[Grades] Grades v. Rockets 4/1/2015

Ignoring results (i.e., if both had won), who had the better night?

  • Cousins 24pts (11-25FG) 21reb 10ast 3stl 6blk 5TO

    Votes: 38 77.6%
  • Harden 51pts (16-25FG) 8reb 6ast 3stl 0blk 7TO

    Votes: 11 22.4%

  • Total voters
    49

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Boogie goes for 39 and 24. First guy since Webber to put up those numbers in NBA. We lose.

A few weeks go by.

Boogie goes for 39 and 20 (3rd guy in modern era with 2 39 and 20s in same season). We lose.

Takes a night off.

Comes back and goes for 24pts 21reb 10ast 6blk 3stl. Becomes the first guy since Webber in 1999 to put up 20-20-10-5. We lose.

What's this man got to do?

*grumble* *grumble* something about not mattering if you score 111 if the other team scores 115 *grumble*...

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Kings-Rockets: 1st game in NBA history in which 1 player scored 50 and opponent had a 20-20-10 game of any combination (via @eliassports)


Boxscore

Stats: 38min 18pts (8-17, 0-2, 2-2) 7reb 4ast 3stl 0blk 5TO
Summary: Hustled and made contributions running the floor, but defense and ballhandling were a mess.

Casspi ( B ) -- started the game in fugly fashion fumbling and bumbling the ball all over the court. This was his old team of course, so maybe he wanted to show well and was just pressing. Twice he seemed to lose track of Ariza as well as Trevor joined Harden in bombing us in the first half. But on this night the sloppy play was joined by big effort, and Omri was all over the court, for good and bad. Almost every shot he hit was a layup on the break or taking a pass backdoor. In the first half in particular he was helping Cuz control things on the glass. He notched steals, set Cuz up for a big dunk on the break. He made a lot of contributions, and missing Rudy on the night, Omri's 18pts 7reb 4ast 3stl line could easily have been a Rudy line. Unfortunately there were just too many mistakes, and then down the stretch we made the fateful decision to try to slow the Harden express by having Omri guard him for the stretch run. He tried to get up into him, and on one possession did get a poke steal and dunk down the other way. But mostly he just was not quick enough as Harden got around him repeatedly and scored most of his final 12-15 points against Omri.

Stats: 21min 10pts (5-10, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 0ast 0stl 2blk 0TO
Summary: had one stretch of effective play running and taking passes for easy hoops but refused to pass himself.

Landry ( B- ) -- were it not for a couple of good interior defensive plays in the early going you would have to call this one of Carl's normal offensively one dimensional games (even 2 of his 4 rebs came on one embarrassing sequence where he got blocked 3 times on the possession by Terrence Jones). Carl's no speedster, but he knows how to make himself available, and his 10 points all came on relatively easy looks, slipping screens, running the floor, and either knocking down open midrange jumpers or hitting layups. Had that been the extent of what he did it would have been a very efficient night, but unfortunately Carl also took bimself right into the teeth of the defense on several occasions, and to put it delicately, got the crap blocked out of him. Repeatedly. The worst sequence involved him getting blocked not once, not twice, but THREE times on a single possession by Terrence Jones, and Carl just has never had any kind of vision to kick the ball out when being swarmed. He got blocked again just before half, and only played about half a quarter in the third before being replaced by the more effective JT. Given his recent complete non-use, you have to call this something better however. There was a little defense early, and while he would be about the only King not taking part in the passing game, he did finish off a number of those passes to get the passers assists.

Stats: 39min 24pts (11-25, 0-0, 2-6) 21reb 10ast 3stl 6blk 5TO
Summary: everytime he takes the floor anymore it sends people racing to the recordbooks. Webber was the last with a 20-20-10-5 game.

