Grades v. Lakers 04/18

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Bricklayer

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Thanks for playing all season ladies and gents.

Our theme tonight: HOW DID IT COME TO THIS?


Artest ( B- ) -- missed his own shots, but really helped grease the early offenive explosion with 5 first quarter assists. Kobe was in posterize mode early on the other end, and threw down some big dunks going through Ron or anyone else who got in his way. Finally scored on open court dunk after a scramble play (started when he poked the ball away), but wrapped upt he first half wiht a roleplayer's support numbers. Was in there throughout the third, apparently determined to play every bleeping second of every bleeping menaingless garbagetime game -- and this after he spent much of the seaosn taking time off for various lingering back and knee issues. And was really starting to fire them up too in that period, including a tough left handed finish over 6'11" Kwame Brown -- determined to bless us with one more woss it seemed. Thought we had finally shut him down for the season when he did not start the last quarter -- and then was blindsided when he THEN BLEEPING RETURNS WITH 6 MINUTES TO GO. Good lord. Shoo. Go away. Talk to you next year. Maybe.

DOUG CHRISTIE TRADED -- this one was the real beginning of the breakup of our old title core, coming 6 weeks before the Webber fiasco. The core holdovers including Webb, Doug, Bobby, Mike, and probably after some serious arm twisting, Peja, had even gone so far as to take out an ad in the paper before the season thanking the fans and restating their determination to make another push. But was not to be. The intial trade, for Cat Mobley, did not look that bad. Doug was fading, and we got the better value in return. But then the summer rolled around, and we were unable to either retain Cat, or sign and trade him for anyone (we took a shot at moving Cat for Nene, and damn if that wouldn't have helped -- as predicted he's getting helathy and turning into a very good big). So in the end we basically tore out part of our heart for no return.

Reef ( C- ) -- had room to maneuver inside in the early going, and used it to convert on a couple of spinning post hoops. Came out in the third and that room seemed to have evaporated (and having Justin Williams out there with him rather than Brad to stretch the defense and open the lane may have been part of the reason). Reef struggled, could not finish, got one of his turnovers. Think I may have been rooting for him to stay in there at some point to assure that we got this one in the L column.

GERALD WALLACE LOST TO EXPANSION -- and I've harped on this one before. We lost Gerald due to nothing more than lack of planning. The expansion draft was coming up, everybody knew that you would have to expose one veteran with a guaranteed contract, and we gave the guy that we should have exposed, Anthony Peeler, an opt out clause allowing him to leave us, and force us to expose somebody else. That somebody becoming Gerald, who this season only put up a cool 18.2pts (.502 .319 .694) 7.2rebs 2.6ast 2.0stl 1.0blk. Compare that to Ron: 18.8pts (.441 .357 .743) 6.5rebs 3.3ast 2.1stl 0.6blk. Might have been kind of handy to have around, no?

Miller ( INC ) -- hit little jumpers early, and even threw down a dunk on the break. But also had most of our first quarter turnovers, no rebounhds, and was a spectator as Kwame Brown and pals were holding adunk competition in the paint. And just like that, it was over: his game, his season, maybe his tenure as a King, we;ll see. Never returned after half, presumablky wiht the foot, and Justin started the second half for us. Which again raises the question of why ofh why were we continuing to force feed minutes to this aging pivot with a chronic foot condition through the final weeks of the season? Let him rest already. In any case, if this is it, happy hunting Brad.
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CHRIS WEBBER TRADED -- for "flexible pieces" no less. Don't want to hear it. Not playing diplomat here: this was an asinine trade. And a huge blow to this franchise. Trading Chris Webber indicated panic. But still could have been a possible move at that stage, if you had gotten back ending contracts, kids, picks, whatever. Trading him for what we did......asinine. We'll likely never know whether it was primarily Geoff's idea or the Maloofs' to make this deal, although I have my suspicions. And we apparently get to be reminded of it every day for the next forever as Kenny Thomas lights up the whole room with his cheerful demeanor.

