Grades v. Pacers 01/08

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( D ) -- decently active start, but led nowhere. Focus was not there, and was turning the ball over. And on defense...wow. Breaking point came in the third quarter when Stephen Jackson just went insane. And Peja gave him a huge assist by just completely ignoring him as he rocked our world with a ridiculous barrage of bombs from downtown. And Rick was STEAMED. Really disgusted. Immediately called a timeout, and at the next whistle all of a sudden Peja and Mike and Kevin were on the bench, never to return. Such an embarrassing little streak I almost dropped this into an F. But ignoring the defense (as Peja himself was) Peja was more not good than godawful, so will go with the yummy D. Woot. :rolleyes:
Thomas ( B- ) -- forgettable start. Nothing on the glass, embarassed himself trying to take it at J.O'Neal's chest a few times (did get bailed out on a B.S. foul call one time). Heart of a lion, brain of a barnacle sort of stuff as usual. But started off the second quarter with a burst against rookie Danny Granger, actually forcing the Pacers to call a timeout and get a real PF back in there against him. And as things completely fell apart, Kenny stayed in the game for a stretch as the only starter doing anything. For a stretch there our only offense was have Kenny cut, throw the ball in to him at the rim, and have him try to lay it in. Worked a number of times too. I almost hesitate to give him this grade given the garbage nature of the night, but I guess at least he did SOMETHING out there.
Miller ( D+ ) -- was doing a good job on the glass early, even against guys who are better boarders. But then completely stopped. Somehow managed to rack up 35min on this ugly night, and in the last 30 managed to grab one big ole sexy rebound. Exciting stuff. On offense he threw in a make here and there, but they were never comfortable. Unlike our friendly neighbors to the south, Indiana actually plays defense and rudely refused to let Brad just stand out there and shoot wide open jumpers from his favorite spots on the floor. Imagine that. Was less putrid than many of his mates, but really had no impact and as usual ended up playing a spectator to a parade of Pacers tearing down boards and exploding to the rim.
Martin ( F ) -- in the very early going made some almost but not quite hustle plays, but not much effect. Had a couple of calls go against him and then just totally completely disappeared. I mean, to such a degree I'm not even sure how to grade him. Where was he? What was he doing? Was he on the court? Was he in the building? If you told me he had stayed in the lockerroom at halftime on an extended bathroom break, I might have believed you. On a night when we were desperate for energy, one of the guys you might have thought would have it must have stayed up too late watching cheesy sci-fi channel movies or something, because he was just sleepwalking.
Bibby ( F ) -- my goodness. Just awful. One night its great, then awful, then great, then awful. Just have no idea what Mike's going to give you right now. There was this ever so brief moment in the first quarter where Mike was actually able to move his feet well enough to stay in front of Anthony Johnson (who is not exactly a dart), and I thought, whoa, maybe Mike's coming to play. Err...no. Looked almost ill out there, and terribly out of synch. Could not hit anything, and almost all of his shots were forced and off balance. Nothing in rhythm, and did I mention he looked ill? Maybe his world was spinning because that was the way he was playing PG. No control of the game at all as everybody just started hucking and chucking as things fell apart. Was making me sick too.
Hart ( C- ) -- first half actually came in and was solid. Hit his shots. But after being reinserted in the mid-third for the totally ineffective Mike, was back to the evil Hart -- forced shots and turned it over time and again. Had the occasional good defensive possession, but otherwise, last 15 minutes were pretty bad. Going to balance this grade between the pretty good early stint when it mattered and the not so pretty good bulk of the game. Common thread would be he continues to show no patience and terrible shot selection, but when he's hitting them, you live with it. When he's not...
Garcia ( C ) -- had one possession in the 2nd quarter where he grabbed two offensive rebounds to try to give us a shot in the arm with a brief burst of energy, but otherwise nothing in his first half stint. And in the second half he basically managed to play 18 straight minutes of garbagetime. Would be good for his development if he had shown much. But instead he kind of alternated one good play with two bad, and was making a case for earning himself a new nickname as the Human Turnover (or maybe just HTO ;) ). As per usual, could not shoot, and its very much in his head now as one possession he will randomly dribble down and chuck up a terrible giveup shot, and the next he will pass up an open shot he has no confidence in making. In any case, did at least show energy moving up and down the court, and at the very end of the game combined with Ronnie Price for back to back steals and breakaways in a last, utterly futile, show of defiance. But did not help matters other than by playing like he might at least have cared.
Skinner ( B ) -- hey hey! Rick was paying attention and slipped Brian into the normal rotation in the early 2nd. (Actually, just remembered that Corliss was missing, so maybe Rick's hand was forced). In any case, Brian showed ok energy but limited effectiveness while the game was still on. And even though he returned very early in the 2nd half, 6 minutes into the third, by the time he got back on court the game was over. He might have been the best King tonight, and ever so briefly changed the momentum of a completely humiliating pull-down-your-pants-in-the-middle-of-Wal-Mart spanking by doing nothing more than contesting a few shots and running down defensive rebounds along the baseline (a skill apparently never encountered before by any other Sacramento King). But as with everything else tonight, it led nowhere, and while Brian continued to show decently the rest of the game, and he and Sampson together likely outrebounded the Pacers scrubs (including poor old Scot Pollard, who just looks finished), it was just irrelevant stuff with no effect on the scoreboard.
Price ( C+ ) -- got an early call at the end of the 2nd quarter as Rick dipped deep into the bench desperately looking for energy. It did not work, and Ronnie really was not heard from again until the very end of garbagetime when he went on a brief mini-run with a steal and a dunk. Nice burst, but even Ronnie just did not have any real spark tonight.
Sampson ( B- ) -- got his longest run of the season for all the wrong reasons. Game was totally and completely over by the 4th, and the two Rick's both cleared their benches. Jamaal grabbed some boards in there, although few of the difficult variety. Also hit a nice turnaround jumper from the right baseline late. He did fine, but no real argument for or against more PT based on this outing.

