[Grades] Grades v. Mavs 04/10/12

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Marcus was back. Tyreke was back. The Boogie Monster was back. And yet we still lose by double figures. How? Real simple actually -- we let the other team score 110. Again.

So. Theme. Even though I don't think we are trying to do it, its still working out the same way for us. So Theme tonight = Tanks. P.S. I have an actual tank driver in my family -- my dufus cousin. But please believe me when I say he is not the source of my interest in tanks -- he is the perpetually embarassing relative, you know the guy. The loudmouth constantly bragging about how he has this piece or that piece of illegal weaponry at home, and showing it off in facebook pictures. Who starts fights at Thanksgiving with his brothers about who could shoot who first with which of their guns. Who will proudly send out tweets about how if the terrorists ever come to Colroado he's goign to blow them away with...just whatever. As a rule I just ignore him and pretened hs does not exist. I can only imagine how insufferable it would be to be stuck in a tank with him for days on end. I'd probably just pop the hatch and surrender to the first person I met just to escape.

Boxscore

Evans ( B ) -- and all of a sudden he was back. Got off to a good start in all ways, slashing to the hoop as well as leading the team in early assists without turning the ball over. Had one selfish three off his dribble in the 2nd, but also knocked down two jumpers. Got some hoops off off the the ball movement, but also got rejected sevral times instead when our passers led him right into big shotblockers, and he doesn't have the hops to finish those with a dunk. A couple of times after half just accelerated across the lane and slammed into Marion to draw fouls and go to the line. Was missing his FTs though and only finished 1-4. Had a real struggle trying to keep the bigger, stronger, hopier Marion, who spent the prime fo his career as a 20-10 PF, off of the glass as we got pummeled there. This was a solid looking game, but you could feel the tension again -- he was playing well and the largest impediment to this being an impact game rather than a "playing well" game was simply competition for opportunities at the perimeter spots. Caused me to make a grading shift here, and bump him half a grade higher than I would have normally -- if a guy plays well, efficiently uses his opportunities, hits 50% of his shots and has a 5-1 ast/TO ratio, but isn't more dominant because the number of opportunities is limited, can only mark it down so far. May become the new norm, who knows. 16 and 5 isn't quite enough production for a main guy with the ball in his hands all the time. For a secondary weapon kept off ball and out of the loop for stretches its pretty god productivity though,even if its not impact play.
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M4 Sherman -- having established that my cousin is not the source of my interest in tanks, I think maybe just the standard boy's childhood fascination is, supplemented by the scores of old 50s/60s WWII war movies that were always on TV when I was growing up. And since Hollywood is American, these Sherman tanks were frequently used by the heroes. They were the good guy tanks in WWII. Now fact of the matter is they really weren't particularly powerful tanks. They clocked in at about 30 tons, and carried a 75mm gun through most of the war. That was sufficient for them to defeat the early Panzers they encountered at the beginning of the war, but as the war went along the Germans kept on building bigger and stronger tanks, and the Sherman did not keep up (and its relatively high profile was not exactly idea for tank to tank combat). By the middle war tank battles had begun to take on a King Kong aspect with Allied forces just throwing waves of inferior Sherman tanks at lone superior German tanks, and tyring to overwhelm on sheer numbers alone. Not suprsingly this meant a high casualty rate amongst the Allied tank crews, but given America's industrial might we wee simply able to produce the realtively cheap Shermans at a much faster rater than the Germans were able to replace there own losses.

Greene ( C+ ) -- got the start in place of JT, whether due to Thompson's recent struggles, or for matchup purposes against Dirk I don't know. Despite the modest statistical production, got off to a nice start on defense vs. Dirk, and saved a break with a big block after he had turned it over on the other end of the court. Now in the end was Dirk's noticeably awful game due to Donte. No, I don't really think so. But on the other hand Donte is the perfect style of player to challenge old Dirk, and he nveer let him get anything easy to get him going. So stats or not I think was largely a successful outing on that front. Now where it wasn't was on the boards, where Donte oddly boarded like a SF, and Demarcus was left all along in there on the glass.
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Panzer IV -- as long as we are doing the classic WWII tanks, the fearsome blitzkrieg by which Nazi Geramny tried to sweep through all of Europe in the early days of WWII was powered by the Panzers, not only the Panzer IV here which became the calssic German tank, but originally by its smaller gunned cousin the Panzer III who German pre-war tank gurus had thgouht would be the main weapon, until actual warfare taught them that having an itty bitty gun = not good. But even the Panzer IV's weren't a particularly powerful tank at 25tons -- it was the new blitz tactics that made them so fearsome, not their actual fighting capability -- and they struggled to even hold their own against the Shermans when they arrived. And when they turned east to the Soviet Union, they were in for a rude surprise that quickly had the German war machine scrambling to create heavier more powerful tanks in response.

