[Grades] Grades v. Thunder 4/11/11

Bricklayer

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Okay, #1 -- DeMarcus just pantsed Kendrick Perkins. Just took him to the cleaners.

#2 -- the refs were beyond miserable, and 100% incontrovertibly costs us at least 2 baskets by flat out being blind and not spotting obvious goaltends.

#3 -- we were again young and dumb, and have to cling to the hope that like most of the young, we grow out of it and quit screwing up as we enter our NBA adulthood

I know what I am doing after Wednesday's game, win, lose, or blowout, so tonight I am going to go wiht something I was going to do on Friday until I got swamped -- The Tsunami

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Garcia ( C+ ) -- leaked out for a fastbreak layup early, but quickly in foul trouble against Durant and having no effect whatsoever on defense against the much bigger, and slightly better, player. Returned to the game late in the half and canned a three off a Beno drive and kick. Added another pair of long bombs in the early 4th as the Thunder were trying to put us away, and his ole as designated 3pt shooter was that much more important this time out because nobody else could hit anything from out there. Sans Tyreke, and the rest of the team except Cisco shoots 1-15 from 3pt land. Nifty. Gets remembered in infamy in this one for an amazingly boneheaded play down the stretch -- and that is the amazing thing wiht our late issues, its not just the kids -- as he just completely blew a 2 on 1 break at the 1:30 mark with us down 5. Just refused to pas the ball to Thornton, missed the layup, and then we fouled them to stop the break the other way. That one play was the differecne between us having it down to a 3pt lead with 1:30 to go, and it going back to a 7pt lead. Duh.
2011 Japan -- This of course was the initial inspiration for this thread amonth ago, but I wasn't going to dance on graves, and my initial idea of "no matter how big a disaster the Kings leaving may seem, this will put it in perspective" seemed trite. Of the many amazing videos of this disaster, I think this one might be the most stunning. Always thought tsunamis and tornados were the two scariest natural disasters as a kid, but of course when I was 8 my idea of a tsunami was formed from bad movies where it was like a giant 100 foot tall wave. Once I got older and realized that it was closer to the sea just rising up and eating you, I'm not sure that is not worse. Watch, btw, for a guy on a building top at the :40 second mark. He's trapped as the waters rapidly rise. When the camera pans back in that direction at the 2:30 mark that building is gone. There's a very good chance this video caprtured the last seconds of his life.

Cousins ( A- ) -- Most impressive, young jedi. Just dominated Kendrick Perkins all night long. This is the same Kendrick Perkins who is considered such a defensive lynchpin that not only do people point o his absence as a reason why Boston did not win it all last year, they point to it as the reason Boston has fallen on hard times, and the Thunder have surged down the stretch of this year. He's strong, and tough, and mean, and he has bad breath, and DeMarcus just abused him. Came right out and smoothly stroked a long jumper. Got his hands on a number of balls on defense. Able to go power on power against Perkins and get to the line again and again with some inspired banging inside (and he hit his FTs at a tremendous 18-21 rate too). And when not getting to the line, scored over Perkins inside and out. Some inspired baning inside, but not always able to finish in the 3rd. At the 2:15 mark just came down against Perkins and went over him for the +1 to get us back within 5. If there was a downside to all the offensive activity it would just be that it turned DeMarcus into a shooter rather than a passer, but when you are being as productive as DeMarcus was, nothing wrong with that. And even though we lost, at the end of game came up and hugged Donte from behind after the tough battle -- nice change given that a couple of months ago Donte would have been flinching and trying to cover up if DeMarcus came up behind him after a game.
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Atlantis -- Did you know they think they've found Atlantis? And not in the I want to sell my book about space aliens building the pyramids fashion either -- they think they have actually located the city that inspired the legend buried beneath the marshlands of Dona Ana Park north of Cadiz, Spain. Which would put it pretty close to where Plato always claimed it was near Gibraltar (about 50 miles up the coast). Adn if it is, the legend begins to make sense. Because what killed this city, sitting on a little coastal island they think, was not an act of the gods or mad science experiment, but a giant tsunami that swept inland, drowned the city, and buried it under the silt. And Plato's claim that the city sank beneath the waves in a single day suddenly begins to make sense.