Adelman ( D ) -- This was ugly from the get go. We got off to a very sluggish start in which Rick surprisingly did not make any substitutions. And that was our good quarter. Down by 4 at the end of one, we were down by 21 by half, and Rick got so desperate looking for energy from someone, anyone, that he just threw Ronnie Price into the mix at the end of the half hoping against hope he could somehow spark the entire rest of the team. Wow. And within 6 minutes of the 2nd half getting underway, this one was officially over. We went from 4 down to 33(!) down in the space of 18 minutes. Nicely done. Rick had finally seen enough after Stephen Jackson was left open to drain three straight threes on us without anyone in white so much as putting up a whimper. So he just flat out pulled Peja, Bibby & Martin and said enough was enough. No energy, no life. No hope. And brought in Hart, Skinner and Garcia looking for, and briefly finding, hustle and boardwork. Pacers were caught napping expecting us just to give it to them and we cut the lead all the way down to a nip and tuck 27. woot! But then it was back to the slaughter, although we impressively took it to them over the final 18 minutes and managed to hold the lead right around the 30 mark rather than allowing them to stretch it to 66. Besides the mass benching in the third, which was VERY well deserved, and besides the aside of noting that Skinner was in the normal rotation tonight and acquitted himself well, albeit possibly only because Corliss was not with the team for some reason, this "effort" defies coaching analysis. There was absolutely nothing Rick did, or could have done, that would have had any significant effect on this outcome. This game was lost before we ever stepped on the floor. You would have thought we were on the road for the 4th game in 5 nights with all the energy and effort we managed to muster as a lovely sendoff gift for the fans at Arco. The team was completely unready to compete tonight. But I went ahead and bumped Rick's grade simply because, haters be damned, Rick was about the ONLY guy on the Kings side who I was sure DID care. That, and I liked the mass benching. Would have given him a + to go with it if he'd just walked down the sideline and given every single member of the Kings a good hard slap. Know I wanted to.
 
