[Grades] Grades v. Rockets 12/31/2013

Which performance could we not have lived without tonight?

  • Gay

    Votes: 9 14.8%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 44 72.1%
  • McLemore

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • Fredette

    Votes: 4 6.6%

  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Tee hee.

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Tonight was...eventful. Lambs became wolves, wolves became...well bigger wolves. Cousins looked like fouls had killed his game before half, he was being stationed out near the three point line as a bleeping decoy for much of the night, then after half he wiped away any notion that Dwight Howard has anything on him, and basically just won the game for us down the stretch. Our SGs, yes those ugly smelly scrawny things the league irrationally forces you to put on the floor, came out of nowhere for some of their best offensive work of the season. Then they proceeded to get LIT UP by James Harden...despite really at times not playing terrible defense. Isaiah Thomas passed first, gunned stupidly, Jimmer Fredette was actually deemed the better point guard for us to run down the stretch until the very end of the game, when of course IT came back and hit two big shots...then got beat on D and took another dumb one. None of the standard comments worked tonight. Whenever you thought you had it figured out, something else happened. Oh, and we won again. We had a real shot to knock off the Heat, the Spurs in their building, and now the Rockets in their building. Interesting way to close 2013 no?

Your Consoritum Graders tonight:
Bricklayer
Bajaden
Henkel
Uncia03


And for one night only, welcome Consortium Guest Grader: The Jamal!

Boxscore

Stats: 42min 25pts (9-19, 1-4, 6-6) 6reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Gay ( A ) -- Gay was excellent on both ends of the floor tonight. A key to beating Houston is you have to limit the shooting and playmaking ability of Chandler Parsons. And Gay did that and more tonight limiting Parsons to 1-7 on 3s, committed 3 Turnovers, 4 fouls, and only 1 assist. As far as the 11 points Parsons did score, I only counted 4 against Gay. The only miscues I saw all night was he lost track of Parsons cutting to the rim twice in a row that lead to an easy dunk and 2 missed FT's. Just an excellent defensive night, making one of the better SF’s in the league be a total non-factor. Offensively, it was sort of a tale of two-halves with a few great moments thrown in the 2nd half. He had fantastic scoring numbers in the 1st half with 17 points on 6/9 shooting and 4/4 FTA. Parsons simply could not contain him on any spot of the floor. He was our top guy and a big reason we held a lead at the break. He got frozen out a bit at the beginning of the third as Cuz and IT started looking for their own offense, but was also missing easy shots that he was getting. After a 6/9 start, he ended the 3rd being 7/14. A big key though was that he did not let up on the defensive end and let Parsons get going. A few big plays in the 4th helped us reclaim the lead. He hit a few tough jumpers over Parsons that weren’t really great shots, but he made them. One of the plays of the night for me was the baseline kick out to a wide-open Ben to pull us within 3. After that play, IT and Cousins proceeded to take over. Iced the game when he hit 2 FT’s at the end for us to go up 6 with 10 seconds to go. He was our 2nd best player next to Cuz tonight. He played great defense in limiting a tough assignment Parsons the whole game, carried the offense in the 1st half and made some crucial offensive plays and shots in the 2nd half when we needed him to. Add in a road win against a playoff team that was 13-4 at home before tonight, and there's no reason Rudy didn't deserve an A--Jamal

Stats: 28min 8pts (3-3, 0-0, 2-2) 3reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Thompson ( C+ ) -- I had probably the easiest grading job of anybody last night and I'm late. Apologies. So Jason...was Jason. Notice the shot attempts. Unfortunately notice the rebounding. His little 3-3 8pt scoring line wasn't just putbacks: he still has a little skill we like to use a little bit then ignore. Hit a little roleplaying faceup jumper in the early going, came out to start the third and pinned the undersized Jones inside and dropped a nice little half hook over him. Don't actually remember the third shot, but it likely was more of the same. Really his biggest job should have been to contain Terrence Jones, but he barely did that, as Jones clearly outplayed him . And while having to chase Jones around on the perimeter might be SOME excuse for the lack of baordwork, the fact of the matter is that our entire team except for Cousins was lazy on that end. Jones was out on the perimeter too, but he still manages to get back and help on the defensive glass. But this wasn't a bad performance by Jason so much as a largely invisible one. He stepped forward in the first half and gave us some solid minutes battling Howard when Cuz got himself in foul trouble (and during the second half helped on Howard with that big/big frontline effect where Dwight could never get a favorable matchup). Earned another technical with a snitfit after picking up his 4th in the mid third quarter, but was still back with 7 minutes to go to replace the wildly ineffective DWill. And he was just...there for from that point out. Never turned it over, never missed a shot, he wasn't awful. Just the invisible man. I could go lower for the rebounding. I could go higher for the excellent stay out of the way roleplayerness. But going to chink it a bit to reflect another dumb technical. I think Jason may know his Kings days are numbered, but even if he didn't showing that lack of composure is not a way to endear yourself to Malone.--Brick

