Grades v. Sonics 11/06

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
So what do you do to find an entertaining game when you're 0-3 and haven't been remotely competitive at any point in the season? Find another 0-3 team, and have yourself a true clash of the titans! Woohoo! It was touch and go their for a little bit, in particular when we went down by 20 (TWENTY) to our fellow winless scrubs, but Damien Wilkens bailed us out, and we are off the schneid.

And to underscore how lucky we are to be watching our awesome collection of, er, athletes, I have dedicated today's theme to: Athletes Too Sad to Even Make the Kings

Cisco ( C+ ) -- not much scoring in the first half(in fact finished the first half with a bagel), but was really helping in the doing everything else. Creating shots for teammates, blocking a shot etc. A good roleplaying first half, albeit without the rebounding we have come to depend upon him for. But things began to unravel in the second half when evil Cisco returned and began to make some shaky Cisco descions in the late third and 4th. His shot was off all day, yet he insisted on forcing stupid shots. He made bad decisions and turned it over, and in general he and Damien Wilkens (the man he was often guarding) were doing their absolute best to win the other team the game. But after nearly capping his collapse with a final forced shot in the dying seconds, salvation landed in Cisco's hands as Brad found him in the corner for a wide open three that was the game winner. After Damien Wilkens got done hogging the final two shots that should have gone to Wally or Durant, Cisco got to heave a sigh of relief and pass the goathorns over to opponent. A game in which much of the good and the bad of Francisco Garcia was right on display. Its up to everybody to make up their own minds which way that weighs.
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David Wells -- I have no idea how you could make a list of this type wihtout this man on it. I mean seriously. Professional "athlete" right there baby.

Moore ( C ) -- more of the same nothingness we've been getting from him in the first half, and why he was getting those minutes was a real question. Finally hit a turn around prayer, and managed to grab a rebound late in the second quarter as we closed the 20pt gap down to 13. But came out in third and did...well something at least. Ok, mostly he just clapped his hands a lot and yapped. But he also was taking charges, and scoring off of Cisco feeds (ala the way he scored that silly contract via JKidd), and gave us some energy. Still only amounted to a terrible sounding 4pt 4reb and 4To in 29 minutes. But there was a stretch there where it was better than that, and he helepd wiht his energy. Brilliant player really, he always does just enough, has that one stretch of non-awfulness, to avoid the F. That shows real veteran saavy and experience. And of course he's always ready to hop around and clap his hands for his teammates. In fact you know which famous crap athlete Mikki reminds me of:
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Mateen Cleaves -- that's right baby, the one, the only. Why we didn't pick him up instead of some guy named Beano I will never know. He and Mikki might suck, but the overwhelming encouragement and towel waving prowess of such a tandem from the bench would be worth 5-10pts a game all by itself.

Miller ( B+ ) -- gave us nothing in the early going, and was that same ultra-passive uberwuss who has been plaguing our frontcourt all season. Just standing outside shooting standstill jumpers like a fat guy in a park, and even missing most. But then a funny thing happened. It was Brad Miller, of all people, who actually led us back from being down 20 in the mid 2nd quarter. He was reinserted with us on the verge of getting Reggie fired after only four games, and promptly started grabbing rebounds, finished inside, and even got out on the break and drew the foul. And then he actually built on that and came out in the second half equally aggressive. Was, believe it or not, fighting on the galss, and even trying some semi-post moves (a couple of which even went in). To top off the out of old ground bound body experience, he even came up with an important late block. Now its the Sonics. And they have a starting scrub at center who looks like a tatted up Legolas the elf, and then a bunch of moderately competent PFs behind him. But still, Brad played aggressively, and if he didn't use up his last testosterone molecule in the process could actually have a use if he played that way regularly (that use to raise his trade value, but still, better than watching him chuck up jumpers for another 3 years at $12mil a year).
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Cecil Fielder -- and while we're on baseball (well, except for the Mateen interruption), some of us old timers remember that Prince Fielder's dad made junior look like Keira Knightly. This is a pic from one of his skinnier years.

