[Grades] Grades v. Pelicans 12/23/2013

In the Christmas spirit, the Pelicans decide to share the G wealth: Which guard do we want?

  • Gordon

    Votes: 2 3.0%
  • Holdiay

    Votes: 28 42.4%
  • Reke

    Votes: 35 53.0%
  • Rivers

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Total voters
    66
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Well I can hardly disappoint: I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

There, got that out of my system so that when CD or whoever wants to come around and challenge me next I can respond with appropriate bemusement.

In any case, when your young hyper physical center puts up 24pts 14rebs and even more than the numbers show outplays his supposed peer on the other side of the floor on the same night that your young hyper physical PG puts up 25pts 12ast there should be no way you lose that game. Well, unless some completely inexperienced gerbil comes along 2 weeks onto the job without any feel for your team at all and trades away your 25pt 12ast physical PG for Grevis bleeping Vasquez. Then what happens is your young hyper physical center has to fight off your old hyper physical PGs team singlehandedly, gets victimized a bit by the refs, and with our young hyper physical PG-less guard line now the league's worst group of defenders, we give up 59pts to their trio of guards, and 113 on the night again. But hey, Marcus and Jimmer both gave us unusually strong games for them, so its all good right? Everybody with me on this one?? Woot!

Your Consoritum Graders tonight:
Bricklayer
Rainmaker
Bajaden
Henkel
MassachusettsKingsFan


Boxscore

Stats: 39min 11pts (2-12, 0-1, 7-8) 5reb 2ast 2stl 0blk 6TO
Gay ( D ) -- At some point Rudy Gay is going to have to start playing like Rudy Gay. This was another night where he offered little in the way of support to Cuz and as the guy brought in to be our second option, these 2-12 type nights kill us as we don't have near the talent to compensate for Rudy Gay no-shows. Really, nothing went right for Rudy tonight. Missed every single shot he took outside of the paint, whether spotted up off the ball in a catch and shoot situation or when he was iso'd and created a jumper for himself. When we needed him in the 2nd half of a close game, he provided 0-6 shooting in the 3rd and 4th combined. He did draw a double in the 3rd and hit Isaiah for a 3, but aside from that did little in creating for anyone else. Didn't do well on the glass and in general has left me wanting more in that area. Didn't look good defensively either. Spent time on Aminu, Anderson, Gordon and Reke and wasn't able to have much of an impact on any of them. The one positive is he did take it upon himself to force himself into the game a bit in the 3rd and started attacking and getting to the FT line, yet nothing really came of it. Didn't have any carry over effect. I'm not exactly sure what the deal is. What I think might be part of Rudy's problem is he's not getting enough touches early. He's not involved enough in the offense and he's not getting the ball where's he's most comfortable. Remember against Houston when on camera Malone asked, "Rudy, where do you want the ball, iso or pick & roll?" and Rudy responded, "pick & roll". He and Cuz had a great two-man game going that evening yet we haven't seen it since. Getting Rudy more touches early and getting him into some pick & rolls might help but either way, for his salary and as our #2 next to Cuz, we need more, period.--Rain

Stats: 27min 0pts (0-4, 0-0, 0-2) 3reb 2ast 0stl 3blk 2TO
Thompson ( D+ ) -- You know, I wanted to give Thompson a higher grade for tonight’s effort, but as well as he played his ‘role player’ game I just cannot excuse the empty stat line. 0 points (including 2 missed FT’s) and 3 rebounds in almost 30 minutes of basketball is hard to do, especially for a power forward. The points are one thing, Jason has never been a volume scorer, but I think it’s fair to expect more from him on the glass. That being said, his defense tonight was quite good. Ryan Anderson has hurt this team in the past, and Jason really made him a non-factor. He spent some time on Anthony Davis, and together with Cousins they really kept those guys in check. He had 3 blocks on the night to show for his defensive effort for his biggest statistical contribution. He was working hard as usual, and it’s sort of a shame that his contributions to the team consistently go unappreciated. It’s just hard to give to much credit to individual defense after another home loss. He’s just not much of a factor as a help defender, and that certainly could have helped as Evans, Holiday, and Gordon were getting to the basket at will. And despite the low grade, he wasn’t the problem tonight. He just didn’t contribute as much as you’d like. --Massl

