[Grades] Grades v. Raptors 12/5/2012

How many more wins right now if we had gotten Lowry this summer?

  • Same number

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • 1-2 more

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • 3-4 more

    Votes: 13 35.1%
  • 5-6 more

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • 7+ more

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Fewer wins

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Total voters
    37
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Much needed.

Notes:
1) in case anybody has forgotten, we could have had Kyle Lorwy this offseason. Not an "oh I wish", or a maybe -- it was offered, we rejected to keep our draft pick, so they went and traded him for a lesser one (thus proving we could ahve had him for ours). And you wonder how we remain bad.

2) the only reason this one was close was that we could not find anyplace to hide our little guards all night long. Whoever Brooks guarded became their goto man. When they subbed in Lowry against Jimmer in the 4th it was a slaughter (also btw another reason I wanted Lowry, imagine he and Reke together in the backcourt, where could any team hide their 180lb PG?)

3) Cousins had a big game, largely by keeping it simple. Set up as often as not. Only a couple of wild attempts. Not many jumpers, not many long drives. Stayed in control.

4) Reke came back from the terribly timed injury and the jumper was rebroken...until it came time to win it, when he promptly drained back to back threes to win the game. defense was great throughout.

5) Was less selfish play throughout, and rotations were suddenly much better. See? Maybe you can teach dumb dogs new tricks.

Kingsflix highlights:

Boxscore

Stats: 33min 12pts (4-7, 2-2, 2-2) 2reb 7ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Salmons ( B ) -- amongst the many, MANY things that went wrong Saturday in Clipperland, the sight of John Salmons in full on regression, dribbling around in circles trying to go 1 on 1 like a superstar was one fo the worst. Amongst the many things that looked much better tonight, the sight of John Salmons fully embracing his roleplayer role and notching 7 assists was among the best. He set up Cousins for his first bucket of the game, and set up Reke for his last two, finding him for the back to back backbreaking threes in the final 2 minutes that won this one for us (in an encouraging development, we went to an all defensive Reke/Salmons/JJ backcourt to try to close this out, with Reke and Salmons splitting PG duties, and Salmons setting Reke up for both threes). In between the early and the late there were only a few plays when he overdribbled, most of his scores came on passes from teammates, rather than off this own dribble -- a critical roleplayer requirement -- and he hit back to back threes himself in the late 3rd. Defensively we were playing a lot of games with our three perimeter guys switching assignments, and John was somewhere in between Reke, who was great for much of the night, and Brooks, who was punished all night long. Didn't feel enough punch here to push this any higher, but he played an important supporting, key word there is supporting, role tonight in this win.

Stats: 34min 13pts (6-11, 0-0, 1-1) 10reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thompson ( B- ) -- played a strong first half in which he and Cousins just dominated the Raptors inside, and then almost completely disappeared after half until coming up with a little flip with 50 seconds to go to put us back up 6. Wasn't consistently challenging Bargs on his jumper, but tonight it did not matter as Bargnani was in full on frilly panty mode and completely worthless to the Raps. Meanwhile Jason was just being more physical and outworking the Raps frontline as he and Cuz has something like 25pts 14rebs by halftime. But in th third as the Raps stormed back Jaosn disappeared, and the few attempts we made to get him going with some pick and roll action with Reke ended in messes. Made his way back on the court fairly early in the 4th, as our coach abruptly decided to use normal rotations, and Hayes was too ineffective and TRob too wild to convince him to hold out longer. Generally stayed out of the way again until that play at the :50 mark, when he nearly turned the ball over, but scooped it back up and flipped up the shot to restore our 6 point lead and really pout the heat to the Raps. Real tale of two halves here. First half was a B+ or maybe even A-. Second half much less. Could have called this a flat B, going half a grade less.

