Grades v. Magic 03/15

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( A- ) -- lot of points tonight, and efficient, and that was a direct result of him not having to work nearly as hard for his offense -- no pressure on our passers and Peja simply ran the break and ran to his spots for open shot and layup after open shot and layup. Looked much more like a traditional Peja effort. Unfortunately traditional in some other ways as well as again did nothing else but score. No boardwork, few passes, and this time out was matched point by point by Grant Hill as well. Gave us the points we needed with relative ease, and the Magic never looked like they had any idea or plan on how to slow him down.
Songaila ( B ) -- good start for Darius both with the jumper, which remains money if you're like the Magic and don't bother to even have a guy within 10ft of him out there, and with his passing, where he briefly filled the shoes of our missing frontcourt assistmen. But was quiet when he returned in the third, and Thomas took back over and played a strong enough game to keep Darius on the bench the rest of the way. At this point his starting job is in name only -- he is getting what my brother used to call "Iavaroni starts", a reference to the old 80's Utah Jazz forward Marc Iavaroni who used to start for years in front of Thurl Bailey + only get about 18 minutes of playing time to Thurl's 30+. Thurl was the real starter, but because he came off the bench on paper he won several 6th Man of the Year awards despite being 2nd or 3rd on the team in minutes every year.
Skinner ( A- ) -- another strong first quarter for Brian, and I think that I really have to alter my grade scale for him a bit now. Does not make sense for him to be some sort of "A" almost every single night. This time did not seem bothered at all by the Magic's superior length, and threw in what is now his traditional double double with 3-4 blocks. Just played his game in there, and the Magic starting duo of Cato and Howard were just awful and put no pressure on him at all to play outside his comfort zone.
Mobley ( D+ ) -- invisible offensive effort for Cat, but did have something to do with the sloppy ugly game Francis put together on the other side of the floor. Also got down in a defensive stance and used his quickness to his advantage checking Hedo and Hill on several possessions. Not really sure why tonight, but largely escewed the drive and the perimeter and was back in the post again. Had some success at times, but also made the decision to post up 6'10" Hedo Turkoglu which was just a giant ???? Suddenly got prominent down the stretch after the game was already decided -- not sure what he was trying to prove. Despite the "D+" grade did not hurt us out there so much as just kind of wasted minutes -- bore some similarity with Peja's 6pt game in its silent ineffectivness, although Cat did shoot better by the end.
Bibby ( B ) -- got blown by on one end by Jameer Nelson, but on the other went pretty much wherever he wanted in the face of the rookie's non-existent defense, and was able to set up his teammates at will. Showed nothing at all with his own offense until the 4th when he exploded to lead us out of the offensive morass which we had fallen into after half. Made all the difference as we opened up the double digit lead once more and held it the rest of the way. Looks like he was just laying in wait all game, and took it over more or less at will. Neither a great nor a terrible effort, but his timing was impeccable. Started off the game dishing to get his teammates involved, played a sloppy quiet third. Then broke out the offense to finidh the Magic. Overall got the feeling he might have quietly been in control of the game all along.
Thomas ( A ) -- had another one of his great 2nd quarters in relief of Darius. This time his size didn't matter, and it was his quickness and our favored 18ft PF jumper that ruled the day. Was covering ground to get to rebounds, beating his man off the dribble. Also distributed the ball well -- not directing our offense but just moving well and seeing guys flash open at the last second + having the wherewithal to hit them with the pass. In fact by the end his overall numbers were very impressive and looked something like the man he replaced: 16pts 11rebs 7ast. Does continue to show a penchant for making dumb turnovers in our own end of the court -- did not hurt us tonight against an inferior opponent, but not something you want to see come playoff time.
Evans ( B+ ) -- made a real impact in his short stints in place of Cat. Hit his shots, checked Francis pretty effectively, and came up with a number of loose balls for steals. In fact one of those games where you wish we said screw the rotation and rewarded the hot player rather than the starter with the additional minutes. But I suspose against a weak EC team at home its not a big deal -- we won either way.
Williamson ( C ) -- ehh...couple of quiet stints where Corliss did not do much. Hit a shot, then came back and had one hit on him. Made a good pass, then turned around and made a turnover. Never mattered in the least.
House ( C- ) -- hit a shot, but had at least as many problems containing Jameer Nelson in his time on the floor as Bibby did.