Cousins ( A ) -- yep, the Boogie Monster was back after his 3 game Clippers inspired vacation, and if anything his hugeHakeemesque numbers may not truly indicate the silly talent he flashed in this one. Got off to fast start all over the court, pts, rebs, a couple of nice passes, got his hands on all kinds of things on defense on his way to 4 first half steals. Was all alone on the boards in the early going as we were geting crushed, and started getting a little frustrated late in the half. Had some real highlight plays throughout. Had some amazing full speed spinnnig drives and finishses around the hoop which I feel safe in saying no center in the game except Boogie could pull off. Nice job lurking on a Beaubois drive, lulling him and then smushing the shot when Beaubois tried to quiclky sneak it up. Beautuifl move on Yi in the post after Yi stopped his move intiialy, but Boogie kept his pivot foot, and after a few seconds looking for someone to pass to, repivoted on a spin to the hoop. Slowed in the 4th as the Mavs started doubing and even tripling him. Came up with one last great steal, his 6th of the game as a center, at the 1 minute mark of the 4th, batting the ball ahead to trigged a break and get us to 8 and I suppose the miracle prayer chance to pull it off.
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T-34 -- named the T-34, this tank doesn't have the name recognition of either the Sherman or Panzers, and yet it was generally considered the greatest tank of WWII, and played a significant role in why you aren't speaking german right now -- unless of course you are reading this from Germany. After quickly finishing Western Europe, when Hitler turned his attention to the Soviets in 1941, he faced a largely underequipped and unorganized opponent, and his intention was to route the army and blitz his way all the way to Moscow almost unchallenged. It was a shock to his commanders when they started to encounter the T-34s, which used a number of innovations to be the most effective fighting tank of the early war era, and easily outclassed the Panzers they were matched against. The heavily sloped armor was a huge step forward from the relatively high stiff profiles of tanks like the Sherman, which were just asking for a hit in the chest. The tank ran on diesel fuel, which was much less likely to catch on fire in a firefight, its suspension and wide treads made it far more maneuverible across terrain. Ironically it had all the classic Soviet hallmarks of being incredibly uncomfrotable for its crew, having an inefficeint interior layout, lacking basic necessities like radios etc But its fighting characteristics allowed the Soviets to inflict a fearsome toll on the advancing Panzer divisions that allowed the nation to survive the first onslaught, and sent the Germans scrambling to create a new breed of tanks to contend.

Thornton (B- ) -- was back and just as explosive as a scorer as ever, althought in this one the scoring was notably all he did (ever moreso than normal). Off and racing for fastbreak hoops from the beginning as he was frequently the finsiher juicing our fastbreak game. Racked up 11 first half points, although having defensive issues again as all too often he was the guy trailing behind the latest Mav to go slicing down our lane. Came right out in the thrid and immediately drained a long jumper but got quiet, and its chicken and egg whether his getting quiet was the result of, or the cause of, IT startign to look for his own offense in the third. In any case wasn't getting the same quality of shots, wasn't getting as many, and wasn't in rhythm when he did take a shot. Stepped up to hit an important three in the early 4th to get us back within double figures, but was rarely heard from thereafter, and had a couple of turnovers in the mid qiarter helping the Mavs reopen the lead. Still, Marcus is a scorer, and he scored for us. not a great effort, but all three of the Marcus/Reke/It duo gave us pretty good ones. Its just a problem of them having to steal from each other in order to do so.
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Cavalry Tanks -- the picture above is of a BT-2 Soviet tank from the 1930s -- I selected it just because of the hilarious addition of old style headlights. In general though, the "cavalry tank" was originally a British idea from the interwar period betwen WWI and WWII. The idea was that there would be two types of tanks, the light, fast "cavalry" tank that would take the place of the roles horsebound cavalry had used to have, and heavier "infantry" tanks which would be slower armored turrets to support infantry units. The Brits had them, the Soviets had them with their BT series, even the Germans, who were the first to kind of "get" tank warfare started the war with the idea that the more cavalryesque Panzer III would be thier main tank, rather than the heavier Panzer IV. But really what this doctrine was was just ignorance. Tanks were new, they had been very primitive in WWI. Most of the generals thinking up strategies were old farts from the days of cavalry themselves, and so they just kind of made up the "cavalry tank" idea on paper and said, hey, that's a good idea. Except the problem was to get them mobile, the cavalry tanks were lightly armored and lightly armed, and as soon as the real fighting broke out generals rapidly realized what a really dumb combination that was to have, the heavier "infantry' tanks were found to have far more survivability, and tank designs got heavier and heavier as the war went on.
 