Cousins ( A ) -- actually started this game off slow offensively, and as the Rockets threatened to blow us out you were thinking we don't have a chance unless the big guy gets going. But the funny thing was if you were watching closely he WAS going. He looked almost tired out there, almost unwilling to just go muscle on muscle with Dorsey, and yet from the beginning he was creating all our early offense with little passes, and while not scoring, also making our best defensive plays -- a blocked shot, a steal to start a break, took a charge. And while waiting for the offense to finally come online late in the half, instead he was racking up assists, steals, blocks (5 of them in the first half) -- this is how you fill up a statsheet. Out of a Rockets time out in the mid 2nd, stepped in front for a steal, and started the break. Got out on another one and took the pass from Omri for a running dunk. A basic jumper in the early 3rd actually got us the lead after being down 19 in the 2nd. There were some physical hijinks inside with Dorsey and Jones, and after a big muscle finish +1 Cuz kissed his bicep in thanks. Well...I say +1, but not on this night. Despite scoring 24, his offense was just off somehow. He didn't get lot of finishes, the jumper did not look comfortable, and even his FTs were fugly. Whatever the brilliance of the overall game, assists aside (and you don't set 10 assists aside as a center) this really was not a brilliant offensive game. Really began thumping the boards after half, and notched his 10th assist on a backcut play with Omri in the final 2 minutes -- an effective play, but one we had just tried with JT the last time, and it made me wonder if Coach Karl did not know where Boogie was standing assistwise. And if he did, good on him. So anyway, 24pts 21reb 10ast 6blk 3stl....ho hum. Ho hum enough that the 11-25 shooting and 5 TOs keep the "+" off I guess. But if history is any kind, and barring a repeat by Boogie himself, we will all be significantly older and greyer before we see a statline like that put up again.

Stats: 31min 14pts (6-10, 2-3, 0-0) 4reb 2ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
Summary: when your man scores 51, obviously not great. But speed helped on the break, hit some threes, had flashes of D.

McLemore ( C ) -- okay, Ben had 14pts. His man had 51. Ben also has bad hands and is probably never going to be able to dribble in traffic. But crazy as it may seem Ben did some good things out there at times, and of Harden's 51, probably "only" about 20 or so were directly on Ben. This game was played at a breakneck pace, and of course for Ben that means he's going to get some raceouts. He had a tough up and under n the early going, a straight runout in the 2nd. Anemic production in the face of Harden's onslaught, but Harden didn't really get going himself until Nik and DWill came in and started covering him. In the late 2nd Ben came up with some big athletic defensive plays including a block on Harden, scooping up a steal and getting it ahead to Casspi for his own breakout etc. In the early 3rd he briefly was smothering Harden, and got a couple of threes on kickouts. But defensive mistakes mounted. Just dumb ones wandering off of Harden or going under screens on him, and once Harden started pouring it on again Karl decided to try a switchup, and went to Omri instead down the stretch on Harden. That's didn't really slow Harden, but I'm not sure I remember Ariza or Terry scoring on Ben late. In any case, looked at in a vacuum and ignoring that the 37pt beatdown we received at this position was absolutely what killed us, Ben did some things tonight. I just don't know how you can truly look at it in that sort of vaccum, especially not when we're off hiding Ben from the opposing SG late in the game, and that's got to be reflected in the grades somewhere.

Stats: 35min 14pts (5-6, 2-3, 2-4) 3reb 6ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
Summary: early on could not run the team, but could take passes for scores. Began to take advantage of Terry after half.

McCallum ( B- ) -- in the early going as Houston came out opening a big lead Ray wasn't really able to run the team at all the other way as we threw the ball all over the gym, but he was providing many of our early points letting Cuz set him up outside and in. And everytime he ended up on a switch on Harden or Ariza things were going bad (on the other hand old man Terry was just chucking up old legs garbage). There continued to be headslapping ballhandling errors, but he settled as we came back (the first of several), started to notch some assists, and was very efficient with his scoring chances through the 2nd and 3rd. Down the stretch, which Ray ran rather than an ineffective Miller, he was scrappy, unfortunately back to sporadically dumb and forcing, and choked a pair of FTs at a bad time in the final 2 min. There was a nice efficient little scoring line here, he definitely outperformed what the Rockets have left post-Beverley. But the assists were paired with an almost equal number of headslapping TOs, and that pair of missed FTs right when you can't miss FTs can't help a grade.
 
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Bench

Stats: 21min 10pts (4-11, 2-2, 0-2) 5reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Williams ( C ) -- first half was totally ineffective, and for some reason a chunk of those Harden points came against him as he kept getting switched. After another stuttering start tot he second half, gave us a DWill styled run -- a couple of threes, and a big dunk on the break. But missed FTs, wasn't able to build on things, and in the end it was a 4-11 night with only little burst from the late 3rd to early 4th.

