[Grades] Grades v. Suns 4/3/12

Which Kings "big" had the best game?

  • DeMarcus Cousins

    Votes: 49 86.0%
  • Jason Thompson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chuck Hayes

    Votes: 6 10.5%
  • Hassan Whiteside

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Donte Greene

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Travis Outlaw

    Votes: 2 3.5%

  • Total voters
    57
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1

Ok, so the last 2 were kinda cheap. Nonetheless:

41pts (16-25FG 9-14FT) 12reb 2ast 2stl 1blk 2TO Age: 21

Here is the list of guys as young as Cuz who have gone at least 41-12:
Shaquille O'Neal x3
Blake Griffin x2
Kevin Durant x2
LeBron James x2
Andrew Bynum x1
Elton Brand x1
Antoine Walker x1 (!)
DeMarcus Cousins x1

There are no non-All Stars on that list.

Anwyay as for the rest of the game, IT played really well. Tyreke did not, and with Thornton already out, minus Thornton and minus Reke together isn't going to give us a chance to win because, wait for it...of the DEFENSE!!!! When every team you face scores 109pts on you, you, well first are pathetic, but 2nd, you simply can. Not. Win. Cannot unless all your offensive cylinders are firing at once. Boogie Monster or not we will be bad each and every season until we do something about the "other" side of the ball. You know the "defense wins championships" side?

P.S. while Reke was bad, consider too this: every Kings "big" or pseudo big other than DeMarcus tonight: JT, Donte, Hayes, Outlaw, Whiteside, combined to score 10pts on 4-23 shootiing in 87 combined minutes. Cuz was truly out there alone.

We'll do a theme since we have the day off. Think for a theme I'm goign to clean up a variety of little notes I have in my theme file that we can call Where Science Meets SciFi

Boxscore

Greene ( D ) -- well we finally got a Donte start at SF, albeit for matchups as much as anything (we have played scared of Channing bleeping Frye all year, and Donte is the perfect foil for him), and Donte largely laid an egg and imperiled his chances of getting another. I say largely laid an egg -- if you look at the statistics alone he looks like he performed at an F level. He largely just stayed out of the way, notched 0pts 0ast 1reb, and quickly got in foul trouble which severely limited his minutes. But behind the numbers it was a little better than that. He gave us effort on defense, and he largely did his job -- Frye did not hurt us during his minutes, and he gave us excellent size along the backline when Thompson or Cousisn would have to run at a shooter we still had 2 6'10"+ guys back there along the baseline. But that was about all that could be said. Picked up his 3rd foul before the end of the first quarter, sat out the 2nd quarter, and picked up his 4th foul soon after halftime -- was a good one at least smushing Dudley on the break and giving him no chance to finsih the play. Nonetheless, that was it for him. If Donte's history is any guide, he won't be in the starting lineup come Thursday.

Titanoboa -- a few weeks back this giant snake appeared in Grand Central Station, and I went down to check it out. Hard to get close as it was a big media hoopla event, but still impressive. You see, a couple years back down in a coal mine in South America they found this enormous vertebrae. And initially they thought it was some new species of dinosaur, except that it was found in rocks AFTER the great dinosaur extinction event. It was then that they realized the vertebrae they found weren't from a dinosaur...they were from a titanic snake, the largest ever discovered. 50 feet long, 3 feet thick...you know the movie Anaconda (or all the abysmally bad Scifi channel ripoffs of it)? Well turns out if you had had the misfortune of being around 50 million years ago you could have met something like that for real. The snake model has since been moved to The Smithsonian in D.C. btw.

Thompson ( D ) -- just a flat out bad game, and a totally different guy than we saw a week ago. Was active in the early going, and tipping a lot of rebounds when he couldn't get them. But he had Gortat a lot of the time, and racked up fouls as Gortat was moving well without the ball and JT was often caught trailing. Could not get anything going offensively again, and quickly got his 4th foul in the early 3rd for no reason at all. Didn't really give Smart any reason to keep on playing him, although the option, playing some 6'6" groundbound guy at the position instead may have been even worse.
Invisibility Cloaks -- aren't just for Harry Potter anymore. Started seeing stories pop up a couple of years ago that they had actually figured out how to make somethign invisible, truly invisible, to the eye..or even to radar. And then last summer this video came out showing that they could already do it in a lab. One day when these things begin to become available, the potential for mischief with this is endless.

