he is at least physically separating himself from the team. That can't be a good sign.
 
Oops.

Team grade: INC

I'm sorry, but I cannot possibly give a team grade to a line-up that, at one point, consisted of: House, Martin, Evans, Thomas and Daniels.

I just can't...
 
LOL i had a feeling you were gonna come out with the INC

totally understand...i couldn't see how you could possibly have graded the boys tonight
 
Kingsgurl said:
Tag isn't helping himself either, sitting two rows back amidst the fans on the sidelines, rather then with his team mates on the bench. He's been doing that for 3 or 4 games now, and one thing is for sure, the quickest way to make sure you never see the light of day on the court is to give Adelman ammunition like that.

He has done that since game one of the season. I think you are reading too much into it. I think he sits back there because there is more leg room.
 
keflanag said:
He has done that since game one of the season. I think you are reading too much into it. I think he sits back there because there is more leg room.

How can there be MORE leg room when on the bench there is NOTHING in front of him?

For most games, he has been sitting on the bench. At least that's where I've seen him as I've done the play-by-plays.

Every other tall player sits on the bench. EVEN Shawn Bradley sits on the bench and he's considerably taller than Tag, so I don't think that makes much sense either...
 
GO always sits in that chair thats in back of the bench over to the side right next to the police officer :) ...ive never seen him actually sit on the bench...he has pretty much sat in that chair all season long..i once saw Brad sit in it during a game too

I can't wait for the postgame quotes to be released...i really can't wait to hear what RA and company have to say...i hope their are some Mike Bibby quotes...but prolly not...
 
VF21 said:
How can there be MORE leg room when on the bench there is NOTHING in front of him?

For most games, he has been sitting on the bench. At least that's where I've seen him as I've done the play-by-plays.

Every other tall player sits on the bench. EVEN Shawn Bradley sits on the bench and he's considerably taller than Tag, so I don't think that makes much sense either...


I think Tag could be in front of the bench giving RA a foot massage and Tag still wouldn't see any minutes.:D RA's dog house seems to be near impossible to get out of.
 
iheartBrad said:
I can't wait for the postgame quotes to be released...i really can't wait to hear what RA and company have to say...i hope their are some Mike Bibby quotes...but prolly not...

They showed Mike in the locker room on the post-game show here.

His responses were of the I'm-going-to-say-whatever-I-need-to-say-to-get-these-damn-cameras-out-of-my-face-as-quickly-as-possible variety.

Let's just say he didn't look like the happiest of campers.
 
iheartBrad said:
GO always sits in that chair thats in back of the bench over to the side right next to the police officer :) ...ive never seen him actually sit on the bench...he has pretty much sat in that chair all season long..i once saw Brad sit in it during a game too

I can't wait for the postgame quotes to be released...i really can't wait to hear what RA and company have to say...i hope their are some Mike Bibby quotes...but prolly not...

ihB - You're judging by what you're seeing on TV in quick glimpses. I think KG is talking about what she's seeing from section 112. I KNOW I've seen glimpses of Tag on the bench and not the one you're talking about.

KG first mentioned that Tag was actually 3 rows BEHIND the bench several home games ago. It was much further back than he's previously been - and she was a little surprised then. She's remarked since that he seems to be almost hiding back there now.

:D
 
GoGoGadget said:
They showed Mike in the locker room on the post-game show here.

His responses were of the I'm-going-to-say-whatever-I-need-to-say-to-get-these-damn-cameras-out-of-my-face-as-quickly-as-possible variety.

Let's just say he didn't look like the happiest of campers.

nice!

when i first read what you said i missed the "variety" part...and i actually thought he said that sentence...lol

I dunno i personally find things like that amusing...it doesn't take much to entertain me :D
 
Kenny finishes the games fo' wor, it does neet mattor if he or darius starts the gyem. brin darius early an' see if he is effective, then brin in kenny tuh punch the opponents bench an' gerrus sum clutch shyeutin an' reboundin.
 
VF21 said:
ihB - You're judging by what you're seeing on TV in quick glimpses. I think KG is talking about what she's seeing from section 112. I KNOW I've seen glimpses of Tag on the bench and not the one you're talking about.

KG first mentioned that Tag was actually 3 rows BEHIND the bench several home games ago. It was much further back than he's previously been - and she was a little surprised then. She's remarked since that he seems to be almost hiding back there now.

:D

I've went to a few games over Christmas break and January, I too noticed he tend to sit in the back row rather with the bench.
 
One thing I noticed tonight and really stood out was rotation was not there. I should of counted but Peja was usually standing in the corner, not sure if that was designed so he could get the out pass but its something I noticed.

Also noticed when their was rotation Bibby and Peja were always right next to each other. Again not sure if that was designed but you would think that our 2 best shooters should not be right next to each other.
 
Grades were overly Kind... honestly if a pure shooter goes 4-19 not sure how he escapes an F. Not playing the one guy that could stop the bleeding nets RA nothing higher than a D- in my book.
 
Well I'll just add that Vlade only played to get into game shape. Never was much for working out. I think Tag should get a few minutes here and there, especially when our interior D is under constant attack with the likes of Brad and Brian out. Just my 2 cents.

Big Tag should also be working on his free throws with coachie while he's idle.
 
Peja needs to quit shooting those fadeaways. He acts like every player guarding him is a bigger player. Hes 6-10! He needs some damn confidence!

Skinner spraining both thumbs, Corliss out with a hurt elbow, brad out, and cat with a fractured toe isnt easy to win with. We gave it an effort but wasnt in the cards.



Oh well....Spit Happens!

Onto the Blazers.


VF21 said:
ihB - You're judging by what you're seeing on TV in quick glimpses. I think KG is talking about what she's seeing from section 112. I KNOW I've seen glimpses of Tag on the bench and not the one you're talking about.

KG first mentioned that Tag was actually 3 rows BEHIND the bench several home games ago. It was much further back than he's previously been - and she was a little surprised then. She's remarked since that he seems to be almost hiding back there now.

Ive seen what IHB has seen . Next to the Sherrifs Deputy. 1st row last seat. I see him there every game. about a good 10 feet from the bench. If tags anymore back hes in the second deck;)
 
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