Grades v. Nets 01/22

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Artest ( B ) -- three point shot was on in the early going, and carried us offensively in the first half with 17 pts on efficient shooting. Did not have to contend with Vinsanity much in the early going with Carter in constant foul trouble. As we collapsed in the third, Ron started really forcing one on one again and was actually on the bench as we climbed back into the game. When he returned he generally stayed out of the way offensively, except for what could have well be a nail in the coffin sequence for us when he decided to go one on one and force not one, but two selfish in traffic forces up at the 2:00 mark for what was effectively a turnover. Fortunately New Jersey was having none of that stuff tonight and was not going to let us lose the game under any circumstances. Made several good defensive plays, including a huge key one with 3 minutes to go where he stripped a nobody on the baseline and then outhustled another nobody for the loose ball to set up Bibby for a three to draw us within 4. Like most grades tonight, this one is hard. But he kept us afloat early, and then made a mixture of crap plays and important ones down the stretch. So...B?
Thomas ( C+ ) -- back in as a starter with Reef ailing apparently, and tried to force his offense early, to predictable results. But then Bibby starting finding him again and again, and Kenny had three quick layups. Not much on the glass before half, but started off the third with a nice little burst, grabbing one board and backtapping several others (one of which we did not get). That was about it though, and he got silent as the Nets began the blowout that wasn't. Watched our comeback from the bench and never returned.
Miller ( B- ) -- only guy doing anything in the first few minutes, but then a rash of turnovers helped ease him to the bench. Came back and was solid on the glass against the Nets random bodies. In the early third made a nice pass to set Kevin up for a layup, but was being badly outplayed by Mikki Moore now. That's what it has come to. But made some key plays in our comeback including hitting a desperation three at the end of the third, and then keeping the ball alive on our game winning possession after we intially missed the shot. Brad kept it alive, the Nets backtapped it right to Mike, and Mike won the game. In many ways a mirror image of the crap game in Detroit, but this time with some timely plays that have to elevate the grade.
Martin ( D ) -- struggled with his shot in the early going once again, and just never got anything going for us at all. Was back to start the third, but was a significant part of a tired, uninspired group that tried their damndest to get themselves strung up by the Arco "faithful" who had pitchforks and torces alight by the mid third. Went to the bench and we accomplshed the entire comeback without him. Somebody in the last couple of days said something about a report of him hitting the wall. Well, whatever it is, he's been a complete nonfactor the last couple.
Bibby ( :confused: ) -- One of the most bizarre games or grades you could ever be asked to delvier. Understand this -- Mike completely sucked. Not a little sucked. But sucked in "I am earning $12mil a year to play like Mateen Cleaves" sucked. Could not hit the broad sigde of a barn, and wasn't even remotely challenging Kidd. Did have a burst of playmaking, almost all headed Kenny's way, in the first quarter, but that was just about IT. No points at all in the first half. And he wasn't even involved in the beginning of the comeback. He was earning an F, an F-, a slap you in the face with a 3 day old smelly unwashed trout F. We were awful, and he was at the heart of it Finally got his first point on a FT to close the third, and did not hit his first shot until a three in the mid 4th to pull us within 7. But then...well then what can you say? It was sometimes Bibby the hero, sometimes Bibby the idiot, but all Mike Bibby down the stretch as he not only completely carried our team, but simply took over the game with New Jersey sltting their own wrists at every opportunity. So Mike scored the final 14 points of the game for us to reassert his clutch rep after having 0 at halftime and 1 at the end of three. Forced some garbage, continues to insist on flopping around like a dead fish trying to draw fouls instead of just shooting on many occasions, but just kept on scoring while the Nets did not, and it was Mike who was the unquestioned engine of this comeback. Finished it off by hitting the game winning shot, although only got that opportunity after missing his first attempt with Brad keeping the ball alive, and the Nets channeling their inner Game 4 (you know, THE Game 4) with Mike wearing the "Horry" across his back. So...:confused:
Reef ( B- ) -- had an early hoop, looked like he had another, but got blocked by the fossilized remains of Cliff Robinson. Got most of his rebounding numbers on one of those miss, rebound, miss, rebound, score sequences. Followed with a hit over Boone. And was part of our run to get back into it at the end of the third as the Nets had nobody much to guard him. We tried feeding him for a stretch there and caused problmes doing so, but he seemed to tire and the Nets were doubling and his effectiveness evaporated. Brad replaced him for the stretch run, and a good thing too given the big play to help win it.
Corliss ( C ) -- caused problems for the Nets inside in the first half with their fearsome Josh Boone, Mikki Moore, Boston Nachbar frontline not having the apprpriate matchup. But struggled therafter to finish and could not hit his FTs. Was nonetheles on the court for the early stages of our comeback, but there was just too big a gap between his performance and our making a run to attribute much of it to him, unless his mere presence jsut scared the Nets into submission. ;)
Salmons ( B ) -- had a quiet first half aside from a couple of assists. But near the end of the third hit two open threes that the Nets dared him to take that broke a huge NJ run and were the majort catalysts for our comeback. Unfortunately then kept on shooting them and missed both his 4th quarter attempts, the first one via airball. Nonetheess the timing is critical to this grade. Without those shots, we lose. literally. That simple. Nor are they shots he's even any good at. Just hit some big shots to give an otherwise dead body a shot of adrenaline. I just hope that the powers that be realize its still a corpse and as soon as the adrenaline wearns off, its going to collapse back over in a flatline heap once again.
Garcia ( A- ) -- some hustle in an ok first half stint, and helped give us a little spark to close the third as he came in along with Salmons to give us some energy. Hit a couple of shots in those minutes, and then bopmbed a deep (and dumb) three to pull us wihtin 8. Missed his next, but his hustle and length on the boards were a decisive factor as evertbody on New Jersey decided simultaneously that as long as they were at Arco they might as well suck like a King. The "cleanest" of the good grades both because Cisco has been endangering his career wiht his play thuis far this season, and because he was given far less chance to stink up the joint before playing hero, and so there isn't an overwhelming negative vibe to his heroics.
Douby ( INC ) -- was inserted and removed so quickly in the second quarter I'm not sure why we bothered. Did nothing tonight, but then again had little time to do more than tie his sneakers.