Cousins ( A+ ) -- Time for a brief stat break:
Cousins Post All Star: 31.9min 21.0pts (.467 .727) 10.7reb 2.6ast 1.6stl 1.4blk
Cousins Last 10 gms: 33.5min 24.7pts (.482 .701) 11.2reb 2.6ast 1.8stl 1.5blk
Conclusion: Boogie is a Beast.
Was strong from the start of this one and the only guy who even slowed him was his coach -- had 10 quick early points rolling over Gortat (was also taking a lot of jumpers, only some of which were going in) and carrying a sluggish squad, and then for the second game in a row was not amused by Smart taking him out while he was hot with 4 minutes to go in the 1st -- Smart didn;t lok happy either as the two passed each other. That is something that bears some watching -- not sure if Smart is doing that as some attemtp to nromalize roations or not, but the "we don't have any stars" line doesn't work when you actually have one. Cousins is well on his way to major stardom and he's going to demand to be treated like one sooner rather than later. In any case, I would imagine that all is forgiven givne Cuz's 41pt 12reb night...unless of course Cuz figures maybe we could ahve pulled this one out if he had jsut been allowed to do his thing for a little longer. Returned in the mid second after a dismal stint by the bench, and immediately got back to work with a +1 finsih off his own missed jumper (missed the FT) and a steal and breakout dunk. Just flat our muscled the Suns frontline, burrowing inside and snatching a one handed offense rebound to get fouled. Spent a lot of time at the line as the game went along as the Suns simply had nobody who could deal with him, despite having a couple of defensive specialist bigs in Gortat and Lopez, and they started swarming him and hacking him at every occasion. Cuz probably should ahve kicked the ball on a few of those possessions -- if you've got two guys doubling you on the catch, somebody is open. But then again, nobody but Isaiah was consitently hitting anything, so maybe not. 41 was a little cheap as we called a timeout apparently just to get him the hoop to make it 41 instead of 39. But still a monstrous monstrous game.
Rat Cyborgs -- proof that scientists don't watch enough scifi, the video above is from the early stages of this project. Basically they get petrie dishes and they spray down layers of 100,000 rat neurons, and then they connect them wirelessly to robots. And the neurons spontaneously begin to form connections with each other. And they begin to learn and grow more complex, learn hwo to guide their robots aroudn obstacles etc. Future possible uses of such technology includes military drones. Skynet is coming, and its hungry for cheese.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Evans ( D ) -- from a truly great game right to a a flat out bad one, with no stops in between. What happened in htis one really wasn't that hard to see. Got the start at SG and came out aggressive and looking to continue what he had going last game. But the Suns sagged back and were waiting for him around the rim, and something seemed just a little off with both his handle and his finishing -- in fact had the perfect setup going into half, beat the defense to the rim...adn somehwo lost his balance and ended up throwing somethign wild off the glass. Meanwhile Cousins began heating up, and aside from a brief burst getting out inthe running game in the mid 2nd, Reke never did. Stymied insde, he went through a brief period of throwing up jumeprs as per his coach's instructions (the Arco crowd apparently does not agree with the coach as the muttering on every missed jumper indicates). But when that too did not work, he simply faded away, and after returning in the 4th was operating almsot purely as a roleplayer as Boogie an IT took all the shots. The elements of the all around game were still there -- had several strong rebounds, and after he gave up on the offense in particular he was one of our three ball movers on the night. And on the other side of the ball was generally ok, competed against Nash when he had him, but did not always slow him. Was never disruptive, and never had that stretch where he and TWill combined to create havoc. Just never an impact player at all, and with our defense givng up another 109pts, we couldn't afford that.
Taranis Drone -- and while we are piecing together what Skynet is going to look like in real life, here is another scientists are really dumb and are going to get us all killed moment: the cutting edge in drone technology. No more of this pseduo drone crap with people sitting in a trailer somehwere having to control the thing. This drone is fully controlled by its own A.I., which they are hoping will allow it to basically fly out somewhere by itself, avoid enemies by itself, gather information by itself, and...well they say humans will have to decide when to go weapons hot, but you know, you just KNOW, there is going to be a war sometime and some bright guy somewhere is going to get the genius idea to give the A.I. the ability to attack on its own. That's about the time you should all head to the sewers ASAP.

