Grades v. Suns 02/10

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Bricklayer

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Artest ( A- ) -- This was Ron's the-team-is-flat-so-let-me-take-over game. And until the very end, that was a good thing. We were miserable for most of the night but Ron kept on leading hustle charges to pull us back just before it reached true blowout level. And then in the early 4th he led the charge that blossomed into a full fledged 4th quarter comeback. With our guys just flat and lacking energy, Ron was taking a ton of shots, and hitting just enough of them to keep it on the Ron is leading side of the equation rather than the Ron is gunning side. Was really playing the human battering ram down inside tonight. Interesting display of the Artest power was watching him bounce even Marion around inside like he was Kevin Martin. Wasn't always pretty, and there were turnovers and forces mixed n. But Phoenix was acutely aware of the threat he posed and started coming with some extremely quick and aggressive doubles on him in the 2nd, and Ron was a bit slow to recognize, not that there was much time to do so. Led us on that final push in the 4th to draw us back into it, but was unable to seal the deal. Just crossed that invisible line into gunning and forced and failed too many times in the last two minutes. Still, the man carried us for most of the night, and without him constantly exhoritng us with words and deeds this one gets real ugly and stays that way. So an A- seems about right.
Thomas ( B- ) -- grabbed a few early boards but otherwise not very effective in the first half. Had a solid third quarter though, and then came in to join the rest of our hustle group that powered back into the game in the 4th quarter. As usual, Kenny's particular contribution to the run was his rebounding, but also is working ok as an offensive roleplayer right now either spotting up or cutting to the hoop and letting Ron create his shots for him.
Miller ( B- ) --nothing much in the first quarter, and was laboring to keep up in the fast paced game. But was able to score a few hoops in the second quarter with the world's slowest ugliest post game -- in this case closer to an "I'm 7'0" and you're a guard so I'm just going to lumber down here into the paint, catch the ball, and turn around and dump it in the hoop" game than a true post game. But it worked, and it got him going and sparked the ugliest quarter-long scoring outburst in NBA history. Best scorer we had, but this was not a thing of beauty. Kept on scoring in the ugliest possible fashion through the third. But despite being our leading scorer at that point, Rick made an interesting decision. Brad was scoring. Scoring ugly. But scoring. But he wasn't much on the glass, and of course this unorthodox team had guys running around him on the other end like his feet were glued the floor. And so Rick went with an experimental smallball (well, did have a big PG) lineup to start the 4th, and damn if it didn't finally begin to make a run for us. And so Brad ended up never returning despite being the only other guy than Artest giving us a game at the point he left the game. Not a great game mind you. It was ugly. But a game at least.
Martin ( B+ ) -- got off to one of the better starts he has had recently on the road, but there was still something missing. That spark or joy or confidence or whatever it is he has at home. And he quieted way down for a long long time and it looked like it was going to be another lackluster road effort. Unable to slow down Nash after getting switched over onto him. And was basically a nonfactor out there....until it really mattered. And then Kevin had what might be a bit of a breakthrough for him. We'll have to see whether it leads anywhere of course, but its the sort of thing that can be a foundation. On the road, not playing terribly well, in a season when he has rarely played well on the road, and Kevin stepped up late in a close game and started scoring for us and earned his minutes down the stretch. Also chipped in by getting back to help on the defensive glass. A key for us all season long with the frontline struggling to control the boards. In the end finished up with a solid statistical night with 1st and 4th quarter bookends. And while he never dominated action, he showed flashes and continued to find ways to score despite drawing defensive attention on the night,
Bibby ( F ) -- oh Mike, Mike, Mike! This is the game you just can't have. You can't be this bad or we lose. Simple as that. Got off to a poor first quarter offensively, and Nash was hot on the other end. And it never really picked up. Looked completely out of it out there. Expressionless. And impotent. Missed his shots, obviously, but the Suns also seemed to be absolutely all over everything he did. Knew every move he was going to make, every pass he was going to attempt. And the only emotion he showed all night was a sort of flat, grumpy, frustration. Ended up heading to the bench in the 4th and watching as Cisco came in and played the point (as is often the case, really Cisco brings it up, and Artest runs the team), resulting in us going on a big run. And even after that unit brought us all the way back within striking distance, Mike had stunk it up so badly that Rick actually left Mike Bibby on the bench in a crunchtime situation in favor of a rookie and a 2nd year player (Cisco + Martin). Worst part was it was the right call. Just a flat out sucky night.
Garcia ( B ) -- in the first half made a few minor contributions including making a nice hustle play running down Shawn Marion from behind on a breakaway, and then hitting a three despite some of the worst footwork I've ever seen on a shot. But his moment to shine came in the 4th when Rick finally just had seen enough of Bibby and Hart, and went with a what the hell lineup of Garcia, Martin, Artest, Thomas and Reef to see what would happen. And what happened was we clearly got better as a team with Cisco taking over for Mike. Now how much of that was directly Cisco is debateable -- he wasn't spectacular out there. But in his limited role he was steady. Something Mike could not muster tonight (well Cisco was steady except for some..um...let's call it "adventuresome" dribbling displays that looked like me trying to dribble left handed after a couple of beers). And with his size gave us a whole pack of 6'7" athletic guys to match against the Suns whole pack of 6'7" athletic guys.
Reef ( B+ ) -- pretty good first half stint, and looking more confident again. Came back in the 4th and again helped. Was able to take advantage of the mini-Suns inside with his post skills as he did back in the early season and contributed to our run to make a game of it. Grabbed a few good boards, but also didn't even go for a few he should have had. And might have tired there a bit late. After some nice plays earlier in the 4th, got quiet down the stretch. Basically played the role, and the minutes, of a scoring 6th man tonight.
Hart ( F ) -- Came in to start the second quarter in place of the ineffective Bibby. Hard to tell whether this meant the idea was for him to reemerge into the rotation, or whether it was just because Mike was struggling so badly. But after this showing...just more ick. Got lit up by the man he replaced in Sacto, Eddie House. Not entirely his fault as the shots House was hitting were just eye-popping, lightning release off balance three pointers. Nonetheless it seems so obvious who is better now. Wonder why it wasn't that clear last summer?