Stats: 33min 17pts (7-13, 0-0, 3-4) 16reb 2ast 4stl 1blk 4TO
Cousins ( A- ) -- At first I was going to give Cuz a B+, but then I decided that it was New Years, and without his performance in the 4th quarter, we certainly wouldn't have won the game. Its hard to sit here and write that this wasn't one of Cousins best games, especially when you look at the stats. But that in itself shows the level he's risen to, and with that, our expectations. He grabbed the first rebound of the game on Houston's first possession. He followed that by bringing the ball up and as he crossed halfcourt, he made a bad pass that resulted in a turnover. On Houston's next possession, Howard posted up, and as he made his move across the key, Cousins knocked the ball out of his hands causing a turnover. A bit later he got called for a questional foul while fighting for a rebound with Howard. Cousins finally scored a layup on a nice pass from McLemore, who had just saved the ball from going out of bounds off a miss from Cousins. In general, Cousins played pretty good defense tonight. He took a couple of charges from Harden, and stole the ball twice from Howard, and once from Harden, which he followed with a beautiful outlet pass to McLemore who laid it in. His biggest mistake came when the defense broke down, and Cousins was standing to the left side of the basket as Parsons just stroled down the lane and scored. Very poor effort there. My other big complaint was that for most of the game, he settled for Jumpshots instead of aggressively attacking the basket. In the 4th quarter, he just took over the game. Not just scoring the ball, but with steals, defense. His biggest steal coming with 41 seconds left in the game, that for the most part sealed the deal. His most exciting play came when he stole the ball, went the length of the court and dunked the ball and was fouled. It wasn't a perfect game, but it was the kind of game an all star puts up on his bad night. Happy New Year Boogie! --Baja

Stats: 25min 13pts (5-12, 2-7, 1-2) 4reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
McLemore ( C ) -- It’s nice not having to kill Ben in this grade. After a couple of absolutely dreadful performances by Ben over the last few games it looked as if Coach Malone wanted to get him involved early in the game to see if he could jump-start Ben’s play. And today, it worked. The very first possession Ben came curling hard off a screen and IT found him and instead of the ‘Clank’ we’ve been getting Ben’s 3pt shot hit nothing but net. He then tried to drive into the lane (uh oh) and he slipped, but managed to find JT who was open for the easy 15ft shot. A bit later he dove the baseline hard, and IT put up a pass which wasn’t great but Ben was able to finish with two hands through Harden’s contest for the alley-oop slam. On defense he was playing Harden really well and actually doing one of the best jobs I’ve seen of staying down and keeping himself in front of his man. Ben started this game with a ton of energy and for a brief stretch he was the best player out there on the floor. And then…it got derailed. After 4 minutes of perhaps his best basketball, and certainly his best basketball in weeks, he picked up two quick fouls in 30 seconds and the energy just seemed to leave him. Malone kept him in the game for another 4 minutes and he didn’t pick up his 3rd foul, but he wasn’t as aggressive and energetic as he had been previously. However, when he left the game in the 1st he’d held Harden to 4 points and thoroughly outplayed Harden to that point. He didn’t get back in the game till mid-way through the 2nd quarter, but he only played a single minute till picking up his 3rd foul, at which point he went back to the bench again. In the second half Ben wasn’t nearly as dynamic but he made some crucial plays including hitting a wide open corner 3 after a designed play coming from a time-out and finishing with a lay-up to pretty much seal the game after Cousins stole the ball and got it to him for the easy fast-break lay-up. On defense, even though Harden had a season high in points in this one Ben didn’t play horrible defense. By-and-large he did a good job keeping in front of Harden and as mentioned earlier held Harden to just 4 points in his first outing. Harden just had a really good shooting night and I think that it was the game-plan defensively against him. Harden is shooting a career low from the 3pt line and both Ben and Thornton were going under almost all of the screens and Harden was using that space to knock down a lot of long 3pt attempts. Once those 3pt shots started falling Harden got on a shooting roll and a majority of his scoring was done with a hand in his face. So Ben looked great early, until he picked up the two quick fouls. He played great initial defense, and overall pretty solid, though ineffective defense, and didn’t really hurt us this time out. All in all a much better outing than we’ve seen in quite a while.
--Uncia

