[Grades] Grades v. Suns 3/4/12

Who disappointed most after half?

  • Donte

    Votes: 3 7.5%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 10 25.0%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • IT

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • the bench

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • the coach

    Votes: 15 37.5%

  • Total voters
    40

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
There was no good reason why we lost this one, and that's the aggravating part of it. The other team is neither a great team nor played particularly well. We had the game in control and then...we just belw it. And it was us. Phoenix did nothing to inspire our blowing it. We just choked off a winnable game. Missed easy shots, resorting to 1 on 1 ball, rooks playing like rooks, the bench returning to its former impotence, and the coach just losing all control of the rotations. And it was STILL there for the taking. This was just one of those young losses that did not have to be.

Boxscore

Evans ( A- ) -- best showing by Reke since the Miami game. Got off to the slow start offensively and the jumpers just weren't falling (again), but pretty good work as a passer. Came up with a great spinning take overpowering Hill to close the half that was a sign of things to come. Got on a power drive run in the early third just bouncing bodies out of the way and dominating the quarter. Was working hard on defense too, stopping Hill and stoned Frye in the post on a switch as well. Could have easily be a 10ast night if not for our team's continuing can'tshootitis issues. A lot of nice little dropoff passes that guys weren't converting, and kickouts to Thornton and Jimmer for open threes similarly produced nothing. Back in late in the 4th and played well again. Just needed a few teammates to come along, but our second best player of the half might have been Travis Outlaw. :eek:

Greene ( C ) -- got the start at PF (of course) in what hopefully was just a matchup decision vs. Channing Frye rather than continuing devolution into the smallest team in the league. Looked good early in his role as designated Frye defender, and when the Suns repeatedly tried to post Frye on him in response theyfound they didn't have an advantage at all as Donte is just as big and strong as that embarrassing weenie of a big man. On the other end of the floor was giving us effort and running the floor, but like much of the team attention seemed to waver after half, began to try to do too much, forced some shots, made a couple of real bad pass attempts for turnovers, and pretty soon found himself done for the night. I suppose the miracle is that Jimmer wasn't his replacement the way the lineups are going.

Cousins ( C ) -- solid start, but his opponents were putting up even bigger numbers as his attention to detail on defense was not there. Not consistently running back in transition. Took a blow to the, er, upper thigh right before leaving for the first time. May have unmanned him as when he returned in the late 2nd seemed lackadaisical and unfocused, falling into that sort of casualy throw up junk mode. Poor shot selection continued to start the third and got into it with Frye of all people after Frye inadvertently clocked him with an elbow. Actually I think the turnng point for DeMarcus was that Frye clocked him with the elbow to the head, and then the refs called DeMarcus for the foul. That really stuck in his craw. So the next time down he whacked Frye with a meaty forearm to the upper chest on the drive for the flagrant foul. Pure retaliation since the refs didn't retaliate for him. I would not even mind so much - consider modern NBA players and fans to be tea sipping weenies who wouldn't last a minute against players from 20 years ago. But the problem was/is that DeMarcus WASN'T tough about it. It distracted him, and if it didn't throw him off his game, at the very least he never displayed any game thereafter (and even if he had the guards in the second half were far too busy chucking to give it to him). If he thugs Frye, and then proceeds to go gorilla on the Suns frontline then good for him. Tear them a new one big guy. He didn't. Had his double double by half, only made 1 shot after half and was considerably invisble. And we needed him not to be.

Thornton ( C ) -- got off to the strong start to this one not having to think and just firing whenever he felt leather hit his hands. Had something like 14 points by the time he went to the bench or the first time and was just scoring over the Suns so quick they had no answer. But unfortunately things were all downhill from there. Picked up back to back fouls late in the half got him up to 3. Unable to convert on several nice passes from Reke in the early third and just began missing everything from everywhere. Problem was that he was still in major gunning mode so he was missing everything from everywhere at the rate of a brick a minute. Finally forced a bad shot that went in in the early 4th, but then got he technical arguing for the foul too. Left the game soon therafter. Just kind of epitomized our struggles and frustration after half.