Dalembert ( B- ) -- far from a briliant game, but held his own and then some against his peers in the rebound/defend big man club which comprise OKCs starting frontline (in case anybody had missed it, OKC is stronger than ever, and has reduced thigs to a simple system -- Durant, Westbrook, and three defensive specilists (Ibaka, Perkins, Sefalosha). We used him a little as a passer early, which was good to see as we seem to have forgotten about that a little since Reke got back. Tough grinding work inside late in the thrid, and as a result got to the line and knocked them down.
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1755 Lisbon -- Of course what makes Atlantis possibly getting smashed by a tsunami more likely is that we've seen it happen in that region of the world in the centuries afterward. In 1755 one of the world's most famous earthquake/tsunami events took place on All Saints Day (Nov 1) off the coast of Portugal. The quake itself was estimated at an 8.5 to 9.0, and the devastation to Lisbon, which was one of Europe's richest and most beautiful cities at the time, was immense. Then the tsunami came, reaching as high as 90 ft in places, fortresses were literally ripped fom the cliffs, and 60,000 people died. It also raced across the sea to smash into Morocco as a 60ft tall wave, and 10foot tall tsunamis hit southern England and Ireland. That event btw is often credited with beginning the modern sciene of seismology as study of the widespread damage across all of Europe for the first time led to some understanding of what had jsut taken place.

Thornton ( B- ) -- fesity and you could see he wanted to compete. Unfortunately what he could not do was shoot, and he caught the late game let's make an epic foulup disease form one of his teammates. Got a steal on one end and raced out fullcourt outrunning two Thunder and drawing the foul, but only had a single hit in the early going again. Stepped out and knocked down several long jumpers near the end of the half, but otherwise it was almsot all down in the paint stuff again, where he showed himself tough and willig as ever to gon in amongst the trees. Nice job getting the ball to Donte on the break as a reward for stopping Durant. Hit some big shots after the refs really started jobbing us in the mid-3rd. Don't make Marcus mad. But int he 4th the emotion worked against him -- really wanted to win, but too much one on one hero stuff, and of course what goes along with that is "that didn't fall". he does the same thing and they are falling then we are all wow. As it was however... Mixed bag down the stretch this time. Came up with a steal to trigger the break...but Cisco blew it. Fumbled a great Cousins pass inside and lost the opportunity. Banked in a three unintentionally. And then made just a terrible pass snatching defeat from victory, as even after Cisco's flub we wer still hangin around, got another steal, 3 Kings ran down court wiht only 1 Thunder defender, and Marcus softly lobs the lead pass to...the one Thunder defender. Duh.
2004 Indonesia -- and of course the 2011 Japanese disaster was not the first mega tsunami we have seen and talked about right on this board. As technology expands this disaster which used to be more legend than real to most people (one of the eerie thins about many of the 2004 vids were the sounds of people laughing and gigling at what they first took to just be a fun rogue wave), is now right on your computer screen.
 
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Udrih ( B+ ) -- strong all aroudn game from Beno, and yes, while he did get lit up when he guarded Westbrook, we avoided that matchup when we could and this was mostly a game where he helped with his offense, and the D did not pull it back down the other way. Had a beautiful ball fake and drive early in this one, and played a nice all around first quarter, including getting on the defenive glass. When he returned late in the second Westbrook greeted him with a buttkicking on both ends, but Beno settled back in and came up with several very nice drive and kicks. Hustled with Marcus ip top to close the half, and came up with the steal off Westbrook and the layin. Despite a good overall offensive game, could not hit his threes anymore than anybody else could. Note that he and Thronton really went after th ball on defense and got dredited for TEN steals between them. Broke the 20pt barrier late with a nice +1 with the game virtually over at the 30 second mark, to cut the lead back to 6.
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1960 Hawaii -- Hawaii is a volcanic island chain, and so has plenty of earthquakes of its own to provide tsunamis. But many of the largest ones in its recorded history have been gifts from afar, as it also sits right in the middle of the Pacific within striking range of waves from all directions. There's a beach on the backside of the Big Island where an even larger tsunami hit in '46. But the one in '60, spawned by a massive 8.5 quake off the coast of Chile (and only us yanks would see this as a Hawaiian disaster), was made worse in Hawaii by the dynamics of Hilo Bay, which served to funnel the distant wave into a towering 35 foot killer that washed away the entire heart of the town at the time.