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In lieu of starting a "get rid of Mike Bibby" thread, I'm going to go ahead and give him a preemptive F- for terrible offense, no distribution, no defense, no heart and no clue.
 
Kings F

Pacers A+

To beat the Kings at Arco they needed to play an A game.. Actually, they could have played a D- game and still beat our F effort.
 
Bballkingsrock said:
Well, other than turnovers, he has been the only consistent Kings shooter.
5-12 is hardly consistent

Sampson and Skinner are the only ones that get a pass grade because they can do something simple like rebound.

Everyone else F-
 
should be an easy one to grade

i didn't watch the game (not in SAC) but i don't think you have to watch it to know a lot, if not all of them, deserves an F.

go kings, though!
 
Not alot of comenting today...

Bibby...F-...Doesn't deserve to be commented.

Martin...F...100% non-factor...Did absolutly nothing.

Peja...D...Didn't do a lot...Didn't get an offensive groove, nor did he do anything else in the area of hustling.

Thomas...B...The only starter who remotly did anything to keep this game at a defeit above 50...Very efficient on offense, but didn't really rbound...But that was common among all our players.

Miller...D+...Not alot...Hit some shots, and passed a little...

Hart...D...HE hit double figures again, but it only took him 12 shots...Also dazzled me with 4 turnovers...Actually played respectably until garbagetime.

Cisco...C+...The usual hustling around/not hitting his shots type of game.

Skinner...B+...Doesn't get an A, because this team doesnt deserve A's, but was again energy off the bench...We'll definatly take it.

Price...B...Came in, hit some shots...I was pretty much not paying ttention at this point.

Sampson...B...6 rebounds, and hit a nice fade-a-way shot.
 
Čarolija said:
5-12 is hardly consistent

Sampson and Skinner are the only ones that get a pass grade because they can do something simple like rebound.

Everyone else F-

He was 4-8 at the time but in the end I guess he just stunk........
 
Team grade... INCOMPLETE

Player grades...INCOMPLETE

That was about as poor a showing of professional athletics as I've seen in a very long time. And it all boiled down to a lack of focus, a lack of effort, and a stink that permeated the entire Northern California stratosphere.

Shame on all of them.
 
What is up with Garcia's shooting? Seriously this guy's shot is looking worse than anyone you could pick up off the street. Sure he hustles but damn, when is he gonna at least shoot .400?
 
Kings113 said:
As he learns and grows as an NBA player.

One hopes, but that "he's a rookie" stuff is ridiculous in the sense that so are a LOT of guys, and they aren't shooting 35%. Nor is he even a young kid rookie. He's as old as some 5 year pros.
 
Well, I still feel the same until he's shooting the ball like this into his 2nd and 3rd years. I'm not writing his shot off 2 months and change into his pro-career.
 
