[Grades] Grades v. Pistons 11/7/2012

Kings guard of the game?

  • Tyreke Evans

    Votes: 9 28.1%
  • Isaiah Thomas

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • Marcus Thornton

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Aaron Brooks

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Jimmer Fredette

    Votes: 18 56.3%

  • Total voters
    32
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Okay, not exactly a chest thumping dominant win over a now 0-5 team, but hey, you gotta get these and we did. Defense did not hold up as well as the Pistons were able to take advantage of holes in the defense, slipping their bigs on the baseline as ours stepped up on pick and rolls, using some picks to get Prince switched onto our guards, and Brandon Knight having a field day shooting over our midget PGs. Offense was more effective though, and while it should not have been this close we avoided the late game meltdown this time and closed this out.

Kingsflix game highlights:

Boxscore

Stats: 32min 5pts (2-6, 0-0, 1-2) 5reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Johnson ( C ) -- another awkward start for JJ on offense. Charging, missing shots. Got a follow dunk on the break in the 2nd. But then immediaely picked up a technical barking at a ref for a foul as well. Made his defensive contributions as hoped for, able to guard and shut down Prince's post game, and a little more rebounding this time. But the offense was still just a series of forced drives into traffic, and that's making it ard to give him any sort of grade. May have to adjust my scale for him if this is going to be it. Finally got a nice little spinning up and under in the post over Jerebko in the mid 4th. Defense on Prince was important, so worth at least a C.

Stats: 28min 13pts (5-6, 0-0, 3-4) 4reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Thompson ( B- ) -- nice efficient offensive game from JT in support, but lack of boardwork is becoming a little troubling. Efficiency wasn't just all garbageman type follows either. Hit a jumper, and every once in a while we would throw it to him for a nice post move over stubby Maxiel. Unfortunately in the early going let Maxiel free several times himself, and the two roleplayers largely played to a draw. Continues to get outrebounded by Reke as our #2 rebounder, and lost repeated battles with Monroe for boards. With Hayes having a lousy game did not have to worry about Hayes replacing him for the stretch run this time....so instead Smart replaced him with Johnson as we smallballed. Kinda insulting.

Stats: 33min 21pts (8-17, 0-0, 5-7) 11reb 0ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
Cousins ( B+ ) -- now we're starting to roll a bit. With Monroe putting up a Brad Milleesque triple double cannot say he dominated his matchup with Monroe, but he was strong himself and got stronger still in he 4th after shaking off the effects of a shoulder injury he suffered in the first half. Was not the early focal point as IT dominated the offense in the early going, but had several strong rebounds and finishes around the rim. After he returned was very active defensively as we had our best defensive quarter (the two are related). Stepped in front of a pass for a steal, drew two charges, and came up with an up fake and drive with the big dunk finish with 2min left in the half. Yikes moment when he got flagrant fouled by Maxiel in the final minute of the half and went down holding his left shoulder. We've already seem that act last year with Hayes. Not interested in seeing it again with Cuz. Came out in the third with a shoulder sleeve, and blew the gimme layup. Soon therafter disappeared intot he tunnel to remove the gear, but not effective upon returning and Smart pulled him until the middle ranges of the 4th. Thankfully he was back to his normal self by the time he returned, and immediately went to work on Maxiel in the post when the Pistons briefly, and foolishly, went to to the 6'7" guy to try to guard him. Came on real strong down the stretch on the glass and inside, caught the pass from IT at the 30 second mark for the layup to get us up 5, and split a pair of FTs to help ice it. Not a dominant game, but a strong solid one (for Cousins 21-11 = merely strong/solid, for some guys its the career game), and after the slow start his season numbers are back up into the range they were last year (18 and 10 .450 FG). Gotta keep on rolling now and leave those first two games a distant memory.