Stats: 30min 24pts (7-15, 0-0, 10-17) 14reb 1ast 2stl 2blk 4TO
Cousins ( B ) -- Got off to the hot start with poor Anderson on him who just looked pitifully over matched all night. Also clearly inspired by a recent thread was doing a solid job on Davis, including a big time rejecting. In fact most of Davis points came off of guard penetration rather then any offense he was creating for himself. when he came back in the second was still the best big on the court but did contribute to the sloppy play with a couple turnovers, which despite overall better decision making remains a weakness. Still Cousins went into the half having single handily out play the Pelicans bigs in dominating fashion. Start off the second strongly as well but his biggest weakness showed up again tonight after being a non issue in the last handful of games. Pick up two quick fouls in the first four minutes and with that the best player on the court was headed for a 30 minute night. More of the same in the fourth as he put Anderson on the bench with foul trouble only to join him a short time later with his fifth foul. Clearly frustrated came back in and simple wasn't effective. Went 0-6 in the quarter although three of those shots came on one possession and he was still getting to the line consistently. Not a great night from he line, but with our play in the fourth it became a non issue. One dominate half followed by a half where he had little impact. Tough to grade a game like that, decided that his overall impact and the muscle he flexed in the early going was worth the mark. -- Henkel

Stats: 23min 3pts (1-2, 1-2, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
McLemore ( D- ) -- It was a rough night for Ben on both ends of the court. Actually, its hard to say that he was inept on offense, because in 23 minutes, despite being open on the perimeter 9 different times, only twice did he get the ball, and he made one of those shots. So we could say that he shot 50% from the floor. You could safely say, that Ben was the last resort on the offensive side of the ball. It didn't appear that his number was part of the offense. No screens were set for him. He wasn't part of any pick and rolls that I noted. In essence, he was an afterthought on the offensive side of the ball. On the defensive side, he struggled to stay in front of Gordon. Twice in the first quarter Gordon just blew past him for layups. A bit later he left Gordon to help in the post, and Gordon hit a three. The second half was more of the same, just more brief. He started by getting called for a foul for bumping Gordon. Then he was called for a blocking foul, a questionable call, since McLemore had already established his position and Gordon caught the pass and ran into Ben. Once again, he was open several times on the wings, and was ignored. While his stats would ordinarily dictate an F, I just can't in good conscience give him one. He's been shooting the ball well of late, but you can't shoot the ball, if you don't touch the ball. Thus the D-
Baja--

Stats: 35min 20pts (8-15, 3-6, 2-3) 5reb 5ast 3stl 0blk 4TO
Thomas ( C ) -- this was a game a lot more dissatisfying than the per normal statline. Really was never 100% on from the start of things. Took a lot of shots early in the game, but wasn't really playing selfishly, just was oddly often being left open as a spot shooter. Odder still the strategy seemed to semi-work for the Pelicans, as IT was just missing shots he has normally hit this season. Made a couple of spectacular plays, once scoring out of a timeout on a drive right into Brow's chest, once dropping a fancypants between the leg dropoff pass to Cousins rumbling down the lane on a break. but somehow just seemed to have a shaky handle and control of the game. Committed an instant turnover as soon as Reke entered the game, and just flat tripped and fell down on the final possession of the first quarter for another turnover. A little wild and out of control after returning in the later 2nd highlighted by throwing the ball right at Boogie's shoelaces for a turnover. On one of his better attempts to make a play may have done us a disservice, as he stepped in to try to take a chanrge on Gordon, who was just blowing by McLemore at will, and Gordon went up high and came down hard. Gordon was killing us at the time, but things got worse for us once Reke replaced him. Hit a catch and shoot three from Gay in the early 3rd, and up until that point of the game most of his jumper attempts had been off the catch and shoot. Whether just not feeling it, or whether consciously avoiding it, wasn't gunning off his dribble. Stepped up, or tried to, after Boogie had to leave the game with fouls. Began to get a little scoring push, made several hustle plays scrapping around the offensive boards on scramble plays. Dropped another nifty fancypants over the shoulder pass to Acy underneath for a dunk. But there was something just off in his game. A scattering of highlight plays, but a lack of effective control of the game. He actually wasn't the biggest defensive culprit against Reke, although there was one amusing sequence on the final Pelicans possession of the 3rd as IT got isolsated on Reke, and clapped his hands and dropped into a stance like he wanted some of that...so Reke promptly squared him up, crossed him over, and ran right over him to the hoop for the tying score. As we died late in the game again just seemed to have no control of the game on either side of the floor. The right guy (Cousins) wasn't getting the ball when and where he needed it. there were turnovers, shot clock issues, missed spot shooters, IT was flat shot over a few times, and in general this felt nothing like a 20-5-5 game as it turned into a late rout ( in fact it wouldn't have been a 20pt game had IT not padded his stats with a pointless three in the final seconds). At least he was in good company, as I felt Davis's statline was highly deceptive of his impact on the game too. --Brick
 