Adleman ( B ) -- well, these are the sorts of games that we really need to win to stay in the playoff race, and today we did just that. Not a great game, nor an inspiring one. Just a win. Orlando made one run at us, but really not much fight from the Magic and they just handed the game to us on the backs of turnover after turnover and tons of missed easy shots. They did seem to briefly confuse us with a 2-1-2 zone they broke out, but they went away from it fairl quickly and thereafter never seemed to have much of a plan on defense. The complaint here would just be the big big minutes logged by our starters (other than the Darius/Thomas platoon) to beat an inferior opponent at home. Big part of that of course is our season long inability to finish anybody off -- no blowouts R Us. But beyond that, we really need Bobby back so that we will have the confidence to play without Mike, Corliss is a former 6th man of the year (bogus BTW -- that was Bobby again) who in theory should keep Peja under 40min, Mo outplayed Cat tonight and could have gotten more min, and of course the whole Tag for Skinner issue, although I am less worried about Brian's minutes than I am our three offensive weapons. Anyway, a relatively easy victory over a fairly easy opponent at home, and it keeps our position in the playoff pecking order, but I'd just rather not see such big numbers next to our starters' names in order to accomplish it.
 
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I think Cat deserves a better than D+. He was actually passing up open looks and getting the ball to his team-mates who had better looks. That's a huge improvement for him and I think should take him up to the C- level.

I think Peja did a lot more than you gave him credit for, although the grade is okay. When you do a play-by-play, you have to pay very close attention to ball handling, etc. and Peja was a lot more involved in the whole game than he's been in a long, long time. He was hustling, he actually created a couple of shots for himself, and he got the ball to Darius for a couple of nice jumpers.

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Team grade: A- Primarily because they are really starting to gel and getting to play Kings ball. And I like it!!!
 
Bibby=A
Most of Nelsons 13 points came when Bibby was sitting on the bench(I was watching). He had 8 assists by halftime and got his teamates involved early, then when the game gets close he starts off the 4th with 3 consecutive 3's and leads us to victory. Bad 3rd but overall he really tore it up out there, he got in the passing lanes and ran the break well too. He is really pouring on the assists since the trade and is really making all of his new teamates feel more confident... can't even put a value on that.
 
VF21 said:
I think Cat deserves a better than D+. He was actually passing up open looks and getting the ball to his team-mates who had better looks. That's a huge improvement for him and I think should take him up to the C- level.
Agreed. He didn't force it as much as he has been lately. C
 
VF21 said:
I think Cat deserves a better than D+. He was actually passing up open looks and getting the ball to his team-mates who had better looks. That's a huge improvement for him and I think should take him up to the C- level.

I was all for Bricks D+ grade for Cat until i read this ^...i completely forgot but i remember there actually being times (especially in the first half) where i said to myself "wow I thought Cat was gonna shoot that" he was actually passing the ball...and he did give up a few open looks to get others involved...so i think maybe a C- may just be in order

But overall love the grades Brick right on as usual...keep up the good work!

GO KINGS! LETS KEEP IT ROLLIN!!
 
Just a few things that I noticed. At the start of the game, Pedja was happy, you could see it in him. He had a huge smile, hugging and greeting members of the other team, he was just happy and confident. Then when the game started you could see his energy and more hustle than the last few games.