Martin ( C+ ) -- very slow start, barely even looking at the hoop in the face of Mike's crazy first quarter. Not terrible, just largely a bystander. Was headed for one of his lowest scoring outputs of the season unitl he briefly got into a little back and forth with Kobe in the late third -- started when he drew a rare 4pt play on a Kobe foul at the 3pt line, and then after Kobe returned fire, Kevin went back at him and drew a foul (or two?) forgot. Anyway, definite little competitive thing. Of course would have been more impressive if Kobe weren't guaarding Kevin while we had Keivn hidden off in a corner while Salmons checked Kobe on our end, but still. Last, brief little flicker. Still ended up with another poor statistical night for Kevin. Not sure how that's going to effect his MIP chances. Fairly irrelevant of course -- Kevin still had a breakout year whether he wins the award or not, but it would still be a nice capper. Just a lot of competition.

BONZI WELLS WALKS -- the bump to Artest's thump, and a duo which was impossible to matchup with. Also our saving grace on the glass, as this season we got a firsthand look at what we were without a guard rebounding like a PF. We can argue until the cows come home who's fault this was, whether it was intentional, unintentional, whatever, but this was never a list just of our screwups, but a list of the things which have collectively laid a 60 win franchise low and turned it into a 30 win franchise in 4 years. Of course there is also the "we're better off without him" argument, but all I have to say is "scoreboard!" -- we came back with almost exactly the same team we had last year, with improved kids, a full training camp, better health, + Salmons, and yet we got much, much worse. At the point you are looking up from a 33-49 train wreck, time to evaluate clearly and ask what changed. And the only non-speculative factors that changed were the loss of a tough veteran off guard last seen terrorizing the defending champion Spurs, and a veteran Top 20 all time winning coach. Also of course meant that, like Doug, we essentially ended up trading away Bobby for no long term return either.
 
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Bricklayer

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Bibby ( A- ) -- Mike Bibby started off this game completely insane, and delivered a first ballot HOF first quarter hitting shot after shot after shot -- 17pts in something like the first 8 minutes. If he had kept it up he was about to have me advocating strongly to trade his sorry *** to the Gobi Gobblers of the Southwest Mongolian League. Fortunately Muss played cooler in the first half, pulling him near the end of the first quarter to let the kids roam, and Mike thankfully shut it down after half, took his foot off the pedal and was content to just pass the ball around for the most part. In the end it turned out to be nothing more than one final "remember me?" for the Lakers to mull over. And us too, as it may have been one last burst of brilliance before he joins the rest of the Kings greatest generation riding off into the sunset.

SIGNING SHAREEF -- and yes, yes, I know. Used to be quite good, professional, nice guy, yada yada. But when we signed him I voiced opposition -- seemed to be a softish player on the downside of his career, and it was a summer with all kinds of young rebounding/shotblocking bigs floating around. I wasn't buying the Nets' concerns over his knees, thought he might even still eb our leading scorer, but it was obvious he had definitely slowed. Well, here we are two years later, and I think the Nets may have had it right all along. Still has that talent, those spinning post moves, hooks, a full post repertoire, but his knees are wrapped in neoprene, and his gait has slowed dramitically. Beginning to look more and more like Patrick Ewing did there near the end -- just painful, and aged beyond his years. And with his flat out awful boardwork, has simply been the wrong guy at the wrong time for a team that is terrible on the glass. Nice guy or not, has come to epitomize for me the emphasis on offensive skill over size, defense, boardwork, interior toughness. Lets hope this is the summer where all fo that changes.

Douby ( B ) -- played a strong second quarter, and mostly in the way he was supposed to do by rep -- as a shooter/scorer. Struggled to hit from deep, but inside the arc may have been perfect. About all he did, as he neither ran the team particualry well (indeed the vets ran it while he played off the ball even when he was technically our "PG"), and it wasn't the freakish hustle game this time out. Just a solid effort as a smallish scoring point (actually more than just solid early, but a late fade as the Lakers pulled away). Closed out the season with a string of solid games. Nothing thrilling, nothign "star in the making", but enough to maybe hold off any bust talk until next season at least.

