[Grades] Grades v. Spurs 02/19/2013

Who had the best 2nd half?

  • JT

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • Cuz

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Reke

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 7 41.2%

  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Its too bad the bulk of our team did not show up to this one to play in a cats will be dogs and dogs will be cats first half dominated by our mini-chuckers. Because after half most of the culprits -- Cuz, Reke, JT and finally even Thornton -- sputtered to life and we struggled around until a final Thornton flurry gave us a chance to sneak away with one. But just not enough, and so much ragged play and so many mistakes right until the end that the final score was the only just outcome: the better team won. Not that they were very good either.

Okay, so, for the remaining 30 games what we'll have is this: I was planning on expanding the Grading Consortium a bit , but have not heard back, so it may just be myself, Capt and Baja through the end. And given the uncertainty about the team's future, I'll be theming it up every night now, but no more random stuff. It will be a long list of reminders of Kings history, players, etc....or on the really bad nights it will be girls. Think there is a real chance the day will be saved one more time and we get a new and improved team next year. But if not, we'll be here until closing time. Hope you will be too.

Full Grading Consortium for tonight:
Bricklayer
Capt. Factorial
bajaden


Boxscore

Stats: 28min 6pts (2-6, 0-2, 2-2) 3reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Salmons ( D ) -- It just wasn't John's night. He started out well enough with a pullup 15 footer at the top of the key. He missed a three in the left corner on a nice kickout from Cuz. A bit later he recieved another nice pass from Cuz as he was cutting to the basket. He missed, but was fouled, and hit both freethrows. He followed with a 14 footer from the left elbow. Little did we know, those were his last points of the night. After that, it was all downhill. He drove to the basket and made a nice pass to the Spurs for a turnover. He ended the half by missing a corner three. There's nothing good to say about the second half, except that he played tough defense while on the floor. Mostly the half was marred by turnovers, missed shots, and personal fouls. In 28 minutes, he managed 6 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, and 1 steal. --Baja
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Terry Tyler (w/Kings '85-'88) -- when the Kings first arrived in Sacramento it was with this man as the starting SF. Cut from somewhat of the same type of cloth as a James Johnson, sans ballhandling, he was a 3/4 combo defensive specialist with a shaky jumpshot and springs in his legs -- he had an unusual slow motion windup as a leaper where he'd almost do a froglike deep knee bend before exploding up to block shots. But he really got off the ground, and was even in the 1986 Slam Dunk contest (where he finished last -- he could really jump, but had o flair or creativity). He platooned with shooting speciailist Eddie Johnson at SF for our early years.

Stats: 34min 11pts (4-10, 0-0, 3-3) 8reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thompson ( C+ ) -- It was the tale of two halfs for JT. Zippo in the first half, and all 11 points in the second half. To be honest, it looked like JT spent the entire time off drinking coffee and was still on a high. He was going a thousand miles an hour and was mostly out of control in the first half. He started missing a 15 footer on the left baseline, and then by driving into traffic and losing the ball for a turnover. He continuely lost track of Splitter who found himself under the basket being unguarded. He ended the first half by recieving a beautiful pass under the basket, but needlessly put it on the floor, and got it blocked. He didn't start the second half much better, getting his shot blocked by Duncan. Fortunately Cuz grabbed the loose ball and dunked it. He finally got to the foul line on a drive, where it appeared he walked, but no call, and he made both freethrows. That must have gotten him started, because he followed that with a turnaround jumper from 15 feet. He then put in a jumphook in the key, and was fouled. He finished off his scoring with a dunk on a pass from Hayes. Hopefully, he'll start the next game like he finished this one. --Baja
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Kevin Gamble (w/Kings '95-97) -- and people will barely even remember either Gamble or that he played for us. Gamble actually carved out a 10yr NBA career, most of spent as an entirely middling swingman for the Celtics in their declining post-Bird years (not bad, just middling). He washed up on these shores for the final two years of his career, and the best two years of the pre-Webber/Adelman Kings in '95-'96 (when we won all of 39gms) and '96-'97. he had once averaged as much as 15.4pts per game with the Celtics, but as a 6'5" swingman on a team with Mitch Richmond and more tweener SF types than you could shake a stick at, he was strictly a deep rotation guy/three point shooting specialist with the Kings.