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Thomas ( B ) -- not there in the early stats, but was making good plays to help grease the early offense. Some shaky play late in the half, getting caught on a pick up top as his man blew to the hoop, and fumbling the ball on the break while wide open and turning it over. Changed his focus after half to being more of a scorer, and as sometimes happens with our irratinal team structure not sure it was for overall betterment. Which isn't to say IT didn't score well -- he did. He got inside around Kidd several times, knocked down a three, and was our best weapon of the third quarter. But probem always is that when he does that, Reke gets lost, Thornton gets out of rhythm, and we lose as much as we gain. Made a great team play late hwoever, as Reke stole the ball, aaced it back in over his head as he was going out of bounds to a streaking IT, and as Reke came streaking back up the court, IT passed up his own layup to flip it to the guy who started the whoel thing for a layup. Those are important little team/chemistry developing plays. One unwritten rules note IT: when the other team is classy enough at the end of a game to not even take a shot on their final possession and just accept the 24sec turnover and hand it back to the ref rather than trying to score on you, the classy response in kind on your part is supposed to be not throwing up the pointless shot at the buzzer.
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Main Battle Tanks (MBT) -- pictured above is the current German MBT, the Leopard. During WWII there was all that nonsense with cavalry tanks and infantry tanks, and heavy tanks that were almost invulnerable and could not move etc., but by the end of it it was medium tanks with big guns that could penetrate any armor that begin to become the standard, and that idea gradually took hold until the idea of a "Main Battle Tank" evolved in the 1960s. All of the variosu other tanks were largely replaced by versatile, fast, and heavily armed MBTs which had the pwoer to kncock out any tank, and the speed to avoid getting knocked out themsevles. Most countries have had generations of them.
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Bench

Fredette ( C+ ) -- defenseive issues again as just not able to stay in front of guys or effect them in transition D, but got set up for a couple of early hoops, and had a nice confident three in the mid 2nd just before leaving, faking his opponent to run by him, and then calmly draining it. Nice drive and dish on the break to JT for the +1 dunk in the early 4th. Missed several jumpers in the early 4th, but then pulled up without hesitation for a 28 footer with us down 8 in the mid 4th. He drained it to get us within 5, but one of those if he misses it is a terrible shot given situation. Then underscored that risk by airballing his next one. Much more involved than he's normally been, althouh not efficient as a shooter.
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M1 Abrams -- the main battle tank of the U.S. Army and Marines for over 30 years now, its gone through multiple iterations (M1A1, M1A2, now working on M1A3) incorporating improved technology to keep it tops on the battlefield. Its one of the heaviest MBTs in the world at 68tons, has carried a 120mm cannon with an effective range of over 2 miles since the M1A1, has a 50cal machine gun, 2 lesser machine guns, one of which can be fired remotely, has a 1500hp engine that can run on basically anything (gas, diesel, kerosene, probably cooking oil) but which the U.S. army normally powers with jet fuel in its 500 gallon gas tank, and since the 80s has added depleted uranium reinforcements to its composite armor (when we sell these to our dubious "allies" in the Mid East we typically remove the depleted uranium layer so that we can kill them if we ever end up fighting our own tanks). My dip of a cousin will tell you he can press one to 70mph, but anything above 45mph is dangerous and 60mph is supposed to the top speed.

Thompson ( C ) -- missed his first pair of FTs again, and ineffective in the first half off the bench. Came back in in the mid third and got a +1 dunk on the break from Jimmer, but missed the +1 as well. Kept misstiming offensive rebounds and coming up with fouls instead and never at any point looked comfortable out there. Still worked his way into enough productivity to claim back half of his PF minutes, but I thik overall less effective than the numbers.
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T-90 -- Russia's current MBT, although...well, its kinda mess. You see, the Soviet Union for a long time had competing tank programs going on during the Cold War. Some of that may have been the internal politics of a communist state with various factions wanting their own toy. In any case, the MBT of the Soviets from 1970 onward was called the T-72. But there were also comepting programs, which by the time of the fall of the Soviet Union included a T-80, whcih was a better tank, but more expensive. Except Russia went broke, and could only kleep one tank, so the peeps backing the T-72 tried to make sure it was theirs, and especially after the terrible performance of the T-72 in Desert Storm against the M1A1s, they knew they needed an upgrade. So they took a lot of the better features of the T-80, and tried to squeeze them into the T-72 and the end result was the T-90, which has continued to sort of add this and that peicemeal through the years so that no two T-90s are alike. In any case, notably inferior to the Abrahms in everyway except a focus on anti-aircraft weaponry -- its kind of a bulked up hyrid of an older tank.

Hayes ( INC ) -- one word: ineffective. And with Boogie rolling and fouls nto a problem, never came back. Should be noted, Smart is a smallballer, but Chuck Hayes has had some success against Dirk in the past at PF. Of course tonight that extra ddefense against Dirk was hardly needed.
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Battlezone -- one of my favorite arcade games of the 80s as you drove your tank aroudn through a wireframe world and blew up enemy tanks and UFOs. Really dsiappointing though that there really was no way to ever drive to that volcano.
 
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Williams ( C ) -- nice job upon entering of looking for the hot Thornton, but with all 3 of ou main perimeter guys firing away, and then Jimmer firing away as well, were no shots for Terrence. . Really not effective in his second half stint this time -- one of he few times that's been true this year, but just looked lost in the shuffle. Did close his stint in style with great hustle getting back to block a dunk on the break, but the Mavs got it back and scored anyway.
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Terminator Hunter-Killer tank -- oh what? you don't think we're going to eventually droneize our tank forces? Pfft. Skynet will be crunching your skulls before the century is done.