Martin ( A ) -- very active and involved offensive first half (and by that I mean more than just scoring -- moving the ball very well, being involved in play on both ends). Was very active defensively early too -- in a bad way, as Sonics took turns scoring on him. But that first half was a true star first half. Not just a scorer. More of an all around pain in the *** ala a Ray Allen or some such, and ended the half leading or tied for the lead in points, rebounds, assists, and steals. Welcome to Mitch Richmond's world kid! He was better defensively in the third when he was largely put on the Sonics surprisingly shaky PGs (none of them are very good, but tonight they made terrible decisions all game long). But he seemed to tire at the end of the third, and showed his ballhnadling weakness when we tried to run an iso play for him at the top of the circle to close the quarter -- Durant picked him clean and went the other way for an open dunk. And Kevin continued continued to struggle in the 4th with Seattle's defense rotated his way. Turned it over repeatedly, and appeared to cramp up after going up to grab an important late rebound for us. Late fade did have me thinking the "-", and the stamina issues will be something to watch as they were with Peja (and with the knowledge that Kevin seemed to fade lat ein the season last year). But in the end putting up the complete line -- 31pts 7rebs 5ast -- makes this one of Kevin's better overall games, and what people have been asking him to do. To be more than just a scorer. More than just a 22pt 3reb 2ast irrelevancy. To matter. And tonight he did.
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Butterbean -- women of the board! Hands off!
 
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Salmons ( B ) -- scored well early, but then his game really fell apart in the second quarter along with ours. Forced bad shots, made turnovers, played dumb. Recovered during the second half, and with Kevin visibly wilting, stepped forward as much as anyone to grit out the win against the other worst team in the league. On defense stripped Durant a number of times, who is an amazing talent but still needs to learn to protect the ball. Of course also saw said amazing talent drop 27 on him (mostly him) on 50% shooting, so grain of salt and all that. But he was at least attentive and made the kid work. Overall this was not a huge impact game, and the numbers were more kind of an attrition kind of thing. Played a ton of minutes once again, and just kept on piling them up. But as a critical second gun to Kevin, filled in when he, and we faltered late.
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Phil Mickelson -- so you've won major championships, and choked off many more. Many fans like you. Most golfers detest you and call you by interesting acronyms like FIG JAM. And yet you secure your spot in history forever with one nickname: Captain Man-Boobs.

Thomas ( B ) -- amazingly was still first the big off the bench despite every possible effort he had made so far to not jusify such a position. And even more amazingly, was decent tonight. Showed up to play. In his first stint rebounded over the other rookie Jeff Green, who is really a SF and lookked completely clueless tonigth. Did blow one of his usual layups, but also made several others off of nice Cisco feeds. And came out and was solid on the glass in the second half, and again stayed mostly within himself just converting on open looks from teammates. Was slow on some defensive rotations, had several Kenny turnovers. But it was a KT performance that did not suck. Hallelujah and all that.
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John Daly -- of course even in the golfing world, nobody can really touch this man as a non-athlete. Giant gut, cigarettes, alchoholism...he's got it all going on baby.

Douby ( B- ) -- got off to a rocky start as he was yanked out instantly by Theus after coming in and gambling for a steal, then reinserted a few possessions later. That would annoy me no end, but Douby seemed to accept it at least for the time being. Managed to hit an early three, and get a layup off a nice Cisco feed. Was part of a little defense, but also made mistakes. No passing of course. Contributed after being reinserted in the late third. Mostly scoring of course, but some energetic attemtps at defense and even trying to get in the on the glass (which doesn't often work well when you weigh less than some of the dance team). Almost hit a buzzer beating drive to end the quarter, but it was a fraction of a second too late. Got the surprise call to work the late game as Reggie went smallball to counter the same from the Sonics, and came up with a big shot. Decisionmaking in everything but shooting still in question, but gave us a little boost tonight. Be interesting to see how his minutes go with the arrival of a truer PG in Beno.
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Gilbert Brown -- I really wanted to get a better picture of Gilbert, as one of the preeminent round mounds of interior line play, but this wil have to suffice. Of course playing on the interior line in football is all about power and leverage, and so the flab could actually be considered a tool of that particular athletic trade. Or so Gilbert would tell you over seconds. And thirds. Fourths maybe....

Greene ( INC ) -- saved a sure two points near the end of the first by breaking up a Seattle fastbreak and stealing the ball form Ridnour. He falls just over my normal grade cutoff line, but as usual does so little of gradeable note out there that I am going to just call this one incomplete and wait for something more substantial to grade.
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Tony Siragusa -- younger posters may only know this guy as a goofy sideline reporter, but back in the not so distant day, he used to take great pride in getting his "keg" (that thing stuffed under his shirt in the pic above) so low to the ground that he was almost unmoveable in there. A 330lb lump of lard to clog the middle of the line every play.
 
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Watkins ( INC ) -- as his reward for being probably our best big on the roadtrip, got inserted in the second quarter for a grant total of 2minutes and 17 seconds. Obviously did little. Nice guns though.
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William "The Refrigerator" Perry -- the one on the right is the former professional athlete.