Stats: 37min 25pts (11-18, 0-1, 3-3) 13reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 4TO
Cousins ( A- ) -- maybe DeMarcus should have crises of confidence more often. First couple of possessions started shaky again and you were shaking your head as he got blocked in the post to start, then turned it over the next time. But I think his teammates really helped get him giong this time (we were generally more unselfish than our 18 assists would imply), as he was set up by Brooks, then Salmons, then Reke on consecutive possessions for easy layins and dunks, and he was off and rolling. Seemed reluctant to shoot the jumper early, but when he finaly fired, he bounced it in too. Mostly though he and JT just beat the Raptors euro-weenies to death int here, pummeling them on the glass and in the post. And Boogie rarely stepped out of that zone, only making one or two of his wild forces, rarely settling for jumpers, and working the ever more prominent pick and roll sets we have, intermixed with post ups. Had particular success with the latter against Amir Johnson, as he was simply too big and powerful for the tweener PF/C and overwhelmed him repeatedly down the stretch. Like JT had a down stretch in the thrid as the Raptors swarmed and took away our inside game, but unlike JT, DeMarcus stepped back up and was one of the guys carrying us down the stretch -- in fact late in the game was even doing a real nice job defensively getting back in transition, showing on screens and handling switches. In fact really, most of the areas of slop that have been overwhelming his game were addressed tonight. Staying minus here just because despite the big numbers and strong interior work throughout, this maybe felt more extremely solid than completely dominant. But it was still a game to remind all the sudden naysayers why you wait on a talent of this caliber, and hope he figures it out.

Stats: 34min 23pts (7-16, 2-4, 7-12) 2reb 2ast 1stl 2blk 2TO
Evans ( B+ ) -- Reke came back, and about 90% of the good stuff we were seeing the weeks before his injury was still there. He was aggressive yet in control, his defense was flat smothering, we were running stuff through him much more than the assist numbers indicate. But the 10% that wasn't there in the first half was the jumper. Or actually any shot as he was just simply having a bad shooting night whether it be on pullup jumpers, or even his FTs. Thing is, that aside form one force in the first half whee he was just searching and seemed to throw it up out of stubborness more than anything, the jumpers looked pretty good. The game looked pretty good. We had him bouncing around on the perimeter defensively trying to stamp out whichever fires Brooks was starting byb getting torched. He smothered Lowry and forced him into a tunover on the side, stopped a break, added a beautiful little wraparound pass to JT on the break, and the other way when it wasn't a jumper it was a series of seriously aggressive drives. In fact after halftime he largely gave up on the jumper and starting passing on it to just slam inside HARD drawing foul after foul. Think the punishment actually tired him out as you could see him panting by the mid third, and I thought he lost his edge late in that quarter as the Raptors stormed back. Returned pretty much on time in the 4th as Smart was abruptly coaching like nhe was in the NBA, and Thornotn was making it easy for him by having a terrible night. Reke was very strong down the stretch, one embarrassing episode where he waved JT and Cuz out of the post in order to take Amir Johnson 1 on 1 and then lost the dribble and got stripped by the big guy aside. He retied things with a big physical drive, and then picked the perfect time to finally hit a jumper as all of a sudden on back to back plays with 2 minutes to go and the game tied, Salmons found him spotting up at the 3pt line and he drained both shots like they were his shots and he did it all the time. For the cherry on top came up with a nifty defensive play on Lowry (we finally moved him back onto him for the final 3 minutes after Brooks and Jimmer got absolutely torched), flying by him trying to challenge a three point attempt, and then reaching back wiht one of those lng arms to block the shot anyway from behind, politely nicking it as Lowry brought it back behind his head preparing to release. Power (I would actually say distorting power) of 3pt shots on display here, as despiute doing a lot of good things, this grade was going to be held bakc some until the two big backbreaking threes. But with them all of a sudden he notches 23 on 7-16 shooting, and with the rest of his game tonight this became a strong return.

