Grades v. Spurs 11/9/2012

[Bricklayer]

man its too bad we always get screwed in the Draft Lottery. imagine if we had gotten Davis this year. or even better, imagine if we had gotten Irving the year before. That man is pretty amazing. Kyrie as our starting PG, ya ill take that

You seen what Lillard is doing this year? What Drummond did tongiht? What Klay Thompson is doing? Or Kawhi Leonard? Its not all about the lottery. Sometimes you make your own luck.

 

[sdballer]

Nothing. I'm just perplexed as to why I haven't seen anyone else address the shooting issues. Smart's rotations shouldn't have such a profound effect on our guys that they can't make wide open jump shots or easy put-back lay-ups. We don't win this game with a perfectly coached game from Smart

I think a lot of people are frustrated that we didn't get better shooters this offseason and that a lot of our players haven't improved their shooting year-to-year. No doubt about those. I also think a lot of people understand how much undefined roles, shaky rotations and irregular playing time does impact things like shot timing, preparedness, and a teams understanding of spacing/teammates.

To pretend like guys can come in whenever at whatever position facing whatever type of opponent running whatever type of slop offense is being run and not know how or when that is going to change doesn't matter is absurd. You're basically suggesting a coach has no real impact on a team.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

You seen what Lillard is doing this year? What Drummond did tongiht? What Klay Thompson is doing? Or Kawhi Leonard? Its not all about the lottery. Sometimes you make your own luck.

ya i agree, im just saying, its hard to know who will pan out in the middle of the draft (although i loved Lillard before the draft). but i was just using Davis and Irving as the example because they were the obvious #1 pick. and the kings deserve to have gotten one of those #1 picks in the last few years

 

[spudfan]

You seen what Lillard is doing this year? What Drummond did tongiht? What Klay Thompson is doing? Or Kawhi Leonard? Its not all about the lottery. Sometimes you make your own luck.

Still funny to me that the rumor was we were going to draft Lillard, a guy who we worked out and were in love with... But then magically Robinson dropped from a predicted 2 all the way to us so we pick a guy we hadn't worked out. Don't disagree with it, but do find it amusing nonetheless.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Still funny to me that the rumor was we were going to draft Lillard, a guy who we worked out and were in love with... But then magically Robinson dropped from a predicted 2 all the way to us so we pick a guy we hadn't worked out. Don't disagree with it, but do find it amusing nonetheless.

well i understand we dont need another guard. but he is arguably better than any of our PG's, and he's only played like 6 NBA games lol. so ya he would have been a smart pick if your going on the theory of Talent over Team Need. but to me picking Jimmer just so we could get the publicity was the worst move we made in recent memory. could have had Klay, Leonard, Kemba Walker,

 

[spudfan]

well i understand we dont need another guard. but he is arguably better than any of our PG's, and he's only played like 6 NBA games lol. so ya he would have been a smart pick if your going on the theory of Talent over Team Need. but to me picking Jimmer just so we could get the publicity was the worst move we made in recent memory. could have had Klay, Leonard, Kemba Walker,

Trading Beno for Salmons was the worst move... If we wanted Jimmer we should have just picked him. It made sense at the time as we were looking for a shooter.

 

[The_Jamal]

I think a lot of people are frustrated that we didn't get better shooters this offseason and that a lot of our players haven't improved their shooting year-to-year. No doubt about those. I also think a lot of people understand how much undefined roles, shaky rotations and irregular playing time does impact things like shot timing, preparedness, and a teams understanding of spacing/teammates.

To pretend like guys can come in whenever at whatever position facing whatever type of opponent running whatever type of slop offense is being run and not know how or when that is going to change doesn't matter is absurd. You're basically suggesting a coach has no real impact on a team.

I'm not suggesting that at all. Even with slop offense and shaky rotations, there's no excuse for a pro basketball missing as many easy looks as we did tonight. Reke was 0-5 on open jumpers. IT bricked 4 or 5 wide open 3s. Cousins missed 3-4 easy put backs and 2 or 3 wide open jumpers. Thornton missed 4-5 easy looks for him as well.

 

[swisshh]

Smart's rotations are not the big problem. The problems go far beyond playing Outlaw when he shouldn't. I nearly choked on my spit when I saw Salmons play, but there's so many toxic elements to the mad alchemy that is the Kings that I cannot be a part of the angry fan chorus on this.

The disgust goes from the NBA down.

 

[spudfan]

Smart's rotations are not the big problem. The problems go far beyond playing Outlaw when he shouldn't. I nearly choked on my spit when I saw Salmons play, but there's so many toxic elements to the mad alchemy that is the Kings that I cannot be a part of the angry fan chorus on this.

The disgust goes from the NBA down.

HEY YOU edited your post on me, I hit quote and see you changed problem to big problem. Cheater!! =P

 

[rainmaker]

Why when we can't slow Mills and are intent on going small, does out best overall defender this year, not in foul trouble, only play 30 mins? Why when the IT/Reke backcourt played very well in the 1st and 3rd, only get 30 and 26 minutes respectively? Why is Smart more intent on getting everyone minutes than playing what's working?

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I'm not suggesting that at all. Even with slop offense and shaky rotations, there's no excuse for a pro basketball missing as many easy looks as we did tonight. Reke was 0-5 on open jumpers. IT bricked 4 or 5 wide open 3s. Cousins missed 3-4 easy put backs and 2 or 3 wide open jumpers. Thornton missed 4-5 easy looks for him as well.

once again, you can practice all you want and preach shooting, but shooting is just not there on some nights, its out of our control, out of the coaches control, and you just gotta try to get through it with good Defense on those off nights. the rotations ARE in control by the coach, and he screws it up every game

 

[swisshh]

HEY YOU edited your post on me, I hit quote and see you changed problem to big problem. Cheater!! =P

Sorry on on that spudfan. The original post did not have "big" in it.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Why does out best overall defender this year, not in foul trouble, only play 30 mins?

exactly. ridiculous.