Bench

Greene ( C+ ) -- anemic numbers, but performed considerably better than his stats against one of the league's best. In for Cisco early, and immediately challenged Durant with his length. Missed a three on one end, but made a great play back the other way swiping the pass on the break with one hand and sending us the other way. Ton of energy, but not able to get that much done offenively. SHowed good patience as he used an escape dribble, moved closer, and went glass for jumper. Didn't lock Durant up, but also did not make it easy, and forced sevral turnovers. In fact may have had more problems with Harden in the early 4th than Durant.
This would be unfortunate.

Thompson ( B ) -- came in and didn't really do any big man things, but did a nice job moving the ball in the early going, then hit a long jumper to start the 2nd, and followed it with a runner in the post. Efficient and impersonating a competent offensive player again. As good as he was on offense, again was giving us no boardwork in the first half. Got absolutely robbed by a flat out blown call in the third, when his layup on the break was swatted out of there, from INSIDE THE HOOP. Ibaka reached right through the middle of the cylinder. And it wasn't called.
And this one really happened -- wholeside of a mountain slid down into a bay, and the resulting wave tore the surrounding cliffs clean to a height of 1600 ft. These two survivors have a memory of maybe the most awesome natural display anybody living has seen.

Jeter ( C- ) -- trying to push the pace of the game, but against Westbrook who of course is better at it. Missing his shots. Really went up for a board late in the 3rd. Looked like he was pressing, but whether it was pressing becaus ehe hasn't played and is a FA, or pressing because Westphal told him to try to quicken the pace I do not know.
 
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I hope this Tsunami gets some mention!
 
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I didn't watch this one but based on the boxscore, this was a FT game. 42 for Sac and 38 for OKC and they had more TO's than we did. It just seems that we couldn't guard them what so ever if their shooting 57% for the game. Ouch! None the less, great effort, Tyreke should sit out Wednesday and start working on his game BIG time in the offseason if he wants to help this team get to where we want to get. It took Cousins 81 games to get his career high but he finally got it! Great to see him get a bunch of calls, 20 FT's is crazy it's like fouling Dwight out there.
 
You know it really hurts me to say this, but I really honestly feel after this many games that our team just plays harder and with better flow when Tyreke isn't playing. I really really hope that Tyreke can learn to play with the other guys more effectively, because if he doesn't it'll be such a waste of very very fine talent.

First off, big props to Beno and Cousins. I think the two of them are going to play very integral parts in ensuring that our team develops the right way, in terms of encouraging everyone to move the ball and run plays instead of going to iso ball so much. If Donte can get his jumpshot down he's going to fit in very well for us for many seasons. He played good D in the first half, but got caught in a lot of screens in the second and Durant is after all, the leading scorer in the league.

The team is still very young and it shows, too often for my liking at times. Screwing up fast breaks, making dumb fouls, taking tough put backs instead of cleanly rebounding the ball and resetting. At least the free throw shooting was phenomenal in this game. Both Thornton and Tyreke need to stop trying to dribble through double teams so often, especially when we clear the floor for them. Why? Because once the ball is stolen, everyone is a good 3 steps behind and it usually results in a dunk the other way (unless they pull a James Harden). It's a bad habit that I hope is pointed out to them.
 
I'm not sure what you're seeing here, but I saw a same continuation of the ball movement that has existed for pretty much most of this last month, with or without Evans. As for the team playing harder, I think it's kind of obviously because they have to since he's (Evans) not out there. Everyone has to step up their game. It's nice, because it shows what they're capable of, and it makes them that much stronger when Evans is out there.

Brick had the stats up earlier that show ball movement also increased upon Evans' return.

How many points did Durant/Westbrook have? 62. 60-flippin-2. They scored 120, above the average (even above the average w/o Evans.) The Thunder have scored 126 and 120 vs. us w/o Evans, and 99 & 92 with Evans. He powers our defense, even if some don't like the tempo it creates for our offense.

The really nice thing here is Cousins having a monster of a game against a pretty good front line. We do well when Cousins is involved in the offense. Strong post play > strong guard play. 9 times out of 10.
 
We do well when the refs make the calls in favor of Cousins and not against him. A lot of hammering goes on in the paint so who gets the calls? Cuz makes obvious dumb fouls but a lot of the time it is so subjective. In any case, if they swallow their whistle, we come out fine. If they call in favor of Cousins, we come out fine. He's a monster. Could anyone believe that the totally immature player we saw at the beginning of the year is the same guy on the court last night? When does he stop improving? Does this concept of the peak being in the late 20's hold true for a guy who is a top three (am I right or just a fan?) in the NBA?

This fan gets a bit "parental" (not sure how to put it) and I think most of us have that in us to a certain extent. It is fun watching Cuz grow up.