Stats: 33min 11pts (2-8, 1-3, 6-8) 1reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Brooks ( D+ ) -- well, not all of the starters could have a strong game, although it must be said that again with Brooks its as much about him staying out of the way and letting the other guys play their game as it is about Brooks' numbers himself. And the problems were more on the defenisve side of the ball than on the offensive. On offense he was erratic, hitting a few shots, setting up Cousins and JT for occasional layups inside, but also going through stretches when he shot when he should have passed, and passed when he should have shot. The real issue though was on the other side of the ball, where he just got killed. Sometimes it was poor defense, he kept losing Lowry off screens for instance and not exactly busting his butt to recover and challenge. But by far the larger problem was this: Brooks is small. And just as importantly physically weak. And so Lowry overpowered him physically, and when we tried to hide him on noted non-scorer Pietrus, the Raptors eventually figured it out and smartly started running Pietrus into the post, where he scored virtually everytime. We just had no place to hide Brooks, and so late in the game we actually finally gave up and went to a Reke/Salmons/Johnoson all size/defense crew to get things under control and finish it out. Brooks was back in the final 30 seconds for the intentional foul game with a chance to pad his stats, but missed several of the FTs. So as noted, not at all a strong game, but his presence still seems to be helping our stars, and hence us. Its not like Derek Fisher or Mario Chalmers have all those career starts for actually being great players themselves. Sometimes its just about fit and team.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Stats: 17min 3pts (1-7, 0-3, 1-1) 3reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thornton ( D- ) -- in full blown slump mode now, and showed that that sudden out of nowhere garbagetime three point explosion vs. the Clippers didn't mean much. Actually started off the game looking energetic early got an early steal off a lax Raptors pass, dribbled down, and pulle up sharply for a little jumper for what turned out to be his only bucket. Had a strong reboud.d..a couple of nice passes to our bigs out on the break. All of that in the space of about his first 3 minutes on the floor. Looking good. And then...I think he may have left the building. I don't know. Was he forgotten about by our reserves? Did he drift off himself? He just completely vanished, and whatever that little burst of energy was he came in with was just an illusion. Not only never hit another shot, but just didn't do anything else either. Jimmer kept on trying to set him up for shots, and he just never rewarded it. Never got any better either as the game went along, and by the 4th it was all too easy for Smart to just sub him out and put in the far more effective starters. Even for the stretch run Smart went to a Reke/Slamons/Johnson all defense trio to close things rather than throw Marcus out there to struggle some more. Its very hard to spot chicken and egg with him right now. Is it his role? The rotations? Is the slump driving the reduced minutes? Vice versa? Gotta wonder how long he can be happy getting 20 min a night, but playing like he is he doesn't deserve any more. Reke's sudden growth forced Smart off the fence, and suddenly Marcus has lost his place.

Stats: 10min 0pts (0-2, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hayes ( C- ) -- somehow without there being any clear reason why, or given his normal modest statistical output any dramatic numerical evidence of it, Chuck seems to be slipping backward both in role and effectiveness. Really didn't much done again out there, on either end of the floor -- has been inviisble defensively as well for the last 4 or 5 games. Had a couple of very moments int he secodn half, entering he game and blocking out well for a rebound, finally getting a good pass to TRob for a hoop. But in general no real effect, an Smart is finally realizing the gap between starters and bench guys, and was going back to Cousins as often as he could get him back on the floor leading to a 11 minute night for Hayes with little productivity. I dind't grade hi any worse juat because he didn't seem bad so much as just nonexistent. You didn't notice he was even on the court.

Stats: 12min 7pts (2-5, 1-2, 2-2) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Fredette ( C+ ) -- as Smart is suddenly shortening rotations, appears to have clearly beat our IT for the backup PG minutes. Not a result anybody would have predicted a few months ago. If you just looked at his statline, you might wonder how/why that could be as 0 assists from a PG is not exactly ideal. But if you watched the game, you would have seen Jimmer making much more of an effort to pass than that, guys just weren't converting. Some basketball 101 type drives along the baseline and passes to either bigs moving toward the hoop or guys spotting up, but never rewarded. Had his best little spurt in the early third, hitting a three and getting a little runner as we stayed close. But things turned badly and got ugly in a hurry when the Raptors brought Lowry back in. On the night Jimmer's defense on Calderon was ok. Lost him a little on a couple of screens, but Calderon is not a forceful offensive player so it did not hurt us. But Kyle Lowry was kicking butt and taking names, and he came in sizing Jimmer up like a piece of meat, and just attacked him every time down the floor, once angrily waving off hsi entire team so he could iso on him, take him inside, and make it look easy. Jimmer compounuded things by trying to wildly respond the other way, nearly airballing a three, and throwing up an off balance junk shot along the baseline. He was quickly pulled, with that same question still lingering: if he can't defend strong NBA players than how many minutes can we aford to give him?