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Bench

Stats: 24min 7pts (2-3, 0-0, 3-3) 2reb 1ast 2stl 0blk 0TO
Williams ( C- ) -- Derrick did a decent job tonight with his limited touches. Finished a nice transition 3pt play to help us keep the momentum going but was largely invisible tonight for the most part. I'm not sure if it was by design or just the way the game went, although it's a building pattern and that is that he wasn't involved all that much on offense. He had little presence in our half court sets and we didn't see the hard weakside cuts and back-doors we saw early in his tenure here. When he's not involved his energy level seems to drop. Wasn't as active on the glass and attacking in transition which is something else we saw early in his tenure here. Didn't hurt us but didn't really help us either. Seems his role has changed, not just from starter to bench player but his actual role in the offense when he's on the floor appears to have been cut down. Needs to find a way to be more involved when he's on the floor, either by design or he's got to pick up the energy level and force the issue, get on the glass and get out in transition. Get himself going. Either way, we need more from at least one of our SF's. --Rain

Stats: 30min 19pts (5-13, 2-6, 7-7) 5reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 4TO
Thornton ( C+ ) -- First, welcome back Marcus. Two games in a row where he put some points in the bucket. While he did score 19 points, it was far from a perfect game. He didn't shoot the ball great, but it was more than acceptable. He came into the game at the 2:56 mark of the 1st quarter. He got off to a good start when IT stole the ball, went the length of the court and just missed a layup. But Marcus, following the play tipped it in. A bit later, a layup attempt by Marcus was goal tended and he was fouled. He completed the three point play. After missing a 16 foot pull up, he hit a three from the left elbow. Defensively, he had as much luck as McLemore keeping Gordon in front of him. Shortly after checking in, Gordon went by Marcus as though he were standing still. A little later in the second quarter, he ended up trying to guard Tyreke, with emphasis on the word try. It was a no contest. At that point they brought McLemore back in and put him on Tyreke, and shifted Marcus back to Gordon. Double disastor! Neither could guard either. I felt more sorry for McLemore, because he's a rookie, and the best defenders in the league have trouble guarding Tyreke. Marcus came into the game in the second half at the 4:56 mark of the 3rd quarter, and was almost immediately greeted by Tyreke blowing right past him for a score, and a foul. The second half was a difficult half for Marcus. His shot wasn't falling as well as the first half, and he was getting killed by Tyreke. There were times when I don't think he knew where Tyreke was on the floor. His worse offensive sequence occurred when he tried to throw an alley opp to Acy, and instead threw up this wild looking pass that went out of bounds. He managed 4 turnovers, but did have 5 rebounds. So it wasn't a great night, but compared to what he's done previously this year, it was surely welcome. Hopefully, Marcus is breaking out of his year long slump. The Kings could use some scoring off the bench. --Baja

Stats: 23min 6pts (2-3, 0-0, 2-2) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Acy ( C ) -- Acy continues to play solid, scrappy basketball. He’s been a fun player to watch, although I have serious questions about how good he actually is. I don’t know if he see’s the floor once Landry is healthy. Anyway, his defense was about as solid as you could expect as he also contributed to the slow nights from Anderson and Davis. His highlights included one surprisingly skillful drive to the basket in the 2nd quarter, and a big dunk on a great Isaiah Thomas pass in the 2nd half. There honestly wasn’t a whole lot there to grade here tonight, but I though his 13 minutes of play included more plusses than minuses. He was actually one of only 3 Kings to finish with a positive +/- on the night. --Mass