Thomas ( A- ) -- was really the only guy other than TWill who provided any help for DeMarcus tonight. Nash of course is not exactly know for his defense, but IT was hot as well with his shooting form outside. Got off to a pretty good start, and surged with three buckets late in the half, capped by a three on the kick from TWill. Was struggling from the line for a bit, as he has had several strange blips of late where he doesn't jsut miss 1, he misses the pair. Early on we had him matched on Shannon Brown, and he handled that nicely -- good matchup for him as a smallish guard who likes to go to the hoop with his athleticism. After half was mostly on Nash and that didn't go as well as Nash began to get wherever he wanted to go. But the other way the same could be said of IT, as he heated up offensively, threw a beautiful fullcourt pass to a leaking out Reke, and was doing a nice job of feeding and setting up Boogie inside. Had one rough patch where could see him starting to get overexcited and playgroundy as Nash starting lighting him up, and was doing the go back atcha thing, but perhaps fortunately Nash went out about that time and Sebastian Telfair came in. Made a couple of msitakes during the stretch run fouling people, the worst of which was at the 3:30 mark fouling Gortat on a jumper taken right at the shotclock buzzer -- majro bailout of the sort we seem to be specilaizing in during stretch runs of late. Nonetheless, that certainly didn't lose it for us, as we were never really able to get over the hump and truly threaten. Isaih did his part though with 25pts and 7ast.

Japan's Tsunami Troubles -- in the wake of the deadly tsunami last year, Japanese scientists went back and revisited some predictions they had put together in 2003 and came to this faily shocking conclusion: the tsunami last year was in the North, but an earthquake of magnitude 9.0 along the Nakai trough which runs offshore to the south and east could be far worse. Last year's tsunami hit 45 feet. A massive wall of water. A quake in the Nakai trough? Revised estimates are that it could hit 112 feet. That's something straight from the movies, and its almost impossible to prepare for in any way except run up the mountain very fast, and pray desperately to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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Bench

Whiteside ( B- ) -- pretty decent just buying us a few minutes here and there until Boogie could come back and smash people again. Started off getting smushed repeatedly down on one end, but raced back the other way to chase down Nash and block the shot from behind. Got a dunk on the break from Twill, and got a strip inside as well. Did pick up a ridiclous goaltending call with the ball almost on the rim before he went up for it, but I thought overall he did fine out there. Lack of offense was a problem with some of the lineups he was with, but that is a rotation problem as much as anything. Arguably played better than any other big except Cuz.
Cameron Explores Mariana Trench -- at the other end of ocean science, James Cameron (yes that James Cameron) apparently did something remarkable inbetween making overbloatied blockbusters. He designed and built a deep sea mini-sub. Maybe THE deep sea minisub, because he then took it down to the single deepest place on Earth -- the Mariana trench, which is more than 6 miles deep under the ocean. Actually it turns out that somehow two guys did that 50 years ago -- I have absolutely no idea how, I had no idea we'd ever been there. But Cameron is the first since that time. Here was a factoid that caught my attention -- down 6 miles under the ocean the pressure is tremendous, as in 16,000lbs per square inch tremendous. So great in fact that Cameron's specially designed sub was squeezed inward by 3 inches! So, I'm 35,000feet under the ocean. Its pitch black. I'm stuck in a tiny tube with my head touching one end and my feet the other. And that tube is compressing inward 3 inches from the pressure. You know what? I think I'll leave that trench exploring to Cameron. At least until the kraken shows up to investigate the intruder.

Hayes ( D ) -- games like this just have to be humiliating for Chuck, who this time last eyar had carved himself out a niche as a people's folk hero down in Houston. Unfortunately people will often overlook the flaws of a folk hero, and we had them on full display tonight. Absolutely completely ignored by Gortat on defense in the first half. Wasn't even looking at him. And with good easson. Just fumbled and bumbled the ball when he did get it., and the shots...ooh boy. Amateur hour as he missed open little shot after open little shot created by all the attention paid to Cuz. After a bit accidentally found a way to be useful with his offense, just throwing a brick off the glass for DeMarcus to gather and finsih,. After laughable offense for the whole night, we went to him out of a timeout late in the third and he hit his only shot. Got big minutes out there just for comic value I guess. Recovered from a non-competitive start to grab some rebounds as the game wore on, so guess that's something adn will keep him from an F, but this was embarrasing and I felt bad for the guy. And for us.