Stats: 31min 15pts (5-11, 0-1, 5-6) 7reb 3ast 3stl 0blk 2TO
Evans ( B ) -- back to his his Iggy act after the disastrous outing last time. Trying to erase those memories, we called a play for him to start the game, and he responded with the strong drive and finish to start the game. But still could not hit the jumpers therafter (this is mental at this point, not physical), as he struggled with his own offense once more. Difference was that he was having an impact on the game with his hustle on defense and the glass even without the offense (amongst guards is 2nd in the NBA right now (to Paul George) at 6.8/gm) and grabbed 5 first quarter rebounds. Came up with a nice block chasing down a play from behind on the break -- right in the open court, think its even in the highlights, yet the scorekeeper did not credit it? Odd. Also had a nice dive back srtip on Monroe and took it full court the other way for another layup. Kept Stuckey in his box, although at this point so could I frankly. Even when Reke left him open once or twice it was just hopeless. There was a defensive weakpoint in the third, when the Pistons started to run picks to get Reke swithced onto Prince, and Reke still had no better idea how to guard him than last year, watching Prince shoot over him both from inside and out. Good sign for us when a pattern we saw in preseason repeated itself here -- Cousins went out in the late 3rd, and Reke immediately responded by stepping on the offensive gas himself, scoring 8 points in the final 4 minutes of the quarter to help carry us through that stretch, and working well with Brooks, both setting him up and being set up. After the first quarter seemed to largely ignore Smart's chuck a jumper no matter how bad it looks advice, and just concentrate on what he's good at.

Stats: 21min 15pts (6-9, 3-4, 0-0) 1reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Thomas ( B ) -- the stats say this was a contiuance of the career of Isaiah Thomas, SG, but the flavor was different this time. Whereas in previous outings he has been playing a lot of off the ball, in this one IT dominated the ball, and created a lot of the offense for himself rather than spotting up. Was perhaps too much as our other weapons were forgtotten about -- he was creating his own shots, not shots for others -- but he put up points, which have been hard to come by early in the season, and closed the first quarter with a great crossover to the hoop for his 12th point of the quarter. The problem came on the other side of the ball where Knight was lighting him up as well -- in this game for the first time this season we had a bit of a gulf between guys doing well on defense and guys not doing as well. Sat out the second again as the platoon with Brooks grew even more complex as suddenly Jimmer was out there turning into a three headed monster. Returned in the third and dropped in a three from Reke for his only points of the second half. After another long sit again got into the game in the final minute, apparently for defensive purposes, although Brooks was playing the best defensive game of the little guys. Promptly made a strong play setting Cuz up for a layup off the drive and dish that should have iced it. But then let Knight bomb ANOTHER three over him to put us back in danger -- just left him for some reason when that was the last thing you wanted to do in that situation, and at 5'9" his late close was ignored. I'm not sure here, but despite the defense this felt more like the dynamic IT of last year.
 
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Bench

Stats: 28min 11pts (5-12, 1-3, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Thornton ( C- ) -- weakest game of the season so far for Marcus, until he once again bailed us out with clutch play in the final minutes. Struggled defensively in the early going against Singlre, who was just too big. Remember this was a team who destroyed us with Prince guarded by Marcus last season, now Marcus came off the bench just in time to miss Prince but have to guard another big SF. Had a hard time getting his shots in the early going as the floor was abruptly flooded with shot hungry mini-gunners, but when he did finally emerge as the goto guy in the mid 2nd, he struggled and gunned up a lot of junk on his way to a 3-10 first half, including bricking the final shot of the half on a 1-4 clearout. Stumbled with the ball to start the 4th leading to a turnover and Pistons breakaway hoop and as the empty minutes continued (he did not contribute anything but points tonight, and the tiny gunners weren't exactly interested in featuring him over their own offense) you were beginning to wonder what he was doing out there while the much better rounded Reke sat. Finally reminded us as after Reke returned and we went to a smallball set MT hit a shot off a called play out of the timeout at the 3:00 mark, and then drained the huge three at the 1:15 mark to put the game out of reach. Whatever grade he gets here is largely for those last two clutch shots to help save us again. Without them, its in the Ds.