RICK ADELMAN "NOT REHIRED" -- I can think of few more dramatic "don't know what you've got until its gone" image rehabilitations than that undergone by Rick Adelman in the last year. But really now, who's fault is that? All Rick had done was deliver 8 straight playoff seasons, which were also incidentally the only winning seasons ANY coach has ever delivered in Sacramento. And it was never enough. The grass was always greener. Well...sometimes it isn't.

Cisco ( B- ) -- decent closing effort out of Cisco, although not an impact game. Buest thing he did was really help out on the glass on another night when we got crunched. Int he first half in particular he had more the stats of a PF than an OG type -- all boards, no scoring. Picked up the offense after half, but never any real consistency there. And the defense...eh...just ok. Do have to winder a bit, jsut as I do with Kevin's defense, whether the extra minutes/offensive focus may not be taking a away a bit from the frantic scrambling Cisco we've become used to. Very hard to do both at a high level. In any case, be that as it may, agains showed his versatility and ability to contribute in various ways, and while it was not his best or a terribly exciting effort in and of itself, it was not bad and just fine as a weaker effort from a guy who put up very good aall arund numbers in his last two weeks. Now I guess we get to wait to see if this little burst leads anywhere next season.

VLADE DIVAC LEAVES FOR LAKERLAND -- you know, originally I was not going to include this in this list simply because Vlade's time was just about up anyway. Obviously he suffered the karmic back injury and barely played for the Lakers before retiring. But I think that as you look back, it was just the fact that Vlade suffered that injury for the Lakers of all teams, that in the end we lost the tug of war for Vlade's heart and that he went to work for that organization, and not ours, that makes it count. Sure, his time on the court was just about done, but given the minimal contributions of his replacement (Tag -- who did help bring in Bonzi...who we then lost for nothing anyway) I think its easier to see the subtle damage this move made. We lost a major piece of our revival and those special teams' soul. And not only from the court, where Father Time was going to take him anyway, but entirely from the organization. And to our hated rivals to boot. It was the beginning of a series of exits stage left, and to date, not a single member (or coach) of those great teams has been reintegrated into the franchise. They are all just gone as if they had never been, and all that is left are the memories. So this is included here for damage to the franchise's soul -- we are emptier for having lost him (amongst others).

Salmons ( B+ ) -- John John John. Tried his best to do us in once again, surging in the 4th quarter to smoothly run the court and hit his shots (well, his inside shots -- came close on one three but it still rimmed out). Was a major reason we were able to hang around, hang around, and there was always the danger the Lakers might turn it over a few times and we'd be right there. Thankfully we made it the summer without such unacceptable behavior doing any more damage to our rebuild. Had little luck with Kobe on the other end, but then again, who does? Solid mistake-free cruising effort by John who in the end proved he can be a solid rotation guy...for somebody. Solid being the key word. Not dynamic enough to be a 6th man type, only a starter on a team in need of a roleplayer. But on the right team a good fill in the gaps 7th/8th man type.

05/08/2003 -- a day that live forever in infamy. And yes, I know, I already did Webber. But that was just the trade. The picture above...well, I've tagged it before. That was the franchise turner. Everything changed that day. Our likely title went poof. Our owners decided depth meant nothing if it could not win it all without the main guy and closed the purse strings. Half the team that was favored to win the title never made it to the next season. Our chemistry deteriorated. The fanbase began to feel cheated of the title they had been told sure was theirs. Panic moves, and water treading moves have ensued. The media turned on the team. Scapegoats, including Webb himself, have been found and burned year after year. Former heroes villified. It may even have helped scuttle any arena momentum. If you had one chance to go back in Kings history and change just one thing...ticking Horry on the elbow might be tempting, turning on a fan to try to blow one of those Game 7 FTs in maybe worth the attempt, but the one that might have made the most difference would be tackling Chris before he took that one awful step. Its been one long slide ever since that day.
 