Stats: 14min 6pts (3-5, 0-1, 0-0) 8reb 1ast 0stl 2blk 1TO
Johnson ( B ) -- he may have flopped when we went in to play his former team the Bulls, but tonight seemed on a mission against his other former team the Raptors. He's generally looked better since shifting to the bench, but tonight he added in an additional element that he had seemed to leave in Toronto: rebounding. He grabbed 8 rebs in only 14min of action. Combined wih defensive activity (maybe too much at times as he hacked his way to 5 fouls in those 14 min) it made him a forceful defensive presence. The other direction he began with a terrifying sight as he jsut with no hesitation pulled up to shoot a three immediately after entering...and drained it. Actually turend out his toes were ont eh line, but it was notable both for being ill conceived and for it falling. It would chance so much for him if he could just shoot...and shoot when set up to do so rather than all the random undisciplined stuff. Looked more settled on offense again, but his work constantly pressing the pace on the break was again shaky. Has the skills but his decisionmaking was just wild, and several times he missed Jimmer wide open at the three point line, and once late in the game after we'd returned him to give us late defensive push, he nearly threw the ball right to the Raptors while we were trying to advance it with less than a minute to go. Still, despite the lingering dumbness, nice forceful effort this time out. Getting less scary to see him check in.

Stats: 15min 7pts (2-3, 0-0, 3-4) 4reb 1ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
Robinson ( C ) -- up and down game mixing some runs of good energy with mistakes, sometimes on the same possession. In one early defensive trip let himself get backed down almost entirely under the hoop, then tried to save the situation with a couple of nice displays of ahtleticism leaping up for a block, and then getting the foul trying to go up again. Good activity physically, but the he wouldn't cover Bargs at the three point line (as it turned out a good strategy tonight). Pathetic to start the 4th as Pietrus turned the corner and both our ""bigs" (Hayes and TRob) stood there with arms down trying to take a charge and got posterized. Unaware of second defender and got stripped in the early 4th up top, but in general gave us a few good minutes of energy there inclduing taking a hard foul that lamost got called a flagrant (I'm glad it wasn't). Was still too many forces inside, and got wild and closed his night turning it over on a charge in the midquarter, leading to JT's immediate return. Effort here and some productivity, but just a lot of slop and defensive struggles.
 
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Glenn

Hall of Famer
#3
Much needed.

Notes:
1) in case anybody has forgotten, we could ahve had Kyle Lorwy this offseason. Not an oh I wish, or a maybe, it was offered, we rejected to keep our draft pick, they went and traded him for a lesser one. And you wonder how we remain bad.

2) the only reason this one was close was that we could nto find anyplace to hide our little guards all ngiht long. Whoever Brooks guarded became their goto man. When they subbed in Lowry against Jimmer in the 4th it was a slaughter (also btw another reaosn I wanted Lowry, imagine he and Reke together in the backcourt, where could any team hide their 180lb PG?)

3) Cousins had a big game, largely by keeping it simple. Set up as often as not. Only a couple of wild attempts. Not many jumpers, not many long drives. Stayed in control.

4) Reke came back form the terribly timed injury and the jumper was rebroken...until it came time to win it, when he promptly drained back to back threes to win the game. defense was great throughout.

5) Was less selfish play throughout, and rotations were suddenly much better. See? Mayeb you can teach dumb dogs new tricks.

Boxscore

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How many shots did Cousins make where he shot from farther that 10 ft? Probably none. I presume Smart put him in close rather than floating around the three point line. Somebody put him in closer. He seemed far more confident.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#4
3-3 with a Brooks/Reke backcourt. It's why I believe even if Brooks struggled, it's one of our only positives and I see no point in breaking it up.

But again, this was yet another game we're playing against our coach. Putting Jimmer and then Brooks on Lowry almost cost us the game until Reke was finally put on him with 2:30. Should have seen that much earlier.