I had two thoughts last night that maybe aren't earth shattering but first of all, this kid can put on muscle. Then what? Also, I'm beginning to see some on court leadership if only by his play. I think the guys like him. As improbable as it may seem, he could be a team leader as he evolves. Certainly more so than Reke and I am not complaining about Reke. He's just acts unemotional and that's a different style.
 
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You know it really hurts me to say this, but I really honestly feel after this many games that our team just plays harder and with better flow when Tyreke isn't playing. I really really hope that Tyreke can learn to play with the other guys more effectively, because if he doesn't it'll be such a waste of very very fine talent.

First off, big props to Beno and Cousins. I think the two of them are going to play very integral parts in ensuring that our team develops the right way, in terms of encouraging everyone to move the ball and run plays instead of going to iso ball so much. If Donte can get his jumpshot down he's going to fit in very well for us for many seasons. He played good D in the first half, but got caught in a lot of screens in the second and Durant is after all, the leading scorer in the league.

The team is still very young and it shows, too often for my liking at times. Screwing up fast breaks, making dumb fouls, taking tough put backs instead of cleanly rebounding the ball and resetting. At least the free throw shooting was phenomenal in this game. Both Thornton and Tyreke need to stop trying to dribble through double teams so often, especially when we clear the floor for them. Why? Because once the ball is stolen, everyone is a good 3 steps behind and it usually results in a dunk the other way (unless they pull a James Harden). It's a bad habit that I hope is pointed out to them.

I don't know about playing harder, but the team appears to move the ball better without Tyreke. That doesn't mean that the team is better without him. Far from it. His defense alone makes this team better. But it's tough to have offensive cohesion when one of your guards is a poor outside shooter.

Look at the consequences of Tyreke's poor outside shooting. He can't run a fast break properly. Why? Because he can't do the simple thing and pull up at the free throw line for the simple jump shot. That's basketball 101. So, what does he do? He forces himself to the basket even though the defense is playing him for exactly that. Then when it comes to the set offense, because he's very sporadic with his outside shooting, he is forced to rely upon the spectacular drive. But spectacular drives are not percentage plays. (Boring wins games; spectacular doesn't. See San Antonio if you have any questions about that.) Also, because the opposing team plays him for the drive, he diminishes the floor space for his teamates so that they have a tougher time driving to the basket. To me, if you look at just one factor on this team that will determine whether it is pretty good versus very good, it's going to be Tyreke's outside jump shot. If he gets that down, then this team can legitimately compete with OKC. If not, they can't.
 
Glenn;821207 I had two thoughts last night that maybe aren't earth shattering but first of all said:
Certainly more so than Reke and I am not complaining about Reke. He's just acts unemotional and that's a different style.

Please don't apologize for criticising Tyreke. Besides all the praise he deserves, he definitely needs some criticism in the area you identified and in other ball handling, offensive flow issues.

I don't think there is any doubt that the offensive flow that developed when Tyreke was out was improved. Tyreke was pretty good in the first games back after his injury but has slipped back since then. He has his way of playing and it will be hard for him to change. Deliberately working on passing and moves that allow him to set others up with secure passes is an off season activity that I hope he practices. I'm hoping there are coaches on the team who have his ear and will give him such advice. I hope the aura of "rookie-of-the-year hood" doesn't hinder the advice he gets and how he heeds it. I'm rooting like hell for Tyreke's improvement.
 
We do well when the refs make the calls in favor of Cousins and not against him. A lot of hammering goes on in the paint so who gets the calls? Cuz makes obvious dumb fouls but a lot of the time it is so subjective. In any case, if they swallow their whistle, we come out fine. If they call in favor of Cousins, we come out fine. He's a monster. Could anyone believe that the totally immature player we saw at the beginning of the year is the same guy on the court last night? When does he stop improving? Does this concept of the peak being in the late 20's hold true for a guy who is a top three (am I right or just a fan?) in the NBA?

This fan gets a bit "parental" (not sure how to put it) and I think most of us have that in us to a certain extent. It is fun watching Cuz grow up.

I had two thoughts last night that maybe aren't earth shattering but first of all, this kid can put on muscle. Then what? Also, I'm beginning to see some on court leadership if only by his play. I think the guys like him. As improbable as it may seem, he could be a team leader as he evolves. Certainly more so than Reke and I am not complaining about Reke. He's just acts unemotional and that's a different style.