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Bricklayer

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Williams ( B ) -- did a lot of good things out there again as has been his wont ever since being given his opportunity. But this time there were some cautionary signs as well. Scored a bunch of 2nd quarter points on simple little finishes around the hoop -- and isn't it funny the way he has been able to score more points than many more talented offensive players by just keeping it simple and letting others create for him. But had some misadventures too -- was just overwhlmed and overpowered on a monster power dunk by Andrew Bynum, and it wasn't the only time the much bigger kid just went right through him. Kwame Brown just engulfed him and treated him like a chewtoy on one possession in the second half as well. Not the first time we've seen that, but its just something to file away as his skinny 6'9" body may well be much better suited to off the ball work than battling 7'0" monsters with post games. Also got the second half start, and promptly fouled Lamar Odom out beyond the 3pt line. He's agile, but doubt he's covered many bigs that mobile that far out from the hoop. In any case, like Cisco, not his best ngiht to finish, but another in a long line of solid outings that I would hope would earn him a guaranteed deal this summer. From someone else if for some stupid reason we are unwilling.

THE CURSE OF CHUCKY -- much as I just got done tagging the Webber injury as THE turning point, that's really not true. The seeds of disaster were actually sewn the season before. Its easy to forget that in those halcyon days of 2002 we signed the uber-traveled SF Chucky Brown to come sit on the end of our bench and lend some of his experience and champsionship karma -- he having won a title with the Rockets in 1995. But here was the thing, and something I was absolutely shocked that Geoff ignored -- you sign Chucky Brown, it better be a union for life. You see, Chuck bore a very famous curse. He was a veteran journeyman, dependable if horribly middling. But if you were nice to him, treated him well, gave him time, your team would do very very well indeed with Chucky Brown on your roster. But now if you traded or cut the Chuckster, disaster would surely ensue, and more often sooner than later. If you don't believe me head on over to the Rockets fansite at clutchcity and ask them about the Curse of Chucky-- one of the members of his (former?) fanclub can fill you in on the details -- but it was potent stuff. Felled more than one contender. And our particular punishment for being so shortsighted as to release Chucky was the ruining of our dream season -- we were wracked with injuries throughout 2002-03 -- Miek started the season hurt, so did Pollard, Hedo went down, Bibby came back, Bobby broke his hand, Peja started off hobbled, Webb spent his cutomary 4 weeks out etc etc. Just terrible. And then it was topped by Wwebb's knee, and everything that followed. Retribution was sure and it was swift. Memorize that face above, and if you ever see it, run. Run like the wind.

Muss -- once more onto the breach? In the morning maybe...
 
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I like GW as well but, Him on a team with Felton, Okafor, May all that talent and yet they are in the same place we are. Wonder what we could have done with Okafor.
 
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I like GW as well but, Him on a team with Felton, Okafor, May all that talent and yet they are in the same place we are. Wonder what we could have done with Okafor.
They're all young. Gerald is only as good as he is because he's been forced to be by the new franchise; he could've been a good piece with us, but not on the level he is with Charlotte.

Charlotte has nowhere to go but up, is the thing. They have a lot of young, extremely talented players with a ton of cap room and as soon as they can put the pieces together and sign a significant free agent, they'll be pretty damn good :)

We, on the other hand...
 
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I just hope we don't go out and pay him 10 million a year. G-Wall is good and I always knew he'd be something special, but two words for ya....contract year!
 
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Thanks for playing all season ladies and gents.

Our theme tonight: HOW DID IT COME TO THIS?




Reef ( C- ) -- had room to maneuver inside in the early going, and used it to convert on a couple of spinning post hoops. Came out in the third and that room seemed to have evaporated (and having Justin Williams out there with him rather than Brad to stretch the defense and open the lane may have been part of the reason). Reef struggled, could not finish, got one of his turnovers. Think I may have been rooting for him to stay in there at some point to assure that we got this one in the L column.