Will say the sub patterns were improved, and with Reke coming back at the 8 min mark of the 2nd, the earliest by a good chunk this year, I wonder how much his agent Art Tellem being in town and at the game had to do with it? Would be sad if we need a player's agent to come and help straighten things out.

Much needed win. Orl while just beating LAL and GS and losing tonight, and a tougher test than Tor is a winnable game and a good opportunity to get a little streak going.
 
#5
the minutes and rotations were mind bogglingly normal! i dont know what to make of it. very confused. we will see if it continues friday
 

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
Staff member
#6
I find it hilarious that Toronto's best two players tonight were guys we could have easily picked up ourselves this off-season. And both of them fill pretty big holes in our lineup too. Hmm.

Also, welcome back Demarcus! We've missed you.
 
#7
this certainly shows us that its not that we have hack players...... they are being consistently misused... they are certainly better than toronto as a whole team yet they only have one more win in less games.....hmmmmmm :confused:
 
#9
This wasn't a breakthrough game, but it was a game where Cousins worked a lot more inside and it made a difference. People on this board and even opposing fans and announcers continually point out that Cousins was getting the ball too far away from the basket this year.

Evans played the sor tof game he has been playing before the injury. A sort of two way game with better patience. (Minus a few shots in the first half)

Surprisingly, two guys that the team has relied on for most of the year had quiet games. Those two being Chuck and Thornton. I guess it helps to play a team struggling as bad as the Kings.

This game also showed why I was for the continual Lowry trade rumors and why I am against any Bargs trade rumors. Bargs is the Kevin Martin of big men.
 
#11
I thought Cousins was a lot more patient and in control tonight. He took what the defense gave him, and with his skillset, the defense is going to be forced to give him a lot. Stay patient Big Cuz!

Evans jumper looked sweet on those two threes. I wasn't minding his misses early on too much because he was also struggling from the line tonight (7-12). I just chalked it up to it wasn't a good shooting night for him. If he was 12-12 from the line and clanking every shot, I would be a little more worried. Overall, it was a nice game for Evans and the two jumpers at the end left me with a warm, fuzzy feeling :D
 
#12
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This game also showed why I was for the continual Lowry trade rumors and why I am against any Bargs trade rumors. Bargs is the Kevin Martin of big men.
Does anybody outside of Colangelo really want Bargnani? He's glorified Novak and gets paid $8, maybe, even $9 million too much. That's an insult to Kevin.
 
#16
Does anybody outside of Colangelo really want Bargnani? He's glorified Novak and gets paid $8, maybe, even $9 million too much. That's an insult to Kevin.
I actually don't mean to insult Kevin. It's just that they're both pretty one dimensional scorers that can disappear at important times. Instead of featured players, they should be bench threats on winning teams.
 
#17
1) in case anybody has forgotten, we could have had Kyle Lorwy this offseason. Not an "oh I wish", or a maybe -- it was offered, we rejected to keep our draft pick, so they went and traded him for a lesser one (thus proving we could ahve had him for ours). And you wonder how we remain bad.
Some of us will Blame the Maloofs or even coach Smart on this one, but never Petrie.

Anyways, good win for our Kings!
 
#19
I thought Cousins was a lot more patient and in control tonight. He took what the defense gave him, and with his skillset, the defense is going to be forced to give him a lot. Stay patient Big Cuz!

Evans jumper looked sweet on those two threes. I wasn't minding his misses early on too much because he was also struggling from the line tonight (7-12). I just chalked it up to it wasn't a good shooting night for him. If he was 12-12 from the line and clanking every shot, I would be a little more worried. Overall, it was a nice game for Evans and the two jumpers at the end left me with a warm, fuzzy feeling :D
Yeah think it may have to do with the extension of his knee. Will probably take a while to really return to 100%
 
#20
I went to this game. It was nice to see a win. The Kings owed this to me after I spent money for airfare, parking, shuttle bus and a hotel room to watch that abomination of a game with the Clippers. ;)

I did enjoy meeting up with a bunch of Kingsfans.com folks again, though.
 
#21
I see nobody is giving Smart credit for his move down the stretch. Putting JJ in for Brooks moving Salmons to guard killed Toronto's back court height advantage.