I was having that exact conversation about Cuz putting on more muscle in the offseason. I think many of his turnover are directly caused by lacking the upper body strength to handle having guys slapping at the ball when he is in the lane. You can see that he could definitely lose some fat + put on some muscle. He also should improve his conditioning, his play falls off noticeably when he gets tired. I really think that his mind is telling him to do things that his body is not capable of yet. If those two get in sync, look out.

If he is willing to put in the work, he will be able to physically dominate every player in the league.
 
I didn't watch this one but based on the boxscore, this was a FT game. 42 for Sac and 38 for OKC and they had more TO's than we did. It just seems that we couldn't guard them what so ever if their shooting 57% for the game. Ouch! None the less, great effort, Tyreke should sit out Wednesday and start working on his game BIG time in the offseason if he wants to help this team get to where we want to get. It took Cousins 81 games to get his career high but he finally got it! Great to see him get a bunch of calls, 20 FT's is crazy it's like fouling Dwight out there.

Actually, he already had a career high. Its just that he beat it with a new career high. And whenever he manages to score 31 points, he'll have another new career high. Almost like magic!
 
Actually, he already had a career high. Its just that he beat it with a new career high. And whenever he manages to score 31 points, he'll have another new career high. Almost like magic!

I didn't want to go there...but since you're already there:

DeMarcus had a career high his first game in the league! ;)
 
As much as we want to complain about the refs...they gave Cousins a bunch of gift fouls. I can't stand it when Demarcus forces the ball inside and does his 1 on 1 spinning post moves. 75% of the time it results in a miss, turnover or no call. We've been feeding him to go 1 on 1 all year and its just not his strength right now. Anytime I see him hold the ball at the top of the key and start his 1 on 1 moves, I just zone out because I know the ball is going the other way and we aren't putting 2 points on the board. We'd have better percentages if we just jacked up 3's instead of letting him do that. But as I said...tonight the refs were on his side for maybe the 2nd or 3rd time this year.

The ball moved even better when Tyreke first came back from his injury. Then he went back to his old style of play without the passing and we started losing again. I don't know why he doesn't move without the ball but he just doesn't. For as athletic as he is, he should be running the baseline and getting fed easy looks from Beno and Thorton. Instead he just camps outside where he either has to jack up and ill advised shot, or drive through 4 defenders when we give him the ball with a few seconds left on the clock.
 
We do well when the refs make the calls in favor of Cousins and not against him. A lot of hammering goes on in the paint so who gets the calls? Cuz makes obvious dumb fouls but a lot of the time it is so subjective. In any case, if they swallow their whistle, we come out fine. If they call in favor of Cousins, we come out fine. He's a monster. Could anyone believe that the totally immature player we saw at the beginning of the year is the same guy on the court last night? When does he stop improving? Does this concept of the peak being in the late 20's hold true for a guy who is a top three (am I right or just a fan?) in the NBA?

This fan gets a bit "parental" (not sure how to put it) and I think most of us have that in us to a certain extent. It is fun watching Cuz grow up.

I had two thoughts last night that maybe aren't earth shattering but first of all, this kid can put on muscle. Then what? Also, I'm beginning to see some on court leadership if only by his play. I think the guys like him. As improbable as it may seem, he could be a team leader as he evolves. Certainly more so than Reke and I am not complaining about Reke. He's just acts unemotional and that's a different style.

I use the golf analogy when it comes to players like Cousins. When you learn the game of golf all your doing when you start is developing your skill level. If you work hard, you can go from a hacker to a 12 to 14 handicap golfer in a few years. From that point on, its just refining your skills, and elliminating your mistakes. Thats where Cousins is. He's at the, refining his skills and elliminating his mistakes level. Most players that come into the league at his age don't have the skills he has. There's just not a lot he can't do. Some people are just gifted, and he's one of those people.

So now its just a matter of getting stronger, and in better shape. Working on his post game. Going to the great Pete Newells big man camp this summer would help. He's had a stellar rookie year, and if not for Griffin, he'd likely be the top choice for ROY. A nice prize, but it doesn't win any games for you. He could help himself defensively if he spent the offseason with someone like he went up against last night. I say that, because Perkins is a similar player athleticly. He's about the same size. Very strong, but doesn't have great leaping ability, and is probably less mobile than Cousins. Yet, he's one of the better defensive centers in the NBA. If Cousins can improve on that side of the ball, then your looking at a yearly all star.
 
