Good post, def, forgot about Bogut for some reason. Where do you find defensive ppp now that Synergy is sub only based?
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Good post, def, forgot about Bogut for some reason. Where do you find defensive ppp now that Synergy is sub only based?
82games.com
Defense relies a lot on effort and consistency. And then there are defensive schemes, and then there's "don't be too aggressive, we need you on the other side". It's too complicated to be compressed in 1 number, that is based on background a lot, but Boogie is definitely in that range, when he's rested and concentrated on games, not off the court stuff.
Defense relies a lot on effort and consistency. And then there are defensive schemes, and then there's "don't be too aggressive, we need you on the other side". It's too complicated to be compressed in 1 number, that is based on background a lot, but Boogie is definitely in that range, when he's rested and concentrated on games, not off the court stuff.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
He's already better than half those guys. Talk about reputation picks.
Cousins might be...scratch that. DeMarcus Cousins IS a better defender than Marc Gasol, TODAY. I don't feel any need to equivocate. The numbers all say it, so does the eye test. And he does it in the face of a far FAR less defensive crew of teammates. He gets no help. has to cut off nearly everything himself. He's far smarter than Deandre And really Drummond hasn't moved past that yet either, although he has the potential to.
Grr...that's it, new thread time. All the numbers show it. Its a rep thing, and a team thing, that keeps people enamored with certain names. The players themselves? Ok, new thread coming.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And I'm adding this to my new Boogie defense thread. Ok, I feel inspired. its late, but so many yummy stats. Grades, Boogie defense, the new Great Centers thread. Sleep = optional.
You've said a lot of... silly.... things over the years, but this just takes the cake. I look forward to picking your stat thread apart as I always do.
It's truly amazing that a player can excel to the historical extent that Cousins is this season and we don't crack 30 wins. We have a legit second option scorer, we have a steady PG. How much are we actually missing here? Those three pieces alone (best C in the league, 20pt scoring wing, competent starting PG) should buy you a ticket to the first round of the playoffs at least. What's going wrong here?
Well we were on playoff pace at the start of the season. The interim coach fiasco and assorted injuries (Rudy and Darren missed time early in the year too) took most of the wind out of the sails and then it looked like guys settled into the idea that we're just not a good team and stopped trying as hard. McLemore is frustrating but improving. We really need him to flip the switch next season and become a reliable third option marksman all season. He did it for two months this season (Nov/Dec splits look great) then fell off a cliff. Stauskas is shooting the lights out in March (16 for 34 on threes). Both of these guys should be 42% three point shooters as soon as they stop having whole months where they can't hit the broad side of a barn. No excuses.
The PF position was a black hole for us this year. 8 out of 10 nights we're getting nothing from Thompson and Landry. Cousins is too good to waste his career playing for a franchise that wouldn't know a PF if it hit them in the face (well, other than CWebb that is). That Landry contract was a backbreaker (not really a surprise) and Thompson, despite the occasional big game, remains one of the worst staring PFs in the league. Maybe Eric Moreland will give us something next year but realistically we need to rethink the whole position. Our PFs make our SGs look like overachievers and that's saying something!
It looks like we'll probably have a draft pick and around 8 or 9 million to spend on free agents. That should be enough to find 1 capable PF. We also need a wing defender who's good enough at something to keep them on the floor for 20+ minutes a night. If we get those two things, there's no reason why we shouldn't make the playoffs next year with a full training camp under George Karl. If we can find a starting PF worthy of the name and a productive backup to add to Boogie Monster, Rudy Gay, Darren Collison, and continued improvement from our baby SGs we might even be very good. At least it looks that way on paper.
Well we were on playoff pace at the start of the season. The interim coach fiasco and assorted injuries (Rudy and Darren missed time early in the year too) took most of the wind out of the sails and then it looked like guys settled into the idea that we're just not a good team and stopped trying as hard. McLemore is frustrating but improving. We really need him to flip the switch next season and become a reliable third option marksman all season. He did it for two months this season (Nov/Dec splits look great) then fell off a cliff. Stauskas is shooting the lights out in March (16 for 34 on threes). Both of these guys should be 42% three point shooters as soon as they stop having whole months where they can't hit the broad side of a barn. No excuses.