GERALD WALLACE LOST TO EXPANSION -- and I've harped on this one before. We lost Gerald due to nothing more than lack of planning. The expansion draft was coming up, everybody knew that you would have to expose one veteran with a guaranteed contract, and we gave the guy that we should have exposed, Anthony Peeler, an opt out clause allowing him to leave us, and force us to expose somebody else. That somebody becoming Gerald, who this season only put up a cool 18.2pts (.502 .319 .694) 7.2rebs 2.6ast 2.0stl 1.0blk. Compare that to Ron: 18.8pts (.441 .357 .743) 6.5rebs 3.3ast 2.1stl 0.6blk. Might have been kind of handy to have around, no?

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The Gerald Wallace section is just inaccurate. The expansion rules did not state that you had to leave one veteran unprotected, they stated that you can only protect 8 players. If you have less than 8 under contract than you have to leave one veteran unprotected. However, we protected our core players with our spots. I know there was debate about leaving Webber unprotected, the reasoning being that an expansion team would probably not want to start a team with a 100+ million dollar player. However, they could have drafted Webber and traded him to a contender several months later. Considering we were an elite contender at the time, that would have been a stupid risk. For all the flak that people want to give the Kings for losing Wallace to expansion, imagine the uproar if the Kings had lost Webber in his prime as our team was making a series of title pushes, that would have been unforgivable.

In case you doubt the validity of my first statement:

"NBA Expansion Draft Player Selection

Each current NBA team can protect up to 8 players from its active, injured and suspended lists as of the last day of the season; provided that each current team must leave at least one player unprotected.

Unrestricted free agents and unsigned draft picks will not be eligible to be selected in the Expansion Draft. So, current NBA teams do not protect any unrestricted free agents or unsigned draft picks. The 8 players they protect will be players signed to contracts, or restricted free agents. Restricted free agents are eligible to be selected.

If a current NBA team's restricted free agent is selected by the NBA expansion team in the expansion draft, that player will become an unrestricted free agent, eligible to be signed by any team (including the expansion team) other than his prior team.

Charlotte, the NBA expansion team, has the option to select one (and only one) player from each of the 29 current teams. Charlotte must select one player from at least 14 teams."

http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-expansion-rules.shtml
 
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The Gerald Wallace section is just inaccurate. The expansion rules did not state that you had to leave one veteran unprotected, they stated that you can only protect 8 players. If you have less than 8 under contract than you have to leave one veteran unprotected. However, we protected our core players with our spots. I know there was debate about leaving Webber unprotected, the reasoning being that an expansion team would probably not want to start a team with a 100+ million dollar player. However, they could have drafted Webber and traded him to a contender several months later. Considering we were an elite contender at the time, that would have been a stupid risk. For all the flak that people want to give the Kings for losing Wallace to expansion, imagine the uproar if the Kings had lost Webber in his prime as our team was making a series of title pushes, that would have been unforgivable.

In case you doubt the validity of my first statement:

"NBA Expansion Draft Player Selection

Each current NBA team can protect up to 8 players from its active, injured and suspended lists as of the last day of the season; provided that each current team must leave at least one player unprotected.

Unrestricted free agents and unsigned draft picks will not be eligible to be selected in the Expansion Draft. So, current NBA teams do not protect any unrestricted free agents or unsigned draft picks. The 8 players they protect will be players signed to contracts, or restricted free agents. Restricted free agents are eligible to be selected.

If a current NBA team's restricted free agent is selected by the NBA expansion team in the expansion draft, that player will become an unrestricted free agent, eligible to be signed by any team (including the expansion team) other than his prior team.

Charlotte, the NBA expansion team, has the option to select one (and only one) player from each of the 29 current teams. Charlotte must select one player from at least 14 teams."

http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-expansion-rules.shtml
Problem is that someone should have planned for this the season BEFORE the expansion draft. Everyone knew it was coming, so keep Peeler signed to a contract that would allow him to be the sacrificial lamb, not Wallace.
 

Bricklayer

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In case you doubt the validity of my first statement:

"NBA Expansion Draft Player Selection

Each current NBA team can protect up to 8 players from its active, injured and suspended lists as of the last day of the season; provided that each current team must leave at least one player unprotected.