Adelman ( B ) -- wow, what happened to the defensive intensity? We just looked disorganized and confused for most of the night. Say what you will about the offense, but that's not the problem when you score 104. the problem is that the other team scored 112. We had a chance to really get back into it in the early 3rd, when the Suns came out of halftime every bit as flat as we were. But we just had nothing and it looked like we had squandered our opportunity. But then a funny thing happened. No sooner had the Suns come pretty damn close to putting a dagger in the heart and giving it a nice squishy twist with a three point bomb to open the 4th and make the lead 20, than all of a sudden we woke up. Not only woke up, but made it so tight that we had a legitimate chance to pull this one out. Made up 18 of the 20 points of that lead in the space of about 8-9 minutes. And maybe Rick deserves some of the credit there. Because after watching his team struggle for the whole night, after watching Mike and Jason struggle not to turn it into a debacle, Rick finally got tired of it and went with a brand new all mid-sized lineup in the early 4th that turned the game for us. Cisco, Kevin, Ron, Kenny, and Reef. No true point. No true center. Mike and Brad both to the bench never to return. And with Ron leading the charge, it worked in a big way. So big in fact that Rick decided to stick with that unit right through the end of the game. No late return for the stalwarts. Came up short, but has to be a confidence booster for the kids in particular.
 
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I am loving what Martin is giving us. He is another Rip Hamilton with a jumpshot.

1) KT commits to rebounding and defense - When he wants to board he is pretty good. Still think he takes too many shots though.

2) Miller commits to doing the dirty work - Miller of 2 years ago that dove to the ground, and fed off of the energy of the crowds. Gave us 10 boards, and 14-15 points, and a block and a half.

3) Bibby commits to scoring - 20 shots a game. Not really playing a defensive game and wearing himself out, but playing enough D so there wont have to be help from other players every time the opposing PG touches the ball.

4) Artest to playing monster D - Also taking about 15 shots a game. Kind of an all around effort.

5) Martin playing an all around game - Taking 15 shots, grabbing 4-5 boards, a couple assists, a steal, and playing good D. Rip Hamilton anyone?

If all commit to those roles this team will be tough to beat.
 
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Gary said:
He is another Rip Hamilton with a jumpshot.

Are you saying that Rip doesn't have a jump shot??? Or that Kevin would be rip if he developed a jump shot. The second one makes much more sense.
 
I'm not sure where I'd grade Artest. I think an A- is too high though, and the reason for that is you can't score 28 points on 25 shots. He just kept puking up garbage.

I know he's a talented offensive player - but the team is running our offense like he's better than MJ. He's not that type of player. Never has been.

When we made our comeback, it was because we were moving around, getting everyone involved ... we weren't flat, we were alive. But Artest started in on the "I am the only player out here" routine and killed everything we had.