The PF position was a black hole for us this year. 8 out of 10 nights we're getting nothing from Thompson and Landry. Cousins is too good to waste his career playing for a franchise that wouldn't know a PF if it hit them in the face (well, other than CWebb that is). That Landry contract was a backbreaker (not really a surprise) and Thompson, despite the occasional big game, remains one of the worst staring PFs in the league. Maybe Eric Moreland will give us something next year but realistically we need to rethink the whole position. Our PFs make our SGs look like overachievers and that's saying something!
It looks like we'll probably have a draft pick and around 8 or 9 million to spend on free agents. That should be enough to find 1 capable PF. We also need a wing defender who's good enough at something to keep them on the floor for 20+ minutes a night. If we get those two things, there's no reason why we shouldn't make the playoffs next year with a full training camp under George Karl. If we can find a starting PF worthy of the name and a productive backup to add to Boogie Monster, Rudy Gay, Darren Collison, and continued improvement from our baby SGs we might even be very good. At least it looks that way on paper.
Oh duh.. I knew that.
And yea, that's an issue defensive metrics have in all sports, not just basketball. It's really damn hard to individualize something that's so dependent on your other teammates.
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KingMilz
Guest
DMC should never be sitting out in particular when he's in career best form what a joke this franchise is resting him.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Yeah... But 50's a big number and Boogie only had a triple double and a 20-20 game and six blocks.
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KingMilz
Guest
James also scored more than twice the amount of points on the same amount of shot attempts, regardless of results 50+ on 25 shots is insanity and is the better performance.
Did you notice his attitude tonight? He was rested, he wasn't playing through aches and pains, and he showed just how dominant he can be WITHOUT getting in foul trouble or yapping at the officials. THAT'S why you rest him once in a while.
It's been a long and arduous year for DeMarcus Cousins. If George Karl thinks he should sit out on occasion, I'm not about to argue the point - especially when DMC comes back and has a night like he had tonight. With Rudy out there, I'm pretty sure we would have won this game going away.
I know it's considered stylish to always dump on TPTB, but this time you're barking up the wrong tree.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You've said a lot of... silly.... things over the years, but this just takes the cake. I look forward to picking your stat thread apart as I always do.
You will find you are not able to.
Gasol essentially has NO statistical leg to stand on. Not stls, blks, charges drawn, def rebs, rim protection stats, +/-, DPRAM, nada. The worm has turned, its high time that fact was published.
If all you're judging is shooting.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Boogie just put up a statline that was previously only achieved by arguably the GREATEST PLAYER in the history of the NBA. Harden scored 51 points, which has been done by more than a few players in the league (*cough*Tony Delk*cough*).
Scoring 51 points isn't nothing by any means but Boogie's performance was, simply put, historic.
And yet Harden gets the front page treatment on ESPN and the only mention of Cousins' big night is halfway through a game recap mostly devoted to puffing up Harden's case for MVP.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Well, 51 is a big number and who cares about rebounds, assists, or blocks anyways.
IfAt1st
Starter
I'd guess that Kareem's night didn't include 3 steals and (at least) 1 charge taken. (and that doesn't even count the (at least) 2 plays he caused the turnover but didn't get the block or steal stat)NBA.com @NBAcom · 28m28 minutes ago
.@BoogieCousins joins @kaj33 as only players to record 20+ pts, 20+ reb, 10+ ast & 5+ blk in game, per @EliasSports.
Boogie's stats match those of some dude named Lew Alcindor (never heard of the fella)...
So Boogie may be the ONLY player in NBA history with that stat line?
rhythmless
Starter
http://www.basketball-reference.com...=10&c4stat=blk&c4comp=gt&c4val=5&order_by=pts
Cwebb is the only other player with 20/20/10/6/3. Also, screw Elias, not telling the world about Webber.