Bricklayer said:
Peja ( D ) -- decently active start, but led nowhere. Focus was not there, and was turning the ball over. And on defense...wow. Breaking point came in the third quarter when Stephen Jackson...just went insane. And Peja gave him a huge assist just completely ignoring him as he rocked our world with a ridiculous barrage of bombs from downtown. And Rick was STEAMED. Really disgusted. Immediately called a timeout, and at the next whistle all of a sudden Peja and Mike and Kevin were on the bench, never to return. Such an embarrassing little streak I almost dropped this into an F. But ignoring the defense (as Peja himself was) Peja was more not good than godawful, so will go with the yummy D. Woot. :rolleyes:
Thomas ( B- ) -- forgettable start. Nothing on the glass, embarassed himself trying to take it at J.O'Neal's chest a few times (did get bailed out on a B.S. foul call one time). Heart of a lion, brain of a barnacle sort of stuff as usual. But started off the second quarter with a burst against rookie Danny Granger, actually forcing the Pacers to call a timeout and get a real PF back in there against him. And as things completely fell apart, Kenny stayed in the game for a stretch as the only starter doing anything. For a stretch there our only offense was have Kenny cut, throw the ball in to him at the rim, and have him try to lay it in. Worked a number of times too. I almost hesitate to give him this grade given the garbage nature of the night, but I guess at least he did SOMETHING out there.
Miller ( D+ ) -- was doing a good job on the glass early, even against guys who are better boarders. But then completely stopped. Somehow managed to rack up 35min on this ugly night, and in the last 30 managed to grab one big ole sexy rebound. Exciting stuff. On offense he threw in a make here and there, but they were never comfortable. Unlike our friendly neighbors to the south, Indiana actually plays defense and rudely refused to let Brad just stand out there and shoot wide open jumpers from his favorite spots on the floor. Imagine that. Was less putrid than many of his mates, but really had no impact and as usual ended up playing a spectator to a parade of Pacers tearing down boards and exploding to the rim.
Martin ( F ) -- in the very early going made some almost but not quite hustle plays, but not much effect. Had a couple of calls go against him and then just totally completely disappeared. I mean, to such a degree I'm not even sure how to grade him. Where was he? What was he doing? Was he on the court? Was he in the building? If you told me he had stayed in the lockerroom at halftime on an extended bathroom break, I might have believed you. On a night when we were desperate for energy, one of the guys you might have thought would have it must have stayed up too late watching cheesy sci-fi channel moveis or something, because he was just sleepwalking.
Bibby ( F ) -- my goodness. Just awful One night its great, then awful, then great, then awful. Just have no idea what Mike's going to give you right now. There was this ever so brief moment in the first quarter where Mike was actually able to move his feet well enough to stay in front of Anthony Johnson (who is not exactly a dart), and I thought, whoa, maybe Mike's coming to play. Err...no. Looked almost ill out there, and terribley out of synch. Could not hit anything, and almost all of his shots were forced and off balance. Nothing in rhythm, and did I mention he looked ill? Maybe his world was spinning because that was the way he was playing PG. No control fo the game at all as everybody just started hucking and chucking as things fell apart. Was making me sick too.
Hart ( C- ) -- first half actually came in and was solid. Hit his shots. But after being reinserted in the mid-third for the totally ineffective Mike, was back to the evil Hart -- forced shots and turned it over time and again. Had the occasional good defensive possession, but otherwise, last 15 minutes were pretty bad.
Garcia ( C ) -- had one possession in the 2nd quarter where he grabbed two offensive rebounds with a brief burst of energy, but otherwise nothing in his first half stint. And int eh second half he basically managed to play 18 straight minutes of garbagetime. Would be good for his developement if he had shown much. But instead he kind of alternated one good play with two bad, and was making a case for earning himself a new nickname as the Human Turnover (or maybe just HTO ;) ). As per usual, could not shoot, and its very much in his head now as one possession he will randomly dribble down and chuck up a terriblke shot, and the next he will pass up an open shot he has no confidence in making. In any case, did at least show energy moving up and down the court, nd at the very end of the game combined wiht Ronnie Price for back to back steals and breakaways in a last, utterly futile, show of defiance. But did not help matters other than by playing like he might at least have cared.
Skinner ( B ) -- hey hey! Rick was paying attention and slipped Brian into the normal rotation in the early 2nd. (Actually, just remembered that Corliss was missing, so maybe Rick's hand was forced). In any case, Brian showed ok energy but limited effectiveness while the game was still on. And even though he returned very early in the 2nd half, 6 minutes into the thrd, by the time he got back on court the game was over. He might have been the best King tonight, and ever so briefly changed the momentum of a completely humiliating pull-down-your-pants-in-the-middle-of-Wal-Mart spanking by doing nothing more than contesting a few shots and running down defensive rebounds along the baseline (a skill apparently never encountered before by any other Sacramento King). But as with everything else tonight, it led nowhere, and while Brian continued to show decently the rest of the game, and he and Sampson together likely outrebounded the Pacers scrubs (including poor old Scot Pollard, who just looks finished), it was just irrelevant struff with no efect on the scoreboard.
Price ( C+ ) -- got a early call at the end of the 2nd quarter as rick dipped deep into the bench desperately looking for energy. It did not work, and Ronnie really was not heard from again until the very end of garbagetime when he went on a brief mini-run with a steal and a shot. Nice burst, but even ronnie just did not have any real spark tonight.
Sampson ( B- ) -- got his longest run of the season for all the wrong reasons. Game was totally and completely over by the 4th, and the two Rick's both cleared their benches. Jamaal grabbed some boards in there, although few of the difficult variety. Also hit a nice turnaround jumper from the right baseline late. He did fine, but no real argument for or against more PT based on this outing.