Whiteside ( INC ) -- broight in at the very end of the third for a few minutes of Boogie spelling, but failed to shut down the middle. Bad hands and fumbled an offensive board in the early 4th.
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KV-VI Behemoth -- this one is not sci-fi. In the early days of tanks some of the early designers were a bit...grandiose. In this particular case this ridiculosuly oversized beast was invented by the Soviets as the Germans advanced. Its history is amusing. When asked how it would ever turn around, Stalin said "It does not need to turn, it will drive straight to Berlin." they actually managed to build a couple of them. The first prototype was rushed to the defense of Moscow...at which point the reaar turret accidentally shot the center turret and the whole tank exploded. The second prototype was sent to Leningrad...and broke in half trying to cross a ravine. 15 men and 1 commander were required to run the beasties, but it was all just too much.

Salmons ( A+ ) -- I'm not buying the mysterious "hip injury" any logner John, but thx for taking one for the team and claering minutes for TWill
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Grotte Bolshevik tank -- and this one was never made. But it was the Soviets again, thinking big, literally, in the way they did. All the way back in 1932 the designed E. Grotte proposed building this mega-behemoth that would have required 60 men to run. I have no idea what he thought would power it.
 
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Oh, we aren't tanking on purpose. Smart is doing his best to win these game and prepare us for the playoffs next year, as he's openly admitted.










No, that isn't joke.
 
Oh, we aren't tanking on purpose. Smart is doing his best to win these game and prepare us for the playoffs next year, as he's openly admitted







No, that isn't joke.

Well, if he's planning on not coaching the team next year, he may be right.
 
Turn-overs, missed free throws and being out rebounded killed the Kings tonight again. The bright side is that the season is almost over so the losing will stop. :p
 
"If we play defense, and rebound, we'll be in a lot of games."
To think we could have had a shot at Thibs.
 
"If we play defense, and rebound, we'll be in a lot of games."
To think we could have had a shot at Thibs.

Jim Grey: Coach, penetration and def rebouding is killing you, what can you do to improve the defense and keep Dal off the boards?

Smart: Our problem is quick shooting. We're quick shooting which is leading them to get out and get easy baskets. Take better shots and our defense will be fine.

After that statement he ran out a Jimmer/MT back court to stop penetration? I was paraphrasing, but that's pretty close to the conversation they had. While quick shooting does lead to easy baskets, that isn't anywhere near the top of the list of our defensive problems. Yet repeatedly when asked about defense, Smart starts blaming the offense. I'm personally convinced he doesn't coach that end, or know how to coach that end, nor does he put much importance on it. My guess is sooner or later we'll hear from the players one way or another about not spending much time on defense, as happened eventually with D'Antoni. Everyone saw it, and finally when a new coach was brought it the players remarked on how much they are concentrating on defense under the new coach. Look no further than D'Antoni's time in NY vs player comments under Woodson. One coaches defense, the other is all about run & gun, out score the opponent.
 
i have to say that i'm a bit surprised by how little attention demarcus cousins' rise this season has gotten at the national level. he's kept his cool, for the most part, and has strayed away from making negative headlines. his recent incendiary remarks about blake griffin, which are honestly corroborated by many around the league, are about all the press he's managed to garner. i know the kings are wallowing amongst the basement-dwellers of the nba, and rarely strike any notes worthy of national attention, but c'mon, demarcus has to be the one player on this team everybody around the league can agree on, at this point...

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4687915/rapid-reaction-mavs-110-kings-100

"[The Mavericks] had no real answer for intriguing young big man DeMarcus Cousins, who finished with 25 points on 11-of-21 shooting and 18 rebounds."

"intriguing"?! 25 and 18 (with 6 steals, to boot) qualifies as a bit more than "intriguing," in my opinion. that kinda stat-stuffing is absolutely kevin love-esque, a player who has been getting insane amounts of praise on another lottery-bound team in a small market. in the last 10 games, demarcus has averaged 22.5 ppg and 11.8 rpg in only 33.8 mpg. he's approaching superstar territory very, very rapidly, and the league still thinks of him as "intriguing." he's gotta cut down on the fouls, and improve his shooting percentage, but "intriguing" describes his rookie season. "on the cusp" seems a much more apt description, at this point. i wonder how the media will react when he finally breaches that echelon...
 
I don't mind giving up 110 points as long as we keep the opponent FG% below 42-43% but tonight we allowed 44%+ and the Mavs had many second chance opportunities which made that 44% look like 50%.. Not to mention 7 of 14 from 3pt is just terrible.. Our perimeter D was atrocious. Thanks, MT/Evans/IT for that.
 
Missed the game tonight except the very end. I see that Thompson didn't start. I see that he hasn't been played much since he hurt his ankle. What's up? Hurt? Playing poorly? What?
 