Stats: 27min 11pts (3-9, 0-0, 5-8) 8reb 4ast 0stl 2blk 3TO
Cousins ( C ) -- and seeing what my fellow graders dide with the grades on either side of this one, let me jsut say it was a tale fo two halves for Demarcus... Well, somewhat. The Spurs of course have a pretty good post defender in Duncan and were paying Cuz a lot of extra attention, and in the first half he was mixing in plays when he did mor eor less the right thing, and passed the ball out to largely incompetent guards/SFs to blow assists for him, or tried to force moves too quickly to beat the doubles, and turnign the ball over in the process. Was really banigng with Duncan in there, but at the end of the half amazingly I don't think Cousins (smothered) Reke (asleep) or JT (got everything blocked) had a single field goal between them. All three of them would sputter to life after half though, when when wisely used a strong called post play for him to start the 3rd and get him going, he knocked down a jumper, and began to get ot the line. Still never looked quite comfortable or in rhythm though, missed a pair of FTs, and picked up his 4th foul late in the third on a Parker drive, and was not happy about it. Returned in the fourth but was an afterthought on offense as it was all guards all the time. Made a couple of nice defensive plays with his hands down the stretch, stripping Parker as he tried to drive the lane. But then got caught out on Parker on the perimeter with 30 seconds to go, and when Parker went around him we had nobody to stop him as the lead went back to 5. Certianly not an in rhythm game at all for Boogie, but will say that hsi amn dd little damage the other way, and to a certain degree he tried to do teh right thing beating the presure with passes. Fluttered between a C- and a C here, going with the higher grade. --Brick
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Billy Owens (w/Kings '95-98) -- on that same team with Gamble was the infamous Billy Owens, a player of some talent and a dimestore head. Owens actually had an important role to play for the franchise, but not during his years actually with the franchise. In the '91 draft Owens was the guy that Don Nelson coveted so highly to finally implement his dream of a basketball team without any power players at all (Owens was a pure bred SF/PF tweener) that Nellie was willing to trade Mitch Richmond to the Kings for our #2 pick so that he could draft Owens. Mitch of course went on to carry the Kings franchsie through the 90s. Owens went on to be neither fish nor fowl, a talented do everything sort of 14pt 7reb 4ast shaky shooting no defense no brains combo forward who was usually out of shape and just a support player not the star Nellie envisioned. Years later after failing out of Golden State, the Kings would get their draft pick back, so he could be the same sort of tweener for them -- our facination with undersized PFs who weren't PFs ran way back in time you see. His knucklehead, combined with Officer Olden Polynice's at center, helped rock the Kings franchise into its last implosion/ownership change back in '98-99.

Stats: 31min 20pts (6-15, 1-3, 7-8) 5reb 1ast 3stl 0blk 0TO
Evans ( B- ) -- It was a tale of two halves for Tyreke. In the first half he was completely ineffective on offense (1-4 from the floor, 1-2 from the line, committing a turnover that somehow didn't make it into the box score fumbling a pass in the lane) but did a good job on defense, holding Parker to four points on five shots. In the second half, he was much better on offense (5-11 from the floor, 6-6 from the line), getting most of his best work done by driving the lane. Note that his aggressiveness didn't always serve him well, as he took two ill-advised fast break shot attempts driving into defenders that didn't foul him. On top of that his defensive effectiveness went way downhill in the second half, with 'Reke allowing 14 points on 10 shots. Some of this was a bit questionable, however - seven of those points came on a Parker continuation that was iffy at best, a ticky-tack perimeter foul in the penalty, and some great D on a Parker drive that was nevertheless called a foul. I guess that 7 points on 8 shots would have looked a lot better, but that's not the way that it turned out. On a bright note, Tyreke had three steals in the third quarter, though Evans went 1-1-1 on the resulting fast breaks (the win being an assist to IT, the loss being one of his misses on the questionable drives, and the tie being Tyreke fumbling the return pass and being forced to pull the ball out). I'd like more efficiency both offensively and defensively but all-in-all he played a decent game tonight.--Capt.
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Marty Conlon (w/Kings '92-93) -- I just had to use that photo, because it is just so Marty Conlon. Just look at it -- tells you everything you need to know. And yes, that was his free throw stance. Marty was Brian Scalabrine before there was Brian Scalabrine. One of two Kings players from that era that I had an irrational fondness for -- Jim Les being the other -- because they simply in no way shape or form belonged in the NBA, and looked it. he had short legs and arms, the Bogut/Zaza head too big for the body thing, a gut, you name it. Thing is that while Marty was bigger than Scalabrine, and a semi-big man (he was often listed a C because he lacked the athleticism to play PF), like Scalabrine he was saavy and hardworking enough that he carved out a lengthy career with very minimal talent. And for the Kings, people laughed at him and his complete inability to defend anything with two legs, but he was actually kinda effective. He hustled his butt off on the court, and his stange looking little shots went in more than you would think they did. He was like every overweight unathletic sports geek's hero, and his per 36s in his single season with the Kings (his second in the league) were a very respectable 16.9pts 9.5rebs 2.9ast on .474 shooting. Just for comparison Jason's in his second year were 14.3pts 9.7reb 1.9ast on .472 shooting.
 