Stats: 35min 17pts (6-17, 1-4, 4-6) 1reb 10ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Thomas ( C ) -- Got off to a slow start with his outside shot off and Houston doing a good job clogging the lane on his drives. Had his shot blocked twice in the first quarter. Can't remember the last time that happened. Lin deserves some credit as well. Was physical with IT all night and managed to get under his skin. Was doing a nice job running the offense and with Lin not looking to score early things weren't as bad as the ugly shooting numbers would lead you to believe. Rough third quarter for Isaiah as Lins defensive style was clearly frustrating him. Still wasn't able to find his shot and unlike in the first half wasn't creating much offense either. Sat for a long time, too long if you ask me, and came back in well into the fourth. Had a nice drive then a big three with the game very much in doubt. On the other end Lin was being more aggressive and getting into the lane for a couple baskets inside. Still overall it was a nice finish in a game we really had to win. Nice to see us get some production outside of the big three and manage a quality win in spite of a mediocre game from IT.--Henkel
 
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Bench

Stats: 8min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Gray ( INC ) -- Hard to really grade Gray. He played 8 minutes, but took no shots, and grabbed 2 boards. His most memorable moment came when he set a pick for IT and probably gave a Lin a concussion. It looked like Lin ran into a brick wall. He also played decent defense on Howard on a couple of occasions. But he really didn't do enough in such a short time, through no fault of his own, to warrant a grade. --Baja

Stats: 20min 15pts (6-9, 3-5, 0-0) 3reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thornton ( B ) -- Thornton decided to follow in Ben’s footsteps and did a great job making a positive impact in this game. He knocked down his first shot, which was a catch-and-shoot 3pt basket, and then followed that with a strong take to the basket. Like Ben he played good penetration denial defense against Harden, but did make some mistakes, including helping on a Casspi cut while letting Harden wide open for a 3pt bucket. He also went under Howard’s screens (which looked to be the game plan) which allowed Harden to knock down long 3pt jumpers which seemed to be the thing that sparked Harden’s good shooting. He played four minutes in the 1st quarter and almost all of the 2nd quarter and finished the half with 15 points. He got limited minutes in the 2nd half and didn’t play at all in the 4th quarter and finished the game with 15 points, but the 15 points he gave the team on great shooting was critical in allowing the Kings to keep pace with the Rockets. Like Ben he didn’t necessarily play poor defense because Harden seemed to hit jumper after jumper with a hand in his face. Thornton’s scoring was better than we’ve seen in a while and though his defense wasn’t as effective as I’d like, his overall contribution was quite positive in this one. --Uncia

Stats: 19min 0pts (0-1, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 2ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
Williams ( F ) -- no one has been hit harder by the new Cuz/Gay/IT regime than DWill, who scored 31pts for us the night after the Gay trade, and has just completely disappeared into the cracks ever since being banished to touchless bench duty behind Gay+JT. Ragged early 2nd quarter minutes where he wasn't patient awaiting shot attemtps that might not come (and indeed did not -- he got 1 shot in 19min) and so tried to create off his own dribble to ugly effect. Got stripped inside in heavy traffic after Acy dumped it to him under the hoop. Came back in at the end of the third and drew his teammates ire with some lack of defensive hustle and boardwork. Generally got his butt kicked by Casspi on the glass during his second stint. Finally notably blocked Casspi off the glass with 9min to go, but then shuffled his feet underneath the hoop next time down the floor on offense and was rapidly subbed back out for JT. With all the shots being munched up we've taken to a lot of apology grades where you don't give a guy an F because basically they aren't ever touching the ball so how could they do anything? But when DWill did touch the ball tonight, bad things followed. He wasn't on the glass. And aside forma coupel of early passes if you aren't going to give a former #1 pick an F for a 0pt 1reb effort, when are you? --Brick