We Aren't Alone -- Or at least claims that we are are looking less and less credible as the march of alien planets being discovered marches on. Most recently A European team got done surveying planets around the most common type of star in the galaxy -- red dwarves -- and found that a full 40% of them had "Super Earth" planets orbiting them. Super Earths are planets thought to be small and rocky like our own with between 1 to 10 times our gravity, and existing in their stars habitable zone where liquid water becomes possible. Here's the thing though, in our galaxy alone there are eastimated to be 160 BILLION red dwarves. If the 40% Super Earth percentage remains steady that would mean at least 60 billion systems with Earth type planets in them (and many systems with multipel Earth type planets). And that's just of that one star type. Nasa BTW anticipates finding a true Earth type planet of roughly our same mass within the next 2 years.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#3
Fredette ( F ) -- umm...no Jerry, those are NOT shots I just want him to take. Came off of the bench remembering the hot night, and tied to jsut chcuk and chuck his way into another one. Unfortuantely when you've got a guy just throwing up 25 footers every time the ball touches his hands its kind of an all or nothing affair. As it was, it was nothing, as Jimmer went 0-6, and 0-5 from 3pt land while doing nthing else. We tried him again briedly after half, and he came in, came in, forced a bad drive, and got beat by Telfair the other way. Not a helpful effort.

Predator X -- I used Predator X once for a theme last year I thnk. In any case this cute little cirtter was discovered 6 years ago, I want to say in Scandanavia. 50ft long, weighing an estimated 50 tons, with teeth a foot long, and estimated jaw crushing power 4x that of TRex, its the most powerful predatory animal every discovered and something to think about the next time you decide to just take a little dip in the ocean wiht no idea what''s beneath you.

Outlaw ( C- ) -- hit a jumper in rhythm to start, the returned to Outlawhood. Still got a call in the 3rd when Donte got in foul trouble. And then after doing absolutely nothing, it was Travis Outlaw who forced a fugly drive to strat the 4tl and hit both FTs to give us the lead -- possibly our last lead actually.







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The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#5
I Lol'ed at the poll

This franchise needs to be lucky for once and win Anthony Davis. The dude would flat out solve a majority of our defensive issues.

Also, T-Will needs to start at the 3. I could live with him putting up 16pts 6 assists 5 rebounds on 10 shots from that position
 
#6
I Lol'ed at the poll

This franchise needs to be lucky for once and win Anthony Davis. The dude would flat out solve a majority of our defensive issues.

Also, T-Will needs to start at the 3. I could live with him putting up 16pts 6 assists 5 rebounds on 10 shots from that position
At which point our bench would give us ... maybe 5-8 points a night. Not bad.
 
#8
I am liking the progress Whiteside is making in limited minutes. We probably could have used him in more of Hayes minutes this game with the way the suns offense penetrates and hands off for layups. He was making a difference in there even without getting stats.

There was a few times when Hayes got the ball at the high elbow or out at the 3 point and his defender would just stand 8 feet back from him because there is nothing he can do from out there except pass.
 

The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#9
At which point our bench would give us ... maybe 5-8 points a night. Not bad.
I could care less. I'd rather build a potential long-term starting 5, than worry about winning games this season or the lack of bench scoring (which would be fixed with a healthy Thornton)
IT
Reke
T-Will
4
Cousins

can be a playoff contending starting 5
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#10
I could care less. I'd rather build a potential long-term starting 5, than worry about winning games this season or the lack of bench scoring (which would be fixed with a healthy Thornton)
IT
Reke
T-Will
4
Cousins

can be a playoff contending starting 5
How bad is it that I actually stared at that and tried to figure out who "4" is?
 
#13
What the hell is up with JT? He always puts together about 10 games where he plays VERY WELL but then totally disappears for games upon games in a row. So inconsistent. I was thinking about wanting a SF in the draft, or perhaps a bigger PG but I think now we have to go with a PF. The draft is stocked with them.

I swore JT had this problem in the past too so I took a look back and sure enough he has always done this streak of good games followed by a bunch of bad games.