I find it no coincidence that the moment Bibby/Miller sat down that this team made a huge comeback. You take that kind of defensive weakness out and we play solid basketball. We came back, not because of scoring, but because we played stingy defense.
 
Bibby has got to find a way to help the team if his shot isn't falling. If he's not shooting, he pouts. He doesn't play defense, he doesn't try to create on offense, he doesn't try and get rebounds. So basically, when Bibby is not shooting well, the Kings are playing 4 on 5 and they can't win. Either this tendency has to stop or Adelman needs to start yanking Bibby earlier.

And no, I don't mean yank him for Hart -- either Cisco or Price. Hart needs to be put out to pasture.

And Adelman deserves at least a D for not realizing until the 4th Quarter that 1) the Kings weren't winning the Miller/Diaw matchup no matter how many points Brad was getting and 2) the Kings could actually out smallball the Suns. I'm not normally one to question player rotations and the like and usually Adelman does a superb job, but this was one where it was pretty obvious that the best offense/defense lineup was Martin/Garcia/Artest/KT/SAR. Turns out 12 minutes just wasn't enough to come back from that massive hole.
 
nbrans said:
Bibby has got to find a way to help the team if his shot isn't falling. If he's not shooting, he pouts. He doesn't play defense, he doesn't try to create on offense, he doesn't try and get rebounds. So basically, when Bibby is not shooting well, the Kings are playing 4 on 5 and they can't win. Either this tendency has to stop or Adelman needs to start yanking Bibby earlier.

For the majority of the night, Bibby was one of the last one's back on defense.

You'd see on the slow motion camera that Bibby was lollygagging his way to the offensive end ... letting Artest and whomever else ran back try to cover for him.
 
grade to high for Ron. two huge ofensive mistakes in last 3 minutes, and taking 25 shots??. other then that , fair marks.
 
Martin playing an all around game - Taking 15 shots, grabbing 4-5 boards, a couple assists, a steal, and playing good D. Rip Hamilton anyone?

I don't see Rip Hamilton in Martin.

In terms of body type, sure. But in terms of game, they're pretty far apart. Rip is a midrange shooter who excels at running off screens for open looks. Kevin is a slasher with an improved three pointer. Kevin has shot almost 20 more threes than Hamilton, despite being on the court for 700 less minutes.

Though I'd definitely like to see him incorporate a lot of Hamilton's game, right now Martin looks to catch the ball beyond the arc and then either launch it or take it all the way to the hole. The part of his game that is missing, the midrange game, is Rip's bread and butter. Kevin has a long way to go to round out his game. But considering how far he's already come this year, I wouldn't put it past him to do it.

On the plus side, Kevin is more athletic than Hamilton and is already a much better and more aggressive rebounder.

Brick, I agree with all your grades for last night. It's hard to get too upset with most of the guys, considering that they almost clawed their way back to a win with Bibby playing so bad. Especially for a road game against the Suns on a back-to-back.
 
In the first quarter, whoever Bibby was guarding (whether it was Bell or Nash) they just ran Mike ragged off screens and pick-and-rolls and he was really struggling to deal with them. Either his head wasn't in the game, or his legs weren't. I think it was his legs, because most of his shots were catch and shoot or off just one dribble. He wasn't really creating any offense because he wasn't putting the ball on the floor at all. I can only think of one time last night where he put some pressure on the defense off the dribble and that was in the 3rd when he beat his man and put in a left handed scoop shot between two defenders. He can have an off shooting night, but he has to at least be a factor with some passing off penetration and the pick & roll.
 
nbrans said:
Bibby has got to find a way to help the team if his shot isn't falling. If he's not shooting, he pouts. He doesn't play defense, he doesn't try to create on offense, he doesn't try and get rebounds. So basically, when Bibby is not shooting well, the Kings are playing 4 on 5 and they can't win. Either this tendency has to stop or Adelman needs to start yanking Bibby earlier.

And it hurts even more when we're supposed to be running plays through the guy that's not there...probably wouldn't be as bad for a non-PG / someone else to be out of the game like that.:(
 
Did the Kings fly into Phoenix the night before the game or day of? Mike went to school in AZ so I sure hope he wasn't out partying real late the night before the game. I'll be D'Antoni made making just that happen Eddie House's #1 task however.. ;)
 
kingkung said:
Are you saying that Rip doesn't have a jump shot??? Or that Kevin would be rip if he developed a jump shot. The second one makes much more sense.