Stats: 6min 0pts (0-1, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Gray ( INC ) -- Played a few uneventful minutes. Still rebounding and playing within himself, but with so few centers to match up with Malone seems to favor a smaller more athletic lineup with Acy and Williams at the four and five. He is what he is and if Malone isn't inclined to work him into the rotation now then I doubt that will change all that much. --Henkel

Stats: 13min 9pts (4-6, 1-2, 0-0) 2reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Fredette ( B ) -- one of his better games o the season, but not really as a PG so much as just a spot shooter who's shot was finally on. Like IT got a drive in the early 2nd to finish high up over Davis, who's defense seemed more bark than bite this time out. Anticipated a pass and reached into the passing lane for a rare steal (was just his 7th steal of the season). Was getting into a back and forth with Roberts in the early 4th, and losing that battle as he was running through a wall of picks, but notched longer minutes during that stint than he normally does as IT's gme wasn;t inspiring confidence. Hit a corner three on the extra pass from MT, and found DWill out in the open court, which is something happening far too infrequently of late after the dynamic first few weeks. The Pelicans scored and scored and scored and scored in the 4th, Jimmer was no help of course, but neither was he the main culprit. Hit his shots, created little, but actually felt a little "cleaner" in his play than IT did late. --Brick

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Stats: 36min 25pts (7-14, 0-1, 11-12) 6reb 12ast 3stl 0blk 2TO
Tyreke ( F/A ) -- came right in the game and dropped his shoulder on a physical power drive into somebody's chest, capped by a kick to a spot shooter for a three. Been missing that. Proceeded to kick our ass. I don't begrudge him that as we kinda deserved it.
 
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#Free Derrick Williams
#Team goes through a massive stretch every game where we don't play D, force shots and make amazing low IQ plays which probably have Malone lossing the skin of his head
#Played solid for 3 quarters than our team that is full of marshmellows gets abused due to things in there control such as shot selection and effort.

That's Kings basketball
 
We are going to find out a lot about our management right now because they all got a front court seat to watch this one tonight.
 
Happy that:
- Jimmer played well
- Tyreke played well

Anthony Davis didn't have a very good game but it was by no means indicative of his (lack of) superstar ability. They have gone to him to carry them in the past (and Pelicans fans complain not often enough). Where he's at his best is catching just outside the paint and facing up, as he has the quickness to get around guys and the ability to shoot from outside. Certainly doesn't dominate offensively the way that Cousins does though. I've watched multiple Pelicans game and I think he's going to be right up there with Cousins in terms of best bigs in the league in a few years time
 
Also worth keeping in mind that Monty Williams is probably only a scratch above Keith Smart in coaching quality.
 
Worst teams in the NBA as of now:

1) Milwaukee Bucks - 6-22 (.214)
2) Utah Jazz - 8-23 (.258)
3) Philadelphia 76ers - 8-20 (.286)
4) Orlando Magic - 8-20 (.286)
5) Sacramento Kings - 8-19 (.296)

Then there's New York and brooklyn, who aren't tanking and will likely at least improve to around at least .450 and then the rest of the Western teams are out of range for a top pick. So just these five teams are going to have the best shots at the top players in the draft.
 
Worth noting the arena was basically a sellout with 17,317 (is this the max?) in attendance. Surprising considering the pelicans have just been OK, although it could have something to do with Evans' return.
 
Worth noting the arena was basically a sellout with 17,317 (is this the max?) in attendance. Surprising considering the pelicans have just been OK, although it could have something to do with Evans' return.

Yeah and there was a deal on tickets recently for this game, forget what it was but it was basically something like $50 for lower and $20 for anywhere in upper.
 
Well I can hardly disappoint: I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

There, got that out of my system so that when CD or whoever wants to come around and challenge me next I can respond with appropriate bemusement.

In any case, when your young hyper physical center puts up 24pts 14rebs and even more than the numbers show outplays his supposed peer on the other side of the floor on the same night that your young hyper physical PG puts up 25pts 12ast there should be no way you lose that game. Well, unless some completely inexperienced gerbil comes along 2 weeks onto the job without any feel for your team at all and trades away your 25pt 12ast physical PG for Grevis bleeping Vasquez. Then what happens is your young hyper physical center has to fight off your old hyper physical PGs team singlehandedly, gets victimized a bit by the refs, and with our young hyper physical PG-less guard line now the league's worst group of defenders, we give up 59pts to their trio of guards, and 113 on the night again. But hey, Marcus and Jimmer both gave us unusually strong games for them, so its all good right? Everybody with me on this one?? Woot!