The more I think about it, the more it's on Reke/Cousins to lead by example and start playing at a high level on defense every night and have that effort trickle down to everyone else. We can *****, whine and moan all we want about everyone else, but it starts with them. Every star worth a hoot in the NBA brought it on the defensive end, and the ones who were average were godly enough offensive players to make up for it (Durant/Dirk).
 
can we please get a real nba coach please? everyone they have brought in since adelman has been a joke. Smart seems better suited to coach a veteran team, we need someone that will have the respect of the players and learn to play team basketball and most importantly defense. This team has 1 piece(Cousins) that is a keeper, with two good players in Tyreke and Thornton but both are expendable for the right pieces. Its sad that year after year in the lottery and this is the best roster the front office can put together. this team has way too much iso offensive players, and no defensive players or specialists(3 pt shooters, wing defenders etc). Its like the front office plays NBA 2k12 all year to decide what works best for moves over the summer or drafts. The best teams have their 2 or 3 main stars/scorers and everyone else is a roleplayer with a role (shooter, defender, rebounder, shot blocker etc).

This team has Cousins, tyreke, Thornton, Isaiah, Jimmer, Salmons, Donte Greene, Terrence Williams, Travis Outlaw which are all scorers who prefer to create for themselves in isolations, thats 8 rotation players that all think alike, that is insane from a management standpoint that they think they could get all these guys and make it work. This roster needs a complete overhaul(at least the starting lineup).

this is how our lineup should be next season

pg: spot up 3pt shooter(Derek Fisher type)
sg: Tyreke (hopefully with improved jumper........i can dream it)
sf: spot up 3pt shooter/wing defender specialist
pf: defensive pf that does the dirty work/ stretch 4 if cousins develops elite post game
C: Cousins

as you can see, imo we have 2 players in our current roster that are starters on a winning basketball team. If JT played every game as the 13 pt 15rbd player he has shown he can be, then he would be the third. Thornton is a 6th man scorer, Isaiah is a change of pace emotional leader off the bench. Jimmer could potentially be the spot up pg we need next to tyreke, but his defense will have to improve alot, his ball handling as well.
 
The more I think about it, the more it's on Reke/Cousins to lead by example and start playing at a high level on defense every night and have that effort trickle down to everyone else. We can *****, whine and moan all we want about everyone else, but it starts with them. Every star worth a hoot in the NBA brought it on the defensive end, and the ones who were average were godly enough offensive players to make up for it (Durant/Dirk).

Tyreke definitely needs to play with more focus on the defensive end. He could be so good on that side of the floor, especially against guards. DMC is getting to the level offensively where even if he plays no defense he wins the matchup. And while he will never be a shotblocker, I think he can develop into an adequate post defender with his size and quick feet. The fact is we need a defense oriented coach and defense oriented role players. As Brick's thread clearly illustrates, this franchise does not do defense. That is on the owners, the GM, and the coach way more than it is on the players. Do we draft Leonard? No, we draft Jimmer. Do we overpay Dally? No we overpay Hayes(who is never going to be half the defender that Dally is I don't care what people say) and Outlaw. Do we hire Tom Thibodeau? No we hire Westphal and now Smart. No matter how good DMC and Tyreke are on the defensive side of the ball, they can't guard 5 guys. And they cannot change the culture of no defense and losing because of it.
 
I felt that the defensive switching and recovering was better in this game than it has been in awhile. There were some blown recoveries here and there, but it wasn't as constant a problem as it has been. Dirk didn't have as many wide open threes as he normally gets versus the Kings and Kidd had less open threes as well. The team got beat on picks and curls to the basket from the side, which is poor weakside help and poor movement by Cousins or Whiteside at times. Cousins blocked one of these plays, but the Kings gave up some easy layups and dunks as well.

Overall, I don't think the Mavs were getting any shot they wanted. Sadly, that's an improvement for the Kings defensively.
 
I felt that the defensive switching and recovering was better in this game than it has been in awhile. There were some blown recoveries here and there, but it wasn't as constant a problem as it has been. Dirk didn't have as many wide open threes as he normally gets versus the Kings and Kidd had less open threes as well. The team got beat on picks and curls to the basket from the side, which is poor weakside help and poor movement by Cousins or Whiteside at times. Cousins blocked one of these plays, but the Kings gave up some easy layups and dunks as well.

Overall, I don't think the Mavs were getting any shot they wanted. Sadly, that's an improvement for the Kings defensively.

They are still not getting back on defense. Cousins loafed several times getting back. He's going to need to get in better shape for next year. If this team can't find within itself to run back on D, I just don't see how we can expect the other more finesse parts of the defense to be much better. I did see Greene make a fantastic play getting back on defense after he turned the ball over. Blocked the shot. What's unfortunate is that it is so noticeable because it's such an unusual occurence from this team.
 