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-- not sure I can complete these, will poke at it. Missed the start of the game, was completely disgusted by our team, and take no real joy in us winning like that. That might be too much uncertainty, disgust and ick for grades.


I say just skip the grades. I have no idea how you could do it. Maybe just grade the fourth quarter. We had NO business winning tonight if you based it on the first 4 quarters.

We won. It was fun at the end. It's all good for tonight.
 
Bibby... F.... wait A .... :D

LOL! It was definitely an F for 3 quarters. A on the 4th. Maybe a C? But 3 quarters > 1 quarter. My head aches trying to grade Mike. I'll leave it to Brick.

This might be the toughest for Brick to grade.

1st 3 quarters: 1/5/1, 0/6 shooting
4th quarter: 15/1/2 , 5/8 shooting (2/3 from 3) -- including the last 14 points of the Kings.
mixed in 3 steals along the way.
 
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LOL!

this might be the toughest for Brick to grade.

1st 3 quarters: 1/5/1, 0/6 shooting
4th quarter: 15/1/2 , 5/8 shooting (2/3 from 3) -- including the last 14 points of the Kings.
mixed in 3 steals along the way.


No, the tough part of this whole thing is that a win like this terrifies me. It terrifies me that its going to be seized upon by a do nothing GM and a dip**** pair of owners as an excuse to do stupid things with long term ramifications for my team. So I can't even cleanly root for my team to win anymore because them doing so might end up killing the bleeping franchise's future. I can deal with guys having crappy games and one good quarter. But I can't factor in the ick of that one good quarter actually potentially hurting us through the medium of the idiots in charge.

That's my boggle. When we win one now we don't deserve, I can't chuckle about it anymore. The fanbase is dying, there is no arena, and we suck and desperately need to convince a slowitted management team of that fact before we can reverse the other problems.

There is a tradition here, and so I'm sure I will get to these grades here after I clear my head of the icky feeling of winning and being almost upset by it. But I'm thinking I may have to start taping these things and know the outcome before watching them for grading purposes just so I can settle in without all the political garbage clouding the field.
 
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No, the tough part of this whole thing is that a win like this terrifies me. It terrifies me that its going to be seized upon by a do nothing GM and a dip**** pair of owners as an excuse to do stupid things with long term ramifications for my team. So I can't even cleanly root for my team to win anymore because them doing so might end up killing the bleeping franchise's future.