Stats: 24min 11pts (5-12, 1-5, 0-0) 2reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Brooks ( B- ) -- you know, its hard to tell with Brooks whether his play is out of control and lucky, or whether its sporadically brilliant. Either way it was another night featuring a number of forced drives into heavy traffic and quick threes. But he hit a few high degree of dificulty shots on those drives (including a circus layup attempt that went in soon after he entered), and keyed a little mini run for us in the second, although his attempt to throw an alley opp to Jimmer Fredette may not have been the most advisable play he's ever made. When he returned in the 3rd worked well with Reke as Reke took over the later stages of the quarter, but continues his habit of forcing drives into trafic. But he hit a big three in the early 4th, and was playing by far the best defense of our little PG types. Still did not protect him from kind of a surprise at the 4:00 mark when Reke returned, and rather than send Jimmer ot the bench, we sent Brooks instead and let Jimmer run the stretch. That was questionable, defsnively dangeous, but did have the advantage perhaps of letting MT actually touch the ball and seeing more of the offense run. Still...this was mostly an effective run. The defense was there. He snuck in the occasional assist on another night when few did, and forced or not he got some shots to fall. He's just playing it very erratic and scruffy.

Stats: 16min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Hayes ( D ) -- least effective game of the season for Hayes as it was kind of reminisceint of last year -- looked groundbound and had guys scoring and boarding over him all night. And in particular the mathcup of the saavy defender in Hayes vs. the saavy offender in Monroe went heavily to the tall guy. Compounded things by having turnover problems. Late in the third specifically motioned Reke over for a post of a small Pistons guard, and then turned it over on the tough feed feed attempt. Strong blockout and rebound late in the third...and then just threw a totally unforced outlet pass off a ref standing out of bounds. Just off.

Stats: 12min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-1) 7reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 3TO
Robinson ( B/Dumb ) -- okay, so before The Event that will be remembered here, TRob had just got done playing a dynamic second quarter-- his best of the season. Still showing shaky skills, and really forced a drive into traffic for an offensive foul, missing Jimmer popping open along the way. But what he has been doing more in the last three games, and certainly tonight, is just atheltic hustle rolepayer work. Went flying around for offenisve rebounds, got a flying block on the break on defense that again makes you wonder why he doesn't do that more. Got up to disrupt an alley oop attempt for Drummond. We've got enough gunners, and TRob certainly hasn't shown he's good enough to be an effective one at the NBA level. But you can never have enough hustle players, and he gave us a nice jolt of it in the first half. And then...The Event. Early in the 4th there was a rebounding scrum, and in what looked like a largely unprovoked event (Jerebko was pulling him around the waist, but come on), TRob suddenly and violently lashed back with a hard elbow to the side of Jerebko's head/neck and put him down. He was booted from the game instantly. Now as somebody who was prone to doing stuff like that if you pissed me off, I am not the guy to run around and call him thug. But I will call him dumb. Totally unneeded, and now is likely going to face a game suspension.

Stats: 15min 12pts (3-7, 2-3, 4-4) 0reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Fredette ( B+ ) -- in in a tinyball lineup in the second -- Brooks/Jimmer/Thornton/Hayes/TRob. Got matched up on a nobody rookie, and quickly hit a jumper and then a three on the break from Brooks. But things went the other way when he followed by forcing a drive into heavy traffic and getting smushe, and then Brooks tried to alley oop a pass the ball over the top to him on the break (I kid you not), and he again got smushed. Returned in the 4th in more smallball as the SG and and missed a three on a kickout. But made a few nice little setup passes to teammates, that were delivered in such a routine fashion it made you wonder, was thta actually the offense we were seeing? And Jimmer is just the only one of the PGs running it? Hit a three off a screen to push the lead to 9, although also involved in back to back defensive mishaps. And then an interesting thing happened -- 4 minutes to go in the game, we belatedly return Reke to the lineup, and instead of sending Jimmer to the bench, we send Brooks instead, letting Jimmer run the point down the stretch of a tight easily losable game. Odd coaching move, but it worked out fine. Before the final minute when we started subbing in offense/defense/big/little personnel, Jimmer didn't do anything spectacular, but he was solid in runnign the team. Got the ball to people wihtout much fuss, did not chuck up any 30ft threes for Grant & Jerry to crow about what a good shot that was, and set Thornton up for his backbreaking three at the 1:15 mark. Added a couple of padding FTs on the intentional foul with 20 seconds to go. I'm not the first to say this, but what was different was that Jimmer looked comfortable and like he belonged out there, and played solidly late. I don't think he was any better than IT or Brooks on the night but he felt steadier and as if he was running basic little plays to set people up that the others somehow weren't.
 