Stats: 17min 5pts (2-6, 1-3, 0-0) 2reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Stauskas ( D ) -- bad. Bad bad. He hit a three on a Cuz kickout but otherwise? Bad. Struggled on both ends, forcing and getting stripped on offense, and on defense...Harden chewtoyed him, and he left Ariza alone in the corner for a three. rough estimate is that he got outscored maybe 15-18 to 5 in this one, and its there in his +/-. Just did not get it done, and one of those depressing maybe he's just not talented enough looks for him.

Stats: 21min 16pts (7-9, 0-0, 2-2) 10reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thompson ( ) -- strong game, although not as strong as the numbers.

Stats: 13min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Miller ( ) --

Stats: 5min 0pts (0-2, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Wear ( INC ) -- felt sorry for him really, got in at the end of the first and stayed through the early 2nd, but was just inept, couldn't get his shots to fall, couldn't impact defensively, fumbled a board out of bounds. For a guy at his level...these could be his only chances, you don't know. And neither did he, and he looked like he badly wanted to do better and just could not.,

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Tough call on the better night, but you go Cuz. 51 points on 25 shots is just stupid good from Harden and the 8 boards, 6 ast is pretty standardish in a Harden night. Both guys had tons of TO's.

Cuz 20 boards, 10 ast, 6 blks, 3 stls is NOT a standard night and there are like 2 other guys in the NBA capable of putting up that stat-line.

Just a pair of tremendous performances.
 
We should be so fortunate to be watching Cousins on the Kings and not on another team. We need to cherish him as long as he is here, because who knows when God's plan will strike upon the city of Sacramento.
 
We should be so fortunate to be watching Cousins on the Kings and not on another team. We need to cherish him as long as he is here, because who knows when God's plan will strike upon the city of Sacramento.
I agree. Cousins on a team with a bunch of not scrubs, but not very good NBA players make me sad.
 
One thing I've noticed is that Cuz is doing a better job avoiding foul trouble. It's a mixed bag result, since we are seeing both historic numbers from him AND a more porous defense.
 
It's insane the level of talent this guy has. With better shooters around him, could see him averaging 27/15/5 in a couple years. He's also arguably a top 5 defensive center.

Games like these really put the pressure on our FO and owner to fix this thing, this summer. Just can't waste a talent like this and at a certain point, a talent like this won't allow himself to go wasted. But with the apparent cleaning out of some of the dissension/incompetence in our FO, I'm hopeful good things are coming.

Moral victories only mean so much.
 
Harden because they won, but both carry their teams. The difference between Harden and Cousins is that Harden is just surrounded by shooters and he is an elite penetrator. Cousins just has a bad team around him, especially without Gay and Collison. I think the thing that is going unnoticed is that Cousins has become a near elite rim protector(or really paint protector, which is more important, what Duncan is). Our constant crapiness is the product of a terrible front office, Cousins is a top 5 or 6 talent( Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Davis, Cousins is your current top 7 players in the world). We really should be at least competing for the 8th seed, if it doesn't come to fruition next season, Cousins is gone and really he should be. We don't deserve him.
 
It's insane the level of talent this guy has. With better shooters around him, could see him averaging 27/15/5 in a couple years. He's also arguably a top 5 defensive center.

Games like these really put the pressure on our FO and owner to fix this thing, this summer. Just can't waste a talent like this and at a certain point, a talent like this won't allow himself to go wasted. But with the apparent cleaning out of some of the dissension/incompetence in our FO, I'm hopeful good things are coming.

Moral victories only mean so much.

we'll see if vivek wakes the F up this summer and keeps his hands out of the cookie jar.
 
We need a wing defender on this team, it is no surprise that SG's tend to light us up more than any other position. Mclemore needs to get stronger, he's a decent defender but tends to get bullied pretty easily by most NBA SG's. McLemore also has really bad hands, which really makes me question his potential. At his best he will be a off the ball scorer like Kevin Martin or Peja but if he's bobbling balls left and right it takes away the cuts that can take advantage of his quickness. I was really bullish on Ben earlier in the year but I've seen a ton of red flags of late.
 