That's the part I'm stuck on, as well.

Any other season, and I'm still cheering like a dope an hour later.

Tonight? Woot.

Kinda.
 
No, the tough part of this whole thing is that a win like this terrifies me. It terrifies me that its going to be seized upon by a do nothing GM and a dip**** pair of owners as an excuse to do stupid things with long term ramifications for my team. So I can't even cleanly root for my team to win anymore because them doing so might end up killing the bleeping franchise's future. I can deal with guys having crappy games and one good quarter. But I can't factor in the ick of that one good quarter actually potentially hurting us through the medium of the idiots in charge.

That's my boggle. When we win one now we don't deserve, I can't chuckle about it anymore. The fanbase is dying, there is no arena, and we suck and desperately need to convince a slowitted management team of that fact before we can reverse the other problems.

There is a tradition here, and so I'm sure I will get to these grades here after I clear my head of the icky feeling of winning and being almost upset by it. But I'm thinking I may have to start taping these things and know the outcome before watching them for grading purposes just so I can settle in without all the political garbage clouding the field.

So would you be opposed to this team turning it around this season? I mean obviously a turnaround is very unlikely. But if the Kings ala last season all of a sudden got their *** in gear and started playing well would you be unhappy with that?
 
24: A+ what an absolutely great TV show. I am not ashamed to say that I missed the end of tonight's game to watch 24 live...
 
Actually, I felt kind of good that the team has one win to celebrate a little (us too). But I have to admit to those same nagging issues. Will someone take it as an indicator that we are actually better than our record? I couldn't take that.:(
 
So would you be opposed to this team turning it around this season? I mean obviously a turnaround is very unlikely. But if the Kings ala last season all of a sudden got their *** in gear and started playing well would you be unhappy with that?

Turnaround to what?

Go undefeated for the rest of the season and playoffs and win the championship? Not gonna happen, but yippee! if it does.

Get their **** together so that they can get bumped in the first round again? Yes. I'd be very much unhappy with that.
 
Get their **** together so that they can get bumped in the first round again? Yes. I'd be very much unhappy with that.
Ditto. Getting to the playoffs when you haven't been there in years is exciting. Settling for that year after year would be a special circle in h*ll.
 
SacKings384 is just going to look at the glass half full every game. If they win they won! if they lose it's one game closer to a high draft pick. Either way, it's like you can't lose!
 
So would you be opposed to this team turning it around this season? I mean obviously a turnaround is very unlikely. But if the Kings ala last season all of a sudden got their *** in gear and started playing well would you be unhappy with that?


Yes, I think I would.

Its all a bunch of B.S. at this point, leading nowhere. I certainly wouldn't be buying those pointless playoff tickets this year, and since I presume such a scenario involves us making no changes, and they oh so saavily ask for comittments on season tickets before you get a chance to look at the offseason, that would very likely be it for the season tickets too. My own personal little vote of no confidence. Be time to unhitch and drift away. Return to the bad ole days maybe when I split my attention from afar, watching the hometown team with a certain amount of pity, knowing they were idiots and were never going to win and just kind of accepting the goofy stupidity of it without sweating the outcomes, and then watching other/games teams to actually see exciting basketball with interesting players/teams.
 
Whoa whoa whoa. It was one game. Let's not get too excited either way. Nothing has changed -- the team still has problems, the coach can't coach. One quarter does not a turnaround make, just like the Boston game didn't start a winning streak, and one quarter is not going to suddenly convince the Maloofs that all's well in Kings land. Geez, we looked like crap out there until Jason Kidd decided the game was over in the 3rd Quarter and gave the game away.

Mike Bibby still can't play defense, Brad Miller still can't block shots. The sun will rise tomorrow in the east. Even the Sixers and Celtics win once in a while.
 
Whoa whoa whoa. It was one game. Let's not get too excited either way. Nothing has changed -- the team still has problems, the coach can't coach. One quarter does not a turnaround make, just like the Boston game didn't start a winning streak, and one quarter is not going to suddenly convince the Maloofs that all's well in Kings land. Geez, we looked like crap out there until Jason Kidd decided the game was over in the 3rd Quarter and gave the game away.

Mike Bibby still can't play defense, Brad Miller still can't block shots. The sun will rise tomorrow in the east. Even the Sixers and Celtics win once in a while.