On another note, I'm starting a new theory, which I think is true, but maybe someone can prove me wrong. Their is a rift between Pedja And Mobley. How many times have I seen a situation where Cat should pass to Pedja, and he never gives him the ball. When Pedja goes to set a screen for mobley, he does it so pathetically as if their is a grudge between them. They just don't look like teammates out there. Cat would rather drive/shoot than pass to pedja, while Cat also passes to everyoen else on the team (other than #16)? is it just me, probably, but just an idea.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, Excellent grades, and once again thank you for the PBP :D
 
VF21 said:
I think Cat deserves a better than D+. He was actually passing up open looks and getting the ball to his team-mates who had better looks. That's a huge improvement for him and I think should take him up to the C- level.

I think Peja did a lot more than you gave him credit for, although the grade is okay. When you do a play-by-play, you have to pay very close attention to ball handling, etc. and Peja was a lot more involved in the whole game than he's been in a long, long time. He was hustling, he actually created a couple of shots for himself, and he got the ball to Darius for a couple of nice jumpers.

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Team grade: A- Primarily because they are really starting to gel and getting to play Kings ball. And I like it!!!

Yeah Cat deserves an A+. He actually passed the ball instead of taking the shot!! I couldn't believe my eyes.
 
Skinner ( A- ) -- another strong first quarter for Brian, and I think that I really have to alter my grade scale for him a bit now. Does not make sense for him to be some sort of "A" almost every single night. This time did not seem bothered at all by the Magic's superior length, and threw in what is now his traditional double double with 3-4 blocks. Just played his game in there, and the Magic starting duo of Cato and Howard were just awful and put no pressure on him at all to play outside his comfort zone.


Yes you do need to raise the bar for Skinner... aint that a witch! Guy come over in a trade we thing is pure bunk and here we are having to decide how much tougher to evaluate his performance. Glad he is getting PT and love from the fans, but lets get down to brass tacks on Skinner. Against any center/PF under 7 feet, I expect to see 15-10-3 along with at least 3 blocked shots (4 is good) The man also needs to hit 60% of his FT's 75% is good. His man needs to be held under 15 points for his defense to be acceptable. That is my expectaitons on Skinner now that he has show what he can do.
 
Bricklayer said:
Peja ( A- ) -- lot of points tonight, and efficient, and that was a direct result of him not having to work nearly as hard for his offense -- no pressure on our passers and Peja simply ran the break and ran to his spots for open shot and layup after open shot and layup. Looked much more like a traditional Peja effort. Unfortunately traditional in some other ways as well as again did nothing else but score. No boardwork, few passes, and this time out was matched point by point by Grant Hill as well. Gave us the points we needed with relative ease, and the Magic never looked like they had any idea or plan on how to slow him down.

Actually, Peja had 3 more points on fewer attempts, in fewer minutes, than Grant Hill. Interesting comparison though considering how badly Peja is compared to other SF in the league. On this night Peja and Grant did have exactly the same number of rebounds and assists.

Bricklayer said:
Adleman ( B ) But beyond that, we really need Bobby back so that we will have the confidence to play without Mike, Corliss is a former 6th man of the year (bogus BTW -- that was Bobby again) who in theory should keep Peja under 40min, Mo outplayed Cat tonight and could have gotten more min, and of course the whole Tag for Skinner issue, although I am less worried about Brian's minutes than I am our three offensive weapons. Anyway, a relatively easy victory over a fairly easy opponent at home, and it keeps our position in the playoff pecking order, but I'd just rather not see such big numbers next to our starters' names in order to accomplish it.

According to the ESPN efficiency/leader page only Mike played 40+ minutes for the Kings (granted, their boxscore page says Peja played 40 but the eff. page says 39). Still 39 is too many for a player working back from injury (and not playing well, but I digress).

I haven't read all the recent threads and this may have already been covered elsewhere but in the last two days RA has been (for him) incredibly forthcoming on the team's status. On the postgame tonight he was quoted on camera as saying he wants more rest for Mike but with Mobley and House on the floor together the team lacks direction and confidence (I am paraphrasing, feel free to correct me if I'm not recalling it correctly :) ).

Post-practice quote after Monday's practice (audio only, courtesy of the Rise Guys on KHTK) for the lack of O-Tag's minutes, paraphrasing again, the guy is not in basketball shape and not playing well when he's been put in the game. Sometimes smaller isn't worse if the effort is there.