Adelman ( ) -- coming...


LMAO


I've got to read these more often, you are hilarious.
 
THAT was..... was..... well, a prelude to something big about to happen. How can the Maloofs stand by and watch this and not do something? How can Petri? and Adelman and the ball boys and the ushers........

Something is drastically wrong. All the wheels on the Kings vehicle are squeeking or wobbling or both. WOW!!!!
 
SoupIsGood said:
LMAO


I've got to read these more often, you are hilarious.

It's Bricklayer's version of "tough love." The more horrible the game, the more brutal his comments. Some of his best stuff, unfortunately, was lost forever when the board suffered a catastrophic server problem in August, 2004.

;)
 
Man, the Kings are pathetic. Just pathetic. Getting trounced at home like that.

Inexcusable. Woeful. Listless. Laughable, if not so inept. How many adjectives do you need?

The 76ers and the Pacers just humiliated us from start to finish....really never close. To lose that convincingly on your home court, with this payroll, with the level of experience and talent.....it points to the coaching staff.

Yes the players deserve ALL the blame too...BUT....we all see the obvious inefficiencies on the court....the competency on the sideline is just as glaring...

Elston Turner looks so baffled and at a loss for what to say in his half-time interviews....which is reflective of the whole entire staff....out of answers.....out of ways to motivate or inspire....out of jobs if the Maloofs were not such nice guy, procrastinating wait-and-see loyalists.

Rick Adelman can yell and plead and reason all he wants....these players have heard enough and don't care what he says anymore....7 years is enough..move on....he has been tuned out and his effectiveness as a coach is over.

Rick Carlisle impresses me so much as a coach. I listened to a lot of his post game press conferences last year during the payoffs. He is very sharp basketball mind, never harps on the refs, hold his players accountable, his analysis and his strategy always insightful. In turn, his players respect him, and want to bust their butts for him every minute on the court. Not so the relationship between Kings and their head coach.

Firing Adelman now could not possible set us back. How could it? It does not get any worse than being down 30 points on your home court in the 3rd quarter. This level of play has been seen too often to be an aberration, injuries or otherwise. Shake-up is overdue. Whether a trade presents itself or not, is immaterial. The Maloofs need to make a statement to their fans they will not tolerate this level of performance.

I predict Adelman will be fired by the end of this month. In fact....looking at their schedule....I am anticipating getting swept on their 3 game road trip....4 total loses next week....with Adelman being canned after home loss against the Magic next Sunday....finally something as a Kings fan to get excited about. :)
 
bench_blob said:
Rick Adelman can yell and plead and reason all he wants....these players have heard enough and don't care what he says anymore....7 years is enough..move on....he has been tuned out and his effectiveness as a coach is over.

Peja 7 yrs 3 months
Mike 4 yrs 3 months
Brad 2 yrs 3months
Kevin 1 yr 3months
technically, maybe Corliss 2yrs (long ago) 3months

That would be the grand total of our possible tuner-outers due to Rick's tenure here. Anybody else, its because they're unprofessional.
 
Bricklayer said:
Peja 7 yrs 3 months
Mike 4 yrs 3 months
Brad 2 yrs 3months
Kevin 1 yr 3months
technically, maybe Corliss 2yrs (long ago) 3months

That would be the grand total of our possible tuner-outers due to Rick's tenure here. Anybody else, its because they're unprofessional.

Well, if a team's vets tune a coach out, that could create a bad atmosphere in which the rest of the new guys tune him out also.
 
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