[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

[NewArena]

I’ve always felt the plan is to pair Curry with LeBron. Kuminga plus pick(s) probably get it done.

The Lakers are never giving the warriors Lebron, not for any package, IMO, let alone Kuminga.

 

[NewArena]

Bull****. If it happens it happens but give me a break.

At this point, the Kings don’t need to be trading for wings just because they fit a certain description on paper. Don’t get me wrong, i love Kuminga’s athleticism and i do think his upside is higher than Kerr may think, but, we need a wing that can defend at a high level and help Keegan and Keon out on the perimeter defensively.

I wouldn’t mind the Kings going after him at some point but It sounds like Kuminga isn’t the smartest player right now and tends to get lost on that end of the floor. I have a feeling the honeymoon period wouldn’t have lasted so long between Kuminga and a lot of the fans, with many people assuming he can solve a lot of our problems.

 

[SacTownKid]

At this point, the Kings don’t need to be trading for wings just because they fit a certain description on paper. Don’t get me wrong, i love Kuminga’s athleticism and i do think his upside is higher than Kerr may think, but, we need a wing that can defend at a high level and help Keegan and Keon out on the perimeter defensively.

I wouldn’t mind the Kings going after him at some point but It sounds like Kuminga isn’t the smartest player right now and tends to get lost on that end of the floor. I have a feeling the honeymoon period wouldn’t have lasted so long between Kuminga and a lot of the fans, with many people assuming he can solve a lot of our problems.

It's pretty clear what's going on here. Kuminga's agent got his *** handed to him like he was always going to and is still playing the media to drum up interest in his client. Kuminga could explode and a godfather deal comes to the Warriors and there's nothing Kuminga or his agent can really do about what happens from there but if he explodes the Warriors will probably some how miraculously repair the rift. It's what they do.

 

[hrdboild]

It's pretty clear what's going on here. Kuminga's agent got his *** handed to him like he was always going to and is still playing the media to drum up interest in his client. Kuminga could explode and a godfather deal comes to the Warriors and there's nothing Kuminga or his agent can really do about what happens from there but if he explodes the Warriors will probably some how miraculously repair the rift. It's what they do.

I don't understand why Kuminga's agent spent most of the summer saying that they would take the Qualifying Offer to be free of Restricted status in a year only to just take the two year offer and surrender control anyway. I guess money is money but if you're going to stand firm, then stand firm.

 

[SacTownKid]

I don't understand why Kuminga's agent spent most of the summer saying that they would take the Qualifying Offer to be free of Restricted status in a year only to just take the two year offer and surrender control anyway. I guess money is money but if you're going to stand firm, then stand firm.

Yeah, really, haha. He tried to manufacture leverage that wasn't there. Once it was clear the few teams with space had no interest or trade offers weren't lighting up the phones it was over. His poker face was basically backed by the only move he had that point, throwing his cards on the table and eating the loss, lol.

 

[NewArena]

Yeah, really, haha. He tried to manufacture leverage that wasn't there. Once it was clear the few teams with space had no interest or trade offers weren't lighting up the phones it was over. His poker face was basically backed by the only move he had that point, throwing his cards on the table and eating the loss, lol.

I think they were banking on a Wes Wilcox or Vlade type of negotiation and find out quickly that this ain't that lol! They were a few months too late

 

[Spike]

As much as it would have filled a position of need, I'm ok with the result. That said, we are still looking to fill a position of need.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I don't understand why Kuminga's agent spent most of the summer saying that they would take the Qualifying Offer to be free of Restricted status in a year only to just take the two year offer and surrender control anyway. I guess money is money but if you're going to stand firm, then stand firm.

I don't understand why he'd actually sign the QO though either (something I was steadfastly adamant would never happen as it is financially crippling for a player looking for a large payday). As far as I'm aware, the only player that actually signed his QO Quentin Grimes and wasn't given an offer as Philly has a logjam at his position.

The reality is if he signs the QO he's an MLE at best player for the next 3 years. He can still force a sign and trade without drastic BYC next year. The only thing that makes no sense is giving up his no trade clause but maybe it's not as simple as reported - like he'll accept trades but not any trade. Because if he plays both years of the contract with his new club he gets early Bird rights and also a potential large payday.