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Outlaw ( INC ) -- Tempting to give him an F for the all-around goose egg performance and missing at least 3 easy rebounds, but 7 minutes really isn’t enough to qualify him for a grade. He was invisible in his limited minutes and was quickly pulled in the 4th after proceeding to let the Rockets take turns getting rebounds over him --Jamal

Stats: 13min 10pts (4-8, 0-2, 2-2) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Fredette ( B- ) -- Made some shots. Nothing else but when you're up against Brooks and the rest of that sorry Houston bench it's enough to be considered a success. Didn't like how long he stayed in there late, luckily for some reason Brooks got a good run late as well so two bad coaching moves cancel each other out I suppose. Lets hope he keeps it up long enough for another gm to take a shot. --Henkel

Stats: 9min 5pts (2-3, 0-0, 1-1) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Acy ( C ) -- Quincy only played 9 minutes, but you knew he was on the floor for those 9 minutes. In his first stint at the beginning of the 2nd quarter, he got stuck trying to guard Howard, and it didn't go too well. He let Howard get the ball too close to the basket, and there just wasn't much Acy could do at that point. He left the game at the 8:54 mark of the 2nd quarter. He came back in briefly to close the 2nd quarter and did a great job on Howard, but first denying him the ball in the low post, and when Howard finally got the ball, some 10 feet from the basket, he held his ground, and forced Howard into a fall away shot that missed badly. In the second half, he came in for JT and did a great job of defending Terrence Jones. He did get to score a little. Once in the first half when he dunked off a nice lead pass from Thornton, and he was fouled. And once again in the second half off a nice pass from Cousins. So although he only played 9 minutes, he did impact the game.--Baja
 
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I didn't think 2013 could bring any more excitement to Kings fans...

I was wrong. Tonight pretty much made it clear that Demarcus Freaking Cousins is not gonna be intimidated by any guy who can dunk wearing a Superman cloak. Total domination...and Howard knew it.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!
 
Gay kept us in it for 3 quarters and Cousins blew the game apart in the 4th (in a good way), also both guys when they were on there man completely shut them down.
 
I didn't think 2013 could bring any more excitement to Kings fans...

I was wrong. Tonight pretty much made it clear that Demarcus Freaking Cousins is not gonna be intimidated by any guy who can dunk wearing a Superman cloak. Total domination...and Howard knew it.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!
Well, the real super man is his mentor and likely tells him that, "Dwight ain't ****" on a regular basis.

Not to imply that Cuz wouldn't have or didn't come to that conclusion on his own.
 
Big guy best tonight for winning the marquee matchup. I can't wait for these wins to become commonplace so we don't have to storm the court after every win.
 
Is anyone geting discouraged by Williams? I am. He seems like such a great athlete but his contributions are not big at all. I'm sure the excuse will be that Rudy is here but I kinda doubt it. I don't fault the trade but I'd really like to have Mbah a Moute right now.
 
Well, the real super man is his mentor and likely tells him that, "Dwight ain't ****" on a regular basis.

Not to imply that Cuz wouldn't have or didn't come to that conclusion on his own.

Well said. As we have found out over the last few years Dwight Howard is a spoiled child that folds under pressure. When you actually put Dwight up against somebody that can come close to matching him physically (with talent and a strong willpower) he always fails. I'd imagine over the course of their careers Cousins is going to get the better of Dwight on a regular basis.

Despite his immense physical skills, Dwight Howard at his core is a "natural loser" and the other good big men around the league know it.....hence the reason the few other good big men around the league always play so well against Howard (while he plays poorly). Shaq knows the truth about Dwight and Kobe/D'Antoni do too. Stan Van Gundy knew it and I think Kevin McHale knows it too but at least for now he has to put on the happy face until Dwight inevitably folds under the pressure of rising expectations in Houston.

Long story short, Demarcus Cousins future as the #1 Center in the NBA won't be impeded by Dwight Howard.
 
Is anyone geting discouraged by Williams? I am. He seems like such a great athlete but his contributions are not big at all. I'm sure the excuse will be that Rudy is here but I kinda doubt it.
I don't. Some players, for whatever reason, only seem to be capable of contributing as starters. Personally, I attribute it to a deficiency in their professionalism, but YMMV.
 