We need a wing defender on this team, it is no surprise that SG's tend to light us up more than any other position. Mclemore needs to get stronger, he's a decent defender but tends to get bullied pretty easily by most NBA SG's. McLemore also has really bad hands, which really makes me question his potential. At his best he will be a off the ball scorer like Kevin Martin or Peja but if he's bobbling balls left and right it takes away the cuts that can take advantage of his quickness. I was really bullish on Ben earlier in the year but I've seen a ton of red flags of late.

Shooting guards have abused the Kings all season long. Give me Stanley Johnson to lock these guys up with his size and strength.
 
These monster games always lead to losses. I think Cuz needs to be less selfish.










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One thing is for sure, if you are going to play up tempo you need to have more talent than what the Kings can put on the floor right now. More possessions in a game typically favor the more talented team. Without Rudy and Darren this team just doesn't have the combination of experience and/or talent you need to pull games out. They still competed in this one though and that was some beautiful ball in the 2nd considering these are the dog days of the season. I can't wait to see what they look like with Collison and Gay back in the picture.
 
I don't want Derrick Williams back, he has shown some nice flashes and is always prime for a highlight dunk, but there are just too many cons to his game. Terrible decision maker, terrible off the dribble, really bad defender. His only saving graces are the highlight dunks and streaky 3 pt shot. Not worth bringing back, a perennial losing type basketball player imo. Casspi on the cheap should come back though, not perfect but he usually does more positive than negative, just wish his 3 point shooting would get better.
 
Shooting guards have abused the Kings all season long. Give me Stanley Johnson to lock these guys up with his size and strength.


With the way Karl wants to play defensively you could possibly see Johnson locking up anyone from SG to PF. He'd be a good choice IMO.
 
Karl obviously doesn't know what he's doing with Boogie, am I right guys? :p

Dominant two-way performance. Lets get a winning team around him already.
 
We need a wing defender on this team, it is no surprise that SG's tend to light us up more than any other position. Mclemore needs to get stronger, he's a decent defender but tends to get bullied pretty easily by most NBA SG's. McLemore also has really bad hands, which really makes me question his potential. At his best he will be a off the ball scorer like Kevin Martin or Peja but if he's bobbling balls left and right it takes away the cuts that can take advantage of his quickness. I was really bullish on Ben earlier in the year but I've seen a ton of red flags of late.

I think Darren Collison has that role down pretty well.

At this point, we need a legit two-way NBA player. We nee maximum talent right now, and have a flexible enough roster (with few enough key players) to be able to plug in at any position.
 
It's insane the level of talent this guy has. With better shooters around him, could see him averaging 27/15/5 in a couple years. He's also arguably a top 5 defensive center.

Games like these really put the pressure on our FO and owner to fix this thing, this summer. Just can't waste a talent like this and at a certain point, a talent like this won't allow himself to go wasted. But with the apparent cleaning out of some of the dissension/incompetence in our FO, I'm hopeful good things are coming.

Moral victories only mean so much.

In no order of all guys I'd take over Cuz to anchor my defense,

Marc, Tyson, Joakim, Howard, Gobert (yea, already putting him as a top dude), Horford, DeAndre, Duncan, Hibbert

arguable- Drummond, Whiteside

Not at all wanting to put a damper on Cuz beast night, but he's not in the conversation of being a top defensive C yet. Although he's certainly starting to make waves under Karl on that end.
 
These monster games always lead to losses. I think Cuz needs to be less selfish.










;)


One thing is for sure, if you are going to play up tempo you need to have more talent than what the Kings can put on the floor right now. More possessions in a game typically favor the more talented team. Without Rudy and Darren this team just doesn't have the combination of experience and/or talent you need to pull games out. They still competed in this one though and that was some beautiful ball in the 2nd considering these are the dog days of the season. I can't wait to see what they look like with Collison and Gay back in the picture.

Thing is, with Rudy and DC we ARE good enough to make waves. The role guys played damn good for 4-9 rotational players. We just need our 2-3 back.
 