Thomas ( D ) -- started off ok with a nice finsih high off the glass past Gortat, and good fight inside when he got switched onto Markieff Morris. But didn't get much else accomplished, either as a passer or scorer, and was surprisingly unabel to shake Nash's defense. Poor high degree of difficulty drive to open the 3rd for us as he began to struggle again against an elite PG. Quit lookgin for teammates, started forcing shots and eventually got benched as Smart went looking for other answers. Back in in the 4th and it was no better -- got a selfish take knocked away, missed from 3pt land and inside. Finally got a little running drive to fall inside the 2:00 mark but then followed it with one last fumbled one on one take at the 1:20 mark for the blocked shot and turnvoer. Poor outing, but of more concern was not only the inability to create offense for others, but seemingly his focus on his own shot attempts. Trade deadline is coming up, and while I certainly don't expect us to trade IT, he may need to pick it back up to insure e don't go looking elsewhere for a starting PG.
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Bench

Thompson ( C+ ) -- more of a scorer in with the benchers in the first half and while he wasn't any more coordinated he did ok. Forgotten about for a long time after half as we were apparently SO scared by the likes of Channing Frye and Markieff Morris we were willing to get outrebounded by the Phoenix Suns just as long as they did not to shoot their threes. Finally got back in for the stretch run after smallball had run its course, and made a nice big to pass to Cousins for a dunk. But burned by maybe the thing that had him on the bench in the first place when he was nowhere within sight as Frye finally drained a killer three at the 2:30 mark.

Hayes ( B- ) --nothing inh is early minutes and was replaced pretty quickly by Cousins, but a couple of nice passes again in the 4th, one to a backcutting Thornton in the early 4th, but Marcus blew the layup. Another assist to Cisco out of the 4th quarter timeout. Added a hook too in a generaly solid showing.

Salmons ( C ) -- I hope soembody was with John last night and kept the sleeping pills and sharp objects away, because something truly awful happened to him that I'm sure has never happened before: John Salmons played in a basketball game and did not even get to shoot one time! Oh, the inhumanity! Played 19min too, so its not as if it was just a couple of minutes in garbagetime. Was doing his slow crabwalk PG thing again, but this time out it was more drab than solid, and he was spending a lot of time with his back to the play protecting his dribble. Got extended minutes, some back with the starters, because of Jimmer's defense and IT's struggles. Didn't hurt us, but we felt slow with him out there this time.

Garcia ( C ) -- this of course being Cisco, you knew he couldn't duplicate the big night two nghts in a row, so instead he settled back as a mostly irrelevant reserve who wasn't awful but was no more than a placeholder. Scored on a backcut out of the timeout in the mid-4th for his only bucket, really did nothing else of note in his minutes.

Fredette ( D ) -- minutes were surprisingly limited in the first half given the game he was coming off of, but we seemed determind to overplay IT and rather more scared of the defensive matchups than i thought we'd be. Nash of course. But Telfair? Shannon Brown too athletic I suppose too. In any case, only got a couple of minutes. In in the third and immediately showed what all those defensive concerns were about, as he got burned by Nash and could not stay in front of Telfair either. Missed his only shot attempt the other way on a perfect setup for an open three from the wing. Obviously did not build at all on a couple of pretty strong bench outings.

Outlaw ( B ) -- unusually not awful performance by Outlaw, althouhg had its ups and downs. Started off in classic Outlaw fashion, refusing the assist again, dribbling in, and...actually hit the slightly clsoer jumper. Still garbage, but went in. Great sequence to close the third as he made a perimeter block to stop the Suns last possession of the quarter and raced down the other way to beat the buzzer with the tip follow dunk after Thornton missed the layup. That was it for the offense as he got blocked on a tough shot to being the fourth and then missed the corner three where he actually accepted the catch and shoot. But he had one more excellent defensive play to go as he used his length to squish Markieff Morris in the post before leaving. He contribued at least. If you could just bottle nights like this, like Cisco's last game etc. we could actually have useful roleplayers on this team.
 