If he had signed the QO it would have gone down with Nerlens Noel level malpractice.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

As much as it would have filled a position of need, I'm ok with the result. That said, we are still looking to fill a position of need.

I know it was a nasty piece of work but that "why he doesn't fit" video really had me questioning whether he'd wind up our next biggest regret.

I just hope GS gets burned in the end. So many ways that can happen.

 

[hrdboild]

I don't understand why he'd actually sign the QO though either (something I was steadfastly adamant would never happen as it is financially crippling for a player looking for a large payday). As far as I'm aware, the only player that actually signed his QO Quentin Grimes and wasn't given an offer as Philly has a logjam at his position.

The reality is if he signs the QO he's an MLE at best player for the next 3 years. He can still force a sign and trade without drastic BYC next year. The only thing that makes no sense is giving up his no trade clause but maybe it's not as simple as reported - like he'll accept trades but not any trade. Because if he plays both years of the contract with his new club he gets early Bird rights and also a potential large payday.

If he had signed the QO it would have gone down with Nerlens Noel level malpractice.

I understand what you mean but to be honest, given everything I see going on in my city when I walk outside the door right now, to use the words "financially crippling" to describe a person accepting an offer to make $8 million in salary over one year after already making nearly $25 million in salary over the past four is really rubbing me the wrong way. He could have and would have survived with less money if he really cared about putting his future into his own hands. And that is a decision I would have applauded and may have even set a precedent for other players who find themselves in similar circumstances in the future. Forgive me for invoking the spectre of violence unnecessarily, but there is such a thing as "winning the battle and losing the war". In this case I think he may have lost both.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I’m guessing he figured either way he has to play for the Warriors for 1 year. His leverage is that the Warriors will have to trade him to a team that he wants to sign long term with or they will lose him after one year and he becomes a free agent before his 25th birthday.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I understand what you mean but to be honest, given everything I see going on in my city when I walk outside the door right now, to use the words "financially crippling" to describe a person accepting an offer to make $8 million in salary over one year after already making nearly $25 million in salary over the past four is really rubbing me the wrong way. He could have and would have survived with less money if he really cared about putting his future into his own hands. And that is a decision I would have applauded and may have even set a precedent for other players who find themselves in similar circumstances in the future. Forgive me for invoking the spectre of violence unnecessarily, but there is such a thing as "winning the battle and losing the war". In this case I think he may have lost both.

I didn't mean financially crippling in terms of his personal finances, I meant financially crippling in terms of the options available to him with his next contract.

It's like say I have some money in a mutual fund and some weird political news comes in that causes the market to drop 25% over a week. If I sell, I can't buy that fund again for 90 days.

When it rebounds and gains 20% over the next 90 days I financially crippled myself by selling.

Whether I'm a thousandaire or billionaire in that scenario.

Taking the QO and losing Bird and even early Bird rights is basically setting himself up to be a minimum player down the road. And hey, I would love to have Marvin Bagley's bank account. What a life. His old house in Sac area really nice. But these are NBA guys with more earning potential and they are also wired much differently when it comes to money. Many would rather make a billion dollars and be penniless at 40 than make $5 million a year over a solid 12 year career, make sound financial decisions, and retire with generational wealth.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

one last thing: I think we've also seen that playing time is also at least partially a function of salary cap utilization, and so by being a 7 million dollar guy the Dubs can afford to not play him and ruin his career. At 25m they probably just added to sunk cost and the need to get return on their investment.

It's why "buy out guys" typically never get a pay day again even if they rebound a bit with the team they join post deadling, or the team they sign with next season, it's another path to becoming a minimum guy.

We'll see where Grimes winds up. Interesting test case. LaRavia is another guy who could have signed a 1 year deal with us and had Bird rights but instead signed a cheap 2 year deal with LA and will have limited his options in 2027 as a result.

 

[NewArena]

I know it was a nasty piece of work but that "why he doesn't fit" video really had me questioning whether he'd wind up our next biggest regret.

I just hope GS gets burned in the end. So many ways that can happen.

Oh yeah humble pie is most definitely on the way for them and I don't think they'll be able to avoid it. Horford is a nice addition for them but they're only delaying the inevitable and nowhere near OKC or even Denver IMO.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

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Kuminga haters got their moment last night.


are all of these his fault? I'm not sure. also are they playing him at point???