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Stats: 31min 22pts (6-10, 2-4, 8-8) 2reb 4ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Thomas ( A- ) -- Thomas had a very nice offensive game today, hitting 6 of 10 shots (including two great moves for layups) and getting to the line 8 times, 4 of those during some aggressive play in the late third as the Kings put together a push to avoid having the game put out of reach. His attacking the basket also opened up the drive-and-kick for him late in the game, getting 3 of his four assists in the fourth quarter, most notably finding Thornton for three on two consecutive possessions to allow us to have a shot at the game in the final minute. Unfortunately, although he wasn't dominating the ball in the first half, his distribution work resulted in zero assists (and one terrible turnover on a behind-the-back pass to nobody that resulted in a Parker layup) by halftime. He had a decent defensive game all told. In the first quarter he got schooled by Green on a backdoor cut for a dunk, then had Green blow by him for another layup a few possessions later. He was also once again in his habit of slumping way too far off of the man in the corner, fortunately not allowing any made threes due to a miss, an unforced out-of-bounds turnover, and a pass out. After the first, I thought his defense picked up, and while he made a few mistakes (with Tyreke not picking up Green with the ball in transition, getting badly screened off then not staying with Diaw on the switch to allow an open 3) he fixed his slumping-off problem and for the time that he was responsible for Parker only allowed 3 total points and once knocked the ball off Parker's foot out of bounds to stop a drive (though the refs blew it and gave the ball to the Spurs). 14 points on 14 shots against is better than I expect from him - not a perfect game, but a very nice all-around second half and great scoring. I agonized between B+ and A- but bumped him up due to his efficient 22 points on 14 shots.
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Brian Skinner (w/Kings '04-06) -- A player within the living memory of most current Kings fans, he was of course one of the "flexible pieces" Geoff Petrie famously got back in hsi trade of Chris Webber, and much to Geoff's surprise the only one who actually turned out to be flexible (as in moveable) at all. A ruggedly built 6'9" PF who we of course made play center, he had a knack for shotblocking and rebounding that kept him semi-employed in the NBA until just last season (he has played 3 combined games in the league in the last 2 years). He lasted only a year here as we tired of his shotblockign ways and traded him away for an exciting Vitaly Potapenko/Sergei Monia package.