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I had to go with Jimmer in this one, for the simple reason it's really the first time in memory that he actually looked like he belonged and that he had a role out there. He may not have filled up the statline, but he contributed. His grin alone told the story. :)
 
Very happy we got the win, lets hope the close game was because of Monroe and other Pistons players playing great, and not because the Kings are just barely better than the Pistons. we will find out on Friday. and unfortunatly for us, we get to play a Pissed off Spurs team, because they just got destroyed by the Clippers tonight
 
unfortunatly for us, we get to play a Pissed off Spurs team, because they just got destroyed by the Clippers tonight

Spurs have been there done that it's a none isue if you ask me. Back to the game Kings played a tough game and stayed focused enough to finish with another W, keep hustlin fellas!
 
I wish we could space jam Jimmer's shot for Tyreke. Watching how much the defense sagged off him tonight was incredibly depressing to see considering how many open looks he would have had. He's playing star quality basketball in every other facet of the game, but needs that jumper to take him to the next level
 
i think tonight player of the Game was Garcia, we are always successful when he doesn't play. last 2 games, no Garcia, 2 wins
 
He's playing star quality basketball in every other facet of the game, but needs that jumper to take him to the next level

yep! even if he cant knock down the jumper, if he is smart on offense he will be huge this year. doing a little bit of everything out there
 
TRobb gets a WTF

I wonder if we'll get any word on what that was about.

I haven't watched that part of the game again yet, but it appeared as though TRob was getting "Pistons treatment" and just had enough.
 
^he was definitely getting pushed around and held the whole time he was out there. and you never know if Jarebko could have said something to him
 
TRobb gets a WTF

I wonder if we'll get any word on what that was about.

No word to give. I was sitting 10 feet away from it. They were battling, he got fed up and threw the elbow. I don't think he tried to hit him in the throat, but it was a pretty brutal shot.

My game thoughts:

1. Cousins gets beat up and no calls. Just brutalized. Punched, pushed, shoved. It's bad. He has to clean up his attitude if he wants this to stop.
2. Nobody respect Rekes shot at all. He starts to crossover and they just back up and collapse the lane.
3. IT looked great tonight, really quick and saw the floor
4. Brooks does not belong on this team. Just jacks shots and gets lucky really.
5. Fredette - His teammates have confidence in him. He played great tonight. He has a role, and quite honestly if he could improve on the leaving his feet (which he has to some degree) he is the perfect compliment to Tyreke. The Kings are a better team with him on the floor because he helps the spacing. He is also the only guard who directs traffic and can run the pick and roll properly. The other teams respect his shot immensely which opens up the middle for cousins and tyreke to drive. If I was coaching this team, he would start and play 30 minutes a game and I would deal with his deficiencies because of everything I typed prior to this. IT would back him up and brooks would not see the court except spot duty.

Smart is doing better, he is playing his best players. Unfortunately, 5 of them are guards. We saw a few 4 guard lineups tonight.


P.S. James Johnson is just lost on offense. Has no idea what he is doing.
 
I thought Evans, Fredette, Brooks, Thornton, and Thomas all had good games and it was all critical to the win. Fun game to watch. Less worry at the end. The offensive play was better. Coach used his players well even though Garcia didn't play. It was interesting to see Jimmer get some quality time and play well.
 
haven't watched the game (league pass replay is out of whack right now), but this is the kind of game we would have laid an egg last season. So good to see us win the games we should win, pistons were hungry for a win and they were gonna come hard at us thinking this one was winnable. Good to see Jimmer get some run, his shooting makes him perfect next to Tyreke.
 