Is anyone geting discouraged by Williams? I am. He seems like such a great athlete but his contributions are not big at all. I'm sure the excuse will be that Rudy is here but I kinda doubt it. I don't fault the trade but I'd really like to have Mbah a Moute right now.

I'm not. I think he had just a moment to see himself in one role before the second trade went down and his role shifted. From what I've seen thus far, I think he'll end up being a pretty good player off the bench once the team has a chance to develop a rapport with each other and figure out how they can complement each other's games. I'm beginning to have a LOT of trust in Malone.
 
I voted for Cousins, but really everyone played their part. Gay hit shots at the right times to halt Houston's momentum, Ben hit some big shots, Isaiah made big plays, Thornton was key in the first half, even Jimmer had a nice stint in the 4th.

Overall though Cousins impressed me the most tonight. If Cousins had the same first half last season he would have faded, gotten in foul trouble and ended up with a 9 pt 7 reb in 22 min type stat line. Instead the second half turned into really a battle of Titans down low between Howard and Cousins with both playing the full 24 minutes. Really it was a stalemate until the final 4 minutes and suprisingly Howard(phsyically fit as any center in history) not Cousins was the one that was wearing down. A monster jam in the open court, a quick spin move around Howard and a mans rebound getting position on Howard and putback, not to mention the steal on Harden and great outlet pass to Mac, capped of with the charge on Harden. Every player played their part but Cousins made the big plays.
 
Is anyone geting discouraged by Williams? I am. He seems like such a great athlete but his contributions are not big at all. I'm sure the excuse will be that Rudy is here but I kinda doubt it. I don't fault the trade but I'd really like to have Mbah a Moute right now.

Moute makes more sense after the Gay trade because we need a perimeter stopper. Williams looked good before the Gay trade because we were playing up and down basketball and that suited him and McLemore. With Gay though our half court offense is much better and we aren't running as much. Williams is still an asset though and we can either use him to acquire a player with a better fit, or he can develop a role off the bench.
 
Is anyone geting discouraged by Williams? I am. He seems like such a great athlete but his contributions are not big at all. I'm sure the excuse will be that Rudy is here but I kinda doubt it. I don't fault the trade but I'd really like to have Mbah a Moute right now.
In not making a judgement either way yet but could be a trade that benifitted neither as I don't believe luc has made much of an impact in minny
 
You never know with Luc's knee either. We're just playing that "what if" fantasy scenario of having a healthy LMAM be our ideal defensive stopper we want/need with our current squad.
 
Tonight really confirmed to me that we are going to end this season in the proverbial no mans land of missing the playoffs while not getting an impact pick. Embiid, Parker, wiggins are erased from my vocabulary unless something unusual occurs. Too much talent and too much of an identity developing to compete in losses with the associations worst. I'm not complaining about this as it means we are headed up
 
I'm very pleased with McLemore's performance. I was watching his defense in general and he was making good decisions. I was very surprised to see that we didn't give up a ton of uncontested 3's for once. Instead we gave up about 3 games worth of offensive rebounds.
 
Is anyone geting discouraged by Williams? I am. He seems like such a great athlete but his contributions are not big at all. I'm sure the excuse will be that Rudy is here but I kinda doubt it. I don't fault the trade but I'd really like to have Mbah a Moute right now.

Yeah, it doesn't appear that his flow, rhythm, and shooting touch 'progress', unless he is getting a lot of touches and looks. With the current structure of the offense and our featured players, I don't see how he will have a chance to have the kind of impact that he showed in his first several games with us. Most of the time it looks like he's trying to "stay out of the way" and just create space for the other players on offense.

In other words, unfortunately it appears that we traded an ideal defensive roll player, for a player who is being asked to now be a roll player.. which doesn't fit his game.

If this is how it's going to be, dang it I wish we still had Moute. I like Williams potential and skillset, but only if he can be a focal point on offense with consistent looks. He's not a "roll player" type
 
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Tonight really confirmed to me that we are going to end this season in the proverbial no mans land of missing the playoffs while not getting an impact pick. Embiid, Parker, wiggins are erased from my vocabulary unless something unusual occurs.
You realize that we're still the eighth-worst team in the entire league, right? Not the eighth-worst team in the western conference, the eighth-worst team in the entire league. We're in absolutely no danger of missing out on a top pick. ****, historically, we've got a better chance of getting a Top Three pick with the eighth-worst record than we do with the third-worst record!