 

[Caccia]

In the first half against Golden State, Kuminga has looked pretty good, if you overlook the five turnovers and zero rebounds.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

In the first half against Golden State, Kuminga has looked pretty good, if you overlook the five turnovers and zero rebounds.

Zero rebounds is ridiculous for some his size and athleticism

He’s been passing really well in the preseason though

 

[Joshyjosh31]

When we suck at the deadline (from the jump to be honest) this three team trade is what I’d like

Toronto: Sabonis and Monk

Sacramento: Quickley, Kuminga, Moody and a first

GSW: Barrett and a 1st from Toronto

Toronto gets Sabonis and monk who they’ve been rumored to like nice consolation prize when they lose out on Giannis

GSW gets a big scoering wing that can defend and contract expires with there timeline

We get a young pg with potential and Kuminga who the front office thinks has all star potential and a first. Great value for Sabonis/monk and a great start to a rebuild would be a home run if we can get a top 4 pick

 

[admira1]

When we suck at the deadline (from the jump to be honest) this three team trade is what I’d like

Toronto: Sabonis and Monk

Sacramento: Quickley, Kuminga, Moody and a first

GSW: Barrett and a 1st from Toronto

Toronto gets Sabonis and monk who they’ve been rumored to like nice consolation prize when they lose out on Giannis

GSW gets a big scoering wing that can defend and contract expires with there timeline

We get a young pg with potential and Kuminga who the front office thinks has all star potential and a first. Great value for Sabonis/monk and a great start to a rebuild would be a home run if we can get a top 4 pick

I will speak with my feelings and not logic, but if we give up Sabonis (and Monk) for that, I'm gonna be sick. Several of you guys have said you aren't excited for Kings basketball this season, but trading Sabonis right now, for this, would make me disinterested for at least a season.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I will speak with my feelings and not logic, but if we give up Sabonis (and Monk) for that, I'm gonna be sick. Several of you guys have said you aren't excited for Kings basketball this season, but trading Sabonis right now, for this, would make me disinterested for at least a season.

You have to recognize that Joshy has a really extremely low valuation of Sabonis. Domas is under control for three years at an average of $45.5M per year, and he's a top-10 player in the league in all the basic advanced stats over the last three years. Only Jokic is better as a C. Domas is worth (no pun intended) a king's ransom if we trade him, but realistically, we should be building around him.

 

[The_Jamal]

You have to recognize that Joshy has a really extremely low valuation of Sabonis. Domas is under control for three years at an average of $45.5M per year, and he's a top-10 player in the league in all the basic advanced stats over the last three years. Only Jokic is better as a C. Domas is worth (no pun intended) a king's ransom if we trade him, but realistically, we should be building around him.

Funnily enough, I think we have a lot of the right archetype of player to make a Domas-centric team successful (Carter/Keon/Nique/Keegan). LaVine in theory should play off him perfectly offensively.

I just have no confidence we'll play the rotations correctly to fully maximize what Domas can do on the floor

 

[macadocious]

You have to recognize that Joshy has a really extremely low valuation of Sabonis. Domas is under control for three years at an average of $45.5M per year, and he's a top-10 player in the league in all the basic advanced stats over the last three years. Only Jokic is better as a C. Domas is worth (no pun intended) a king's ransom if we trade him, but realistically, we should be building around him.

And all the talking heads hate him, and like it or not, that stuff matters when GMs are trying to trade for a player.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

I will speak with my feelings and not logic, but if we give up Sabonis (and Monk) for that, I'm gonna be sick. Several of you guys have said you aren't excited for Kings basketball this season, but trading Sabonis right now, for this, would make me disinterested for at least a season.

Monk is a throw in apparently he has no value.. the FO thinks Kuminga has star potential and IW is a very good young player what do you think the return for Sabonis is when we are a bottom 7 team after the season? Teams won’t be lining up to trade for a non defensive center who can’t shoot same way Derozan didn’t get value this year when you had people on here saying we’d get a first for him pure comedy.

You have to recognize that Joshy has a really extremely low valuation of Sabonis. Domas is under control for three years at an average of $45.5M per year, and he's a top-10 player in the league in all the basic advanced stats over the last three years. Only Jokic is better as a C. Domas is worth (no pun intended) a king's ransom if we trade him, but realistically, we should be building around him.