 

[spudfan]

Sorry on on that spudfan. The original post did not have "big" in it.

I do it a lot, I accident words here and there much too often haha.

 

[The_Jamal]

Why when we can't slow Mills and are intent on going small, does out best overall defender this year, not in foul trouble, only play 30 mins? Why when the IT/Reke backcourt played very well in the 1st and 3rd, only get 30 and 26 minutes respectively? Why is Smart more intent on getting everyone minutes than playing what's working?

Reke played 33 minutes tonight.

But I agree with the premise. IT and Reke need far more PT together

 

[spudfan]

On another note, are we going to see Smart put Thornton in as a starter pretty soon? I am not sure anyone can argue that IT has been playing the point, having Tyreke +Thornton start is a possibility with the way we have been using IT.

 

[The_Jamal]

I guess I'm just crazy then for not expecting a win when we shoot worse than a JV girls high school team

 

[macadocious]

Voulgaris is ripping the Kings and Smart on twitter right now.

And Maloofs.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

i just dont know if i can handle watching Smart throw away a game in LA on sunday with his rotations.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I guess I'm just crazy then for not expecting a win when we shoot worse than a JV girls high school team

or when he plays a lineup that would lose to the JV girls team (Outlaw, Hayes, Garcia)

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Voulgaris is ripping the Kings and Smart on twitter right now.

And Maloofs.

GOOD! im glad someone agrees with me. i was pissed when i saw them extend Smarts contract. whether u like the guy or not, that was a STUPID move. he hadn't proved anything yet. and now hes proving that it was in fact a bad move. cause now u gotta pay him if you fire him. if the Maloofs aretrying to sabotage this franchise, they sure arent doing a good job of hiding it

 

[mac]

Problem #1: Tyreke can't shoot. But, he can drive and take the ball to the rim.
Problem #2: Team doesn't seem to understand that in order for him to get to the rim they need to give him space.

You talk about the defense just waiting for Tyreke in the paint? Well part of the reason why they can do that is nobody is spacing the floor.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

^ya pretty bad. i wonder who coaches the offense? oh ya, Coach who is too worried about getting each player some playing time then what they actually do on the court

 

[mac]

^ya pretty bad. i wonder who coaches the offense? oh ya, Coach who is too worried about getting each player some playing time then what they actually do on the court

Seriously, you know that Tyreke isn't going to pullup for a shot. Yet JT and Chuck stand around in the lane, MT did run out to the 3 point line once Tyreke started moving. If you want to let Tyreke go 1 on 1 against his defender then your bigs have to get out of the way and stand way out near the 3 point line. You know the whole 1-4 flat thing? There was a play against Golden State where we spaced the floor and Tyreke got the drive and handed it off to JJ or something.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

yep, i hate to say it, but if it wasnt for the whole Cousins/Westphal fighting thing, i actually think this team would have a much better success this year if Westphal was coach

 

[swisshh]

The thing with Tyreke is that you could make his shot attempts more effective by ambushing the other team with 1-4 spread attacks, but you would have to create these attempts in said ambush style. Otherwise, the defense recognizes the impending drive attempt and cuts off the lane, leaving Reke to his patented junk fadeaway or turnover.

So the problem is the team has low bball IQ and Reke is part of that. The second problem is that Reke is useless offensively outside of those iso-spread opportunities.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

The second problem is that Reke is useless offensively outside of those iso-spread opportunities.

right now, Yes. but not if the coach would get off his butt and teach this team to move without the ball and actually run some type of freakin offense

 

[rainmaker]

The thing with Tyreke is that you could make his shot attempts more effective by ambushing the other team with 1-4 spread attacks, but you would have to create these attempts in said ambush style. Otherwise, the defense recognizes the impending drive attempt and cuts off the lane, leaving Reke to his patented junk fadeaway or turnover.

So the problem is the team has low bball IQ and Reke is part of that. The second problem is that Reke is useless offensively outside of those iso-spread opportunities.

No he's not. Despite how useless you think he is, he's also creating at a higher clip than IT/Brooks. He's also played the two man game with both JT/Cuz very well this year, and that is not an iso situation. Don't know what you're watching.

Need more Reke and JT/Cuz two man games, and more screens for Reke with the floor spaced properly at the top. We're not doing that.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

ya im really wondering what the hell Smart is telling this team to do on offense, if anything at all. u would think a good coach would be getting these guys to move without the ball, runs some pic n rolls, run some screens for shooters. yet i see NONE of this happening ever. pic n rolls with DMC could be deadly all game long. never see them done

 

[rainmaker]

Problem #1: Tyreke can't shoot. But, he can drive and take the ball to the rim.
Problem #2: Team doesn't seem to understand that in order for him to get to the rim they need to give him space.

You talk about the defense just waiting for Tyreke in the paint? Well part of the reason why they can do that is nobody is spacing the floor.

That's atrocious. Chuck is the only one out of the other four who's in a good position. MT should be shading the top of the key at the 3pt line, and IT spotting up in the far corner. JT should be up near elbow, and considering a backscreen on MT's man so MT can fade a little towards the wing and offer a passing lane for a kickout.

This looks like a lot of the Reke/Cuz iso's Smarts run. He's not putting them in a position to succeed.