The sad part is that if he has a poor game from a points standpoint he doesn't even give us rebounding or defense either. It's like if one of the facets of his game is trash then they all are. Especially when he gets in a multigame funk like he's been in.
 
#14
I could care less. I'd rather build a potential long-term starting 5, than worry about winning games this season or the lack of bench scoring (which would be fixed with a healthy Thornton)
IT
Reke
T-Will
4
Cousins

can be a playoff contending starting 5


You would think so, but it seems there is at least one or two players that just don't bring it on a nightly basis. Consistency is key here.

We need to move JT to the bench where he belongs. He's playing like butt right now. If we can go into next year with MT/JT/Jimmer coming off the bench as our 6/7/8 we should do a lot better than we have been when the bench comes in.
 
#15
At which point our bench would give us ... maybe 5-8 points a night. Not bad.

Not if MT/JT/Jimmer are our 5-8 players. Let's cross our fingers that we get a good PF in the draft. Williams has been a bright spot so lets cross the SF off our list going into next year.
 
#16
What the hell is up with JT? He always puts together about 10 games where he plays VERY WELL but then totally disappears for games upon games in a row. So inconsistent. I was thinking about wanting a SF in the draft, or perhaps a bigger PG but I think now we have to go with a PF. The draft is stocked with them.

I swore JT had this problem in the past too so I took a look back and sure enough he has always done this streak of good games followed by a bunch of bad games.

The sad part is that if he has a poor game from a points standpoint he doesn't even give us rebounding or defense either. It's like if one of the facets of his game is trash then they all are. Especially when he gets in a multigame funk like he's been in.
Wierd game plan tonight. They started with JT on Gortat, Donte and Frye, Cuz on Dudley, Evans on Nash and IT on Brown.

JT always has problems with the stretch 4's.
 
#17
Wierd game plan tonight. They started with JT on Gortat, Donte and Frye, Cuz on Dudley, Evans on Nash and IT on Brown.

JT always has problems with the stretch 4's.

I think we need to take a good hard look at some PFs in this years draft rather than SFs. It seems TW just got himself a roster spot with his play recently. There were only two SFs this year anyway I would want. MKG, and Barnes. Also if we could either buy a late first round pick from a team that doesn't want to it we could nab Fab Melo or Teague. Both are decent defenders at PG and PF/C

The defense played pretty well tonight. The points off TOs won it for the Suns, but I believe they shot something like 44% which isn't bad at all. It would be somewhere about top 12 or so if they could allow that every night.
 
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#18
Super game by DeMarcus but apart from Isaiah Thomas he had very little help out there. To me, this really points out two glaring positions we need to fill if we ever expect to be a contender. To start with we need a new big at the power forward position that can score, block shots, grab rebounds and be a strong overall defender. The other position is shooting forward that needs a tall good defender that can have a high percentage from three point range. Look, we have some pretty good players but, what we really need is a player who can be a consistent scorer and not someone who shows up every three or four games. Geoff Petrie has his work cut out for him and I hope he can land some top talent during the draft and through free agency or bundle up a trade that can fill those two spots. No doubt Terrence Williams is a big find but, I would like to see him and Marcus Thornton be the leaders off the bench.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#19
Super game by DeMarcus but apart from Isaiah Thomas he had very little help out there. To me, this really points out two glaring positions we need to fill if we ever expect to be a contender. To start with we need a new big at the power forward position that can score, block shots, grab rebounds and be a strong overall defender. The other position is shooting forward that needs a tall good defender that can have a high percentage from three point range. Look, we have some pretty good players but, what we really need is a player who can be a consistent scorer and not someone who shows up every three or four games. Geoff Petrie has his work cut out for him and I hope he can land some top talent during the draft and through free agency or bundle up a trade that can fill those two spots. No doubt Terrence Williams is a big find but, I would like to see him and Marcus Thornton be the leaders off the bench.
At this point, I'd settle for a PF who could do at least two of the four on a consistent basis.
 
#20
You would think so, but it seems there is at least one or two players that just don't bring it on a nightly basis. Consistency is key here.