I'm not sure what you're seeing here, but I saw a same continuation of the ball movement that has existed for pretty much most of this last month, with or without Evans. As for the team playing harder, I think it's kind of obviously because they have to since he's (Evans) not out there. Everyone has to step up their game. It's nice, because it shows what they're capable of, and it makes them that much stronger when Evans is out there.

Brick had the stats up earlier that show ball movement also increased upon Evans' return.

How many points did Durant/Westbrook have? 62. 60-flippin-2. They scored 120, above the average (even above the average w/o Evans.) The Thunder have scored 126 and 120 vs. us w/o Evans, and 99 & 92 with Evans. He powers our defense, even if some don't like the tempo it creates for our offense.

The really nice thing here is Cousins having a monster of a game against a pretty good front line. We do well when Cousins is involved in the offense. Strong post play > strong guard play. 9 times out of 10.

There is some merit to the whole Tyreke team play thing. To me, it just doesnt seem like Tyreke's style of ball encourages the team involvement in the way Beno's or Cousins' does. Thats what makes Cousins so good. He has the individual talent to dominate iso's, but he also has a great knack for finding his teammates. And i think thats what separates him and Reke from a teamplay standpoint. The other players know that when Cousins has the ball, they know he wants to and is wlling to pass, so it encourages them to play off the ball and have movement. Im not saying this never happens with Tyreke, but from what i see with Reke, its more of an individual style of play. Its a "ill do my thing, but when i need help back me up so i can pass it to you" type of style. Its a bit odd, he plays off the ball like a PG by standing around the perimeter waiting for players to pass him the ball, but when he gets the ball, he has the instinctive mentality of a scorer. He does seem to be more of a willing passer since hes come back from his rest, but hes got a ways to go.
 
It's funny, Tyreke was everything you realistically could ask for from the 4th pick, and then DeMarcus comes in as the 5th pick and dwarfs him in comparison.
The emotional baggage has been as expected, but his shooting and passing have been way beyond expectations.
Sure, his turnovers hurt, but who would have known they'd run the offense through him this much this early?

I think we've got to be patient with Tyreke, as he went from the only guy who could do anything to maybe the third guy in less than one season. I don't know if he can adjust, but he has shown it in spurts.
 
It's funny, Tyreke was everything you realistically could ask for from the 4th pick, and then DeMarcus comes in as the 5th pick and dwarfs him in comparison.
The emotional baggage has been as expected, but his shooting and passing have been way beyond expectations.
Sure, his turnovers hurt, but who would have known they'd run the offense through him this much this early?

I think we've got to be patient with Tyreke, as he went from the only guy who could do anything to maybe the third guy in less than one season. I don't know if he can adjust, but he has shown it in spurts.

Lolwut. Reke is still the best player on the team for now and DMC has honestly had nowhere near the rookie season that Reke had, but he has shown he can be a great player down the line.
 
I'd have to agree with your post above ^^^ I too think still Reke is our best player. Teams still try to trap him and double team him and that's with no jumpshot what so ever. He just needs to keep working hard in the offseason so he can jump out and prove to people he's not just a selfish iso player. I hope I'm proven wrong.
 
At the moment, I just hope Reke is healthy next year, or the majority of the year. A lot of our young players need to make sure they arrive at camp in shape already, not like they started out last fall.
 
Since we are talking about Reke, I was watching some highlights of him last year and he seemed to be a lot skinnier last year. Maybe he needs to stop lifting for power and cut down his weight to about 215. He looks like he's pushing 235 right now.
 
Since we are talking about Reke, I was watching some highlights of him last year and he seemed to be a lot skinnier last year. Maybe he needs to stop lifting for power and cut down his weight to about 215. He looks like he's pushing 235 right now.

Weird, because I thought he looked skinnier this year than last, although I made the observation at the beginning of this season.
I haven't really taken notice since his injury, so he may have gained weight since then.
 
Since we are talking about Reke, I was watching some highlights of him last year and he seemed to be a lot skinnier last year. Maybe he needs to stop lifting for power and cut down his weight to about 215. He looks like he's pushing 235 right now.

Have you ever seen Kobe or Wade?

Lifting for power isn't the problem -- power, in particular for a physical driving guard is a core physical trait. But what he may need to do is trim some fat. Of course its easier to do that when you aren't constantly hampered by foot and ankle problems stopping you from doing roadwork etc.
 
Have you ever seen Kobe or Wade?

