[Grades] Grades v. Magic 1/8/12

[Tetsujin]

Really? Find me one post where a guy calls Jimmer not ready or that he's making rookie errors, has a lot to learn, and actually posts with some sense and then gets shot down unfairly for it.

And tell me whether the following post is trolling or not.



If posters here are properly critical of players, show respect and sense in their posts and criticize objectively they will be in turn treated with respect. If you're just going to throw **** out like "He's been completely unimpressive he makes Quincy douby look good." and hasn't shown anything "special" then don't expect people to consider your opinion carefully.

Or are we supposed to just agree with people's criticisms that Tyreke is lazy and fat?

You're supposed to agree because the opinion is true, Demarcus Cousins is a cancer, we need to fire Petrie 5 years ago, we never should have traded Kevin Martin or Omri Casspi, Tyreke is a bust, and we should have drafted Rubio.

 

[mac]

You're supposed to agree because the opinion is true, Demarcus Cousins is a cancer, we need to fire Petrie 5 years ago, we never should have traded Kevin Martin or Omri Casspi, Tyreke is a bust, and we should have drafted Rubio.

I had a dream that Jimmer tried to kill one of the assistant coaches and they were strangling each other and stuff, because someone called Jimmer a ******. I think we need to trade Jimmer because he's clearly a ticking bomb.

 

[UK_King]

Jimmer isn't ready we all know that, we all knew that when he was drafted, we all know it now.

but i object to people saying "he's terrible" - no he's not terrible, the same people saying that we're probably saying "He's the next Adam Morrisson" before the draft.

Demarcus didn't get this treatment last season when he had abysmal games, where he fouled out with a load of turnovers and went 3/19 or something.

 

[mac]

Jimmer isn't ready we all know that, we all knew that when he was drafted, we all know it now.

but i object to people saying "he's terrible" - no he's not terrible, the same people saying that we're probably saying "He's the next Adam Morrisson" before the draft.

Demarcus didn't get this treatment last season when he had abysmal games, where he fouled out with a load of turnovers and went 3/19 or something.

I think there's a difference between saying Jimmer was terrible for the game and that Jimmer is a terrible player. He's not a terrible player, and it's far too early to tell even if he is. But he has been having some pretty terrible performances

 

[UK_King]

I think there's a difference between saying Jimmer was terrible for the game and that Jimmer is a terrible player. He's not a terrible player, and it's far too early to tell even if he is. But he has been having some pretty terrible performances

Who hasn't on this team

 

[Hadlowe]

Evans - A. Yes, he forced some shots. Yes, he relies too much on his right hand. But his shot was there, he dominated the magic (sans Dwight), and distributed the ball well tonight. Two games in a row he has played well with alot of heart. Let's hope he keeps it up.

Cousins - B. Equal parts brilliance and flabbergastingly poor decision-making. C'est la vie. He took Dwight out of the game completely and dominated the first quarter, then took himself out of the game with foul trouble, driving into charges, silly reaches, bad take charge attempts, etc.. He returned for a big block in the fourth. I considered a B minus, but that spinning post move around Big Baby was flat out gorgeous.

Thornton - C. One hot streak in the middle of the third. Cold shooting night in general. Defensively, he wasn't awful, but also did not really stand out. At least two long rebounds offensive he could have scrambled to get, but didn't seem to realize it. That needs to change.

Salmons - D+. Opened the game with an awful turnover on the dribble. Four for eight shooting which isn't objectively bad, but missed his open looks and is still forcing bad looks in traffic. I still don't like him trying to take his guy off the dribble. The one drive to the basket for the layup was nice, though.

Hickson - B- Lots of hustle and work on the boards, but he still is not boxing out his guy. Let Big Baby pick up a few offensive boards he shouldn't have. He has been knocking down the midrange pretty consistently the last few games. That is potentially huge, by allowing us to space the floor around Cuz. Of course, he needs to be able to catch a pass in order to knock down those midrange shots. That one awful outlet pass cost him a B.

Bench:

Thompson - C+. Bobbled a number of passes that would have turned into scores otherwise. Put in alot of effort and got some good looks. Had a very good play moving to the basket off the Salmons pass. Good hustle on a loose ball that he ruined by making a panicked pass to Thornton, leading to a turnover. Mixed bag.

Fredette - C-. Awful turnover to start the game (stop jumping before you pass, this goes for Tyreke as well.) Lobbed up a bad three early in the shot clock in crunch time that got him yanked from the game. I think if that goes in, Coach Smart still yanks him. Otherwise, put in solid minutes. Good passes off the dribble to open folks got him two assists, and if Salmons could hit a three or JJ or JT could catch a pass, he would have had a few more. Three shot attempts and two assists in thirteen minutes. About where he should be. When he starts hitting shots and learns to get past screens on D, he will be a big addition to this team.

Outlaw - C-. Stop shooting threes. Your shooting hand is in a cast. A few good drives and decent movement off the ball this game, though. Defensively, he wasn't awful, which is an improvement over the season thus far.

Thomas - C. Limited minutes, and not much to show for them. His first instinct is to drive, which isn't a bad thing. He's quick and can get by his guy, but until he gets a good floater, he's going to get lost in the middle. Fumbled a pass from Cousins (which wasn't his fault as the pass broke the sound barrier) and scrambled to get it back.

Overall, we played a good game. If our shooters are on or if Cousins can stay out of foul trouble, we win this one and win it big. There were flashes of good team play, and if we continue to develop there, we are a year away from a playoff run.