All fine. I know that, you know that. The damage to our lottery position is real, but minor.

But what I cannot know or trust, and will not for a month or so, is whether either the GM or owners, whoever is running the show at this point, gets it too.

Therefore until that trading deadline, until I know what the people with power understand or do not understand, I am caught in no man's land. Any good fortune heading our way deeply distrusted. Losing sucks but is almost oddly reassuring in that it puts pressure on the front office to do something. Winning is confusing and even alarming, winning when you do not deserve to do so even moreso.
 
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and one quarter is not going to suddenly convince the Maloofs that all's well in Kings land.

I'm not so sure about that, considering there's a legitimate question as to whether the seven game losing streak was even enough to convince them that all isn't well in Kings land.
 
So would you be opposed to this team turning it around this season? I mean obviously a turnaround is very unlikely. But if the Kings ala last season all of a sudden got their *** in gear and started playing well would you be unhappy with that?

You Kings fans are a lucky breed. Some of you are so young that you don't remember the Kings of old that were perpetual losers (pre-Mitch Richmond).

Well, you've been spoiled long enough. This team flat out sucks and you will finally get to go through the process known as "rebuilding." Oh and consider yourselves even more lucky because you get to suck in the one year that has 3 legit superstar players in the draft. (along with several other greats as well)

Sometimes you gotta suck it up to get better. Most fans have been through this, now its your turn.
 
You Kings fans are a lucky breed. Some of you are so young that you don't remember the Kings of old that were perpetual losers (pre-Mitch Richmond).

Well, you've been spoiled long enough. This team flat out sucks and you will finally get to go through the process known as "rebuilding." Oh and consider yourselves even more lucky because you get to suck in the one year that has 3 legit superstar players in the draft. (along with several other greats as well)

Sometimes you gotta suck it up to get better. Most fans have been through this, now its your turn.

Okay, there are some things that I think are best left among Kings fans to talk about. I have no real problem with most of your stuff, but as a Rockets fan I don't think it's really appropriate for you to be shaking a finger at my fellow Kings fan on a Kings board and lecturing to us about being spoiled long enough...
 
I'm not so sure about that, considering there's a legitimate question as to whether the seven game losing streak was even enough to convince them that all isn't well in Kings land.

I guess what I meant is that if a losing record, a seven game losing streak, completely uninspiring basketball and poisonous chemistry aren't going to convince them that things aren't going well then on the flipside they're not going to be swayed by one really ugly comeback victory.

But hey, I don't really know what goes on in their heads and maybe they really are the gamblers. Maybe tonight they just won a quarter at the slot machine and they'll want to pour in a few more losing dollars.

I just think the team will continue to lose and we'll be right back where we were after a few more games.
 
You Kings fans are a lucky breed. Some of you are so young that you don't remember the Kings of old that were perpetual losers (pre-Mitch Richmond).

Well, you've been spoiled long enough. This team flat out sucks and you will finally get to go through the process known as "rebuilding." Oh and consider yourselves even more lucky because you get to suck in the one year that has 3 legit superstar players in the draft. (along with several other greats as well)

Sometimes you gotta suck it up to get better. Most fans have been through this, now its your turn.

I WANT the rebuilding process just as bad as Brick does. I am worried about mediocrity. I am worried of the Kings not turning it around but not being god awful either. I am worried that we'll finish the season with 38-40 wins. I am worried that we will beat the Memphis's and the Bobcats of the league but that's about it. I am worried the Kings won't suck enough to get an impact player in the draft. I am worried they won't suck enough for the front office to do anything. But on the other hand I wouldn't be completely opposed to a turnaround, and when I say turnaround I mean a huge turnaround. But of course this season is pretty much ruined anyways. It's too late to get any higher than a 7th seed. Bring on the rebuilding.

You wanna talk about how horrible it was to suck long ago? I would WELCOME constant sucking. What I will not welcome is mediocraty and leaving the management thinking "well they could turn it around" Give me a crap team, a team competing for a championship, or a team on their way to competing for a championship. There's no victory in hovering near .500
 
Ok, with this one final bizarre notation I am going to quit procrastinating and put up some grades:


I just think the team will continue to lose and we'll be right back where we were after a few more games.