EDIT - And, also, this:

As long as we pick 8-10 it won't be a big deal to a team like us. We already have our franchise player at that range Vonleh and WCS are both great pick ups. They fit with DMC and are both defensive players
We've got our franchise guy, already. We may have our #2 guy. We don't necessarily need a Top Three pick, anyway.
 
Tonight really confirmed to me that we are going to end this season in the proverbial no mans land of missing the playoffs while not getting an impact pick. Embiid, Parker, wiggins are erased from my vocabulary unless something unusual occurs. Too much talent and too much of an identity developing to compete in losses with the associations worst. I'm not complaining about this as it means we are headed up

As long as we pick 8-10 it won't be a big deal to a team like us. We already have our franchise player at that range Vonleh and WCS are both great pick ups. They fit with DMC and are both defensive players
 
I thought McLemore played his best defense of the season. Harden was absolutely on tonight I mean he was on fire
 
You never know with Luc's knee either. We're just playing that "what if" fantasy scenario of having a healthy LMAM be our ideal defensive stopper we want/need with our current squad.

For a guy who is a 100% focused and skilled defensive specialist, looking at our current roster, Moute would be very valuable to have right now. Picture him out there at the end of games locking down whoever is hot, while playing with Gay
 
Be nice if we could get that Marcus and that Jimmer every game. Great bench play really takes scoring load off big 3. 20 bench points a night would be huge.
 
Is anyone geting discouraged by Williams? I am. He seems like such a great athlete but his contributions are not big at all. I'm sure the excuse will be that Rudy is here but I kinda doubt it. I don't fault the trade but I'd really like to have Mbah a Moute right now.
I didn't like the trade and I like it less so now with Rudy Gay in town. Mbah a Moute would be a perfect player for this team as currently constructed!

When they get traded, playerrs generally go on a tear for a few games before they come down to earth! Remember when Kenny Thomas looked like C-Webb and got a triple double or when Brian Skinner looked lik Bill Russell there for a while!

I am always nervous when my team is picking up a player that Rick Adelman didn't rate! If anyone can get the best out of the player it's Adelman. He has made some very average players look like good productive players. And before people bring up Gerald Wallace, let's not forget who was in front of him on the depth charts at SF. He was always going to struggle to get minutes for a few years.
 
Huh. I'm almost under the impression that we might be kinda close to being kinda secretly good.

The nerve of these kids.
Well the defense is trying to improve. A little more time together and who knows. We are only going to get better from here and we just beat the world champs, pushed the west champs to the brink on the road then defeated one of the top duos in the nba on the road. We now have 5 straight home games to start the new year against Philly, Charlotte, Portland, Orlando, and Cleveland. Portland is the only team with record above .500

If we can win 4/5 that following 6 game road trip could get interesting. 35 of our next 52 games are against teams with below .500 record. Our first 30 games are split at 15 teams under .500 so our odds get better plus Rudy wasn't here for 20 of the 30. I am not saying we can go 35-17 because we will lose some of those 35. But maybe we can win some of the other 17 as well. I think finishing over .500 is a real possibility.
 
I didn't like the trade and I like it less so now with Rudy Gay in town. Mbah a Moute would be a perfect player for this team as currently constructed!

When they get traded, playerrs generally go on a tear for a few games before they come down to earth! Remember when Kenny Thomas looked like C-Webb and got a triple double or when Brian Skinner looked lik Bill Russell there for a while!

I am always nervous when my team is picking up a player that Rick Adelman didn't rate! If anyone can get the best out of the player it's Adelman. He has made some very average players look like good productive players. And before people bring up Gerald Wallace, let's not forget who was in front of him on the depth charts at SF. He was always going to struggle to get minutes for a few years.
I am currently lobbying for a Williams for Danny Green trade. I will let you know how that works out. Especially with Landry about to come back. I see him getting the backup PF min not Williams. Or a Landry for Asik and a Williams for green would be nice. Then explore Thornton trades for pg. Lowry, jack...ect.
 
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