 

[IfAt1st]

BTW - hilarious and obscure theme this game, Brick - some of those painters show an amazing lack of perspective or awareness of human anatomy. I was looking for some 6-fingered or toed kids, but couldn't spot any.

Also - does anyone remember Demarcus getting FIVE turnovers?
I don't remember nearly that many, I was surprised to see him get tagged for that many in the box score.

 

[Jkbiker]

I would like to add another option for the poll on
Which hurt us the worst?

o Having to listen to Bill Walton the entire Game ! (Ooooh my ears!)

 

[pshn80]

You're supposed to agree because the opinion is true, Demarcus Cousins is a cancer, we need to fire Petrie 5 years ago, we never should have traded Kevin Martin or Omri Casspi, Tyreke is a bust, and we should have drafted Rubio.

AND then what did the Lord do on Tuesday?

 

[Kingster]

Jimmer isn't ready we all know that, we all knew that when he was drafted, we all know it now.

but i object to people saying "he's terrible" - no he's not terrible, the same people saying that we're probably saying "He's the next Adam Morrisson" before the draft.

Demarcus didn't get this treatment last season when he had abysmal games, where he fouled out with a load of turnovers and went 3/19 or something.

Not true. There were several on this board that thought he was ready to be the Kings point guard this year. That opinion has subsided considerably since the beginning of the season.

 

[KingBen]

Not true. There were several on this board that thought he was ready to be the Kings point guard this year. That opinion has subsided considerably since the beginning of the season.

I still think Jimmer is the best option at point guard. He has yet been given the chance to run the point by himself for a good part of game. When he does have the ball the offense actually resembles what an offense should look like. He is moving without the ball, and trying to find open lanes. I like what I have seen.

 

[kennadog]

Brick: Your theme hits on something I've thought for a long time. Notice that most of the Mary's are no beauties either.

What's also weird to me is that in certain periods the facial features on the humans seem to conform to some specific boilerplates, where everyone ends up looking pretty much the same, men or women. Like the bloated faces with no discernible eyelids or the tiny, pouty little rosebud lips, or the straight-bridged noses.

Those are some unreal babies, though. As a woman, I was imagining the horror I would feel in the delivery room, if they presented me with some of those babies!

Now back to basketball.......

 

[IfAt1st]

Brick: Your theme hits on something I've thought for a long time. Notice that most of the Mary's are no beauties either.

AFAIK, the concept of beauty was VERY different back then.

Go look at Botticelli's "Venus", etc etc etc - there's little doubt that those depictions of Mary were considered tasty in their time.

However, that baby with the 6-pack is a crime. What f-ed up artist would depict a baby with rock-hard abs like that?
Answer - one who only knew one type of anatomy to draw, or one that was overly (homo)sexualizing the image (note the see-through top on the mom).

More ugly babies here: http://uglyrenaissancebabies.tumblr.com/

 

[mac]

Who hasn't on this team

Exactly, no one. And they've been criticized when they've played terrible, just as Jimmer has. I don't see what's wrong with saying a player played badly. If you're referring to the idiots who start threads saying that Jimmer makes Douby look good etc, is the worst player after Outlaw on the team then sure you have a reason to be unsettled. But I don't think that's equivalent to a significant number of non-trolling posters here.

 

[UK_King]

Exactly, no one. And they've been criticized when they've played terrible, just as Jimmer has. I don't see what's wrong with saying a player played badly. If you're referring to the idiots who start threads saying that Jimmer makes Douby look good etc, is the worst player after Outlaw on the team then sure you have a reason to be unsettled But I don't think that's equivalent to a significant number of non-trolling posters here.

That's what i was talking about; no drama.

 

[ParniValjak]

Tyreke is ****...trade him

 

[kennadog]

AFAIK, the concept of beauty was VERY different back then.

Go look at Botticelli's "Venus", etc etc etc - there's little doubt that those depictions of Mary were considered tasty in their time.

However, that baby with the 6-pack is a crime. What f-ed up artist would depict a baby with rock-hard abs like that?
Answer - one who only knew one type of anatomy to draw, or one that was overly (homo)sexualizing the image (note the see-through top on the mom).

More ugly babies here: http://uglyrenaissancebabies.tumblr.com/

I know the concept of beauty was different back then. Heck, our definition of beauty in the USA has changed dramatically over the last 50 years. Marilyn Monroe would have a tough time today as a very overweight woman, even though she was average (dress-size wise) for her time.

In some cultures and times, everybody has similar features in portraits, so you know the pictures probably don't look that much like the person it's supposed to be, but rather is an idealized portrait, according to the cultural prefrences of the time, instead.

Sorry...last OT post.

 

[IfAt1st]

In some cultures and times, everybody has similar features in portraits, so you know the pictures probably don't look that much like the person it's supposed to be, but rather is an idealized portrait, according to the cultural prefrences of the time, instead.

Sorry...last OT post.

Actually, that raises 2 interesting questions -
1) is it more likely that painters at the time were lazy or purposely homogenizing their subjects into an ideal-for-the-time "look", or is it more likely that people at the time DID look similar, due to cultural and fashion forces in play?
Just during my lifetime, I've noticed a distinct evolution of people's looks where they tend to look similar. For example, during the 80's there were only so many different haircuts, the kids in our yearbooks look pretty similar due to that fashion trend.

2) I think that Brick's themes and the off-topic discussion they can offer are many times MORE interesting than the Kings games they are inspired from.
So I see little-to-no reason to stop having OT discussion in his Grades Threads when they are on-topic to his grade theme.

What do you think?