Here's the rub, the weirdness, the ick -- I find myself thinking if I could be sure of the above coming true I would actually be able to just take tonight for what it was, and go "yay".

All comes back to a deep deep distrust of our decisionmakers at this point. If I knew they were going to do the right thing regardless of outcomes on the court it would make rooting so much easier. Well..except then there's the draft position and franchise talents down in the lottery...[sigh]. So maybe not. All I know is that your statement does not strike me as odd, tratitorous, or confusing. It in fact its almost oddly comforting.

Ok, enough wallowing: grade time.
 
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All fine. I know that, you know that. The damage to our lottery position is real, but minor.

But what I cannot know or trust, and will not for a month or so, is whether either the GM or owners, whoever is running the show at this point, gets it too.

Therefore until that trading deadline, until I know what the people with power understand or do not understand, I am caught in no man's land. Any good fortune heading our way deeply distrusted. Losing sucks but is almost oddly reassuring in that it puts pressure on the front office to do something. Winning is confusing and even alarming, winning when you do not deserve to do so even moreso.


That is exactly how I feel. Losing puts pressure on the FO and it is 1 step closer to a rebuild in a year that has potential stars in the draft. I'm sick of this team getting into the playoffs and losing in the 1st round. We need a franchise player to go far!
 
I missed the fourth quarter becasue we watched "24" instead. As for the depression and frustration around here, nothing this bad lasts for that long. I am confident that trades are in the planning stages. I suspect that the management people are studying the college guys as we complain. Something will be done.

The arena? Who knows? I personally believe that the arena issue plagues fans more than paltry team performance. We are a lot like rats treading water in a bucket.

Actually, I once gave an inspiring speech based on the behavior of rats drowning in a bucket of water. It ultimately resulted in my early retirement. Some people simply have no appreciation of metaphors.

The deal is, according to the study, if you pull one rat out just before he drowns, let him rest a while, then throw him back in, he will tread water for up to 24 hours. Hope keeps a drowning rat going. Does this sound like Kings Fans?
 
The deal is, according to the study, if you pull one rat out just before he drowns, let him rest a while, then throw him back in, he will tread water for up to 24 hours. Hope keeps a drowning rat going. Does this sound like Kings Fans?
qd wins the thread.
 
Okay, there are some things that I think are best left among Kings fans to talk about. I have no real problem with most of your stuff, but as a Rockets fan I don't think it's really appropriate for you to be shaking a finger at my fellow Kings fan on a Kings board and lecturing to us about being spoiled long enough...

Certainly no offense meant, but my point is that the hesitancy to acknowledge that rebuilding is a necessity is quite high.

Nonetheless, I'm just a bitter fan that has had to live through "rebuilding" for over a decade and we're now just finally seeing the light of the playoffs. I don't revel in seeing you guys feel like crap about your team but the point is that you'll have to get used to it.

Either way, Oden/Durant/Wright in 08!
 
Certainly no offense meant, but my point is that the hesitancy to acknowledge that rebuilding is a necessity is quite high.

Nonetheless, I'm just a bitter fan that has had to live through "rebuilding" for over a decade and we're now just finally seeing the light of the playoffs. I don't revel in seeing you guys feel like crap about your team but the point is that you'll have to get used to it.

Either way, Oden/Durant/Wright in 08!


You mean 07?;)

Anyway brick did a good job with the grades. It feels weird that I'm kind of sick of us winning games though...
 
It's funny, because even as bad as we are, we still find a way to beat a couple Eastern Conference teams.
 
We also found a way to lose to several more. We found a few ways, in fact; hell, I think that we might have even invented a few new ones... is that funny, too?
 
I was really happy for the players.

I was sad for the franchise.

Winning a third of our remaining games is a frightening and very real possibility. Winning half is unlikely, but would be a total nightmare in the long term.

I wonder how clearly anyone will be able to judge the roster when the management is as it is. And yet, I have little hope that Muss and company will be replaced in the next 12 months. Put the two together, and you can see that I'm not as optimistic as I could be.

I'm no longer sure what would be worse -- Petrie quitting, or Petrie staying without being able to enforce a coherent vision of the team's future. Especially if it would be another scenario where the guy who does the best Powerpoint presentation would get GP's job. That would royally suck.

I guess I should join Brick in the "I am reluctant to discuss wins" club.
 
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