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Id rather start jimmer tevans anf thorton or sub thorton for green cisco hasnt ben playin bad him self id like to.see jimmer get more shots if hes in there with tyreake will have a 3 point threat that will not have the lane cloged up so much jimmer has ben looking better and with more confedince...wat yalll think?i think I.t is getting to comftrable and is starting to do lots of bad decisions...
 
Alright, it's time to put Hayes and Garcia in the starting lineup. Hayes is finally starting to show some of his passing and that would take a ton of pressure off of Cousins and Cisco would give Cuz another cutter to find himself. The Kings offense disappears when the other team packs the paint and starts to ice that weaksauce pick and roll the Kings are running.
 
Id rather start jimmer tevans anf thorton or sub thorton for green cisco hasnt ben playin bad him self id like to.see jimmer get more shots if hes in there with tyreake will have a 3 point threat that will not have the lane cloged up so much jimmer has ben looking better and with more confedince...wat yalll think?i think I.t is getting to comftrable and is starting to do lots of bad decisions...

I think preferably DG, Cisco, Salmons, or Trout should start at SF. Reke should start at guard with another guard. Then when you sub, you bring in IT so this team always has a PG of some type on the floor unless Smart will let Jimmer be a PG, if we're going to go down I'd prefer it be players learning their positions they were brought here to play - so they can learn and improve at those positions.
 
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Please take your seats for tonight's main event. In the blue corner the 3 guard lineup!!!!!! and in the red corner the 3 SF lineup!!!!!!!!!!!

3? I think we can do 5 if we wanted...
 
The problem is that no matter what 5 we decide to put on the floor its going to have a terrible glaring weakness. Whether its shooting, passing, size, defense, or just plain basketball IQ their is always something wrong with this team. We were just HORRIBLY assembled.
 
Im in favor of the 2 guard line up that features Thornton with Rondo and has Evans screwing up Bostons rotations instead of ours...

let boston or whatever team he goes to try to figure out how to fit him into a team game that has 5 positions. Because we clearly need a PG (Thomas has proven that, but he's a top notch 6th man, probably not the answer for the future)... and we clearly need a star/Vet/floor general
 
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Im in favor of the 2 guard line up that features Thornton with Rondo and has Evans screwing up Bostons rotations instead of ours...

let boston or whatever team he goes to try to figure out how to fit him into a team game that has 5 positions.

Spencer to Jimmer to Reke. Who's next.
 
Spencer to Jimmer to Reke. Who's next.

Muss to Reggie to Natt to Westphal to Smart....

don't be silly dude.... its not my fault... i don't control the suck factor of players like i don't control it for the coaches.... but those fired coaches suck just like those players have... (Reke last year pretty much neutralized his first.) granted Jimmer and Reke are still young... Reke is just not fitting in... he's a total mess. Id rather make it easy for the other players and Smart (since he's sticking around) who's playing what and what their roll is going to be.

Reke played his best with no other good players around him for the whole year... on a team that sucked... now with Cousins and Thornton ... He's regressed sooo much... not only that but as far as I'm concerned other than resting his hurt foot he did noting but waste his offseason cause he's jumpers is one of the worst in the game...

if we could land a star of Equal value at the SF or PG spot i'd do it in a heart beat
 
I like rondo as a player but i get a bad feeling from trying to mesh his attitude with the rest of our team.

you have to remember that KG gave Rondo the hardest time, he terrorized him basically ... KG is an A-hole... so much so that Rondo was almost moved before because it was toxic... Rondo might be better off if he was allowed to be a leader and didn't have to deal with KG, Allen and Paul... I think Rondo wants to lead but can't given his vet team
 
I think Rondo is over being treated like a kid and the 4th option.... he played a HUGE part in helping them win a title but i think its tough when he's overlooked all the time, and playing in the shadows of the BIG 3!! ha... he wants to be a leader and an equal .... here he would be "one of the guys" and a vet compared to everyone else... hed be the most decorated guy on our team too... championship experience ....
 