Reef ( INC ) -- brief first half cameo. Not sure what the point was for all of a minute, but there it was.
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Konishiki -- I was torn, which picture? But I simply could not deprive the ladies -- in fact I am thinking this theme may in fact fulfill my obligations to them for a Pretty Boys II theme. And so I just decided to include both.


Theus ( B+ ) -- so Reggie finally got a win. Good for him. But more importantly Reggie finally got a response from his team after they were damn near ready to embarrass themselves in the second quarter. We were down by 20 points to one of the worst teams in the league, on our home floor, in our home opener. Heading down that ugly path again in that game could have really ramped the heat up here in the early season. But after some spastic substitutions in the early game (inserting and then immediately yanking Quincy to give him a time out for being a bad little boy, inserting Reef for all of one minute, and Watkins for all of two) Reggie hit upon a solution from an unlikely source -- one Bradley Miller. Not sure what got into his water, but after a rather pathetic early showing of weenie standstill jumpers, it was Brad's reinsertion in the middle 2nd quarter that seemed to really spark us with some *gasp* aggressive interior play. I am not about to say tht Reggie could have remotely predicted that, but he still found it. Adn after that he also calmed down in his rotations -- in fact again showed a tendency to go entirely the other way and just play guys until they drop. And as in the San Antonio game, once the rotations settled, so did our game. And Reggie helped things along considerably by using a lot of pressure and traps on the Sonics in the third quarter to give us energy, and challenge the Sonics' awful decision making abilities. The decision to go smallball late...well against this team, sure. And considering the status of our bigs, why not? So while you have to question how we ever got down so far to such a terrible team, and raise an eyebrow at barely being able to beat them at home, Reggie finally broke through. And against this bad team, we even looked like we had a semblance of a gameplan. Next up, the Cavs. Who attempt to just bore you to tears, and who obviously are a good team. But not an unbeatable one. But it will take a better effort than the one we had tonight -- a full game effort this time. We will see.
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Oliver Miller -- now I seem to recall using the very Big O in a theme last year, ans so maybe I am cheating by using him again. Am not sure of my own rules here. But in any case, the dude belongs. Imagine, if you will, actually eating yourself out of a job that pays you millions of dollars a year. I mean, duh.
 
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Just got back from the game Kings fans and wow! Where to start? If we’d lost this home opener at the end it would have been devastating. Not the end of the world, but maybe we’d be talking about 0-20 or something! I’d be struggling to find anything to say along the lines of “the glass is half-full,” or whatever. On to my grades in simple A,B,C,D,F:

Salmons A – Intense for 43 minutes on both sides of the ball. Locked down Durant at the very end of the game. Ran the point better than anyone else on the Kings – by far!

Martin A – The kid played his arse off for 42 minutes leaving it all out there. Miraculous! Marvelous! Sensational! Pick your favorite Kudos!

Miller A – Am I dreaming? Double-Double for B52. Nice!

Garcia B – The kid is utterly relentless. At times you shake your head in dismay. BOOM! He makes a block, a steal, creates a turnover, or in this case drains a do or die three to win the darn game!

Douby B – Showed me a lot after coach jerked him out, then reinserted him a minute later and the kid was on to more diving for loose balls, slashing, hitting big shots.

Moore D – Showing improvement over basically three previous F’s in a row. Took a couple nice charges just outside the circle. Still fumbled too many rebounds or out of position to grab them.

Thomas C – Played maybe about as well as he's capable at this point in his befuddled career.

Greene, Watkins, Rahim INC – I can barely remember anything about them, although I think Orien did D-up a bit which is what he’s paid his NBA minimum to execute.

Theus A – Coached his arse off. Somehow I think King fans are really going to appreciate a coach who actually coaches instead of “just looking pretty” on the sidelines.

Officials A – Called a charge against Kevin that they may have missed – I would need to see replay. Otherwise crew was excellent.

Crowd B – Sat around mostly in the first half wondering what to expect. Seemed bored as Kings went down by 20. Woke up a bit as the Kings cut it to 13 at the half. Erupted with some Arco thunder as the Kings started their run out of the gate in the third quarter, kept it up pretty good and not bad in the end for the 14,900 in attendance.
 
I thought Douby did a better job of bringing the ball up the court than Cisco. Cisco had some serious fumbles and seemed really unconfident with the rock.
 
I thought Douby did a better job of bringing the ball up the court than Cisco. Cisco had some serious fumbles and seemed really unconfident with the rock.

I agree. And that's why Theus went with Douby at the point toward the end of the game. Also, I think Garcia was worn out with being the point guard.
 