Not only do I doubt it, I think you need to reread it.

Here was the situation: you could protect up to 8. But REGARDLESS of how many you wanted to protect, SOMEBODY off your roster had to be left available. That's what the "provided that each current team must leave at least one player unprotected" meant.

So, if you had only 3 guys under contract, you could onyl protect 2 of them, because regardless of anything else, at least one player from each team HAD to be exposed. On the other hand, if you had 12 guys under contract, you could only protect 8 of the 12, and then 4 guys would be exposed.

Our problem was with the first clause, the MUST leave one guy exposed bit. Our 8 under contract were Chris, Brad, Peja, Doug, Mike, Bobby, Darius and Gerald. But, under the rules of the drat, we still had to leave at least one guy available. We could not protect all 8 if that meant we had noboyd to expose. So we had to expose Gerald even though that meant we only had 7 protected. If we had had Peeler signed to a guaranteed secodn year, we could have exposed him, still protected our 8 (including Gerald) and...well, history might have been a little different.
 
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Problem is that someone should have planned for this the season BEFORE the expansion draft. Everyone knew it was coming, so keep Peeler signed to a contract that would allow him to be the sacrificial lamb, not Wallace.

Not true, because the Kings already had 8 core players they were protecting, even if Peeler was signed to a contract both Peeler and Wallace would have been exposed and the Bobcats would have chosen Wallace still. So we're in the same situation, except we still have Peeler under contract.
 
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The most incredible post I've read this year, sums up exactly what needs to be said. What will come of this summer I wonder?
 

VF21

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Not true, because the Kings already had 8 core players they were protecting, even if Peeler was signed to a contract both Peeler and Wallace would have been exposed and the Bobcats would have chosen Wallace still. So we're in the same situation, except we still have Peeler under contract.
Wrong. Had Peeler's contract been different we would have had NINE players under contract (Chris, Brad, Peja, Doug, Mike, Bobby, Darius, Gerald and Peeler) of which we could only protect 8. Under those circumstances, it could have been Peeler who was left exposed, not Wallace.
 
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Wrong. Had Peeler's contract been different we would have had NINE players under contract (Chris, Brad, Peja, Doug, Mike, Bobby, Darius, Gerald and Peeler) of which we could only protect 8. Under those circumstances, it could have been Peeler who was left exposed, not Wallace.
Just a hypothetical question: why not expose Songaila? He wasn't too useful in his first year anyway, especially after Webb got back, and was allowed to walk after the second one.

Besides he would have become one of main players in Charlotte, and I absolutely wouldn't mind that.
 

VF21

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Just a hypothetical question: why not expose Songaila? He wasn't too useful in his first year anyway, especially after Webb got back, and was allowed to walk after the second one.

Besides he would have become one of main players in Charlotte, and I absolutely wouldn't mind that.
There was as lot of hope that Darius would be a valuable back-up at the 4/5. It just didn't work out...
 
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i'm normally the first one to get depressed over such things. but really. this thread makes me happy that we had it so great. those were some good times. and great people.
 
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Problem is that someone should have planned for this the season BEFORE the expansion draft. Everyone knew it was coming, so keep Peeler signed to a contract that would allow him to be the sacrificial lamb, not Wallace.
Maybe Peeler's agent knew this situation before the year, and insisted on the contract being structured in such a way that he wouldn't be exposed in the expansion draft?
 
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Maybe Peeler's agent knew this situation before the year, and insisted on the contract being structured in such a way that he wouldn't be exposed in the expansion draft?
Maybe. But there was nothing to stop us from signing Funderburke (or anyone else, for that matter) at minimum for a couple of years, exposing them, and waiving them if they weren't taken. Something like that would have been done if (a) Wallace's potential was appreciated, and (b) the management/owners weren't hell-bent on cost cutting. $800K and you'd save your player. I think they just didn't believe in Wallace, or he would have gotten way more play time than he did.
 
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