O-Tag rebuttal: I was hurt during the pre-season and thought I could play my way into shape during the games, obviously that didn't happen.

Random thought from recent media readings and many years following the status of former Kings players: I've done more than my fair share of criticizing RA over the last couple of years but when you look at what former Kings players have accomplished on the teams they played for after they left Sacramento as opposed to how they played while they were here; either RA is a better coach than any have given him credit for or GP is an even better GM than many have proclaimed him to be. I say keep 'em both for as long as you can. :D

GO KINGS!

EDIT: Oh yeah, I don't disagree with your grades for anyone, just the commentary.
 
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Kings-Lakers-Fan said:
Just a few things that I noticed. At the start of the game, Pedja was happy, you could see it in him. He had a huge smile, hugging and greeting members of the other team, he was just happy and confident. Then when the game started you could see his energy and more hustle than the last few games.

On another note, I'm starting a new theory, which I think is true, but maybe someone can prove me wrong. Their is a rift between Pedja And Mobley. How many times have I seen a situation where Cat should pass to Pedja, and he never gives him the ball. When Pedja goes to set a screen for mobley, he does it so pathetically as if their is a grudge between them. They just don't look like teammates out there. Cat would rather drive/shoot than pass to pedja, while Cat also passes to everyoen else on the team (other than #16)? is it just me, probably, but just an idea.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, Excellent grades, and once again thank you for the PBP :D

Please do not make a Pedja vs. Cat debate. Pedja and Cat played fine together same Cat and anyone. I do not think for one secound there is rift between them. Cat is used to looking for his own shot. It is just his style. He was never much of passer before. Wait awhile and you will see Cat will get better playing team ball. Remember he is not used to playing with team that is so unselfish. Watch once it hits playoff time he will get more comfortable.
 
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AleksandarN said:
Please do not make a Pedja vs. Cat debate. Pedja and Cat played fine together same Cat and anyone. I do not think for one secound there is rift between them. Cat is used to looking for his own shot. It is just his style. He was never much of passer before. Wait awhile and you will see Cat will get better playing team ball. Remember he is not used to playing with team that is so unselfish. Watch once it hits playoff time he will get more confortable.

WORD!
 
Kings-Lakers-Fan said:
On another note, I'm starting a new theory, which I think is true, but maybe someone can prove me wrong. Their is a rift between Pedja And Mobley. How many times have I seen a situation where Cat should pass to Pedja, and he never gives him the ball. When Pedja goes to set a screen for mobley, he does it so pathetically as if their is a grudge between them. They just don't look like teammates out there. Cat would rather drive/shoot than pass to pedja, while Cat also passes to everyoen else on the team (other than #16)? is it just me, probably, but just an idea.

How 'bout we, as Kings' fans, just stop creating excuses or looking for some reason for anyone not passing the ball to Peja due to a personality conflict. Wipe the slate clean now the CWebb is gone.

Of course, had Peja continued to struggle (glad to see him break out of his scoring funk, at least), I'm sure AV would have been right behind you with this little hypothesis.

EDIT: others already beat me to the original point (but I promise I didn't crib the above from others).
 
I'd like to take 4cwebb's suggeston one step further:

How about we, as Kings fans, QUIT trying to spot rifts between our team members? If they exist, there's nothing we can do about them anyway but if they don't we're wasting a lot of time and creating hard feelings that carry over for nothing.

Just my three cents...
 
VF21 said:
I'd like to take 4cwebb's suggeston one step further:

How about we, as Kings fans, QUIT trying to spot rifts between our team members? If they exist, there's nothing we can do about them anyway but if they don't we're wasting a lot of time and creating hard feelings that carry over for nothing.

Just my three cents...

I was working on a really great theory about the ball boys' role in the decline of Mike Bibby's defensive prowess and how the resulting feud is tiring Mike out as he now has to rebound his own ball during shootaround.