Actually, I felt that our offense was a lot more consistent and spaced this game. We were getting guys good open shots, setting Cuz up inside for several dunks etc. On defense Beaubois got by Jimmer at will, often forcing us to switch one of our bigs onto him, which did not end well.

One thing that I notice is Tyreke seems to be playing for the block on transition D. He kinda jogs back just tracking the guy in front of him then puts on a burst of speed to try and get the block. May not show much defensive discipline, but all in all may be the correct play for him given that he doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of smaller, quicker guards coming down the court at full speed.
 
They are still not getting back on defense. Cousins loafed several times getting back. He's going to need to get in better shape for next year.

And he will get in a little better shape but he will never be a track athlete. If we are running one way then running the other then turning it over and running back Cousins will break down. He isn't built for the running offense. This is why a good running offense will be run when its there with 2 or 3 guys and if it isn't there you back it out and get into a half court when your other guys catch up. Big men have to run much further every game for every break and to get back in transition. Baseline to baseline. This is also why alot of running teams fail to get back in transition they are expending allot of energy one way to save it the other.

Can he get better at it yes but guys like JT and Greene are designed to run more uptempo guys like Cousins are there to power through or talent around in the low block/half court game.
 
can we please get a real nba coach please? everyone they have brought in since adelman has been a joke. Smart seems better suited to coach a veteran team, we need someone that will have the respect of the players and learn to play team basketball and most importantly defense. This team has 1 piece(Cousins) that is a keeper, with two good players in Tyreke and Thornton but both are expendable for the right pieces. Its sad that year after year in the lottery and this is the best roster the front office can put together. this team has way too much iso offensive players, and no defensive players or specialists(3 pt shooters, wing defenders etc). Its like the front office plays NBA 2k12 all year to decide what works best for moves over the summer or drafts. The best teams have their 2 or 3 main stars/scorers and everyone else is a roleplayer with a role (shooter, defender, rebounder, shot blocker etc).

This team has Cousins, tyreke, Thornton, Isaiah, Jimmer, Salmons, Donte Greene, Terrence Williams, Travis Outlaw which are all scorers who prefer to create for themselves in isolations, thats 8 rotation players that all think alike, that is insane from a management standpoint that they think they could get all these guys and make it work. This roster needs a complete overhaul(at least the starting lineup).

this is how our lineup should be next season

pg: spot up 3pt shooter(Derek Fisher type)
sg: Tyreke (hopefully with improved jumper........i can dream it)
sf: spot up 3pt shooter/wing defender specialist
pf: defensive pf that does the dirty work/ stretch 4 if cousins develops elite post game
C: Cousins

as you can see, imo we have 2 players in our current roster that are starters on a winning basketball team. If JT played every game as the 13 pt 15rbd player he has shown he can be, then he would be the third. Thornton is a 6th man scorer, Isaiah is a change of pace emotional leader off the bench. Jimmer could potentially be the spot up pg we need next to tyreke, but his defense will have to improve alot, his ball handling as well.

I would just like to point out something. When Adelman was the coach here, there were tons of fan debates about his rotations and line ups. And I dare say they were way worse than anything we have on Keith Smart. The point is that fans are never going to be happy with the coach they have. Sure there are some bad ones lately and they have called the Kings bench home. The problem is that you won't know when you have a good coach because he's going to get hammered too.
 
And he will get in a little better shape but he will never be a track athlete. If we are running one way then running the other then turning it over and running back Cousins will break down. He isn't built for the running offense. This is why a good running offense will be run when its there with 2 or 3 guys and if it isn't there you back it out and get into a half court when your other guys catch up. Big men have to run much further every game for every break and to get back in transition. Baseline to baseline. This is also why alot of running teams fail to get back in transition they are expending allot of energy one way to save it the other.

Can he get better at it yes but guys like JT and Greene are designed to run more uptempo guys like Cousins are there to power through or talent around in the low block/half court game.

The entire team has to become more committed to get back on D. Every-body. Unless they just want to keep on losing...
 
I would just like to point out something. When Adelman was the coach here, there were tons of fan debates about his rotations and line ups. And I dare say they were way worse than anything we have on Keith Smart. The point is that fans are never going to be happy with the coach they have. Sure there are some bad ones lately and they have called the Kings bench home. The problem is that you won't know when you have a good coach because he's going to get hammered too.

yes, but it should be noted that it usually centered around jaded fans clamoring for adelman to go deeper into his bench, a la paul westphal and keith smart. during his time in sacramento, adelman was dependable to a fault. he rarely used more than the same eight or nine man rotation. such staunch conservatism may indeed be a weakness in the nba, but it also breeds consistency. the kings won during their golden era because each player understood their place. c-webb was the man. peja was the dead-eye perimeter threat. mike bibby was the clutch-shooting pick and roll catalyst. doug christie was the defensive specialist. and vlade was the glue. things didn't unravel until webber's knee gave out, and the balance of these roles was upset, by fans, by the national media, by "journalists" like ailene voison, etc. the ****-storm was brewing long before webber had even come back from that injury. webb would never be the same, but neither would the kings, because adelman had unfortunately been stripped of his ability to control what he does best: stabilize a talented starting unit...