We need to move JT to the bench where he belongs. He's playing like butt right now. If we can go into next year with MT/JT/Jimmer coming off the bench as our 6/7/8 we should do a lot better than we have been when the bench comes in.
JT has been killing it all year, finally showing improvement, and you want to bench him because he's had 2 bad games in a row? Don't get me wrong, if we had a chance at an all star PF or a top 5 draft PF i'd send JT to the bench but right now he is the best option we have at that spot and he really isn't that bad of an option to play it. I sure as hell don't want Chuck Hayes, Donte Greene, or Outlaw playing the 4 spot...

Another ghost of a game from Tyreke tonight. His lack of a jumpshot kills his game against teams who are smart enough to take away his drives. Teams can stop us cold for stretches by clogging the paint. That coupled with our terrible perimeter defense sums up our season.
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#21
You don't want Hayes playing the 4 spot huh. Who was playing it in the 3rd? I think I saw some pretty dang good defense coming from the 4 spot in that quarter.

Shouldn't bench Jason because of it. I think playing Hayes at the 4 spot instead of the 5 might be a good idea though.
 

Larry89

Disgruntled Kings Fan
#22
Why the hell was Jimmer Drafted? Tyreke disappeared like a ghost, and once again horrible offensive execution leads to fastbreak points and near the end it was a killer.
 
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LWP777

Guest
#24
I just love senseless kneejerk reactions!
No kidding. I mean, come on people! We were without MT and Salmons and JT is a little banged up right now and I think that's why he's been a little bit off the past couple of games. But to bag on him and say we need to draft a new PF, etc. is a little premature being that JT has played out of his mind the past month or so. We just got beat by a better veteran team. It's not a big deal. In fact, it's probably better that we lose a few from here on out for a better draft position. 2 of our future guys went off tonight so be happy about that.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#25
I just love senseless kneejerk reactions!
Our team is the worst team ever. We'll obviously never win with Demarcus (team cancer who scores but does little else). We should obviously dump him off (Demarcus for Ron Ron, whatd'ya say) to the Lakers while still possible.
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#26
No kidding. I mean, come on people! We were without MT and Salmons and JT is a little banged up right now and I think that's why he's been a little bit off the past couple of games. But to bag on him and say we need to draft a new PF, etc. is a little premature being that JT has played out of his mind the past month or so. We just got beat by a better veteran team. It's not a big deal. In fact, it's probably better that we lose a few from here on out for a better draft position. 2 of our future guys went off tonight so be happy about that.
I'll have to respectfully disagree. Not because of tonight's game. But rather his defensive performance over the course of the season. We need a pf one step up from Thompson on the defensive end of the floor to make up for the mistakes of others. Thompson is ok at the defensive end, just not good enough. He'd be great off the bench though.
 
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Kingsguy881

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#27
Tyreke is way too inconsistent at this point. The dude just doesn't get it! Stop fading on your jumpshot homie! All your shots end up short, why can't you figure it out. Cousins needs a wingman and dammit if you can't be it then bring in someone who can! IT is outplaying Tyreke this year.....
 
#28
IT is outplaying Tyreke this year.....
I'll bite...
How is someone who is averaging 11 pts. 2.5 rbs. 4 asts outplaying someone who is averaging 17 pts 5 rbs 5 asts for the entire year? I get how you could say that for last night, maybe even for last month, but geez, for the year...credibility in posts are a good thing...

To quote someone else this thread, "I just love senseless kneejerk reactions."
 
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Kingsguy881

Guest
#29
Our team is the worst team ever. We'll obviously never win with Demarcus (team cancer who scores but does little else). We should obviously dump him off (Demarcus for Ron Ron, whatd'ya say) to the Lakers while still possible.
Fans want ot see improvement, and DMC is one of 3 Kings bright spots right now. I understand the sarcasm in this post but be real. It's Tyreke we should dump for Ron ron.
 
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Kingsguy881

Guest
#30
I'll bite...
How is someone who is averaging 11 pts. 2.5 rbs. 4 asts outplaying someone who is averaging 17 pts 5 rbs 5 asts for the entire year? I get how you could say that for last night, maybe even for last month, but geez, for the year...credibility in posts are a good thing...

To quote someone else this thread, "I just love senseless kneejerk reactions."
Because IT hasn't had the PT Tyreke has, and once IT got it his consistency puts Tyreke to shame. Not to mention the improvement IT has shown where Tyreke hasn't.