Harden's comps here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com...l=6&c4stat=stl&c4comp=gt&c4val=3&order_by=pts
Both are ridiculous all around stat lines. Look at the company they're keeping. But DMC wins on rarity.
IfAt1st
Starter
That's a great frigging point.
If the NBA were fair and unbiased in their coverage, there';s no way in hell they shouldn;t be blowing up Demarcus' stats and making a huge deal out of it. It was a competitive game, close enough to "matter", and it was historic numbers.
NO WAY should it be a relative footnote in the game.
The NBA is so blatantly obvious in their star-creating and maintaining biases, it's ridiculous.
BTW - Harden got quite a few touch calls called for him (as always), and Demarcus gets mauled regularly without any call. Equal out those disparities, let Demarcus get the benefit of touch fouls, and he'd be a freaking superstar, too.
IfAt1st
Starter
So how did Elias Sports miss CWebb's statline?
rhythmless
Starter
It's a good question. I'd like to know as well. Makes it more interesting in terms of NBA trivia: Kings have the only 2 players to ever record 20/20/10/5/3
Maybe you've heard of him by the name he changed to, in the seventies:
Roger Murdock.
'89 Kings Fan
Bench
You've said a lot of... silly.... things over the years, but this just takes the cake. I look forward to picking your stat thread apart as I always do.
Before tonight Cousins had a Defensive FG% at the rim of 48% 230/478
In games vs us Marc Gasol was sitting at 59% 22/37 which places him between Tyler Zeller and Ryan Anderson.
If you're curious who owned us this year, that would be Ibaka 18% 6/34
twslam07
All-Star
We're missing stability. You can have all of the talent in the world, but if you don't have stability within your franchise, you're going nowhere.
Stability and chemistry are two of the most overlooked factors when building a successful team.
- Get the coach you want and keep him around for awhile. It'll allow him to instill his schemes/philosophies and giving it time will allow players to master, perfect, and maximize that playing style.
- Get the players you want and allow them to play together for awhile. It'll allow them to learn each others tendencies and help the players play more as a team.
Well played.
Get the coach you want. Check.
Get the players you want. Work in progress.
While the Kings did struggle mightily PK, it's pretty obvious the stability of which you speak is already showing vast improvement.
twslam07
All-Star
Correct, we apparently have the coach we want, but the point is these things take time. We went through a year of Malone before players started to get on board with what Malone was preaching. It might not take as long with Karl, but there will always be an adjustment period with a new coach. The longer Karl sticks around, the better we should play.
Now one can argue that a different coach would result in a better overall team when it's all said and done (meaning after significant time with the team, a different coach would be able to get more out of the core roster with his schemes and philosophies). However, a team of players that knows the coach's schemes and philosophies will always play better than a team of players that does not know the coach's schemes and philosophies.
Again, stability, chemistry, mastering systems, etc. is not an overnight thing. We should treat it as such.
IfAt1st
Starter
Things not mentioned about this game:
* Kayte's post-game interview question to Karl was very intriguing.
I think she basically was kinda challenging coach about how many steal attempts the Kings are making, leading to easy buckets when they miss. She seemed to be questioning the philosophy of cheating for steals (in the attempt to spring your pacey offense) instead of just playing solid, no-lunging defense.
* That last play - whoof.
What was the playcall there? Anyone know? There didn't seem to be much attempt to score 4 points in those last seconds whatsoever.
* Karl is looking pretty bad still. His right eye was so bloodshot, I can't imagine he's in good health.
* Kayte's post-game interview question to Karl was very intriguing.
I think she basically was kinda challenging coach about how many steal attempts the Kings are making, leading to easy buckets when they miss. She seemed to be questioning the philosophy of cheating for steals (in the attempt to spring your pacey offense) instead of just playing solid, no-lunging defense.
* That last play - whoof.
What was the playcall there? Anyone know? There didn't seem to be much attempt to score 4 points in those last seconds whatsoever.
* Karl is looking pretty bad still. His right eye was so bloodshot, I can't imagine he's in good health.
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