adelman knows how to get out of his own way, a talent surprisingly uncommon amongst nba head coaches. just look at the san antonio spurs. popovich may fiddle around with his lineup a bit, but, like adelman, once he gets something that works, he rides it all the way to the playoffs, no matter how many naysayers claim that the spurs are set for a comedown. how many years have the "experts" been making such a claim now? yet the spurs consistently top the western conference, in spite of their collective age. its because of their coach. plain and simple. pop knows how to maximize talent, no matter the age, no matter the decline, no matter what the media thinks. he's unflappable. adelman is only a few notches below a guy like popovich because he knows how to maximize talent. paul westphal does not. keith smart does not. they have their own idea of what a basketball team should do, and they ignore the talent on the court to implement a "system". if the players happen to fit that system, then it reflects positively on the coach. isaiah thomas would be an example of a player who has flourished under smart. however, when one of the team's best players is displaced by the system, it reflects very poorly on the coach. tyreke evans being shifted to the SF, where he is less effective, would be an example...

and, in my opinion, demarcus cousins would be another example. i know he has had a good season, but i have maintained that he's done so in spite of his coach. if you watch closely, demarcus usually gets his points the hard way. he's a rebounding machine, particularly on the offensive end, and snags garbage points on put backs. he very occasionally gets his baskets on assists, but his poor shooting percentage is mostly a reflection of the sheer will he exerts when attempting to score. he rarely gets the ball down low from entry passes into the post. his teammates have trouble getting him the ball there, or they have trouble recognizing that they're supposed to get him the ball there, or the coach simply refuses to craft plays that help to get him the ball there. when he does, he usually uses his unique combination of size, strength, and quickness to score. he's a goddamn beast down low. but it should happen more than a few times a game. it should be the first option. the kings don't run much pick and pop to maximize the impact of cousins' midrange game, either. they don't utilize his considerable passing skills. ultimately, the kings don't play through cousins, which is the biggest mistake you can make when you've drafted the kind of franchise center who can alter the entire complexion of your team for the better, and for a decade, if you're smart enough to recognize that talent early, utilize it properly, and lock it up long term...

in short, the importance of an excellent coach to his basketball team cannot be overstated. and similarly, the negative effects that a bad coach can have on his basketball team cannot be overstated. when its all said and done, paul westphal and keith smart (and geoff petrie, and the maloofs; a good/bad gm follows the same pattern above, as does ownership) may have run guys like tyreke evans and demarcus cousins out of town because they failed to understand that maximizing such talent by surrounding them with complementary players that merely highlight the excellence of your stars is the ticket to the playoffs. but instead of doing so, its been one cluster**** after another with this crew of owners, management, and coaches. something's gotta give, and soon. with a great head coach like, say, nate mcmillan unfairly ousted in portland, you bite the bullet, fire smart, pay him for the extra year you stupidly extended his way, and show highlight reels of demarcus cousins to nate mcmillan until the money you've bathed him in while he's watching becomes impossible to turn down. of course, the maloofs won't do this. they probably can't, with the state of their finances being what they are. and, as a fan, there is nothing more damning than realizing that your team is playoff material with a few obvious tweaks, but without the means to make those tweaks...
 
You can't ask halfcourt players to run and gun, and then yell at them to get back on D. There's a reason this team walked up the ball early in the season/last season. It's how they're built. Tyreke is designed to operate in the halfcourt. DeMarcus is designed to be the first option in a halfcourt game. In a sense, this year has been a waste, because their individual skillsets and abilities have been negated in order to score more points. Good teams, no, great teams can win with scoring around 90 or so points a game. We're trying to round hole our two square pegs, which are unfortunately (fortunately?) the cornerstones of our franchise, and our only hopes of getting out of this perennial malaise.

Like it or not, the hopes of becoming a contender depend on the development of Evans and Cousins, but it has to come at their natural roles. It has to come with the ball in Evans's hands in a halfcourt setting as a guard. It has to come with DMC down on the block or at the elbow initiating. It can't come from Evans being a better "off the ball player" (he uselessly runs around while others shoot? come on.) It can't be in a run and gun offense where DMC has to sprint back because someone took a quick shot at the top of the key.

I haven't looked at DMC's defensive numbers, but I'll wager he was a much better defender when the pacing was more naturally suited to his style. Ditto Evans, and pretty much everyone else. Just yelling at them and telling them to run faster pretty much tells me we have a coach that doesn't know how to work with the talents he has.
 
Tyreke is designed to operate in the halfcourt.

Excuse me, what?

How on earth could you say that? he's the ideal open court player - on the halfcourt (unless you let him bounce the ball for the entire clock and let him play 1v5 sacrificing the entire offense so he can be a volume scorer) he's a terrible player cause the defense forces him to take alot more jumpers and close his penetration as much as possible knowing that's the only thing he can do - and the kid can't shot a jumper to save his life from about 3 feet out, being arguebly the worst shooter in this league.
 