How about Pietrus? He was just signed less than a week ago off the street.
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#22
Nice that we could beat Toronto. It would have been devastating if we couldn't.

I thought Cousins was thinking a lot on the court. Normally, thinking a lot on the basketball floor isn't a good thing, but for Cousins it sure is.

As far as getting Lowry, I dunno. Then we'd have the drum, drum of he's dominating the ball, doesn't get to Tyreke, yada yada. No thanks. A couple of more wins doesn't do it for me.
 
#23
3-3 with a Brooks/Reke backcourt. It's why I believe even if Brooks struggled, it's one of our only positives and I see no point in breaking it up.

But again, this was yet another game we're playing against our coach. Putting Jimmer and then Brooks on Lowry almost cost us the game until Reke was finally put on him with 2:30. Should have seen that much earlier.

Will say the sub patterns were improved, and with Reke coming back at the 8 min mark of the 2nd, the earliest by a good chunk this year, I wonder how much his agent Art Tellem being in town and at the game had to do with it? Would be sad if we need a player's agent to come and help straighten things out.

Much needed win. Orl while just beating LAL and GS and losing tonight, and a tougher test than Tor is a winnable game and a good opportunity to get a little streak going.
Lowery was abusing Evans too. It was Pietrus and DeRosen that hurt us more.
 
#24
Jimmer getting routinely torched by guard's regardless of whether it's a pick-n-roll or one-on-one needs to be fixed. I think he needs to start reading from the John Stockton book of how to commit cheap fouls that are hard for the ref's to pick up on (i.e., elbow tapping, etc.).
 
#25
1) in case anybody has forgotten, we could have had Kyle Lorwy this offseason. Not an "oh I wish", or a maybe -- it was offered, we rejected to keep our draft pick, so they went and traded him for a lesser one (thus proving we could ahve had him for ours). And you wonder how we remain bad.
I did not forget.
And after each Raptors game, I cry...
 
#26
Nice that we could beat Toronto. It would have been devastating if we couldn't.

I thought Cousins was thinking a lot on the court. Normally, thinking a lot on the basketball floor isn't a good thing, but for Cousins it sure is.

As far as getting Lowry, I dunno. Then we'd have the drum, drum of he's dominating the ball, doesn't get to Tyreke, yada yada. No thanks. A couple of more wins doesn't do it for me.
Leaves us shorthanded in the bigs department, but Lowry is a top ten point guard at this point, and can function as a combo guard as he demonstrated last night. He would have freed up a lot of room for Tyreke to operate. I try not to dwell on the "what might have been" scenarios too much, but I can't help but imagine a lineup of Lowry, Evans, Dorrell Wright, JT, Cousins. Bring in a rim protector to play next to Cousins and that lineup has playoffs written on it.

Still, I like T-Rob and think he can develop into a Josh Smith lite, which would be a decent fit next to Cousins. Not ideal, but pretty good.
 
#27
The streak continues this year. When Cousins plays well, we win 80% of the time. When he doesn't play well, we win 6% of the time.
 
#28
Thanks again, Brick. But we could have got Lowry??? So we could have got ------------ you fill in the blank. You like dead horses? We won, Lowry's team lost.
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#29
It's interesting how the schedule for the next few games gets steadily more difficult. The winning % of the teams are as follows:

Toronto: .200 (when we played them)
Orlando: .389
Portland: .421
Dallas .444
Bucks: .471

and finally the monster OKC at .789

With a young team trying to dig itself out of a deep hole that schedule could build some confidence if they start to get it together.
 
#30
Thanks again, Brick. But we could have got Lowry??? So we could have got ------------ you fill in the blank. You like dead horses? We won, Lowry's team lost.
Not only that, regarding the big picture, how is Lowry's team faring this season? They are 4-15, worse than the Kings. Their defense is worse than the Kings. Yeah, Lowry sure makes a huge impact.

The Kings often give up season highs to opposing players, especially marginal ones like Kyle Lowry. Lowry's numbers may look impressive to some, but there's a reason he's moved around the league a bit already. He's not an impact player.
 
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