I meant more range. Rip has an amazing mid range jumper, but lacks 3pt range (although he is getting better as the years go by)..
 
Bricklayer said:
Bibby ( F ) -- oh Mike, Mike, Mike! This is the game you just can't have. You can't be this bad or we lose. Simple as that. Got off to a poor first quarter offensively, and Nash was hot on the other end. And it never really picked up. Looked completely out of it out there. Expressionless. And impotent. Missed his shots, obviously, but the Suns also seemed to be absolutely all over everything he did. Knew every move he was going to make, every pass he was going to attempt. And the only emotion he showed all night was a sort of flat, grumpy, frustration. Ended up heading to the bench in the 4th and watching as Cisco came in and played the point (as is often the case, really Cisco brings it up, and Artest runs the team), resulting in us going on a big run. And even after that unit brought us all the way back within striking distance, Mike had stunk it up so badly that Rick actually left Mike Bibby on the bench in a crunchtime situation in favor of a rookie and a 2nd year player (Cisco + Martin). Worst part was it was the right call. Just a flat out sucky night.
Bibby was probably out partying late again. Played as if he were hungover.
 
thesanityannex said:
Bibby was probably out partying late again. Played as if he were hungover.

I sure hope that is not why he played so bad. Bibby says he is the leader of the Kings--well that would be extremely poor leadership if true. The Kings are in the fight of their lives to even make the playoffs this year--every single game matters, I don't care if it is in your old stomping grounds.
 
Bibby is awesome when he's on... But I can't STAND when he gets into that mode where EVERYTHING is a foul, and he sits and sulks and whines! Then he starts doing that thing where he tries to go into the lane and jump into people to create contact and then when he doesn't get a foul, doesn't get back on D! But every player has his flaws... Reef tends to try to hold the ball too long, Ron as well, KT with his turnovers and poor jump shooting, Brad with his rotation, K-Mart with his road play, Cisco with his poor shooting, Jason Hart with his... Everything... Bibby with his temper and awful defense... Just a matter of trying to keep the flaws down as much as possible...
 
I just don't think Bibby would do anything that stupid. There are guys in the current line-up that would smack him around for such a transgression. There is simply too much at stake. He did not party the night before. I am positive. It was a back-to-back-away-game.

Stuff happens.
 
Does anyone believe the addition of Artest has had a negative impact on Bibby? Artest seems to be the leader now, for what ever reason, taking that role away from Bibby. Bibby's nose may be out of joint thus impacting his performance on the court.
 
quick dog said:
I just don't think Bibby would do anything that stupid. There are guys in the current line-up that would smack him around for such a transgression. There is simply too much at stake. He did not party the night before. I am positive. It was a back-to-back-away-game.

Stuff happens.
Were you with him? Didn't think so. He was in AZ. Tons of old Team Dime dudes to chill with. I'm not saying he partied, I'm just wondering.
 
Salmondave said:
Does anyone believe the addition of Artest has had a negative impact on Bibby? Artest seems to be the leader now, for what ever reason, taking that role away from Bibby. Bibby's nose may be out of joint thus impacting his performance on the court.

Its a definite possibility. In fact I think the fact that the Artest addition has hurt Mike thus far is beyond question.

But it doesn't have to be a "nose is out of joint" thing (although it could be -- Miek was the one guy i was worried might have a problme with Ron as leader given that that was theoreticaally Mike's spot). Do you remember how Mike started the season? Awful. And there it didn't have to be personal either. I think the thing is that Mike is very much a system PG. Once he's comfortable in a system, knows it, has control of when and where to find guys and pick his spots, he can be deadly. But disrupt thast system, make it chaotic. Take the ball out of his hands and change the ofense, and I think that severely disrupts Mike's flow.

What you have to hope is that history repeats itself here. Mike struggled early for us. Then seeme to settle in and was better in December, and then with the injuries sort of wrenched control of the team back in January and ran things within his comfort zone. Well, barring more injuries (never a safe bar in Kingsland) he's not going to get to stage 3, but I hope he will eventually settle in and get back to Stage 2 (settlign in + figuring out how it works).

Either way, the great system roleplayers from the previous administration have been the guys who have suffered the most during the chaos this past year. Mike and Peja in particular seem to be very sensitive to disruptions in the system. Not brilliant one on one players who can play thier game regardless of what is going on elsewhere on the team, but system guys that thrive when thigns are humming along. Or in Mike's case when he can play a two man game with Brad and not worry about messing anything up.
 
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