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Bench

Stats: 10min 2pts (1-4, 0-0, 0-0) 7reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Robinson ( C- ) -- Yeah I know, he only scored 2 points. He was one out of four from the floor. But after he figured out nothing was dropping for him, he decided to play defense and rebound. He pulled down 7 boards in 10 minutes. In one instance, he battled Duncan under the basket, grabbed the rebound, missed a putback, and grabbed the rebound again, and dunked the ball. On offense, he started by missing a open 14 foot jumper. A bit later, he had basicly the same shot, but passed it up to drive closer, which means into the defense, and threw up a prayer of a shot and missed. At times he looked like he had been drinking from the same glass as JT. But to his credit, he worked the boards and played defense. --Baja
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Derek Smith (w/Kings '86-'89) -- the earliest example of a constant theme in the early Sacramento era, Smith was the result of an incompetent front office's attempt to hit a home run with a gamble. Derek Smith had been blowing up in 1984, after being misused and playing out of position as a 6'6" 235lb PF in his rookie season, the Clippers had gotten him, he'd dropped 25lbs, and he ahd emerged as an explosive power postup guard who overwehlemed natural guards with his strength. By legend he and Jordan had some major battles in Jordan's rookie year. He averaged 22.7pts, and then was averaging 27.1ppg in the early part of '85 when his knee went out on him. And this was the 80s -- knee surgery was not nearly as advanced as it is now. A bad knee injury could dramatically alter a player's career with little hope of repair (until the late 80s torn ACL's were career threatening). The Kings gambled on a return to form, traded away a bunch of material to get him (Mike Woodson, Larry Drew, a 1st and a 2nd) only to find that he was never going to be the same guy. I've actually argued that he was more effective than we were wiling to give him credit for -- we wanted a superstar and were disappointed when we only got a 17ppg scorer. but either way the knee was a constant bother, he missed almost half his games in his 3 yrs with the Kings and on a team already loaded with 18ppg type scorers (Theus, EJ) having another one at their positions constantly struggling with injury added little.

Stats: 24min 16pts (6-16, 4-9, 0-0) 4reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Thornton ( C+ ) -- chuck it if you got it! Actually the irony is that he threw up 16 shots in 24min (that's a Kobeesque 32 shots per 48) and actually came intg the game quietly, as he had good energy in the early going, including a strong hustle rebound while falling down, but took a while to really get into his gunaholic groove. And when he did it was not pretty. In the early 2nd he hit a tough tightly contested step away that nobody but Kobe has much right to shoot, and then missed and missed and missed everything else, easy or contested. He was still hustling -- after one particularly bad three point attempt that slammed off the backboard without even drawing iron, he hustled on back to stop the Spurs resulting break. But hsi trigger happy ways were disrutpive at best on his way to a 1-7 first half. Came back into the game to start the 4th and still firing, without a conscience. But like the rest of our core players, somethign sputtered to life with him. He ended up hitting 4 threes in the quarter, genreally hitting the open ones but missing the gunning ones off his dribble, and he hit tow huge threes at the 2:30 and 2:00 amrk, and folloed that with a layup on the break to make the lead 3 with 55 secodns to go. Was as close as we'd get thoguh, as our smallballing ways hurt us on the boards, and when he missed yet another desperation three at the 12 second mark, we were done. So here we are again wiht one of our gunners -- played a despicable offensive game for much of it, and yet it was his late flurry of bombs that gave s a last best shot to win it. Pity the poor grader. --Brick
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Michael Jackson (w/Kings '87-'90) -- many people do not know that the King of Pop (or at least his namesake) played for the Kings in the late 80s, but he did. he was on the roster for 3 yrs as the emergency/12th man 3rd string PG. Could not shoot, but was willing to pass it to his betters. In 89 career games he averaged 2.1pts and 2.2ast on .369 shooting. We were his only team, as oddly nobody else was as desperate as we were and his career ended after he left. So I guess you could say he was a rare career King.