In no order of all guys I'd take over Cuz to anchor my defense,

Marc, Tyson, Joakim, Howard, Gobert (yea, already putting him as a top dude), Horford, DeAndre, Duncan, Hibbert

arguable- Drummond, Whiteside

Not at all wanting to put a damper on Cuz beast night, but he's not in the conversation of being a top defensive C yet. Although he's certainly starting to make waves under Karl on that end.

Guess that is a list of better D centers based on the memory of the glory past.
Joakim, Howard, Tyson and Duncan are not even close to Cousins anymore due to injuries and old age (none of which seems to be curable for those guys).

I would put DeAndre as the only one clearly ahead.
Everybody else is more than arguable.
 
In no order of all guys I'd take over Cuz to anchor my defense,

Marc, Tyson, Joakim, Howard, Gobert (yea, already putting him as a top dude), Horford, DeAndre, Duncan, Hibbert

arguable- Drummond, Whiteside

Not at all wanting to put a damper on Cuz beast night, but he's not in the conversation of being a top defensive C yet. Although he's certainly starting to make waves under Karl on that end.
Kings allow 1.045 ppp on D with Boogie (1.163 without him) and that's including the period of time, when no one gave a damn on this team about anything.
Noah - 1.048 ppp
Horford - 1.050 ppp
Chandler - 1.057 ppp
Whiteside - 1.062 ppp
Hibbert - 1.068 ppp
Gobert - 1.068 ppp
Deandre - 1.089 ppp, and they are actually better defensively without him, and have the same control over defensive glass, whether Jordan is on the floor or not.
Drummond - 1.088 ppp

Only Howard (his sidekick PF just got himself a 7block game, and they also field Ariza and Beverley for defensive purposes) and Duncan (has the best pair of defensive wings) are anchoring better defensive units, and again this is overall ranking on the barely up and hugely down year. While Malone was still coaching healthy Boogie, Kings had best defensive starting five in the League. DFC is strongly in the conversation for top5.

P.S. Andrew Bogut feels disrespected.
 
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In no order of all guys I'd take over Cuz to anchor my defense,

Marc, Tyson, Joakim, Howard, Gobert (yea, already putting him as a top dude), Horford, DeAndre, Duncan, Hibbert

arguable- Drummond, Whiteside

Not at all wanting to put a damper on Cuz beast night, but he's not in the conversation of being a top defensive C yet. Although he's certainly starting to make waves under Karl on that end.

Noah, Howard, and Duncan are all old and/or breaking down from injuries, and severely declining in play.

Horford, Hibbert, and Drummond aren't even specially good defenders. Horford is somewhat decent but nothing special. Hibbert is facepalmingly, cripplingly, hair-tearingly one-dimensional and utterly immobile. Drummond has zero grasp of offensive or defensive fundamentals and relies solely on his size and athletic talents to be effective.

Whiteside and Gobert are relatively unproven. They may yet become better defensive players, but SSS.

Gasol, Chandler and Deandre are legitimately great defenders, and can be classified above DeMarcus without much argument.
 
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Boogie goes for 39 and 24. First guy since Webber to put up those numbers in NBA. We lose.

A few weeks go by.

Boogie goes for 39 and 20 (3rd guy in modern era with 2 39 and 20s in same season). We lose.

Takes a night off.

Comes back and goes for 24pts 21reb 10ast 6blk 3stl. Becomes the first guy since Webber in 1999 to put up 20-20-10-5. We lose.

What's this man got to do?

*grumble* *grumble* something about not mattering if you score 11 if the other team scores 115 *grumble*...

He's looking more and more dominant every time we turn around. Amazing what a difference a real coach can make. Now if the front office can just get a few more pieces to put around our franchise center, we're gonna be real interesting.
 
I don't want Derrick Williams back, he has shown some nice flashes and is always prime for a highlight dunk, but there are just too many cons to his game. Terrible decision maker, terrible off the dribble, really bad defender. His only saving graces are the highlight dunks and streaky 3 pt shot. Not worth bringing back, a perennial losing type basketball player imo. Casspi on the cheap should come back though, not perfect but he usually does more positive than negative, just wish his 3 point shooting would get better.

I think Derrick Williams has a place, but only in limited doses. Leave him out there too long at any one time and ... stupid happens.
 
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