I think we already showcased Garcia, Salmons, Greene, and IT enough for a possible trade before the March 15 deadline.

Seriously though, what's with these 4th quarter meltdowns? Are we tanking for good now?
 
Being at the game in Phoenix and seeing the broad picture, defense was as big a problem as ineffective shooting. Didn't really matter what lineup was in the 2nd half The Suns guarded the Kings perimeter players all night. The Kings did not guard the Suns perimeter players with any consistency, all night. All over the floor in the 4th Suns were in the face of Kings. Gortat again outplayed Cuz on both ends. The Kings missed 4 easy, uncontested layups, the Suns made 5 uncontested layups. Defense is the main problem.
 
This was my one shot to see the Kings this year...they should have had this one. When Smart put in Thornton, Outlaw, Garcia, Hayes, someone else? in the 4th we were down 3 and I turned to my wife and told her the Kings will now lose. What a horrible coaching decision. Suns got 8 quick points and that was that. And Cousins was sitting on the bench with 3 fouls I think along with Tyreke. Grrr.

On the bright side I got in early to see shoot around and got a ball signed / talked briefly to a few Kings. Only thing of interest was that I asked Hayes how his shoulder was doing and he kind of winced as if to say it was still bothering him. Would like to see what he can do when fully healthy.
 
Muss to Reggie to Natt to Westphal to Smart....

Reke is just not fitting in... he's a total mess.

I think you provided one of the reasons "Reke is...a total mess." He wasn't with all 5 coaches of course, but has Reke ever had a real coach to truly develop him as a player? A system that worked? Some players are naturally going to transition into the NBA and to a certain role/position. We knew when we drafted Reke that there was a debate on whether he was a PG or SG. We tried 2 years to figure that one out and then we just moved him to the 3. Our franchise has done a terrible job committing to develop him. 3 years, 2 coaches, 3 positions. Reke is a mess because our organization is a mess. It's correlation. Place Reke with another coach/franchise who knows what they're doing and he'd be further along.
 
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Cousins and Thornton disappointed me the most after the half. Cousins because the ill effects of his pouts screwed up the first 3, 4, or 5 minutes of the half. He deserved to get his talented *** kicked. Thornton had his counter productive snits later on which effected us negatively. Throw in some poor defense by Fredette and Smart keeping Thomas out of the game too long and you've got the difference between losing and winning tonight.
 
In my view Reke is not a mess now. He is playing well. I guess we, the coach, the team, have to play Fredette sometimes, he is an early round one pick and he shows some stuff, but he was a liability in this game as in others, not because he screws up a lot but because he screws up bad in ways no rookie should. Tonight its defense. He should never be asked to guard Nash. Some would call playing him a coaching error but it is a tough one for a coach.

The offense doesn't always work or work well under IT at point but it has a much greater chance to work than when he isn't at the helm. If he's not in then his best sub is Evans.
 
****ING START DONTE GREENE AT THE THREE PROBLEM SOLVED.

Evans
Thornton
Greene
JT/Hayes
Cousins


WHY IS THAT SO ****ING HARD!?

Thank you. I'm done now.
 
Did I miss the memo where we bash Reke when he plays a great game?

He did have a pretty good game...but he's getting slammed because he is supposed to be having great games. He was supposed to be the guy that puts us on his back and takes us to the promise land. Even in his rookie season he was able to do that a few times. Recently he's been putting up the numbers, but fading into the background. His shooting is worse than ever and its causing him to drive the ball too much...which is leading to alot of broken plays and stupid mistakes.

As far as greene starting at sf "solving the problem". No...he is a poor interim sf. He has an extremely inconsistent shot and is very scary to watch on offense. We need real players who can start for us...not average bench players.
 
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