3. IT looked great tonight, really quick and saw the floor
4. Brooks does not belong on this team. Just jacks shots and gets lucky really.

I will have to disagree with you here. Watched the entire game and IT did well on the offensive end but he was getting abused on defense by Knight, even late him he had huge mental lapse and let Knight hit a wide open three to cut the lead.

Brooks threw up that one crazy shot but from what I remember the shot clock was running out. Besides that he hit good shots, shots that he been known to make and important shots that kept us ahead. Also his defense has been good. Surprisingly good. He was the only one close to being effective vs Knight all game.
 
James Johnson was a defensive stud tonight. I only saw one play where Prince got around him and he had to foul Prince to prevent the lay in. Other than that he completely locked Prince down. The only time he had any success was when Johnson and Tyreke would switch and Tyreke would sag off of Prince, allowing him to shoot mid range jumpers.

As far as saying Brooks doesn't belong on this team, that's nonsense. His 3 ball wasn't on tonight but he was making mid range shots. The only guys on this team that can shoot are IT, MT, Brooks and Fredette. It would be murder on our bench's offense to not have Brooks. Besides when we have broken plays, the only guys that can go 1 on 1 and do anything with them are Brooks, MT and Tyreke.

Jimmer looked good tonight when Smart had him matched up against that English fella. As soon as Knight got up off the bench, Smart should have been sending IT or Brooks back into the game. He waited too long and it allowed Knight to make some plays because Jimmer looked completely overwhelmed on defense by him.
 
The defense wasn't there tonight. Other than Johnson, they didn't come to play. They should have kept this team down in the 80s and blown them out. It's still the mark of an immature team. The best thing about the night was the patience shown on the offensive end.
 
The defense wasn't there tonight. Other than Johnson, they didn't come to play. They should have kept this team down in the 80s and blown them out. It's still the mark of an immature team. The best thing about the night was the patience shown on the offensive end.

I fully expect this to be the case all season. I imagine we're still one of the youngest teams in the NBA and we're in year 1 of Smart's offensive an defensive schemes.
 
I fully expect this to be the case all season. I imagine we're still one of the youngest teams in the NBA and we're in year 1 of Smart's offensive an defensive schemes.

It could be. Hopefully, there will be fewer and fewer of these kind of games as the year progresses. They could have easily lost this game.
 
It could be. Hopefully, there will be fewer and fewer of these kind of games as the year progresses. They could have easily lost this game.

They've lost these types of games in the past, so it's certainly encouraging to win. I'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.
 
No word to give. I was sitting 10 feet away from it. They were battling, he got fed up and threw the elbow. I don't think he tried to hit him in the throat, but it was a pretty brutal shot.

My game thoughts:

1. Cousins gets beat up and no calls. Just brutalized. Punched, pushed, shoved. It's bad. He has to clean up his attitude if he wants this to stop.
2. Nobody respect Rekes shot at all. He starts to crossover and they just back up and collapse the lane.
3. IT looked great tonight, really quick and saw the floor
4. Brooks does not belong on this team. Just jacks shots and gets lucky really.
5. Fredette - His teammates have confidence in him. He played great tonight. He has a role, and quite honestly if he could improve on the leaving his feet (which he has to some degree) he is the perfect compliment to Tyreke. The Kings are a better team with him on the floor because he helps the spacing. He is also the only guard who directs traffic and can run the pick and roll properly. The other teams respect his shot immensely which opens up the middle for cousins and tyreke to drive. If I was coaching this team, he would start and play 30 minutes a game and I would deal with his deficiencies because of everything I typed prior to this. IT would back him up and brooks would not see the court except spot duty.

Smart is doing better, he is playing his best players. Unfortunately, 5 of them are guards. We saw a few 4 guard lineups tonight.


P.S. James Johnson is just lost on offense. Has no idea what he is doing.

You get it. Great post. (Though I disagree slightly on Brooks, he has a place but shouldn't be stifling Jimmer's minutes)
 
i think Brooks brings good stuff to the team when he takes controlled shots. i just dont think he should be taking so many of the PG minutes
 
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