He’s nowhere close to a top 10 player this is absurd

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

Funnily enough, I think we have a lot of the right archetype of player to make a Domas-centric team successful (Carter/Keon/Nique/Keegan). LaVine in theory should play off him perfectly offensively.

I just have no confidence we'll play the rotations correctly to fully maximize what Domas can do on the floor

I'd say Domas is already being maximized for what he can do; the harder question is minimizing what he can't do.

 

[admira1]

Monk is a throw in apparently he has no value.. the FO thinks Kuminga has star potential and IW is a very good young player what do you think the return for Sabonis is when we are a bottom 7 team after the season? Teams won’t be lining up to trade for a non defensive center who can’t shoot same way Derozan didn’t get value this year when you had people on here saying we’d get a first for him pure comedy.




He’s nowhere close to a top 10 player this is absurd

Monk is a throw in apparently he has no value.. the FO thinks Kuminga has star potential and IW is a very good young player what do you think the return for Sabonis is when we are a bottom 7 team after the season? Teams won’t be lining up to trade for a non defensive center who can’t shoot same way Derozan didn’t get value this year when you had people on here saying we’d get a first for him pure comedy.




He’s nowhere close to a top 10 player this is absurd

So, let's use our reading glasses and look back, said he was top 10 in all the advanced stats. But also, since being on the Kings, he's been top 10 in MVP voting twice, and All-NBA 3rd team twice. That puts him, at minimum, top 15 on paper. You don't have to like the guy but be at least a LITTLE realistic about him in your evaluation.

Also, it very clearly does not matter what I think the return will be. But as I stated, what you listed isn't enough at this point for me and my feelings.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

He’s nowhere close to a top 10 player this is absurd

Stats are like hips

 

[hrdboild]

So, let's use our reading glasses and look back, said he was top 10 in all the advanced stats. But also, since being on the Kings, he's been top 10 in MVP voting twice, and All-NBA 3rd team twice. That puts him, at minimum, top 15 on paper. You don't have to like the guy but be at least a LITTLE realistic about him in your evaluation.

Also, it very clearly does not matter what I think the return will be. But as I stated, what you listed isn't enough at this point for me and my feelings.

Regardless of how we want to rank him, there ought to be a market out there for a 29 year old center who has been voted Third Team All-NBA in 2 of the last three seasons and has led the NBA in rebounding 3 years in a row. He's also the closest anyone is likely going to get to adding a facilitating big man like Jokic, who is himself obviously not going to be made available for trade by Denver. But something we have to keep in mind is that Sabonis is only under contract for 3 more seasons including this one. The longer we wait to trade him the lower his value gets as he's going to be that much closer to being an Unrestricted Free Agent. Acquiring his Bird Rights should matter but the shorter his years of remaining team control get, the smaller the hypothetical return is going to be.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

So, let's use our reading glasses and look back, said he was top 10 in all the advanced stats. But also, since being on the Kings, he's been top 10 in MVP voting twice, and All-NBA 3rd team twice. That puts him, at minimum, top 15 on paper. You don't have to like the guy but be at least a LITTLE realistic about him in your evaluation.

Also, it very clearly does not matter what I think the return will be. But as I stated, what you listed isn't enough at this point for me and my feelings.

The comment was hes a top 10 player he’s not theses players are clearly better than him.. I’d probably take harden over Sabonis as well harden ball gets you in the playoffs not fighting to get smacked by 40 in the playoffs-in game

Jokis
Giannis
Luka
SGA
Edwards
Wemby
Tatum
Cunningham
Steph
Lebron
Brunson
Davis
Mitchell
Haliburton

 

[admira1]

The comment was hes a top 10 player he’s not theses players are clearly better than him.. I’d probably take harden over Sabonis as well harden ball gets you in the playoffs not fighting to get smacked by 40 in the playoffs-in game

Jokis
Giannis
Luka
SGA
Edwards
Wemby
Tatum
Cunningham
Steph
Lebron
Brunson
Davis
Mitchell
Haliburton

No. It wasn't. the comment was "he's a top-10 player in the league in all the basic advanced stats over the last three years" but ok.... you called it absurd but then list out only 4 other players, maybe 5 and make him top 15/16 on your list. You're not making the point you think you are here.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

I've never heard of the category of "basic advanced stats" before. It sounds somewhat ridiculous, but I guess it allows us to exclude BLK%?