Is that still fair game?
 
VF21 said:
I'd like to take 4cwebb's suggeston one step further:

How about we, as Kings fans, QUIT trying to spot rifts between our team members? If they exist, there's nothing we can do about them anyway but if they don't we're wasting a lot of time and creating hard feelings that carry over for nothing.

Just my three cents...

Agree with both of you.
 
I like having Cat as an option in the 4th. Both Peja & Mike need screens to get their shots off... Cat can back people down and get to the hole -- create his own shot. He didn't have a lot of points today, but he created a little in the 4th when we needed a bucket. Just a good element to have out there (fills a bit of the BoJax void).
 
GoGoGadget said:
I was working on a really great theory about the ball boys' role in the decline of Mike Bibby's defensive prowess and how the resulting feud is tiring Mike out as he now has to rebound his own ball during shootaround.

Is that still fair game?

Hmmmmm.

As long as it's not the cute blonde ball boy.

;)
 
GoGoGadget said:
Its the one who always shaves his head....

to mock Mike, of course.

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Kings-Lakers-Fan said:
On another note, I'm starting a new theory, which I think is true, but maybe someone can prove me wrong. Their is a rift between Pedja And Mobley. How many times have I seen a situation where Cat should pass to Pedja, and he never gives him the ball. When Pedja goes to set a screen for mobley, he does it so pathetically as if their is a grudge between them. They just don't look like teammates out there. Cat would rather drive/shoot than pass to pedja, while Cat also passes to everyoen else on the team (other than #16)? is it just me, probably, but just an idea.

Oh please, don't start another "feud" while there are still flames coming out of the ashes of the old one. Cat is, after all, a SHOOTING guard, n'ces pas? :D
 
Reminds me...

REG: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the f**king Judean People's Front.

P.F.J.: Yeah...

JUDITH: Splitters.

P.F.J.: Splitters...

FRANCIS: And the Judean Popular People's Front.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

LORETTA: And the People's Front of Judea.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

REG: What?

LORETTA: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.

REG: We're the People's Front of Judea!

- M.P. - Life of Brian
 
Pretty good grades. Even though I agree with your grade for Peja, I think your comments failed to mention that Peja was our best defender on Grant Hill. He was all over him. Grant did blow by him a couple of times for layups/foul oppurtunities, but thats to be expected. At one point Peja was out of the game and Grant was killing us, when Peja came back that stopped. Also feel Adelman should have brought Darius back in later in the game for a short stint as KT was being somewhat ineffective. Also Bibby needs more rest.
 
VF21 said:
I think Peja did a lot more than you gave him credit for, although the grade is okay. When you do a play-by-play, you have to pay very close attention to ball handling, etc. and Peja was a lot more involved in the whole game than he's been in a long, long time. He was hustling, he actually created a couple of shots for himself, and he got the ball to Darius for a couple of nice jumpers.

I think this was a major improvement of his last night, I was truly impressed with this. I also think many are expecting things out of Peja that he may never provide. He should just be our main scoring machine. Anything else is just added caramel on that already delicious vanilla ice cream.
 
Kings-Lakers-Fan said:
On another note, I'm starting a new theory, which I think is true, but maybe someone can prove me wrong. Their is a rift between Pedja And Mobley. How many times have I seen a situation where Cat should pass to Pedja, and he never gives him the ball. When Pedja goes to set a screen for mobley, he does it so pathetically as if their is a grudge between them. They just don't look like teammates out there. Cat would rather drive/shoot than pass to pedja, while Cat also passes to everyoen else on the team (other than #16)? is it just me, probably, but just an idea.

::: Puts lid back on that can of worms:::
 
Good Grades ...

I struggle with the A- for Peja ...

Offensively we know what Peja is capable of.

In an interview the other day, Peja admitted he needs to work in other areas of his game. That's the first step .....

I truly believe Peja can improve his game on the boards and improve his mental-toughness.

Imagine that ...

Great game Peja .... keep it up
 
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