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Sorry but some fans beat on Adelman wanted him gone every bit as much as other want Smart gone too. I was a huge fan of Adelman and knew the Kings had a good one. But you couldn't convince some that he was the reason for everything wrong. There were the constant arguments over who should be starting. Hedo over Peja, Miller over Webber, bench Jwill, plays the wrong guys, ruined Gerald Wallace because he wouldn't play him. Played starters too many minutes... actually got fired because he wouldn't kiss the Maloofs butts to their liking! Some on here are positively drooling over Nate McMillen. But Blazers fans actually started up I Hate Nate facebook pages over the guy. Until the Maloofs are finally booted as Kings owners, you can hire and fire a dozen cheap coaches. But the pattern won't change until it's changed from the top down. Maybe Smart isn't the guy long term, but he's done enough good things short term that firing him is a worse option than keeping him for now.
 
They are still not getting back on defense. Cousins loafed several times getting back. He's going to need to get in better shape for next year. If this team can't find within itself to run back on D, I just don't see how we can expect the other more finesse parts of the defense to be much better. I did see Greene make a fantastic play getting back on defense after he turned the ball over. Blocked the shot. What's unfortunate is that it is so noticeable because it's such an unusual occurence from this team.

Cuz isn't built for run and gun type play, and neither are most centers, nor should they be expected to be your line of defense to prevent other teams from fast breaking and scoring in transition against you. Smart wants us running at every opportunity, which leads to more quick shots, and longer shots which in itself leads to more transition opportunities for opponents. We're not working for the best shot in a half court set, we're working for the first shot, no matter where on the court and even having guys getting pulled for not jacking up enough jumpers....

This all leads more transition opportunities for opponents, and you're blaming Cuz for not getting back when he has the farthest to run? Well, why are we putting our 270lb center in that position? He's racing down the court and before he can set up shop in the post a guard jacks up a quick jumper, leading to a long rebound, we're off in the other direction and you're blaming Cuz for not being one of the first back?

Well, lets look at the top centers in the game and ask how many of those would are built for up and down, run and gun, transition games.

Howard? No, but might have the best shot of the current centers in the league at racing back and and breaking up constant transition opportunities, although it isn't his strength obviously. Half court defense is where opponents are shaded towards him.

Marc Gasol? No way.
Andrew Bynum? No way
Hibbert? No way.
Andrew Bogut? No way.
Kaman? Nope
Chandler? Better than most, but he's rarely getting back and stopping transition opportunities.

Shaq? No
Hakeem? No
Ewing? No
Vlade during our golden era? No

Teams with dominant center do not run and gun and give opponents so many scoring opportunities in transition. What they might do, is come together and form very good half court defensive teams which like to get out and score in transition when the opportunity presents itself. But that's completely different than our undisciplined approach to both sides of the ball.
 
Sorry but some fans beat on Adelman wanted him gone every bit as much as other want Smart gone too. I was a huge fan of Adelman and knew the Kings had a good one. But you couldn't convince some that he was the reason for everything wrong. There were the constant arguments over who should be starting. Hedo over Peja, Miller over Webber, bench Jwill, plays the wrong guys, ruined Gerald Wallace because he wouldn't play him. Played starters too many minutes... actually got fired because he wouldn't kiss the Maloofs butts to their liking! Some on here are positively drooling over Nate McMillen. But Blazers fans actually started up I Hate Nate facebook pages over the guy. Until the Maloofs are finally booted as Kings owners, you can hire and fire a dozen cheap coaches. But the pattern won't change until it's changed from the top down. Maybe Smart isn't the guy long term, but he's done enough good things short term that firing him is a worse option than keeping him for now.

Who are the other teams around the league offering head coaching positions to our last five coaches?

Muscleman
Theus
Natt
Westy
Smart

Problem is when some fans act like our head coaches are legit NBA head coaches. If they were, they'd have been offered head coaching positions elsewhere after we canned them. But we put non NBA head coaches in head coaching positions, and then some fans step forward and act like there's nothing to complain about. Who were the teams battling for Smarts services after his stint in GS last year? Oh that's right, none, as a head coach. But you think McMillan won't be offered a FEW head coaching positions this summer? The problem is fans who put the five coaches above on the same level as an Adelman or McMillan.
 
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Who are the other teams around the league offering head coaching positions to our last five coaches?

Muscleman
Theus
Natt
Westy
Smart

Problem is when some fans act like our head coaches are legit NBA head coaches. If they were, they'd have been offered head coaching positions elsewhere after we canned them. But we put non NBA head coaches in head coaching positions, and then some fans step forward and act like there's nothing to complain about.

Muss - coaching lakers D League team
Theus - On Rambis staff for 3 years. Currently not coaching. Looking at college positions.
Natt - India's senior mens head coach for their upstart federation.
Westfail - too soon after firing, but doubtful to ever get another coaching gig.
 
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