So what..... One shoot-first player who puts up big numbers on bad teams came back and put up bigger numbers than usual against his former team (which is still just as bad). The Kings defense sucks and Tyreke Evans was extra motivated so it's no surprise that he had a big game.

Does this mean Tyreke Evans is having a good season? NO he's still shooting 40.5% and statistically having a down year (until he proves otherwise over the course of the year). The two games prior to this (against better opponents) he shot 9 of 22 and 2 of 10......both in losses.

Does this mean that Tyreke Evans is suddenly a "winning player" because he won one game against his former team tonight? NO, he's still taking a lot of shots on a bad team. Albeit the Pelicans actually look like they have potentially decent future. However the future success of the New Orleans Pelicans hinges upon the success of Davis and Holliday. Tyreke will at best be their 3rd best player should they become a good team. On the Kings, Tyreke was never going too settle for being anything other than the #1 or #2 option and if Tyreke is your 1st/2nd best player than your team sucks and will suck for eternity.

Are the Kings any better for letting Tyreke Evans leave? Nope
Are the Kings any worse for letting Tyreke Evans leave? Nope

They suck about the same either way, at least now they are fun to watch and have some trade assets.
 
So what..... One shoot-first player who puts up big numbers on bad teams came back and put up bigger numbers than usual against his former team (which is still just as bad). The Kings defense sucks and Tyreke Evans was extra motivated so it's no surprise that he had a big game.

Does this mean Tyreke Evans is having a good season? NO he's still shooting 40.5% and statistically having a down year (until he proves otherwise over the course of the year). The two games prior to this (against better opponents) he shot 9 of 22 and 2 of 10......both in losses.

Does this mean that Tyreke Evans is suddenly a "winning player" because he won one game against his former team tonight? NO, he's still taking a lot of shots on a bad team. Albeit the Pelicans actually look like they have potentially decent future. However the future success of the New Orleans Pelicans hinges upon the success of Davis and Holliday. Tyreke will at best be their 3rd best player should they become a good team. On the Kings, Tyreke was never going too settle for being anything other than the #1 or #2 option and if Tyreke is your 1st/2nd best player than your team sucks and will suck for eternity.

Are the Kings any better for letting Tyreke Evans leave? Nope
Are the Kings any worse for letting Tyreke Evans leave? Nope

They suck about the same either way, at least now they are fun to watch and have some trade assets.

He's picked his game up recently with a triple dopuble though and he's shown he can play well with Davis which means he'll likely see more minutes come his way.
 
Personally, I am still OK with Tyreke leaving. That contract was just a bit too much in my opinion.

+1

He can't consistently shoot the basketball. Which, I'm told is pretty important for a guard. Compare him to our current crop of guards if your must. But, PLEASE don't cherry picks stats. Use his whole body of work......
 
+1

He can't consistently shoot the basketball. Which, I'm told is pretty important for a guard. Compare him to our current crop of guards if your must. But, PLEASE don't cherry picks stats. Use his whole body of work......

Does it matter if he can't shoot when he can get to the rim whenever the heck he wants? Not to mention he rebounds extremely well for a guard and can drop dimes, too.
 
So what about Rudy Gay's contract? We essentially traded Tyreke for Rudy so I don't think that contract argument is really an argument at all.
Rudy's contract is for 2 years (counting this season).

I can live with a rental, especially with Rudy coming off the books in a year where the Kings COULD sign a decent FA (we aren't getting anyone this year for sure). Tyreke's contract is 2x as long. And on the off chance Rudy forgoes the final year of the contract so he can get something long term (disclaimer: don't see this happening) and he re-signs for something more fair, it could be useful to have him.

Does it matter if he can't shoot when he can get to the rim whenever the heck he wants? Not to mention he rebounds extremely well for a guard and can drop dimes, too.

He's averaging 12/4/4 this season on 40% shooting. At this very moment in time, I do not think he is worth 44M dollars. In your defense, I think it is the Kings' fault Tyreke didn't develop into something better.
 
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