Stats: 21min 4pts (2-6, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Hayes ( C+ ) -- Chuck played 21 minutes. He only scored 4 points, had 3 rebounds and 2 assists, but he made a difference. He played tough defense in the post. At times he's amazing how he keeps his opponent off balance. He's just damm hard to move, and he appears to frustrate whoever he's guarding. He could have had more assists if the recepient of his passes had been able to score. And, he could have had more points as well, as he missed two point blank shots right under the basket. He was a big part of the late game comeback. And although he only had 3 boards, he kept the ball alive again and again till one of his teammates got the rebound. Chuck is one of those guys thats hard to score. He doesn't put up gaudy stats, but everyone on the floor plays better when he's out there. He's just a very smart basketball player. --Baja
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Jon Barry (w/Kings '99-'01) -- one of the lesser talents of the Barry family NBA dynasty (his dad was a HOF, brother Brent was better, brother Drew and granddad Bruce Hale even more scrubby), Jon passed through town at just the right time to catch a special moment. A career long bench player of moderate talent, excellent hustle, and little control, he arrived just in time to be part of those first Webber/Divac/Adelman Kings teams that got good, and his wild energy came to epitomize their early bencvh play (the "Bench Mob" term used by half the teams in the league started in Sacto I believe). He still wasn't teribly good, could not defend anything, and as the team matured and started to try to win big, more controlled play came in cogue and players like Barry and Jason Williams were evenutally moved. Jon himself was traded for Mateen Cleaves, which looked like a good enough move until you actually saw Mateen play. Lingered on in the NBA at about the same level for years, and the retired to become a sinerely terrible NBA analyst for ESPN (the home of all sincerely terrible basketball analysts).
 
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Stats: 21min 10pts (4-12, 2-5, 0-0) 2reb 3ast 2stl 0blk 0TO
Fredette ( C ) -- ended the first quarter with another one of his running misses in the paint. But made one on the double clutch to start the 2nd and went off on a little run where for about 4-5 minutes he took over for IT as the mini-chucker of the moment, as the two little guys largely carried our first half offense -- at one point late int eh third the two of them had combiend for 30pts...and 2 assists -- we are a living lolcat sometimes. Had a nice hesitation dribble on the baseline to beat Duncna at the hoop during that stretch. But was hitting some tough questinable shots even when he was hitting, and had gotten into a 1 on 1 gunnin gcopetition with Thornton by the end of his first half stint, closing things by greeting the return fo the starters wby tryignt o go 1 on 1 against his guy in the post. Duh. Got the ball off a scramble play to close the half but missed the easy runner to close things. After IT was playing well Jimmer was brought back in with 9min to go to give him a spell...adn somehwo he ended up playing the entire rest fo the way despite 0pts. The Spurs reinserted Parker atthe same time, and he was able to jsut easily get to his spots for little jumeprs as the Spurs quickly pushed the lead back out and left us barely hanging on again. In a normal Smart move, IT did not return until the 3 minute mark, and when he did return...it wasn;t for Jimmer, it was for JT, who was probabyl our best guy on the floor at the time. Sigh. meanwhile Jimmer missed a wide open three from Reke at the 5min mark and never did score after that 2nd quarter run. --Brick

Stats: 13min 0pts (0-4, 0-2, 0-0) 1reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Garcia ( D+ ) -- Cisco had a short, but not very good night tonight. He made some nice defensive plays, including preventing the pass on a Kawhi cut that would otherwise have resulted in a layup. He sees the floor so well defensively that he almost always makes the right help play but his team often lets him down anyway - one time tonight he was forced to pick up Duncan under the hoop when Hayes and TRob got caught on perimeter switches, but despite his directions nobody picked up Leonard in the corner resulting in a three anyhow. Still, for all his defensive vision he still allowed 10 points on 7 shots in his short time on the floor. Offensively he was a near-zero. Outside of a fourth quarter skip pass to Thornton for 3, he had nothing. 0 for 4. The first two of those were the first two times he touched the ball - he didn't touch the ball for about the first 5 minutes of playing time, then decided to launch two bad threes immediately to show his teammates why they need to get him the ball. Boy, THAT worked. --Capt.
 
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Its too bad the bulk of our team did not show up to this one to play in a cats will be dogs and dogs will be cats first half dominated by our mini-chuckers. Because after half most of the culprits -- Cuz, Reke, JT and finally even Thornton -- sputtered to life and we struggled around until a final Thornton flurry gave us a chance to sneak away with one. But just not enough, and so much ragged play and so many mistakes right until the end that the final score was the only just outcome: the better team won. Not that they were very good either.

Okay, so, for the remaining 30 games what we'll have is this: I was planning on expanding the Grading Consortium a bit , but have not heard back, so it may just be myself, Capt and Baja through the end. And given the uncertainty about the team's future, I'll be theming it up every night now, but no more random stuff. It will be a long list of reminders of Kings history, players, etc....or on the really bad nights it will be girls. Think there is a real chance the day will be saved one more time and we get a new and improved team next year. But if not, we'll be here until closing time. Hope you will be too.