Konishiki -- I was torn, which picture? But I simply could not deprive the ladies -- in fact I am thinking this theme may in fact fulfill my obligations to them for a Pretty Boys II theme. And so I just decided to include both.
Actually, I think you owe us two Pretty Boy themed grades after those pictures and Butterbean's. Hopefully my sight will return by then. ;)
 
Actually, I think you owe us two Pretty Boy themed grades after those pictures and Butterbean's. Hopefully my sight will return by then. ;)

I really appreciate these grade threads brick, even without the pbp I can get something of a feel for the game. Thank you.

I was thinking three. :D

maybe this will help until then...
 

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Garcia is not a PG, nor is Douby. Christie wasn't either but was able to handle as part of different looks Adelman would draw up. But none of those guys are PG's or should be primary PG's anyway.
 
Garcia is not a PG, nor is Douby. Christie wasn't either but was able to handle as part of different looks Adelman would draw up. But none of those guys are PG's or should be primary PG's anyway.

Speaking of Christie, I wonder what would have happened if we'd been trying to train Kevin as a PG for the last couple of years? He isn't impossibly too slow for the position, and he doesn't make a lot of dumb mistakes, so he might have what it would take. His size would be a plus, and he'd get his hands on the ball a lot, which is usually a good thing for us. Maybe it's too late in his career to seriously consider, but I can't help but wonder.
 
Speaking of Christie, I wonder what would have happened if we'd been trying to train Kevin as a PG for the last couple of years? He isn't impossibly too slow for the position, and he doesn't make a lot of dumb mistakes, so he might have what it would take. His size would be a plus, and he'd get his hands on the ball a lot, which is usually a good thing for us. Maybe it's too late in his career to seriously consider, but I can't help but wonder.

Kevin isn't a point guard. The idea that you can "train" someone who is pretty clearly one type of player to be a different kind of player just makes no sense to me whatsoever.
 
Kevin isn't a point guard. The idea that you can "train" someone who is pretty clearly one type of player to be a different kind of player just makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Players change position pretty frequently when they make the transition from college to NBA. Gilbert Arenas, for example, was big enough to be a SG in college, but was PG sized by NBA standards, so fell to the second round as a hopeless tweener. But he did learn to play PG. While going from college to the NBA, Devin Harris has also gone from 2.25 assists (per 48) to 8.8, while his A/TO ratio has gone from 1.0 to 3.3. Kevin Johnson, Mike James, Smush Parker, lots of players have made the SG->PG change. Although it's an easier transition, maybe a quarter of NBA forwards played C in college, from Jerry Lucas to Elvin Hayes, Dolph Schayes, Carlos Boozer and Al Horford. So it's not as if it can't be done, or isn't.

A lot of SGs won't have the speed, or smarts, or court vision, or ball handling, or attitude to make the transition, so I'm not saying that he could do it, just wondering if it was ever considered. We seem to be trying it with Douby, who would have to unlearn his black hole habits, and it seemed like if he could try it, Kevin could try it too. *shrug*
 
Players change position pretty frequently when they make the transition from college to NBA. Gilbert Arenas, for example, was big enough to be a SG in college, but was PG sized by NBA standards, so fell to the second round as a hopeless tweener. But he did learn to play PG. While going from college to the NBA, Devin Harris has also gone from 2.25 assists (per 48) to 8.8, while his A/TO ratio has gone from 1.0 to 3.3. Kevin Johnson, Mike James, Smush Parker, lots of players have made the SG->PG change. Although it's an easier transition, maybe a quarter of NBA forwards played C in college, from Jerry Lucas to Elvin Hayes, Dolph Schayes, Carlos Boozer and Al Horford. So it's not as if it can't be done, or isn't.

A lot of SGs won't have the speed, or smarts, or court vision, or ball handling, or attitude to make the transition, so I'm not saying that he could do it, just wondering if it was ever considered. We seem to be trying it with Douby, who would have to unlearn his black hole habits, and it seemed like if he could try it, Kevin could try it too. *shrug*

I guess my real concern is that Kevin is one of the few parts of the team that isn't broken. And if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

;)
 
I guess my real concern is that Kevin is one of the few parts of the team that isn't broken. And if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

;)

Yeah... the best time for something like that would have been when he was a rookie who shot 38% and had a whole lot of spare time on his hands. It's just that seeing him lately, getting 6 or 7 boards or assists, or 5 steals in a game, shows me that he can grow beyond merely making points. He will never be a Shawn Marion or Jason Kidd, but he needn't be a Michael Redd or Raja Bell, either. A solid, well-rounded SG is plenty to aspire to, it was just one of those "what if" kinda thoughts.
 
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