Lifting for power isn't the problem -- power, in particular for a physical driving guard is a core physical trait. But what he may need to do is trim some fat. Of course its easier to do that when you aren't constantly hampered by foot and ankle problems stopping you from doing roadwork etc.

http://fitnessblackbook.com/fitness-studs/kobe-bryant-loses-20-pounds-for-upcoming-nba-season/

Kobe weighs about 205-210. Dwayne Wade weighs in around 220. This is a pretty interesting article about Kobe's weight loss back in 2007 after he put on alot of weight the year before (muscle weight).
 
http://fitnessblackbook.com/fitness-studs/kobe-bryant-loses-20-pounds-for-upcoming-nba-season/

Kobe weighs about 205-210. Dwayne Wade weighs in around 220. This is a pretty interesting article about Kobe's weight loss back in 2007 after he put on alot of weight the year before (muscle weight).

You mean he put on weight the year he averaged 35.4ppg?

Maybe he should put it back on -- he's been in slow decline ever since.

I'll buy Wade's 220. Then again, he's smaller than Reke. Reke himself entered the leage at 222,a nd I think said he was coming in this year at 228. No idea how the injuries and whatnot have effected all that. But of course this is all odd anyway, because Reke has not had quickness problems or whatever this season. He's had foot problems, shooting problems, and now adjustment problems.
 
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Very interesting comments on Tyreke, best free discussion I've seen on his progress. He's good, very good. He has real shortcomings as the primary ball handler and needs to deal with that. It seems to me that with this second year under the belt for Tyreke and his coaches that some real help and guidance will be shared with him and more readily accepted by him.
 
What's wierd about Reke to me is that when he was injured for the greater part of this year, it still seemed like he could get to the basket just as much but he just couldn't finish at all. It was like against the Warriors a couple nights ago, he was getting to the basket whenever he wanted but wasn't putting it in.
 
You mean he put on weight the year he averaged 35.4ppg?

Maybe he should put it back on -- he's been in slow decline ever since.

I'll buy Wade's 220. Then again, he's smaller than Reke. Reke himself entered the leage at 222,a nd I think said he was coming in this year at 228. No idea how the injuries and whatnot have effected all that. But of course this is all odd anyway, because Reke has not had quickness problems or whatever this season. He's had foot problems, shooting problems, and now adjustment problems.

Do you think he had foot problems because he was a little heavier? I don't think he regressed much from last year. The problem is, he isn't much better than he was last year, so most of us are a little disappointed.

BTW, I COMPLETELY forgot that Kobe dropped 35.4 on the league in 05-06.
 
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What's wierd about Reke to me is that when he was injured for the greater part of this year, it still seemed like he could get to the basket just as much but he just couldn't finish at all. It was like against the Warriors a couple nights ago, he was getting to the basket whenever he wanted but wasn't putting it in.

He may put stress on different parts on the foot when jumping and when taking the first burst step. Maybe it was less comfortable when he jumped...

Another thing is, does anyone know how big Tyreke's hands are? I have a feeling that they're pretty small, but I may be wrong. I say this because I notice his dunks just look different from when Wade/Kobe/any other athletic guard dunk. It's like the way he cups the ball just looks ... strange. I'm wondering if this may have also been contributing to his inability to finish at the rim.
 
Do you think he had foot problems because he was a little heavier? I don't think he regressed much from last year. The problem is, he isn't much better than he was last year, so most of us are a little disappointed.

There are a whole lot of people on this forum who have had the same foot problems. If you put stress on your foot, you are vulnerable. Weight certainly can have something to do with it as it adds more stress. I'm not sure any weight fluctuation would make any difference with Reke as I don't see a big change in weight. The tragedy (hate to use that word) is that his kind of game, the thing he is best at, requires feet and ankles that feel good.

In my view there definitely is a significant difference in his blast to the basket when he is hurting and when he is not. Reke isn't Reke when that last lift off step is the most painful step. He seems to be missing more than last year and it varies from game to game. If that last lift off step is accompanied by a stab of pain, I get it. I wake up with the smallest of small pain in my heal and it goes away quickly. When that pain is there, I keep my heal off the floor. Many players have this problem but not many depend on painless feet like Tyreke.

I don't think his latest problem is related at all but although I would like to think this medically questionable treatment he had on his feet cured him, I doubt it. It might have helped. The time honored treatment of rest and whatever else was involved was going on at the same time.
 
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