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This will be a very emotional next few months if they are the last. :(
 
These games mean nothing to me. The only day that means anything to me is the date the BOG meets and that is April 18. Apparently news has been leaked, actually tweeted by the city manager, that a buying group has been organized. If that's true, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, we are 90% home with the other 10% being the BOG. I am not worried about the BOG as long as our purchasing group is solid i.e. Burkle plus any other rich human or humans he chooses to partner with. I don't mean to hijack this thread but truthfully, the grades and games mean nothing to me.
 
I said this in the game thread, but ... I can live with this one. I saw a lot of our guys playing really hard. What we had tonight was the smartest team in the NBA with the best coach going against the dumbest team in the NBA with the worst coach, and we stayed in it till the bitter end.

Mistakes all over the court, yes, but the effort was there.
 
These games mean nothing to me. The only day that means anything to me is the date the BOG meets and that is April 18. Apparently news has been leaked, actually tweeted by the city manager, that a buying group has been organized. If that's true, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, we are 90% home with the other 10% being the BOG. I am not worried about the BOG as long as our purchasing group is solid i.e. Burkle plus any other rich human or humans he chooses to partner with. I don't mean to hijack this thread but truthfully, the grades and games mean nothing to me.



Glenn, 100%, +1

It's sad, but I am more entertained, and spend more of my time in the new arena forum than I care about this roster right now. Hell, if we wind up keeping the Kings, here will actually be a part of me that will miss this arena situation because it is more entertaining than this team has been for the last half decade
 
These games mean nothing to me. The only day that means anything to me is the date the BOG meets and that is April 18. Apparently news has been leaked, actually tweeted by the city manager, that a buying group has been organized. If that's true, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, we are 90% home with the other 10% being the BOG. I am not worried about the BOG as long as our purchasing group is solid i.e. Burkle plus any other rich human or humans he chooses to partner with. I don't mean to hijack this thread but truthfully, the grades and games mean nothing to me.

Absolutely spot on!

I am quietly confident we will win the big game in April, at which point we will have a better team, coaching staff and front office next year. Not to mention owners willing and able to spend and a new arena on the way. Good times ahead, after we ride out this rough patch!
 
These games mean nothing to me. The only day that means anything to me is the date the BOG meets and that is April 18. Apparently news has been leaked, actually tweeted by the city manager, that a buying group has been organized. If that's true, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, we are 90% home with the other 10% being the BOG. I am not worried about the BOG as long as our purchasing group is solid i.e. Burkle plus any other rich human or humans he chooses to partner with. I don't mean to hijack this thread but truthfully, the grades and games mean nothing to me.
So if the grades and games mean nothing to you, then WHY are you here?
 
The team did play hard and ALMOST won it. The point margin was at 9 or less a bunch of times. Then SA got a turnover or a rebound or two and ran the lead back to 14 or so.

I kept watching because the team did not fold. They kept playing hard and made it interesting.

KB
 
I said this in the game thread, but ... I can live with this one. I saw a lot of our guys playing really hard. What we had tonight was the smartest team in the NBA with the best coach going against the dumbest team in the NBA with the worst coach, and we stayed in it till the bitter end.

Mistakes all over the court, yes, but the effort was there.

Yep.

Edit: A smarter coach with a reasonable scheme would instantly make our players seem a lot smarter. They look dumb because of coaching. Bring in some competent managers, and your squad will suddenly perform a lot better. Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been a mutiny yet.
 
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I said this in the game thread, but ... I can live with this one. I saw a lot of our guys playing really hard. What we had tonight was the smartest team in the NBA with the best coach going against the dumbest team in the NBA with the worst coach, and we stayed in it till the bitter end.

Mistakes all over the court, yes, but the effort was there.

Extremely well said!
 
I understand Glenn's sentiment. However, I am in this thing for the game and I'm looking forward to every miserable game until the end of the season. Go (stay) Kings!!!!!!!
 
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